tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post8775806051121365921..comments2024-02-04T19:08:45.476+00:00Comments on CRISTOBELL UNDECIDED: ALL MCCANNED OUTRosalinda Huttonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comBlogger202125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-48436003378100239022017-06-29T08:48:22.798+01:002017-06-29T08:48:22.798+01:00I questioned your view on the dog evidence in the ...I questioned your view on the dog evidence in the recent past. I have reappraised my view after reading a large portion of the PJ files. It is difficult to be confident of exactly how things played out, but the overall picture appears to point in one direction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-5567182728016997652017-06-08T12:38:45.596+01:002017-06-08T12:38:45.596+01:00IMO The commenter's point is perfectly clear.IMO The commenter's point is perfectly clear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-48197028716933793242017-06-06T22:08:44.602+01:002017-06-06T22:08:44.602+01:00Thank you Bjorn, I too was wondering what the poin...Thank you Bjorn, I too was wondering what the point of that comment was, lol. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-45176957176011133462017-06-06T21:54:13.787+01:002017-06-06T21:54:13.787+01:00Hi Anon 2 June at 23:32
What's the point in qu...Hi Anon 2 June at 23:32<br />What's the point in quoting Rosalinda without actually comment on anything she says? As long as you don't explain to us why you believe that Rosalinda's views on the Madeleine case are worthless, your comment is in fact completely worthless.Björnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-76032881472514256232017-06-02T23:32:51.829+01:002017-06-02T23:32:51.829+01:00Why I think Ros's views are worthless.
[All q...Why I think Ros's views are worthless.<br /><br />[All quotes by Ros]<br />I don't find anything likeable about Gerry and Kate McCann. <br /><br />Lorraine Kelly for example, seems positively smitten by them.<br /><br />Where the police are concerned however, I doubt they have any fans. <br /><br />the McCanns have been persecuting their Portuguese colleague Goncalo Amaral for 9+ years <br /><br />Is it likely arrogant cardiologist and professor Gerry, would treat police officers with respect, or even, as equals?<br /><br />In 10 years, no-one has come forward to tell us what warm, kind and compassionate people Madeleine['s parents] are. <br /><br />They have bent over £12m backwards not just to protect that small group of National Health Doctors, but also to protect the scarily poor judgement of 3/4 PMs, and a parliament and MSM filled with closet racists and imperialists.<br /><br />I think a lot, myself included, are seeing corruption everywhere. Who would have thought for example, that in 2017, we would see food banks all over the UK? <br /><br />Not Suspects, doesn't really mean anything. How many times have we seen police arrest 'Not Suspects' the very next day?<br /><br />The abduction story is full of holes <br /><br />Gerry's extraordinary spiritual experience I think, was more to rally the Catholics in a Catholic country. <br /><br />Gerry is the doted on youngest sibling, Kate the only child. I think as well as being spoilt they have been put up on a pedestal. I'm amazed they haven't all fallen out tbh, Kate treats her sisters in law like the help.<br /><br />the Zig is no great shakes when it comes to the written word - when he ridicules others he reveals his own very limited education. How could he not recognise the first line of 'If'? And if anyone needs to read that beautiful poem - he does!<br /><br />Whilst Gerry and Kate are both accomplished at the art of deception, Gerry often falters. Their relationship is symbiotic, that is why it is difficult to distinguish who holds the dominant role. <br /><br />[End quotes]<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-75210384210823716782017-05-31T00:22:42.622+01:002017-05-31T00:22:42.622+01:00Anonymous30 May 2017 at 18:58
