tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post8145096337328249491..comments2024-02-04T19:08:45.476+00:00Comments on CRISTOBELL UNDECIDED: WHEN TO SCREAM COVER UPRosalinda Huttonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-35088397914051390832017-04-04T10:15:10.121+01:002017-04-04T10:15:10.121+01:00@21:52
"he has a right to express those comm...@21:52<br /><br />"he has a right to express those comments."<br /><br />There's always 'Speaker's Corner'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-28497133635768800122017-04-03T21:52:20.606+01:002017-04-03T21:52:20.606+01:00Hi Ros@12:07
Hi as well Bjorn & NL
Yes I agr...Hi Ros@12:07<br /><br />Hi as well Bjorn & NL<br /><br />Yes I agree Ziggy can be hard work, again it's by his own admission that he hasn't read any of the books on both sides. So I find it hard to understand his logic. However Ros if you strike him off then he's won in my eyes. As much as I find him OTT in his comments but he has a right to express those comments.John100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-76406758436194840322017-04-03T20:03:17.244+01:002017-04-03T20:03:17.244+01:0018:01
Concur.18:01<br /><br />Concur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-37293208538739361262017-04-03T18:41:57.140+01:002017-04-03T18:41:57.140+01:0015:36
Concur.15:36<br /><br />Concur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-46906776565016197002017-04-03T18:01:33.127+01:002017-04-03T18:01:33.127+01:00What is this...a competition to see who can C/P th...What is this...a competition to see who can C/P the longest quote?<br /><br />Buck and Hendersons' proximity to the inner sanctum during Blair's reign at No.10 is a pertinent consideration. I'm not sure the same can be said of matters concerning the 'coalition of the willing' (which is why I terminated my extract).<br /><br />That is not to say that these statements do not make for interesting reading per se.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-87000232803749052222017-04-03T16:07:07.964+01:002017-04-03T16:07:07.964+01:00John Buck, FCO Director for Iraq, September 2003-J...John Buck, FCO Director for Iraq, September 2003-July 2004<br /><br />“We made considerable effort during the autumn of 2003 to generate policing contributions from other countries, both within and beyond the coalition. We agreed with the US that the UK would focus on EU partners, accession countries, Australia, New Zealand, Canada and South Africa. I chaired a conference attended by these countries, as well as the relevant Assistant Deputy Secretary in the US State Department, in London in late October, with Paul Kernaghan of ACPO playing a key role. Our assumption was that most countries, particularly nonCoalition members, would find it easier to supply trainers for the Jordan project, which was the key focus of the conference. The conference was scheduled in advance of the Madrid Donors Conference so that those unwilling to make immediate commitments might do so in or following Madrid. Canada, Poland and the Czech Republic pledged contributions in London. Austria and, I think, one or two other countries did so at or after Madrid, following further lobbying in capitals. Separately, the Danes were already involved in training in Basra and there had been a contingent of Italian carabinieri from the early stages of the post conflict period, as well as a contingent of Portuguese GNR (National Republican Guard, similar in concept to the Italian carabinieri). <br /><br />One difficulty was that a number of countries expressed an interest in helping, but wished to do so outside the plans and structure agreed by the CPA. This was particularly true of the French and Germans, who saw civilian policing as a relatively uncontroversial way of engaging with reconstruction efforts, but had difficulties of politics and principle with any suggestion that their personnel would be under CPA authority. The French offered to train Iraqi police in Paris – a proposal that was never taken up. More seriously, the Germans offered to provide trainers for a project in Abu Dhabi, with possible Egyptian participation. This had grown out of visits by Chancellor Schröder to both countries and thereafter became a politically driven priority for the Germans.”<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-42738371857579058062017-04-03T15:36:37.602+01:002017-04-03T15:36:37.602+01:00Rosalinda 14:28
