tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post447934033755529665..comments2024-02-04T19:08:45.476+00:00Comments on CRISTOBELL UNDECIDED: CSA Inquiry - its the Economy StupidRosalinda Huttonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-54765367890247961882015-03-02T00:49:04.038+00:002015-03-02T00:49:04.038+00:00The video you want to direct us to
has to be paid...The video you want to direct us to<br /><br />has to be paid for<br /><br />Care to explain your motives?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-57470927899576107102015-03-01T21:29:30.495+00:002015-03-01T21:29:30.495+00:00Opportunist maybe?Opportunist maybe?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-65161459411818807942015-03-01T21:06:15.082+00:002015-03-01T21:06:15.082+00:00Victim (calming compensation) or not? Victim (calming compensation) or not? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-78569140214688975982015-03-01T20:46:50.291+00:002015-03-01T20:46:50.291+00:00Nah, watched the New York Times video instead
Ste...Nah, watched the New York Times video instead<br /><br />Stella got $ 650.000 for spilling the coffee over herself <br /><br />No McDonalds employee - super heated the beverage and/or threw it into her lap.<br /><br />Personal responsibility - a rare thing it appears. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-13403308316425045062015-03-01T20:08:56.004+00:002015-03-01T20:08:56.004+00:00Well worth watching a Youtube documentary called &...Well worth watching a Youtube documentary called "Hot Coffee" - 'some daft person', my arse! McDonald's were grossly negligent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-91847530505022955482015-03-01T19:59:56.722+00:002015-03-01T19:59:56.722+00:00I can't believe how insensitive some of the co...I can't believe how insensitive some of the comments have been on this subject. No compassion whatsoever for the poor children that suffered at the hands of their so-called carers, I doubt if they would have these opinions if the same had happened to them. It's alright saying I would have done this, and that, but challenging authority when you're a child is scary, it's a case of your word, against theirs, who is going to believe the child over their sadistic carer's. <br /><br />I don't suppose even a punishment book would have been much good either, were they (the nuns) would enter what punishment had been given, and why, then they could have been inspected say every month by someone independent, and the children concerned spoken to so they could give their account of the punishment that was metered out. But I suppose even that idea is open to abuse. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-35674093891620110512015-03-01T19:07:10.830+00:002015-03-01T19:07:10.830+00:00good point, well made
but hand on heart, if a ...good point, well made<br /><br />but hand on heart, if a 'victim' gets the offer of £ 10.000 pounds worth of psychotherapy treatment - or a cheque to the same value to spend on what they like.<br /><br />Which option would most 'victims' choose? <br /><br />That's why equating monetary gain with trauma - cheapens any debate <br />about any 'victimhood'.<br /><br />It's the compo/no win no fee culture that has infested these isles - ever since some daft person in Des Moines - or wherever - burnt her hand with<br />a McDonald's coffee some 2 decades ago. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-68997829955567857602015-03-01T17:32:57.808+00:002015-03-01T17:32:57.808+00:00Nope - I don't work through the night analysin...Nope - I don't work through the night analysing your blog entries - I have much better things to do at night.<br /><br /> It is quite easy for someone with a working memory to remember what you post from day to day.<br /><br />I never accused you of being a criminal - all I did was quote two posts from you.<br /><br />So which is it - are you a victim or not? (remember a five figure sum may depend on your reply)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-9725059712388259242015-03-01T13:28:09.136+00:002015-03-01T13:28:09.136+00:00Wow, I am guessing you were an extremely confident...Wow, I am guessing you were an extremely confident and assertive child anon 12.30. In my experience, under the influence of extreme authority in that day and age, kids did not speak up against it. Also kids are often very protective of their parents and would rather suffer than cause their parents to. You seem to judge such a child's actions harshly through the eyes of an adult and I am curious as to what motivates your criticism here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-66975965444010241092015-03-01T13:26:58.470+00:002015-03-01T13:26:58.470+00:00So everything that went on was the fault of the 12...So everything that went on was the fault of the 12 year old me?<br /><br />Have you ever lived in fear 12:30? Woken up each day wondering what new terrors those who had care of you, had in store? I assume that you haven't, happily it not something most children have to endure. And you forget that we were CHILDREN, we did not have the maturity or understanding to know what to do about it. The only thing we knew for certain was that 'telling' would bring further punishments, not only for ourselves but for ourselves and for the little ones. If you read my book you will see what happened when I did 'tell' and if you read the court files, you will see that my 'social worker' describes me as having become sullen, withdrawn and unwilling to say what was wrong.<br /><br />As for not speaking out after my father took us out of the convent. I loved my dad dearly, but he suffered from chronic depression throughout his life. I would never have hurt him by revealing what had happened to us while we were care, and it would have hurt him, because knowing that he had not been able to protect his kids, would have killed him. When I left the convent, I vowed that I would bring those creeps to justice, but I would not do it within my beloved father's lifetime. I don't regret that, and I don't care if you believe it.<br /><br />Like many other survivors I was trying to live a 'normal' life, by burying the pain of what happened, I didn't want my friends, colleagues and employers to know about my 'shameful' past. And survivors are left with a deep sense of shame that would take hundreds of thousands of words to explain to people like yourself. <br /><br />You have hit a raw spot. I am ashamed that I didn't tell, and for most of my adult life I was haunted by that guilt, I blamed myself far more than you do. But after years of study, research and navel gazing, I have accepted that I powerless and I have forgiven myself. <br /><br />I have also accepted that there will always be people like yourself who will try to lay the blame for these atrocities at the door of the victims/survivors. People who do not have the compassion or the intelligence to understand what it is like to live in fear and to feel powerless. <br /><br />As the poster above you so helpfully pointed, money can go a long way to putting right, those unforgiveable wrongs. The constant denials that these things happened merely adds to the pain of the survivors, it rubs salt into the wounds.