tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post5515463632850226323..comments2024-02-04T19:08:45.476+00:00Comments on CRISTOBELL UNDECIDED: THOSE PAEDOPHILE ACCUSATIONSRosalinda Huttonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-8443882478561038732016-12-03T00:52:39.941+00:002016-12-03T00:52:39.941+00:00I remember getting my mitts on my mum's makeup...I remember getting my mitts on my mum's makeup at 4, 19:54 and the starched white nurses caps she kept in her bottom drawer. She was not best pleased!<br /><br />Small children are very difficult to photograph because it is impossible to get them to keep still! It is quite common practice to grab a picture of them when they are being thoughtful or contemplative for a moment, unaware the camera is there. I don't see them as sad. <br /><br />As for the skirting board picture being weird, unnatural pose etc, seriously? I think any pose by a hyperactive 4 year old would appear unnatural, they just don't want to keep still. <br /><br />I'm sure Madeleine was into all types of play, she was clearly a bright, outgoing little girl, and by the sounds of it, a bit of a chatterbox. The kind of child who would spill the beans in a nanosecond. 3/4 is the age when the little darlings say things that make you want to fall through the floor. One friend (bit of a tart) had us in stiches when she told us her 4 year old when asked for a sentence using the word 'really', announced, quite proudly, my mum really likes men! <br /><br />Even with the very little we know about Madeleine, it was clear she was an outgoing, talkative, and on occasion, quite demanding child. That she was demanding tells me she was not abused. Abused kids are never demanding, because they know they will suffer for it. They are the opposite to Madeleine, they have little speech, because no-one takes the time to talk to them, they fear everything and they are visibly withdrawn. They are also not allowed to mix with others.<br /><br />Every day, the McCanns put Maddie into daycare without any qualms whatsoever about what she might say. Those abusing their kids keep them AWAY from strangers, they don't go to creches and kids clubs and they rarely go to school. <br /><br />I don't really know what you mean by objectified. I think they objectified Madeleine after she disappeared, but I can't see any signs of it before.<br /><br />Quite often, upwardly mobile, middle class professionals, have very little time for their kids. Many see hands on childcare as a chore, their time is too valuable. As cute and adorable as tiny tots are, they cannot compete with the buzzy of climbing that corporate ladder. In the McCann marriage, who's career and free time was more important? The wife desperate for a break from the kids, or the macho man displaying his peacock feather in front of an audience of peers? The competition in that house must have been ferocious. Kate married a dinosaur. <br />Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-13977041910374518112016-12-02T19:54:02.043+00:002016-12-02T19:54:02.043+00:00A child in makeup is no big deal.
But in the phot...A child in makeup is no big deal.<br /><br />But in the photo of Madeleine after she had allegedly raided her mother's make up box she looks very sad...not like a child who is having fun playing with makeup.<br /><br />I personally don't think that that many children of that age are interested in playing with make-up. I say this with quite a bit of experience of children of my own plus other children as I have worked with children a lot.<br /><br />Older girls - yes, definitely.<br /><br />But four year olds....not saying it is necessarily sinister per se but just that they are more into different types of play<br /><br />Face-painting is very popular with this age-group but that is an entirely different thing - creating a character on the child's face. <br /><br />Sorry but I think just as with the Ramsays the McCanns objectified their daughter,,<br /><br />The photos of Madeleine lying on the floor near the skirting board are weird because it is a very unnatural pose....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-39529730347175780962016-11-26T05:21:56.817+00:002016-11-26T05:21:56.817+00:00Correction: One would almost think...Correction: One would almost think...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-91804352399718732172016-11-25T11:49:14.039+00:002016-11-25T11:49:14.039+00:00Thank you 08:38, I've just taken a look at the...Thank you 08:38, I've just taken a look at the story. As yet there are not enough details to form an opinion, but from the scant information available it appears it all began with individual weirdos hooking up on the internet. <br /><br />To be honest I cannot understand the mentality of those paedophile hunters, both professional and amateur, who target paedophiles on the net. The reality is, their children are in far more danger from the people who know them and every time they step out of the front door. <br /><br />Stamping out paedophilia by targeting the 'users' of child porn on the net does not protect children. It would be like going after a drug gang by taking out the addicts. What I would like to see are headlines that state how many children were rescued. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-29941647777645670912016-11-25T11:25:04.570+00:002016-11-25T11:25:04.570+00:00It is of course possible that an almost 4 year old...It is of course possible that an almost 4 year old could have got out of bed and wandered out the unlocked patio doors NL. Perhaps even inevitable if she had woken up frightened and was looking for her parents.