"I've never heard of the...Rosalinda 14:28<br /><br />"I've never heard of the Gold Group"<br /><br />Operation Task:<br /><br />http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Strategic-debrief-operation-task-2009.pdf<br /><br />"The Gold Group: the CPS, the FCO, the Home Office, ACPO, CEOP, the Metropolitan Police Service, NPIA, SIO<br /><br />"A national response strategy was developed by this group Objectives: endeavour to secure the safe recovery of Madeleine.<br /><br />"Secure and preserve evidence which may assist in the investigation of her abduction and the prosecution of those responsible".<br /><br /><br />Operation Grange (extract from the 'remit'):<br /><br />"The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness.<br /><br />"The work will be overseen through the Gold Group management structure, which will also manage the central relationships with other key stakeholders and provide continuing oversight and direction to the investigative remit"<br /><br />Rosalinda: "There is no evidence that early evidence has been set aside"<br /><br />Goncalo Amaral: "The English can always present the conclusions to which they themselves arrived in 2007. Because they know. They have the evidence of what happened - they don't need to investigate anything. All this is a mere show off".<br /><br />"the most public display we have seen from Operation Grange was their digging up of the immediate areas surrounding Apartment 5A."<br /><br />Not those singled out for attention by Mark Harrison however.<br /><br />"DCI Redwood saying...that she (Madeleine) may not have been alive when she left the apartment. And we all know where that lead came from."<br /><br />Do we? I wouldn't presume.<br /><br />"It's a long way to go about solving a crime"<br /><br />Correction: It's the wrong way...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-70523672907463654462017-04-03T14:50:31.637+01:002017-04-03T14:50:31.637+01:00John Buck, FCO Director for Iraq, September 2003-J...John Buck, FCO Director for Iraq, September 2003-July 2004<br />My roles and responsibilities in relation to Iraq<br /><br />"I was Head of Public Diplomacy in 2003, as the Iraq conflict was approaching. In February 2003 the Permanent Undersecretary asked me to take over the Government Communication and Information Centre (CIC), a Unit staffed largely by members of the Government Information Service seconded from different Whitehall Ministries, and which had recently produced the second Iraq dossier. The CIC was situated in the FCO but worked closely with Alastair Campbell at No 10. During the conflict the CIC coordinated ministerial engagement with the media. On the eve of the conflict, by which time the Unit had doubled in size to 20<br />or so staff, we absorbed seconded staff from one or two other coalition governments, notably the USA, to try to ensure broader coordination of media engagement".<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-69807983439290243122017-04-03T14:28:10.192+01:002017-04-03T14:28:10.192+01:00I've never heard of the Gold Group 12:09, goog...I've never heard of the Gold Group 12:09, google throws up an employment agency, so do explain. <br /><br />There is no evidence that early evidence has been set aside 12:09. On the contrary, the most public display we have seen from Operation Grange was their digging up of the immediate areas surrounding Apartment 5A. And apart from DCI Redwood saying Madeleine may be alive or dead, he also said one line is that she may not have been alive when she left the apartment. And we all know where that lead came from. Woof. <br /><br />I tend to think the early work of Operation Grange was to satisfy the parents demands that every lead, no matter how tenuous had to be fully investigated before they were called in. It's a long way to go about solving a crime, but there's nothing normal about this one. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-11045636484287670522017-04-03T14:27:32.453+01:002017-04-03T14:27:32.453+01:00http://portugalresident.com/%E2%80%98here-i-feel-i...http://portugalresident.com/%E2%80%98here-i-feel-i-am-making-a-real-difference%E2%80%99<br /><br />December 15, 2005<br /><br />"Bill Henderson: My last job, from 2001-2005 was as director for the Middle East and Africa at UK Trade and Investment, the trade arm of the Foreign Office in London. This job included responsibility for co-ordinating the efforts of British business to take part in the reconstruction of post-war Iraq. I visited Baghdad in 2003, after the war ended, which was a fascinating experience.<br /><br />[...]<br /><br />R: What has been the greatest challenge of your career to date?<br /><br />BH: When I served as the press attaché at the Madrid Embassy in the late 1980s I was given the challenge of organising the media aspects of a state visit to Spain from Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. This involved much planning and preparation, particularly over issues such as security and press access. It was an unforgettable experience."<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-80392887917252176542017-04-03T13:05:25.821+01:002017-04-03T13:05:25.821+01:00The PJ re the sex abuses.
https://joana-morais.blo...The PJ re the sex abuses.<br />https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/dna-clears-crucial-suspect-in-maddie.html<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-62566432661462799312017-04-03T12:21:55.944+01:002017-04-03T12:21:55.944+01:00Anonymous3 April 2017 at 12:09
Indeed.
Astute.
