tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post2055483385487851177..comments2024-02-04T19:08:45.476+00:00Comments on CRISTOBELL UNDECIDED: THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM - GONCALO AMARAL'S THEORYRosalinda Huttonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-45977583240755865432019-03-22T23:38:55.323+00:002019-03-22T23:38:55.323+00:00I also believe in GA's theory. I do have a que...I also believe in GA's theory. I do have a question that I would like to ask someone who might know the answer; why Gerry and Kate never had to go through a lie detector questioning process? I think in my opinion that would be a major detour on all this mess. Thank youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-48597451553602536732018-05-06T20:28:45.765+01:002018-05-06T20:28:45.765+01:00John, can you provide any evidence to support the ...John, can you provide any evidence to support the theory that Madeleine was stolen from her bed by people or persons unknown? Without any evidence this is simply an opinion. The opinion of the parents. As you know, in cases where children disappear mysteriously in the majority of cases those responsible are family, friends or those well known to the child and trusted. I would be interested in seeing any evidence at all that the Madeleine McCann case is any different to the statistical norm in such cases. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-84180005677611821222018-03-20T19:28:50.732+00:002018-03-20T19:28:50.732+00:00''The McCanns thought if they had GA et al...''The McCanns thought if they had GA et al accused of brutality in another case, they could accuse him of the same. ''<br /><br /><br />How can you presume to know the private thoughts of somebody else ? Especially of someone you don't have a personal relationship with ? Nobody has accused Amaral of Brutality in the McCann case, only of making mistakes.He has said he and his team made mistakes early on too. Early on is the most crucial stage by the way. Who said the McCanns wanted the public to be up in arms about the Cipriano case ? The potuguese public had already been up in arms about it.<br /><br /><br />''Finally, there is nothing to support your statement that the two police forces have dismissed GA's theory.''<br /><br /><br />As diverse and imaginative the theories of Amaral are, they share a common destination ; the McCanns guilt of at least one serious crime.The police forces stating that they are not treating them as suspects supports the theory of them dismissing them.<br /><br /><br />''DCI Redwood said Madeleine may have died in the apartment,''<br /><br /><br />Which by definition ( 'may') says she may not have. The most significant aspect of that statement is the timing. It wasn't made days, weeks, or months later.It was made years later. By that time it was unrealsistic to rule out a death as an unpleasant alternative to an abduction alone.<br /><br /><br />''Like it or not the libel actions do have an effect, for one thing they influence public opinion''<br /><br /><br />What effect has it had on the investigation ? It doesn't take a master of mass hypnosis to influence the opinion of a public that believes everything they read in tabloids or on Twitter.<br /><br /><br /><br />'' Unfortunately, it turned public opinion against them. They failed to prove GA a liar, and they failed to have his theory banned.''<br /><br /><br />That sort of supports what I just said. They haven't proved GA a liar. But, eleven years on, Madeleine's whereabouts and fate are unknown. As long as that remains the case, he has failed to prove he was telling the truth. Nothing supports him. <br /><br /><br />''they would have used their win as proof that they were not involved in Madeleine's disappearance, but they didn't.''<br /><br /><br />That's only an opinion. An alternative opinion is that they would have used it as proof that Amaral was defaming them and slandering them and causing them undue alarm and distress. It wouldn't have stopped suspcion or the investigation as there are enough members of the public and media who can't accept that the boring reality of an abduction holds more weight than the drmatic conspiuracy theory of the parents and tapas gang were behind the death of a child.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-70076502087122772832018-03-20T18:02:24.645+00:002018-03-20T18:02:24.645+00:00Leonor Cipriano's lawyer also worked for the M...Leonor Cipriano's lawyer also worked for the McCanns, and the lies she told about the police were quickly uncovered and she had her sentence increased. The McCanns thought if they had GA et al accused of brutality in another case, they could accuse him of the same. The McCanns wanted the public to be up in arms about the Cipriano case, but it didn't happen. Joana was an abused, 'at risk' child, the mother and brother confessed, the case had no bearing on Madeleine's disappearance whatsoever.<br /><br />Finally, there is nothing to support your statement that the two police forces have dismissed GA's theory. The opposite in face, DCI Redwood said Madeleine may have died in the apartment, and the digging in PDL pointed suspicion at the McCanns. <br /><br />Like it or not the libel actions do have an effect, for one thing they influence public opinion. If they didn't then there was no point in the McCanns pursuing them.<br /><br />Unfortunately, it turned public opinion against them. They failed to prove GA a liar, and they failed to have his theory banned. If the McCanns had won, they would have used their win as proof that they were not involved in Madeleine's disappearance, but they didn't. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-87880266695359497562018-03-20T17:41:10.042+00:002018-03-20T17:41:10.042+00:00So pointing out that dusty old libel laws from the...So pointing out that dusty old libel laws from the 18th and 19th century don't work in this age of internet and information, is narcissism. <br /><br />I can see why you are often confused. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-57171215692910748352018-03-20T15:37:00.209+00:002018-03-20T15:37:00.209+00:00''I'm not sure how narcissism connects...''I'm not sure how narcissism connects to my views on censorship''<br /><br />In your intellectual vanity,rather than admit you could actually be wrong about something, you'd rather put the law in the dock and argue that it's out of date .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-36731177767932384912018-03-20T15:30:03.972+00:002018-03-20T15:30:03.972+00:00Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton20 March 2018 at 11:49...Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton20 March 2018 at 11:49 <br /><br />''Goncalo's theory is not only floating, it is the last theory still standing, but kudos at your attempt to make it look forgotten.''<br /><br />I didn't say it's forgotten, I said the police have dismissed it and that the only reason it appears to float is because the antis keep dragging it to the surface.<br /><br /><br />''The case of Joana Cipriano has no bearing on the case of Madeleine. GA was an experienced homicide, the case was cut and dried,''<br /><br /><br />I never said the cases were related.They are /were independent of each other. The only thing that linked them was that Amaral was leading both investigations.The case was far from cut and dried before the confession.It was initially an abduction.The mother said she had a confession beaten out of her and the media printed photogrpahs of her battered face.It put the PJ and Amaral under suspicion and the media /public spotlight.The court of public opinion wanted the heads of the PJ.The PJ and Amrala wouldn't be human if they didn't feel anger or fear and disgust.It eventually transpired that she had lied.But it isn't unreasonable to suppose that experience would leave an efffect on the officers and armed them for the future. The case wasn't cut and dried until the confessions.But Amaral was caught falsifying evidence and was punished.In a t and dried case, the falsifying of evidence isn't required.<br /><br /><br />''So all the digging was part of an elaborate plot by SY to make the public hate the McCanns? Hmm. Not convinced.''<br /><br /><br />With or without Bernard Cribbens, they are yet to find a thing.I'm convinced.<br /><br /><br />''You say he did all his theorising before the dogs came on the scene. If true that just makes him all the more perceptive''<br /><br /><br />There was nothing to perceive.He was suspicious and imgainative.he should have treated it as a blank slate and then started chalking actual details and evidence on it as they turned up or occurred to him.<br /><br /><br />''In your rage, you have again got everything about face. Calm down. Think for a moment, 'does this make sense' before you hit send.''<br /><br /><br />I don't think you should accuse doubters who offer reasoned argument asbeing full of rage.It doesn't work.Does it make sense ? Of course it does. It makes far more sense tham discussing non existant evidence or facial expressions and throw away incriminating words.Why wasn't Amaral left to continue by his superiors ?<br /><br /><br />The refeences to the libel actions have nothing at all to do with a criminal trial or prosecution. The opinions of the two police forces state the parents are not suspected of comitting a crime. If the decisions of the courts had any weight, they'd be used as evidence by the prosecution following arrests.One judge reshaped the lawas as they'd been set out and adhered to by previous judges.The book is allowed in certain countries. Not in those who recognise slander, libel and defamation as crimes.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-37172093794143276522018-03-20T11:49:47.058+00:002018-03-20T11:49:47.058+00:00Goncalo's theory is not only floating, it is t...Goncalo's theory is not only floating, it is the last theory still standing, but kudos at your attempt to make it look forgotten. <br /><br />The case of Joana Cipriano has no bearing on the case of Madeleine. GA was an experienced homicide, the case was cut and dried, the mother and brother confessed, and Leonor Cipriano had extra time added to her sentence for perjury. Are surgeons haunted by previous operations? Or do they just get on with the job. Same applies to detectives.<br /><br />I thought for a moment you were going to burst into that old sixties classic 'digging an'ole', the subliminal message was just the same. So all the digging was part of an elaborate plot by SY to make the public hate the McCanns? Hmm. Not convinced.<br /><br />Err, he's a detective, it's his job to theorise. You are taking random statements and sneering at them, that isn't finding holes in them, you haven't disproved anything. <br /><br />You say he did all his theorising before the dogs came on the scene. If true that just makes him all the more perceptive. In your rage, you have again got everything about face. Calm down. Think for a moment, 'does this make sense' before you hit send.<br /><br />How far would GA be sunk if he voiced his theories in a witness box? Did you miss the last 10 years of libel actions? GA won, conclusively, in the 3 highest Courts in Portugal. Far from being sunk, GA's theory is upheld. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-81158519866058560782018-03-20T02:36:20.733+00:002018-03-20T02:36:20.733+00:00''I'd love to read these so called ...''I'd love to read these so called 'holes in GA theory', why don't you post them?''<br /><br />If no holes existed in his theories at least one would still be floating.But that's not the case.They only see the horizon when the online antis dive deep and drag them back up for air. I told you his first mistake was letting the Cipriano demons haunt his clarity and judgement but you won't have it.You call it 'embarrasingly weak'' but don't say why you think it.But, I'm a gentleman when need be and i'll post them shortly.<br /><br /><br />''and a lot has happened since. For instance, SY are now involved and they have been digging in PDL''<br /><br /><br />Yes, that looks impressive. It's to maintain the illusion and keep the crowd interested and to keep them believing it's ongoing. What's the population of PDL ? A thousand ? In eleven years there should be so many holes that the public need hover boards to get about.They know they're just digging holes.Randomly digging holes.Then filling them back in hopefully.<br /><br /><br />The involvement of SY /OG hasn't changed anything.Logic says the child, even if she has been killed( which hasn't been stated offline other than it being another unpleasant scenario that has to be entertained as a possibility), wouldn't be placed in any shallow - or even deep - makeshift grave close to where she was taken from or killed.Why go to such elaborate measures to conceal the crime only to leave the body of evidence under their noses ?But the digging news fooled you and many.The only thing that would fool me is them finding something.<br /><br /><br /> Amaral said she was likely to have been cremated secretly didn't he ? In the coffin of a British woman. Which begs the question of the supposed DNA /blood. cadaver odour turning up in a car aquired weeks later. Didn't he say she could be down one of several wells ? Does he mean her ashes ?He took the close relationship the McCanns had with the local Padre and his allowing them access to pray in their own time and letting them have keys to the chapel and he turned it into a scenario.He believed it was credible.Then he believed it was credible enough to be true.Then he believed it was the truth -ergo the parents , if not guilty of murder, were guilty of manslaughter and definitely guilty of getting rid of the evidence( their child).All that theorising before collecting a scrap of evidence.Then he blamed Military Intelligence of assisting in a cover up without providing evidence and implied the FSS had tampered with evidence .Again, a suspicion.If you think his theories have no holes ask yourself how fast they'd be sunk if he voiced all of that on the witness stand and failed to provide an iota of evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-37609589140428041582018-03-19T19:01:32.167+00:002018-03-19T19:01:32.167+00:00You didn't mention any holes in GA's theor...You didn't mention any holes in GA's theories, you were attacking him personally as you always do. I'd love to read these so called 'holes in GA theory', why don't you post them? Please do tell us where he went so badly wrong? <br /><br />Meanwhile, GA hasn't been involved in the investigations since 2007, and a lot has happened since. For instance, SY are now involved and they have been digging in PDL. The McCanns battle with GA is over, they lost. They have not convinced the Courts or the public that GA is somehow to blame for Madeleine's loss. Their daughter is still missing, that should be their priority. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-59074412961925538652018-03-19T18:38:54.878+00:002018-03-19T18:38:54.878+00:00I can see why you want to hang onto the old slap a...I can see why you want to hang onto the old slap around the face with a silk glove and pistols a dawn approach, but it's out of place in the 21st century.<br /><br />In case you haven't noticed there has been an information and communication revolution, anyone and everyone now has a voice, it is no longer logistically possible to gag someone with a Court Order.<br /><br />I'm not sure how narcissism connects to my views on censorship, I am merely pointing out that technology has overtaken the law. Secrets can go viral with moments, and all the legislation in the world won't stop it. The gagging laws that applied in the last century are not workable on the internet. Even when Gerry and Kate were able to ban GA's book, it was still available online - and in English. <br /><br />I'm a liberal by the way, I'm not trying to inflict anything on anyone, I'm merely voicing an opinion.Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-18319403663530394582018-03-19T17:07:48.123+00:002018-03-19T17:07:48.123+00:00Friday 2 March 2018
(MEDIA MONITORING - MCCANN ME...Friday 2 March 2018<br /><br />(MEDIA MONITORING - MCCANN MEAN GIRLS)<br /><br />Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton4 March 2018 at 11:05<br /><br />''you still don't seem to comprehend just how irrational your hatred of Goncalo Amaral is...Any victory against him won't mean anything to anyone other than themselves. The world has moved on. ''<br /><br />Saturday, 17 March 2018<br /><br />(THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM - GONCALO AMARAL'S THEORY)<br />( part 1 ?)<br /><br /><br />I thought the world had moved on.Maybe you could clarify for future reference.Is it a case of the world has moved on when somebody mentions the holes in Amaral's performance and theories but fine if it's to reference them with the intention of blackening opinion agains the McCann parents ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-68979487931274474502018-03-19T17:03:54.993+00:002018-03-19T17:03:54.993+00:00'' I cannot believe that laws exist that s...'' I cannot believe that laws exist that suppress the other side of the story, and deeply ashamed that the UK still practices them. ''<br /><br />''As for slander and defamation, it sounds so last century''<br /><br />Yes, how dare they refuse to abolish defamation, slander and libel when you have a crime to invent (then solve).