'' I doubt ...Anonymous30 May 2017 at 18:58<br /><br />'' I doubt Madeleine became familiar with anywhere that week as I think something untoward happened quite early on in the week.''<br /><br />I'd be interested in any evidence supporting the 'earlier in the week' scenario. I admit when it happened I checked the date and calendar and significance( with May 1st being important). It happening on May 03 dispelled any suspicions i had in mind in that area.<br /><br />The consensus, from what I've read, is that the event occurred on May 03, and that she had been seen earlier that day.What are the 'fors' and 'againsts' on this ? Was she seen by a witness considered to be unreliable or reliable ?<br /><br />Any scenario of Madeleine wandering off is hard to accept. I can believe she might wake up and look around but not go walakabout. She'd been(allegedly) heard crying the night before and hadn't gone walkabout. If the eye witness accounts are to be believed there was plenty of people around seeing other people. They can't all be child abductors. And, of course, a toddler that age would surely be too scared to wander off into the dark.ZiggySawdustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-14873856674685877772017-05-30T21:15:07.639+01:002017-05-30T21:15:07.639+01:00@18:58
The Mini Club was above the twenty-four-ho...@18:58<br /><br />The Mini Club was above the twenty-four-hour reception (the main reception) further away from 5A. The twins were in the Toddler Club for two-year-olds in a building next to the Tapas restaurant. <br /><br />As for Kate's statement that Gerry thought that Madeleine might possibly make her way back to any place that was familiar to her (i.e. the Mini Club), too much detail I'd say. It makes you wonder.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-91481592131968029352017-05-30T18:58:20.284+01:002017-05-30T18:58:20.284+01:00But I thought that the Mini Club that Madeleine al...But I thought that the Mini Club that Madeleine allegedly attended that week was near the Tapas bar/restaurant? I thought that the children's club near or above the 24hr reception was the creche for toddlers and was the one attended by the twins that week? Why would Madeleine be familiar with the toddler club? Would she ever even have been there? I doubt it very much and suspect this is another of the beloved Mc double or triple bluffs. I doubt Madeleine became familiar with anywhere that week as I think something untoward happened quite early on in the week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-30859018198054167852017-05-30T18:56:39.544+01:002017-05-30T18:56:39.544+01:00Anonymous30 May 2017 at 13:10
''Well, Dav...Anonymous30 May 2017 at 13:10<br /><br />''Well, David Payne doesn’t agree with you, according to Kate McCann.''<br /><br />With respect, David Payne's a doctor, not a sleuth.Yes, it's true to say that closing borders off would have made sense as it would be part of covering all bases.I know Amaral's been on the end of criticism for the delay in doing it too.But, to be realistic, if a planned abduction is to be considered-especially if it was to order- the closing of borders would have been anticipated and avoided.They were 5 minutes from the sea after all. Another abductor scenario which takes into account the alleged presence of blood suggests it wasn't a kidnap to order but something more sinister. Crossing the street from the apartment would take 10 seconds and they would be out of view. That would make more sense then following long and winding lanes as people were milling about.If the child's body was concealed. it could have been in a car in the car park or one of many empty properties / apartments ( it was off-season).ZiggySawdustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-15572913289949056072017-05-30T18:54:55.386+01:002017-05-30T18:54:55.386+01:00Björn30 May 2017 at 12:40
"@Rosalinda
I rea...Björn30 May 2017 at 12:40<br /><br />"@Rosalinda<br /><br />I really appreciate that you do not apply censorship to your blog Rosalinda.<br /><br />@ others who dislike Ziggy<br />I must say, that I feel very bad about those, who commit themselves to bullying others. One way of doing so is to constantly ignore or encourage others to ignore a person, whose ideas, language or opinions he/she dislikes."<br /><br />Thabk you, Björn, I say likewise.<br /><br />T<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-54133397923580408642017-05-30T16:39:00.746+01:002017-05-30T16:39:00.746+01:00https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/86954069818...https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/869540698185277441<br /><br />...<i>Did McCanns have editorial signoff on 2011 show? Sunday Night show pays $ to guests. 2017 doco no McCanns = no signoff?</i><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-58648609128318862092017-05-30T16:23:18.894+01:002017-05-30T16:23:18.894+01:00So the answer to that question is an emphatic yes,...So the answer to that question is an emphatic yes, judging by the response. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-74056600523634498172017-05-30T13:10:00.241+01:002017-05-30T13:10:00.241+01:00@ZiggySawdust 29 May 2017 at 23:14