...Anonymous3 April 2017 at 12:09<br /><br />Indeed.<br /><br />Astute.<br /><br />Mazel tov!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-53906797117186838872017-04-03T12:09:11.649+01:002017-04-03T12:09:11.649+01:00"This myth came out in 2011, via Kate's b..."This myth came out in 2011, via Kate's book. Why the delay with a story that backed up the abduction? It came to light again via Operation Grange bizarrely"<br /><br />Weren't the two vehicles ('madeleine' and Operation Grange) rolled out in the same year?<br /><br />Anyway, something of a test resembling a simultaneous equation can be applied to Grange and its predecessor (Operation Task).<br /><br />Suppose we take the view that everything which might be considered questionable prior to the McCanns (and the British police) returning home in 2008 was genuinely nothing more than the result of unfortunate coincidence, for which there would be an 'entirely innocent explanation', to coin a phrase.<br /><br />Fair enough. People were making decisions 'on the fly', it was a 'work in progress', dealing with the unknown/the unforeseen and all that.<br /><br />Operation Grange on the other hand was launched three years later, after all the data had been gathered and examined; something Grange, we are told, did all over again, for completeness.<br /><br />Why then was the early evidence set aside, new suspects introduced and a witness apparently fabricated? (just three matters which point to the dubiousness of the undertaking).<br /><br />Could any of this have been at the behest of the Gold Group, who drew up the original 'abduction only' remit - the same Gold Group which had assumed overall responsibility for Operation Task in 2007?<br /><br />If Grange is 'flakey'...<br /><br />All that glitters is NOT gold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-57910391152583601522017-04-03T12:07:13.623+01:002017-04-03T12:07:13.623+01:00Many thanks NL and Bjorn :) It is refreshing to co...Many thanks NL and Bjorn :) It is refreshing to correspond with others who enjoy lively debate without the sledgehammer of censorship. <br /><br />Unfortunately, Ziggy is bringing out my inner school marm - at the moment, and I am resisting the urge to strike a red pen through most of it. Not because of his opposing views, but because they are so sketchy and unfocussed. <br /><br />Unfortunately arguing with Ziggy is like arguing with a religious zealot, he is blinded by his beliefs. Kudos to him for arguing the McCanns' side, lord knows somehow needs to, but he is not making a very good job of it. It is clear he is struggling to subdue his own anger and hatred, and losing. He is openly contemptuous of myself and my contributors. It doesn't bother me, I learned long ago to take anything said on the net with a pinch of salt. But some, understandably are finding his posts offensive. From my perspective, he is sounding more and more like the long winded malcontents of Stop the Myths. Their posts are filled with spite, anger and venom, aimed at discrediting Goncalo Amaral and non believers. They all agree with each other while munching cyber popcorn. Ziggy is walking a fine line at the moment, I can pull the plug on him any time I choose! Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-34864823056675226212017-04-03T11:29:49.190+01:002017-04-03T11:29:49.190+01:00I have serious doubts about the story that PDL ...I have serious doubts about the story that PDL 'had several recent cases of men getting into bed with children'. In 2007, my mother and I were glued to the McCann Sky News Channel. Absolutely nothing was too trivial to report and PDL was packed with the world's crime reporters - they covered everything. Yet in all that unprecedented scramble for news, not one of them mentioned those 'recent cases of men getting into bed with children'. <br /><br />This myth came out in 2011, via Kate's book. Why the delay with a story that backed up the abduction? It came to light again via Operation Grange bizarrely, who in their official statement asked that journalists respect the 'victims' of these alleged crimes by not investigating or reporting on them. <br /><br />And yes indeed, 09:39, if evidence were needed of kid glove treatment, or even perverting the course of justice, Gerry sat behind Kate squeezing her shoulder as she was interviewed on 4th May 2007 is a prime example. <br /><br />How different might the outcome of this case have been if the Police had interviewed Kate on her own? How was it even possible for a prime suspect (and parents must always be first suspects) to be interviewed in the presence of the other prime suspect? I can't imagine it is common police practice, so where did the order to allow it come from? Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-67482193160687560652017-04-03T11:17:07.859+01:002017-04-03T11:17:07.859+01:00Hi NL 2 April 2017 10:56