<br /><br />However, that open window negates the wandering argument. A small child could not have opened that window. Kate gave a very animated and indeed belligerent explanation of why Madeleine didn't just wander off in one of the Irish interviews. She explained in detail how Madeleine would have had to open the patio doors, close them after her, and then open the gates at the top and bottom of the concrete steps and again, close them after her. She seems oblivious to the fact that an abductor would have had to do exactly the same whilst fleeing with a child in his arms.<br /><br />The open window was 'evidence' of a stranger abduction. Except of course it wasn't, because experts quickly proved there was no break in and entry/exit from that window without leaving a trace was impossible. After one Court hearing, Kate backtracked and suggested the open window was a red herring. <br /><br />One of the more bizarre aspects of this missing child case was the fact that the parents and their family and friends made the search global rather than focussed on the area where she went missing. That was quite a feat and not something I recall ever seeing in a missing child case before. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-32516921348560906762016-11-25T08:09:31.410+00:002016-11-25T08:09:31.410+00:00One would almost they weren't looking for Made...One would almost they weren't looking for Madeleine but for paedophile gangs.<br /><br />In terms of marketing, it was a good ploy, according to the father of an abducted dead child.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-1299915130896436772016-11-25T07:30:58.070+00:002016-11-25T07:30:58.070+00:00Thank you for your reply Rosalinda.
“Kate did no...Thank you for your reply Rosalinda. <br /><br />“Kate did not have the hope that any mother would have had, that her child had wandered.” <br /><br />But then why did Kate ask Fiona what her thoughts were regarding locking?<br /><br />“...she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit..."<br /><br />http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm<br /><br />As for their European tour, as you say bizarre. I remember one of the comments on the footage of the McCanns in Amsterdam, June 7th, 2007:<br /><br />“So they went to Amsterdam showing her pyjamas, because they think she was probably there in the Netherlands walking around in her pyjamas<br /><br />Well...”<br /><br />NL<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-69962828554962559642016-11-25T01:40:42.528+00:002016-11-25T01:40:42.528+00:00I was going to point out to the previous correspon...I was going to point out to the previous correspondent that English is not your first language Bjorn. I am so pleased I didn't, because you have answered the point so much more concisely and eloquently than I could have!<br /><br />When those pictures were released I found it strange that McCann ally Mark Williams Thomas made a statement that they were inappropriate and could be construed as sexual. <br /><br />The truth is very, very, few people would see anything sexual or perverted in a little girl dressing up and putting on make up. I mean seriously, if you ran a survey among an average group of parents, or indeed any adults, what percentage would find those pictures a turn on? <br /><br />The assumption that a child in make up is sexual is a myth based on the disturbing and very specific tastes of probably less than 1%. The idea that Madeleine may have been with paedophiles fed the McCann narrative. It made their victim status more tragic, it gave them a 'cause' and it made their appeal for funds more urgent. <br /><br />For the authorities, convincing the public we are infested with gangs of paedophiles hopping over borders and trafficking children, has propped up police agencies, missing children charities and those who want a clampdown on the internet for almost a decade. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-16756927739020011742016-11-24T22:40:55.699+00:002016-11-24T22:40:55.699+00:00To Anonymous 24 November 2016 at 16.43
On this bl...To Anonymous 24 November 2016 at 16.43<br /><br />On this blog (May 28) Rosalinda ironically talks about “Those Dodgy Pictures” of Madeleine, and she shows one of them, which has been criticised by Jim Gamble and others, who see them as pornography, which, to be honest, I find preposterous. Instead, I would like to use the word sensuality in an innocent posture, and I’ve no problem with them at all and they are quite nice actually.<br /><br />However, there must be a reason as to why team McCann chose this one and two of a similar kind, when they could have chosen other pictures, which better would have shown how Madeleine then may have looked under normal circumstances, helping people to recognize her, in case they would see her. So the McCanns’ reason was, as I’ve said, to make people believe, that Madeleine must have become the victim of a paedophile. I can see no other reason! <br />Björn S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-14278961017029367812016-11-24T21:07:46.031+00:002016-11-24T21:07:46.031+00:00I agree NL, it was indeed the McCanns who raised t...I agree NL, it was indeed the McCanns who raised the 'P' question themselves - had anyone else suggested it, they would have been demonised for being so cruel to the parents. <br /><br />Apologies for being late responding to you, but I have since commented that the McCanns were scratching to find a motive for stranger abduction, why an abductor would have taken an older child rather than a baby.