<br />What is it with you and the crusade to see a reformation of the legal system so you can simplify things you don't understand ? It has to be the height of narcissism to blame 'out dated' or 'draconian' laws rather than admit that your own bizarre views on controversial crimes are off the scale of credibility.Yet, nobody is as fast as you to call anyone who exposes your strange ideas as wrong, or corrects you, a narcissist. That too is narcissistic.<br /><br /><br />Yet again, Ros unveils more laws we need taken away.Why ? Because they make sense and, therefore, ruin her latest crackpot theories. Be told, everyone, it's never Ros that's wrong or slightly mad, it's the law.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-12697886805429929242018-03-19T16:57:16.166+00:002018-03-19T16:57:16.166+00:00Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton18 March 2018 at 12:14...Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton18 March 2018 at 12:14<br /><br />'Would you leave the body of a precious child laying on the floor?'.<br /><br />How about, would you leave the body of a precious child in the wardrobe for 3 days and carry on your holiday as if nothing had happened?''<br /><br />How about an obvious 'no' to both silly ideas. What happened to you not claimimg to have any idea what happened to the little girl, Ros ? Was that another lie ? Or is it coincidence that the only theory that excites you into discussing it is her being dead and the parents and friends being well aware of it ? <br /><br />''Goncalo Amaral's theory is based on what the dogs indicated''<br /><br />Goncalo Amaral's theory only appeals to one section and that's the internet bloodhounds with a need for a salacious story to enliven their surfing. Unless of course the police and Co have been scrutinising it for 11 years.<br /><br /> ''Not returning for a reconstruction has left them in limbo for 10+ years.''<br /><br />Do you seriously think they think that ? Limbo ? It's left them free to get on with life.Nothing some whacky virtual crime novel book club thinks has or will change that.If the parents have been cleared by the police forces investigating the case then what have they to worry about ?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-31608227441703575922018-03-19T07:46:26.773+00:002018-03-19T07:46:26.773+00:00"Kate went to get Madeleine from the Tapas Ba..."Kate went to get Madeleine from the Tapas Bar area and according to what I remember she was wearing sporting clothes and I assumed that she was practicing some form of athletics. It was around 15h25/18h00. I think that Gerry was playing tennis."<br /><br />http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm<br /><br />---------------<br /><br />Kate McCann ('madeleine):<br /><br />"I had finished my run by five-thirty at the Tapas area, where I found Madeleine and the twins already having their tea with Gerry."<br /><br />According to Catriona Baker, Gerry was playing tennis.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-63028118943906246862018-03-19T00:19:59.341+00:002018-03-19T00:19:59.341+00:00Anonymous 18 March 2018 at 11:09 wrote: "Ther...Anonymous 18 March 2018 at 11:09 wrote: "There are major problems with Amaral's theory. For cadaver odour to be present in the apartment, the body would have to have lain in situ for at least two hours. That would be presumably the site of the 'accident' which Amaral gives as between the sofa and the wall. If the 'accident' happened between 'High Tea' and the McCanns leaving the apartment around 7.30 for the Tapas Bar, the timing and the logistics just cannot add up. Would you leave the body of a precious child laying on the floor? He may well have been right if the event took place on an earlier night, but that then brings in the crèche forging as being a possibility which then opens up a whole new scenario".<br /><br />Well, exactly. Amaral did so much right, but made an error by trusting that Cat Baker (and the McCanns) were telling the truth about the so-called High Tea. Without a shadow of a doubt, she helped to 'prove' that Maddie was still alive that very evening. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-3135045974148462102018-03-18T14:12:44.691+00:002018-03-18T14:12:44.691+00:00Anonymous at 12:28
From your link:
"One for...Anonymous at 12:28<br /><br />From your link:<br /><br />"One former Scotland Yard dog handler talking about the McCann case hypothesized that the scent wouldn't last more than a month."<br /><br />---------------<br /><br />'The police are also relying on the reaction of "cadaver dogs" trained to react to the scent of a corpse. One is said to have "smelled death" in the hire car and the apartment. Kate McCann's work as a doctor, in which she handles corpses, could mean she had slight traces of such odours on her clothing.'<br /><br />https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1562818/Questions-over-Maddy-McCann-blood-traces.html<br /><br />--------------<br /><br />"the scent wouldn't last more than a month."<br /><br />"slight traces of such odours on her clothing."<br /><br />What corpse did Kate McCann handle in Portugal?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-4145734749062046182018-03-18T13:58:51.484+00:002018-03-18T13:58:51.484+00:0011:09
Not "for at least two hours".
