tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post8209356629127467150..comments2024-02-04T19:08:45.476+00:00Comments on CRISTOBELL UNDECIDED: REPLY TO SOFA AND CMoMM on CHARLIE HEBDORosalinda Huttonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-70361195170126855362015-01-16T15:50:42.352+00:002015-01-16T15:50:42.352+00:00Intelligent discussion on free speech - Joan Bakew...Intelligent discussion on free speech - Joan Bakewell, Shashi Tharoor and Christopher Hitchens. <br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw3dDbc1BHE<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-31457513632652992232015-01-16T01:07:30.930+00:002015-01-16T01:07:30.930+00:00Oops, spot the deliberate mistake, I've re-wri...Oops, spot the deliberate mistake, I've re-written history by inventing Henry the Eleventh! What the hell, you can't have too many Henrys can you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-23617502406615227472015-01-15T21:59:33.181+00:002015-01-15T21:59:33.181+00:00This is such a difficult subject to address. At t...This is such a difficult subject to address. At the end of the day what is religion, a branch of politics that runs so close to the reigning world governmental powers that they co-exist to the point where one can't function effectively without the other. I can't disagree with the principle of your thoughts but if only it were that simple.<br /><br />Islam, as you will know, is not confined to the Middle East, it is indeed one of the foremost religions across Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Although the Koran is the ulitmate Islamic holy text, it is not the guiding influence that governs the lives of different cultures from one country to another. Not all factions of Islam embrace polygamy, female genital mutilation, female repression, enforced female modesty to name but a few. Again it depends on regional cultures and age old traditions rather than the laws of the holy text. Across the world encompassing all religions and cultures , there is murder, genocide, ethnic cleansing, mass slaughter, rape, child abuse, abuse against women, abuse against men, witchcraft, satanic ritual, human and animal sacrificial ceremony, corruption etc. These atrocities are not confined to any particular religion or cult, it is also a people problem, a massive human failing.<br /><br />Forgive me but your assertion that the more 'intelligent' Muslim possesses a superior level of tolerance and acceptance of non-Muslims, I consider to be rather arrogant and not true to life. I know a Muslim who is a professor of languages, he lives in fear of his God, he won't even touch a bottle that contains alcohol in case he is sent to hell for an after- life of eternal damnation and I'm not joking! Another I know can drink me under the table with no fear of being forbidden entry into Paradise. Followers of the Islamic faith are really no different than followers of any other religion, it's all a case of personal interpretation of their holy text and committment to their faith. Rather like one Christian attending church three times every Sunday, another only twice, another only once and probably a whole lot more who don't see the need to attend church outside of religious festivals when the Vicar might be taking notes.<br /><br />Nor can I agree that religious intolerance is confined to the Islamic faith. From about the 16th century right up to early 20th century, within Europe the Church of England was trying to dismantle the power of the Catholic church. "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest" as Henry 11 said of his arch-enemy, the saintly Thomas à Becket. Then there has been the long term war between Protestants and Catholics in Ireland. The fascist movement under the reign of Hitler's Nazi regime tried to rid the world of Jews during the 20th century and they are still persecuted to this day. War in the name of religion has been going on since the dawn of humankind and will continue to exist all the time the power crazy continue to exist i.e. Armageddon! Sorry but you will never rid the world of megalomaniacs, you only have to look at some of the internet fora to witness examples of people trying to take control and turning extremely ugly when they fail to dominate !!!<br /><br />Goes back to the same old saying, there's good and bad in all walks of life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-37773563917868567472015-01-14T23:29:44.355+00:002015-01-14T23:29:44.355+00:00Freedom of speech is only partly to do with why pe...Freedom of speech is only partly to do with why people have become incensed (particularly as the French authorities have arrested someone speaking out in favour of one of the murderers). <br />It`s not particularly because of a sect having irrational beliefs because Jehovah`s witnesses, christians, creationists, believers in fairies all have irrational beliefs and it goes with any faith that they will be mocked by those who don`t agree and they mostly take it with a pinch of salt. <br />All this `sacred` business - anything can be made sacred - I could make a tree or a stone sacred if I wished, give it importance it doesn`t really have. <br />The major problem with islam IMO is its intolerance and arrogance. It really thinks it`s superior. Its not willing to live and let live. I cannot think of any other belief system that`s so intolerant. Humble is the name of the game if one moves to another country with different customs and islam is certainly not humble. The more intelligent muslims realise this and adapt accordingly and therefore find it easy to integrate. They don`t insist on special prayer rooms to be provided in their places of work, they don`t insist on wearing niqabs or burkhas, they don`t insist on special concessions, they don`t treat their women as second class citizens and they don`t have their girl children`s genitals mutilated. They therefore have no trouble integrating and most are pleasing to know. <br />What happens to anyone who is arrogant and superior? - Answer - they always get ridiculed and IMO deserve it.<br />I find it humourous that the `little Englanders` on CMoMM have exactly the same mentality as white supremisists and extreme islamists - they have the same superior mentality, they believe they know best and beat down anyone who disagrees.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-18390662374855355212015-01-13T22:04:11.129+00:002015-01-13T22:04:11.129+00:00Anon @ 12th January 2015 19:08