Your PS regarding Ziggy &...Hi NL 2 April 2017 10:56<br />Your PS regarding Ziggy "Oh, by the way, I know you are not Insane. And you are not going to drive me away :)" <br />well said, I agree to that.<br /><br />And thanks Rosalinda for keeping the discussion about the Maddie case alive on your blog. Some people are becoming so emotional when arguing for or against, but I see that as a sign of health.Björnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-67777255424364966782017-04-03T11:08:30.930+01:002017-04-03T11:08:30.930+01:00There is no doubt the actions of the British Consu...There is no doubt the actions of the British Consulate were way over the top 10:25, almost as if the instructions came fro the PM himself.<br /><br />However, when discussing the British Consulate, we should remember the WikiLeaks entry. I don't have it immediately to hand, but as I recall John Buck was voicing suspicions, and the British cops were 'building a case' against the McCanns.<br /><br />I tend to think direct government assistance for the McCanns stopped at the end of June 2007, as too did the hospitality of Warners PDL. Perhaps there was dissent among the ranks?Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-74769659184185545082017-04-03T10:56:06.505+01:002017-04-03T10:56:06.505+01:00ZiggySawdust @02:51
"You don't know the ...ZiggySawdust @02:51<br /><br />"You don't know the truth.Nobody does."<br /><br />Somebody does. This is indisputably true. <br /><br />Oh, by the way, I know you are not Insane. And you are not going to drive me away :) <br /><br />NL<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-63940353011561003522017-04-03T10:55:30.460+01:002017-04-03T10:55:30.460+01:00I can see why you have truth and retribution confu...I can see why you have truth and retribution confused Ziggy, I expect for Gerry and Kate the two are entwined. <br /><br />In my blog, I muse Ziggy - as do my contributors. I don't 'investigate' people, I don't collect information (as if, lol) and I don't rally angry mobs. I have no time for vigilantes, my views on this are very clear - leave it to the police. And of course, the MSM and the public, should bear in mind the fall out will be traumatic for all the innocents involved. <br /><br />I challenge the lies put out by Gerry and Kate in their regular press releases and the lies of those compliant journalists who persist with the world's most unbelievable abduction story. You may be happy for our press to lie to us Ziggy, but I'm not, and from the thousands that read my blog, I'm far from alone.<br /><br />We are in a New Age of Information Ziggy, the public are rejecting fake news, and seeking out blogs such as mine for the truth. You can't stop that Ziggy, and you are as mad as Gerry and Kate if you believe you can. <br /> Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-19553928288273153302017-04-03T10:25:36.574+01:002017-04-03T10:25:36.574+01:00None of the above.
His side-kick Angela Morado &#...None of the above.<br /><br />His side-kick Angela Morado 'phoned Gerry on his mobile at half-past midnight though. When it came to the public broadcast, Henderson let Buck do all the talking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-76387216153132852602017-04-03T10:18:11.719+01:002017-04-03T10:18:11.719+01:00I fee er sum peeple hear juswant to voyse there cr...I fee er sum peeple hear juswant to voyse there crustations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-75835522821518678712017-04-03T09:39:46.875+01:002017-04-03T09:39:46.875+01:00@Anonymous 31.3 at 17:00
@Anonymous 2.4 at 23:17
...@Anonymous 31.3 at 17:00 <br />@Anonymous 2.4 at 23:17<br /><br />Bill Henderson was there to tell Kate McCann that "there had been several recent cases of men getting into bed with children, but no known abductions" (© KM).<br /><br />He told Kate this before she was taken off for questioning on May 4, 2007. Kate was questioned in the presence of Gerry McCann because Gerry was extremely worried about Kate’s psychological state.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-88912338879011271282017-04-03T02:51:15.012+01:002017-04-03T02:51:15.012+01:00Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton3 April 2017 at 02:11
...Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton3 April 2017 at 02:11<br /><br />''You are not winning any arguments with your long diatribes Ziggy, and in copying and pasting every slur and responding to it, you are turning readers off.''<br /><br />The difference between me and your ' seers of truth' is that i never put words into anyone's mouth than attack them for saying them.That's a bad habit and those who do it don't know when to stop.They attribute all kinds to whoever they like-evidence doesn't matter. I paste the 'slurs' ( you noticed that then-the slurs) for clarity and to ask for proof of these accusations rather than unfounded rants. I may well be turning your readers off.But they make it clear what turns them on. No apologies for that.<br /><br />''Don't preach - ever! ''<br /><br />Me ?<br /><br />'' I have zero interest in this petty bickering and one upmanship, it is taking everything off topic.'<br /><br />Check the flow.What stopped it ?<br /><br />''but you are showing no respect to me and my blog by insulting my readers. ''<br /><br />My responding to the slurs you spotted is insulting is it ? OK.