No...11:09<br /><br />Not "for at least two hours".<br /><br />Not "about 7.30"<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-30250257307099845552018-03-18T13:22:54.397+00:002018-03-18T13:22:54.397+00:00https://www.publico.pt/2013/10/24/sociedade/notici...https://www.publico.pt/2013/10/24/sociedade/noticia/ministerio-publico-reabre-processo-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie-1610207<br /><br />The reanalysis of the case returns to focus the investigation on the kidnapping thesis, the main line followed by Scotland Yard, who also opened an investigation into the disappearance of Maddie. The PJ do Porto team was convinced of this thesis in view of the careful observation of all the information in the process. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-6233569679448990752018-03-18T12:58:15.883+00:002018-03-18T12:58:15.883+00:00I think we can safely trust a cadaver dog even wit...I think we can safely trust a cadaver dog even without the presence of a body. What we CAN'T trust is a devious establishment with MI6 connections. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-8753352360001618412018-03-18T12:55:54.807+00:002018-03-18T12:55:54.807+00:00Sorry but you're wrong. Very wrong. Amaral'...Sorry but you're wrong. Very wrong. Amaral's theory spoke of Madeleine falling in between the sofa and wall having tried to see her father who was speaking to 'Jez' outside the apartment. We know this cannot fit in with odour development and logistics. If the McCanns left their DEAD daughter inside the apartment for any length of time then you HAVE to go with crèche record tampering. As I said this introduces a completely different scenario.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-17261980744984623172018-03-18T12:50:35.756+00:002018-03-18T12:50:35.756+00:00How embarrassing is this letter to the AG?
Very ...How embarrassing is this letter to the AG? <br /><br />Very embarrassing, as the Ministerio Publico and Judiciaria have available to them, the whole picture.<br />What does this group of desperados have? <br />Assumptions, distortion of facts available and they don't have like many of us Mrs.Smith statement to police.<br />A bright journalist from Ireland obtained more or less, Mrs Smith account, good for her keeping some of it to herself <br />Let's allow Judiciaria to do it's job<br /><br />Isabelle MAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-52086183237956537362018-03-18T12:49:20.632+00:002018-03-18T12:49:20.632+00:0012:28
Yes, I can. (I haven't checked your li...12:28<br /><br />Yes, I can. (I haven't checked your link yet.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-32036864035571546872018-03-18T12:42:43.104+00:002018-03-18T12:42:43.104+00:00who's theory is that then ? - that Madelei...who's theory is that then ? - that Madeleine died just before the McCanns went out for the evening ? <br /><br />Not Amaral's - he thinks the missing child died some time 'during' the parents absence, and that on discovering the tragic event the parents hurriedly hid the body and concocted a fake abduction plan ( fearing the consequences of a negligent homicide charge perhaps ) <br /><br />He believes the body was retrieved from it's initial hiding place at some point later and disposed of more thoroughly. <br /><br />The theory makes sense of the cadaver dog alerts and the window being opened from the inside ( staging ). All in all, it is a logical thesis and I don't see why it is ridiculed in some quarters as if he has claimed something outrageously inconceivable. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-35267513834622856262018-03-18T12:28:43.188+00:002018-03-18T12:28:43.188+00:00can you trust a cadaver dog if there is no body
h...can you trust a cadaver dog if there is no body<br /><br />http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2007/09/scent_of_a_dead_woman.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com