<br /><br />There was also never any suggestion of kidnapping for money, especially in the hours immediately after she had disappeared. It does appear to have been mentioned by anyone, which is curious. <br /><br />Digressing slightly, I don't know if anyone has ever seen the Jeremy Bamber documentary. He gave the police the complete story when they arrived to find all the rest of the family had been wiped out. Bamber blamed his sister and told the detectives how and why she had done it, before turning the gun on herself. Case closed. <br /><br />It was the same with Madeleine, the abduction story had been established before the police arrived. Kate did not have the hope that any mother would have had, that her child had wandered. They had already decided it was a stranger abduction and were probably miles away. The parents and tapas group were worried about closing borders and distributing Madeleine's picture globally. They didn't bother searching the immediate vicinity, they were looking outwards from the off. If they wanted, they could have appealed for volunteers to trek through the area surrounding PDL, thousands would have turned up. Instead, they went on a bizarre European tour, advertising their missing children in Rome, Germany, Amsterdam, Morocco and Washington. Embassies readied themselves for the McCanns' arrival. One wonders if their child had gone missing in Blackpool would they have launched a global appeal from, say, Paris? As time goes by, even the memory of the whole debacle becomes more and more ridiculous and with some of the more outrageous stunts, positively cringeworthy, especially for those experts and professionals who were so completely hoodwinked. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-81504707902944512992016-11-24T16:43:07.524+00:002016-11-24T16:43:07.524+00:00@ Björn Sundberg/Sweden23 November 2016 at 08:47
...@ Björn Sundberg/Sweden23 November 2016 at 08:47<br /><br />The Mccanns have not published ANY sensual photos of Madeleine. I suggest you look at yourself rather than the Mccanns and join the cesspit so can partake in the 9 years of comments on photos of Madeleine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-18732894314074387452016-11-24T02:14:30.086+00:002016-11-24T02:14:30.086+00:00I think you are reading stuff that isn't there...I think you are reading stuff that isn't there 17:22. The whole phoney so called reconstruction was sensitive because they were trying to recreate their lies with the cameras running. <br /><br />The most significant aspect of this memorable holiday, was the fact that the adults wanted to spend as little time as possible with their children. That is they were behaving the opposite way to paedophiles, who actively seek out alone time with kids. None of them wanted to miss out on the adult evening meal, that is they preferred to be at the Tapas table with their friends, not alone in the apartments with their own or anybody else's kids.<br /><br />These were a highly sociable group. They weren't hiding the children away in their apartments, they were booking them in for kids club activities. Up until 3rd May, they were a carefree group without any secrets. <br />Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-73694395913236494912016-11-24T01:44:06.389+00:002016-11-24T01:44:06.389+00:00I think it is sickening that the British MSM blame...I think it is sickening that the British MSM blame Goncalo Amaral and the PJ for Madeleine not being found. That was of course the McCanns intention, feeding negative propaganda about the police began the night Madeleine disappeared. No-one's helping us, wailed Gerry and Kate. <br /><br />But in defence of Goncalo Amaral, they were having to investigate this case in the most difficult circumstances imaginable. The massive publicity campaign launched by the McCann family led them to being inundated with sightings and false leads that quite literally hindered the investigation. Then of course when the lead detective was closing in, he was removed from case supposedly on the insistence of the British authorities. Whoever gave that command has much to answer for. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-23045838682437741912016-11-24T01:33:25.417+00:002016-11-24T01:33:25.417+00:00I agree Bjorn, it was indeed the McCanns who raise...I agree Bjorn, it was indeed the McCanns who raised and indeed, promoted, the paedophile aspects of this case. <br /><br />The whole idea of Madeleine being stolen to order for a childless couple was completely negated by the fact that almost 4 year old Maddie was sharing a bedroom with two babies, boy or girl. The 'P' word was the only option for a motive. <br /><br />However, anyone who knows anything about paedophilia, will know that stealing a random child in the night is not the way the majority of paedophiles work. <br /><br />It did however fit in with the government's agenda to create fear of the internet and the danger it poses to children. Bugger all to do with 4 year old Maddie's disappearance, but her cherubic image was enough to get the public onboard. <br /><br />The McCanns campaign not only raised millions for their own Fund, but it boosted Missing child charities worldwide. There can be no doubt that all those rushing out to assist Gerry and Kate were thinking first and foremost, what's in it for them. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-63143917137433845092016-11-23T13:33:24.211+00:002016-11-23T13:33:24.211+00:00The McCanns must be so proud of their “good market...The McCanns must be so proud of their “good marketing ploy”.<br /> <br />http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/22/girl-who-was-thought-to-be-madeleine-mccann-turns-out-to-be-swedish-tourist-6275929/<br /><br />“She’s really scared and don’t like people”,<br /><br />but Embla is alive.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-46382697591563677392016-11-23T12:08:14.532+00:002016-11-23T12:08:14.532+00:00Hi Rosalinda, thank you for replying ref the Marti...Hi Rosalinda, thank you for replying ref the Martin & Gasperr statements, whilst I don't think that all of the group are practising paedophiles, I believe maybe one or two are and are in powerful positions to manipulate any possible investigations. Remember this happened post Jimmy Saville, Cyril Smith & Rolf Harris. In the case of JS & CS there was certainly an establishment cover-up hence why they were allowed to carry on without fear of exposure. As I said in my last post if the McCanns aren't important the who within that group is. That's why I wouldn't write off the Martin & Gaspers statements. Incedently I recommend if not already seen the film Spotlight.John 100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-88983564028506038002016-11-23T10:46:07.834+00:002016-11-23T10:46:07.834+00:00Apologies 21:19, your post and several others seem...Apologies 21:19, your post and several others seemed to have gone straight to spam. My fault, I should check more often!<br /><br />I actually have encountered people with an unhealthy interest in children, during my years in the convent especially. Unfortunately it attracted psychopaths of every variety, especially those drawn by the power they would have over vulnerable kids. It was believed at that time that children in care (the undeserving poor)could be rehabilitated into model citizens through discipline and religious fervour. Behavioural modification and indoctrination in the Gulag style. <br /><br />You have raised some interesting questions, this has turned into a blog! Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-44472672581175365012016-11-23T08:47:08.880+00:002016-11-23T08:47:08.880+00:00The McCanns have invented so many stories about po...The McCanns have invented so many stories about possible paedophilia in the context of Madeleine’s mysterious disappearance. They have published sensual photos of Madeleine, just in order to make it seem possible, that she may have attracted some sexual abuser’s attention. Moreover, Kate describes Madeleine’s perfect body in her book and talks about how gorgeous she looked in her new dress, and for the very same reason of course. <br /><br />The McCanns knew, that without paedophilia, there could not be any other reason for Madeleine being taken, so therefore they had to promote everything that had with paedophilia to do. In doing so, they completely forgot, that they themselves could be the victims of their own fabrications, in that rumours, about their own preferences in such matters began to circulate, which were based on nothing but their own lies about others, that is, their talk about PDL being a place crowded by paedophiles.<br /><br /><br /> <br />Björn Sundberg/Swedennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-74503745228214438642016-11-22T20:59:11.790+00:002016-11-22T20:59:11.790+00:00I think Yvonne Martin probably did turn up early m...I think Yvonne Martin probably did turn up early morning with credentials in hand. It would have been the compassionate thing to do, she had the professional credentials and the English family clearly needed help. I'm not sure miffed is the right word, but she certainly would have been very confused at the behaviour of the parents and their friends. Had the abduction been real, they would have welcomed her with open arms - their biggest complaint was that 'no-one was helping them'. She was there on the spot and any doubt they may have had could easily have cleared been cleared up with a couple of phone calls. I expect she went away with all sorts of alarm bells ringing. Kate's attitude towards her in her book Madeleine is belligerent and rude as no doubt was her behaviour and that of David Payne when she approached them. As you say these people had a big secret. <br /><br />As for the Gaspers, I agree they probably were 'outsiders' of the group, didn't quite fit in etc. But to be fair, they were quite exclusive, snobby even, and I doubt many make it through to the inner circle. Not because of anything particularly sinister, but because that is how a PLU (People Like Us)social circles operate. They are usually shallow and not very likeable. Groups of any kind give me the creeps tbh, because they are all about exclusion rather than inclusion. Who can we keep out, who can we ban etc.<br /><br />I lean towards the 'big secret', being the possible sedation of the kids. A lot of doctors have the God Complex, ordinary mortals automatically assume they know best. Doctors are put on a pedestal,not only by society, but by their families and friends, as Gerry's mum said, how could anyone do this to a Doctor! <br /><br />We all know darn well that leaving toddlers alone in a strange, dark environment full of obstacles and furniture to climb, would be madness. However, if they knew the children would stay in their beds, the risks become minimal. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-14490971357909110102016-11-22T11:14:02.828+00:002016-11-22T11:14:02.828+00:00Off topic.