With respect, your...Anon @ 12th January 2015 19:08<br /><br />With respect, your reply is somewhat contradictory. You say you are not speaking for the general public but speaking for yourself, yet in the same text your clarify the use of the word 'we' to mean all non-Muslims, are you in fact representing all non-Muslims? I am not a Muslim but I do not consider the subject under discussion to be 'humour' so it would be appreciated if you don't take it upon yourself to speak on my behalf!<br /><br />I don't ask that you respect Islam, that is your personal choice but if your judgement is confined to what you read in the press, I strongly suggest that you avoid public debate on the subject untill such times as you have a greater understanding. As I said originally, not a subject for superficial argument but if you're looking for someone to blame, take a look at European government who have allowed this situation to escalate and never forget, the problem of terrorism is certainly not the only issue that has been allowed to spiral out of control because of governmental failure. Failure to safeguard it's own people while pandering to evil.<br /><br />I wonder where these terrorists get their weapons from?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-82456070366864583642015-01-13T21:54:01.411+00:002015-01-13T21:54:01.411+00:00Only registered members can see them now.Only registered members can see them now.Barbaranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-7177477756534737062015-01-13T03:08:14.426+00:002015-01-13T03:08:14.426+00:00We = non muslim and no am not speaking for the gen...We = non muslim and no am not speaking for the general public am speaking for myself the same way u are its called free speech i respect muslim right to there religion but do not expect me to respect it this is a religion that stones women to death so it is open to criticism and should not be kept to our own circle of friends the whole world should know about it and it does have everything to do with peoples outlook on life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-25714159762376201212015-01-12T22:04:49.837+00:002015-01-12T22:04:49.837+00:00Blasphemy is the act of insulting or showing conte...Blasphemy is the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God, to religious or holy persons or things, or toward something considered sacred or inviolable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-66810301071234223132015-01-12T19:42:04.750+00:002015-01-12T19:42:04.750+00:00@ Anon 12th January 10:59 "we call it Humour...@ Anon 12th January 10:59 "we call it Humour" ! <br /><br />Who are 'we' and why a capital h? Surely your are not presuming to speak for the general public?<br /><br />This is not about humour (or at least shouldn't be), it's about insulting the image of the ultimate foundation of Islam. I'm not a religious freak but I can appreciate the importance of faith to those who believe and I can understand why they take offence at mockery of their deity.<br /><br />However, as I said, this is not a subject for general opinion about the rights and wrongs of any particular outlook on life nor am I looking for a fight. I appreciate your right to individual opinion and your right to have a rip roaring laugh at whatever tickles your fancy but perhaps for world peace and harmony it's better to keep it to yourself or within your own circle of like minded people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-33900265305593414832015-01-12T18:59:39.451+00:002015-01-12T18:59:39.451+00:00What your trying to tell us is Muslims do not hav...What your trying to tell us is Muslims do not have a sense of Humour why are they so serious all the time why do they not have a sense of Humour they call it mocking we call it HumourAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-64301203110973866402015-01-12T18:05:38.832+00:002015-01-12T18:05:38.832+00:00Where have the "Paris" threads gone on b...Where have the "Paris" threads gone on bennett's forum?<br /><br />They don't appear in the latest topics in the portal?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-24585257745586256552015-01-12T11:50:54.861+00:002015-01-12T11:50:54.861+00:00You are very wrong Cristobell, to use this person ...You are very wrong Cristobell, to use this person and your blog to take yet another blow at Tony Bennett and Jill Haverns forum, if you don't ease off you will lose all credibility.<br /><br />I can understand both sides of the argument but at the same time realise there is a lot more to this than one God against another. You really need to be a Muslim raised and living within in Islamic state to understand their culture and how it affects every aspect of their lives, not a diluted version probably born and raised in Europe or the Americas and therefore accustomed to totally different cultural influences.<br /><br />My opinion only, the Charlie Hebdo atrocity is nothing to do with 'freedom of speech' but everything to do with mocking the faith of one of the worlds leading religions. I'm not condoning the way it was handled, only trying to rationalise a situation which has spiralled way out of control. However wacky it might seem to a non-believer, followers of Islam (as with many other religions and cults) believe unreservedly in their faith so it's totally unacceptable for infidels to mock their beliefs. It does nothing to promote harmony does it? <br /><br />You have your opinions on the subject as others have their own opinions, there can be no superior intellect on such a subject, it's so complex there is no room for superficial argument. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com