<br /><br />Acknowledgement that these crimes occurred, acceptance of liability and financial compensation is the only practical and humane solution if the CSA Inquiry is ever to reach a conclusion and further abuses prevented. If 'institutions' know that they will be hit in the pocket if they allow their staff to abuse the vulnerable people in their care, then the standard of care will rise.<br /><br />As long as the 'delicate' subject of money is avoided (and who's interests is that in?), then the CSA Inquiry will drag on into the next century. The answer to EVERY question is money. Payments will not be made until cases are proved. Ergo, payments will not be made ever, because proving 40+ year old cases is nigh on impossible. <br /><br />The fear of the 'wrong' people getting pay outs, dominates the entire proceedings, it takes precedence over bringing the criminals to justice and repairing the damage. In order to support the denial that these atrocities occurred, the survivors are put on trial and crushed, it contains the secrets. <br /><br />The entire ideology of the CSA Inquiry, needs to be questioned, what is its purpose and who's side is it on?<br />Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-78504972799013274562015-03-01T12:30:16.622+00:002015-03-01T12:30:16.622+00:00But you had the opportunity to do something in you...But you had the opportunity to do something in your own small way when you were living at the orphanage. You had loving parents who regularly visited you, you COULD have told them. Not waited 40 odd years when you claims are so much more difficult to prove.<br /><br />How old did you say you was, 11-14? You were not a small child, you knew what was happening was wrong, you had a loving family network to support you and all those other little suffering children at the orphanage to back you up but you didn't do a thing, not even after you left when still you could have spoken out and maybe made a difference.<br /><br />You can't represent all victims of institutionalized abuse because you have no proof, any more than the court had when you went to trial. It always boils down to money, 'my auntie died of natural causes while a patient in bedlam, how can I blame it on Savile and screw 'em for a few million quid'? It's become a daily occurrence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-46932377211190992682015-03-01T11:17:45.795+00:002015-03-01T11:17:45.795+00:00I dont see the problem with financial compensation...I dont see the problem with financial compensation which would be very useful in funding long term psychotherapy/counselling (unfortunately barely available on the nhs). This type of intervention is proven to assist those who have suffered from abusive relationships and help them come to terms with their life path since and currently.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-27081307519146770812015-03-01T10:50:07.518+00:002015-03-01T10:50:07.518+00:00You must work through the night looking for contra...You must work through the night looking for contradictions and inconsistencies in my work, kudos on the research and tenacity, even if it is a bit weird.<br /><br />I'm glad you brought this up. Let me explain to you how compensating the victims of historic abuse works. The majority of victims are too broken, and too damaged to go through 5 years of interrogation and litigation, not to mention a gruelling 3 day trial (1-2 days in the 'dock') dedicated to proving they (and their families) are lying, low life toe rags. Those who can survive all that, are deemed not damaged enough. <br /><br />Play with semantics all you wish, I am no longer 'in the dock', and just in case you missed it, I am not the criminal. And just for clarity, the criminals were the ones brutalising the children in their care, not the children who were abused.Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-85112903975093046072015-03-01T10:28:51.943+00:002015-03-01T10:28:51.943+00:00Oh shock horror, I've skipped all the bullshit...Oh shock horror, I've skipped all the bullshit, and got straight to the point! How dare I eh, there was at least another 10 years worth of prevaricating left.<br /><br />Of course its about the 'compo', did you think it was just about your entertainment? Thousands of lives were wrecked by these monsters who were employed by the Catholic Church and the Local Authorities. They can't give the survivors their childhood back, but they can apologise and they can do something to repair the damage, and improve their lives now. Whatever sum is quantified, will be but a drop in the ocean compared to the lives that were lost, and those that were never lived. <br /><br />I'm curious as to what you think it is all about? Whilst the crime and punishment aspect may draw the crowds, you seem to forget that real human beings are involved, and their lives have been devastated. Many of our friends and siblings are not here now because of the horrendous cruelty they suffered whilst in the care of the 'authorities'. <br /><br />Putting old men on trial and in prison might be an 'honourable' reason to have a CSA Inquiry and investigation, but it does nothing to repair the damage that has been done. <br /><br />You mention jumping sharks, and you sneer at the mention of 'compo'. In your world the rich and famous are entitled to hundreds of thousands, even millions, for hurt feelings and distress caused by harsh words, but God forbid ordinary people should be so tacky as to ask for cash apologies for being raped, abused and beaten as kids.Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-42369915291093792015-03-01T10:26:30.456+00:002015-03-01T10:26:30.456+00:00On 27 Feb you said:
"I don't consider my...On 27 Feb you said:<br /><br />"I don't consider myself to be a victim, I never have, that's coming from you. If I were a victim, I would not be here tearing your pathetic vitriol and accusations to pieces and I would not have the courage to state the truth in the face of so much opposition. I am no victim my friend, and you underestimate me if you think I am."<br /><br />Today you say<br /><br />" And in this instance I will use the word victims., because they, and indeed I, were victims of the 'don't spare the lash' ideology that prevailed at the time."<br /><br />and you want compensation. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-79004644999685736122015-03-01T01:50:38.411+00:002015-03-01T01:50:38.411+00:00Cristobell, you've just jumped the shark
It h...Cristobell, you've just jumped the shark<br /><br />It has only ever been about the compo, hasn't it?<br /><br />How do I quantify my suffering into a 5 figure sum?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com