Regarding the latest McCann nonsense:
...Off topic.<br /><br />Regarding the latest McCann nonsense:<br /><br />http://www.busseltonmail.com.au/story/4310167/is-the-mysterious-english-speaking-girl-on-the-streets-of-rome-from-wa/<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-59039431384991870062016-11-22T08:03:21.381+00:002016-11-22T08:03:21.381+00:00Perhaps GM wants us to believe that M was alive (h...Perhaps GM wants us to believe that M was alive (his “proud father moment") and at the same time he is trying to make MO feel guilty for not taking “those extra couple of steps in”.<br /><br />“It was just dead quiet”, said Matthew OLdfield.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-88975900138250253872016-11-22T01:16:32.612+00:002016-11-22T01:16:32.612+00:00Martin was nothing more than a distraction. If sup...Martin was nothing more than a distraction. If supposed child abuse experts can't remember an abuser from a protector then we are in more trouble than I thought Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-26645284147182161882016-11-21T21:19:27.205+00:002016-11-21T21:19:27.205+00:00Ros - I hear what you are saying but just because ...Ros - I hear what you are saying but just because you have never encountered anyone who had an unhealthy sexual interest in children it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. <br />I have male relatives who went to British boarding schools and there would be one or two teachers who everyone dreaded being asked into their studies. The pretty choir boys were particularly popular - not just with some of the teachers but also some of the older pupils. It was rife in that environment. <br /><br />Unfortunately, the parents themselves failed to protect either Madeleine or her siblings. Madeleine disappeared in the most suspicious circumstances imaginable - stolen by paedophiles apparently according to the parents - and the McCanns exposed the twins to the full glare of the media. I'm astonished that social services and other agencies did not step in and insist on anonymity for the twins who did not chose to be put in the spot-light by their selfish and narcissistic parents. I see no evidence that GM, in particular, wanted the best for his children - particularly Madeleine. I think he is a psychopath. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-78454919499453519952016-11-21T21:17:10.146+00:002016-11-21T21:17:10.146+00:00Ros after I posted my last comment on the credibil...Ros after I posted my last comment on the credibility of the gasoer and Martin statements I saw your response to another poster on your last blog and that sums it up better " had the PJ been able to to lean on them as in any other missing child case....." Their statements would have fallen to pieces Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-10830007931357822762016-11-21T21:03:17.736+00:002016-11-21T21:03:17.736+00:00I agree with you Ros that whatever the big secret ...I agree with you Ros that whatever the big secret was that it wasn't paedophilia This was started by McCann himself and was encouraged by the gaspers and Yvonne Martin none of their statements convinced me that what they said had any credibility. Gasoers statement sounds more like she had been left out of the in crowd and her exclusion had made her a bit miffed and twisted even her husband didn't support her version of events. Martin couldn't remember whether she knew Payne in a professional sense or as an abuser and she just happened to turn up at a crime scene with her credentials in hand as if. It is difficult in this Strange strange case to understand why people made statement and said what they did but I view both these peoples statements the way I view most of the statements of the McCanns and the tapas crew I.e. givien 5 minutes with a fairly average detective they would torn asunder. I'm with John Starker and the big secret and it must be big enough for McCann and Payne and their families to except the peado label without any attempt to defend themselves in order to distract from whatever it is. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com