<br /><br />''show a bit of civility and decorum, your behaviour is uncouth - do you honestly act like that in the real world? If so, I'd be amazed if you didn't get beaten up on a daily basis. ''<br /><br />So, if i allow fools to bad mouth me it's decent.Not stupid.If i respond i should get beaten on a daily basis.I rarely meet 'warriors' out there. Just behind keyboards.<br /><br />'' We are entitled to hold opinions, just as you are, without being insulted. ''<br /><br />Again, check the flow of the thread.What was the last post before the silliness ? And who derailed it with insults ? You call my response an insult.<br /><br />''My conscience guides me. My blog is my own search for the truth in this case Ziggy, and obviously I am not alone in this quest. ''<br /><br />Your blog is dedicated to the quest for retribution-with or without proof. Those who endorse it can say anything and talk nonsense.Those who don't have to be quiet and know their place.<br /><br />''One of the essential points, you and indeed the MSM seem to overlook when cussing 'the haters', is the fact that when the truth comes out, it will probably have headlines like 'Crime of the Century'.''<br /><br />You don't know the truth.Nobody does.Those headlines may well come out.The story that sits beneath them might not be what the vigilantes hope for. The MSM don't matter to anyone but the government. Quoting from them plays into their game.<br /><br />''we know the real truth, not the baloney fed to us by Tony Blair, Piers Morgan and Lorraine Kelly. ''<br /><br />They're the MSM too.They use more than newspaper. I've never known a phenomenon like this. In ten years the case is unsolved and no progress has been made.Yet tens of thousands know the truth . There's a missing piece there.<br /><br /> All I've done, above this post ( and on other threads) is ask a few posters to 'put up or shut up'.In other words, if you think I'm someone from some other blog, or if you quote me with words I've never said, show me.People can abuse their right to freedom of speech of course.it's quite the fashion to support that on here.I used my right to free speech properly. I back up what i say.Big difference.<br /><br />'' Ziggy, you pride yourself on not taking bullshit''<br /><br />Yep. I do.<br />ZiggySawdustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-65649037883192519102017-04-03T02:11:18.176+01:002017-04-03T02:11:18.176+01:00Please, please, folks, spare me the bickering, I f...Please, please, folks, spare me the bickering, I find it so tedious. <br /><br />Ziggy, you pride yourself on not taking bullshit, online or off, yet you spend so much time on it! Why? If I spent my time answering criticism of me, point by point, they have won, because they have monopolised all my time and attention. <br /><br />You are not winning any arguments with your long diatribes Ziggy, and in copying and pasting every slur and responding to it, you are turning readers off. There are a few basic principles that every writer and correspondent should observe when they put pen to paper, that is, if the want the reader to go on reading. Don't preach - ever! Don't alienate your readers. Don't patronise. Imagine you are on the stage and you want the audience to like you. Be nice.<br /><br />I enjoy hearing/debating alternate opinions as you know Ziggy. But I have zero interest in this petty bickering and one upmanship, it is taking everything off topic.<br /><br />And no, I am not just blaming you Ziggy, but you are showing no respect to me and my blog by insulting my readers. All I ask of those who post here is to show a bit of civility and decorum, your behaviour is uncouth - do you honestly act like that in the real world? If so, I'd be amazed if you didn't get beaten up on a daily basis. <br /><br />Whilst I fully understand things must be tough right now Ziggy, I would ask, nay demand, that you treat my blog and my readers with respect. We are entitled to hold opinions, just as you are, without being insulted. <br /><br />This is not a hate blog Ziggy. It is the side of the missing Madeleine story that the MSM are, for whatever reason, hiding from the public. And as long as the MSM keep publishing fake news stories, I will counter them with the real ones. My conscience guides me. My blog is my own search for the truth in this case Ziggy, and obviously I am not alone in this quest. <br /><br />One of the essential points, you and indeed the MSM seem to overlook when cussing 'the haters', is the fact that when the truth comes out, it will probably have headlines like 'Crime of the Century'. Of course, we're bleddy gripped! Not just because Gerry and Kate have kept our attention for 10 years (and well done for that), but because we know the real truth, not the baloney fed to us by Tony Blair, Piers Morgan and Lorraine Kelly. <br />Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-12592219683416067852017-04-03T01:11:39.522+01:002017-04-03T01:11:39.522+01:00"Subtext - hate him, support them."
or ..."Subtext - hate him, support them."<br /><br />or more accurately "hate them, support him" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com