"I don...@ZiggySawdust 29 May 2017 at 23:14<br /><br />"I don't consider for a second that Madeleine was kidnapped and smuggled to any African nation."<br /><br />Well, David Payne doesn’t agree with you, according to Kate McCann.<br /><br />Whilst Kate “was hitting out at things” and Gerry “had been over to the Mini Club above the twenty-four-hour reception, thinking that if Madeleine had been left somewhere, she might possibly make her way back to any place that was familiar to her.”, David was saying: “We need roadblocks set up. The borders to Spain, Morocco and Algiers need to be alerted.”<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-76423740104946160452017-05-30T12:40:40.788+01:002017-05-30T12:40:40.788+01:00@Ziggy
Yes, linguistic analysis of speech may be e...@Ziggy<br />Yes, linguistic analysis of speech may be even more useful than body language in finding out what’s false and what’s true in statements by witnesses and suspects.<br /><br />As for Dave Payne’s use of ”it”, I believe it refers to the concealment of Madeleine’s body, which must have been a kind of a Freudian slip by Payne. Despite the fact that nobody has ever accused the McCanns of having abducted their own daughter, he felt the need to defend them.<br /><br />@Rosalinda<br /><br />I really appreciate that you do not apply censorship to your blog Rosalinda.<br /><br />@ others who dislike Ziggy<br />I must say, that I feel very bad about those, who commit themselves to bullying others. One way of doing so is to constantly ignore or encourage others to ignore a person, whose ideas, language or opinions he/she dislikes.<br /><br />Björnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-26375832018281763982017-05-30T12:36:08.383+01:002017-05-30T12:36:08.383+01:00Hi Ziggy@24th May 19:44
It would be the other way...Hi Ziggy@24th May 19:44<br /><br />It would be the other way around, a burglar would more likely be local and an abductor would be someone from outside.John100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-1756302954758276522017-05-30T12:25:10.583+01:002017-05-30T12:25:10.583+01:00Anonymous 30 May 2017 at 06:08
I concur.
T
Anonymous 30 May 2017 at 06:08<br /><br />I concur.<br /><br />T<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-69450620354252132592017-05-30T09:16:52.869+01:002017-05-30T09:16:52.869+01:00ZiggySawdust 29 May 2017 at 21:06
Morning, Dusty
...ZiggySawdust 29 May 2017 at 21:06<br /><br />Morning, Dusty<br /><br />“I've been looking at a couple of 'oldies' in the case.”<br /><br />T would also like to have a look at the couple of ‘oldies’. Would you please be so kind as to post links to where you’ve been looking?<br /><br />Namaste.<br /><br />Brother T<br /><br />PS I do hope your urinary tract is in order<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-32973335670797264272017-05-30T07:55:24.685+01:002017-05-30T07:55:24.685+01:00https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/86942812614...https://twitter.com/saunokonoko/status/869428126144643072<br /><br /><i>WATCH: The 23 remarkable seconds CUT from Gerry's reply to 'did you kill you daughter?'</i><br /><br />“Gerry McCann’s unedited reply finally airs in 2017” and “Footage from 2011 showed how Gerry’s response was heavily edited, and made markedly different.”<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-14710637297130551172017-05-30T06:08:37.114+01:002017-05-30T06:08:37.114+01:00@ZiggySawdust at 21:06
"I find these little ...@ZiggySawdust at 21:06<br /><br />"I find these little 'lapses' in throw away remarks far more worthy of scrutiny than watching someone who might scratch his arse when he's saying something ambiguous."<br /><br />So do I, but regarding the Channel Seven documentary I find the fact that Gerry McCann's response had been heavily edited in 2011 the most interesting.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-68286122920376670362017-05-29T23:14:04.374+01:002017-05-29T23:14:04.374+01:00Anonymous29 May 2017 at 18:00
A 'strict' ...Anonymous29 May 2017 at 18:00<br /><br />A 'strict' Muslim family wouldn't commit the sin. The western perception of strict Muslim practices in bringing up children and oppressing women are well founded but it isn't a religion that looks favourably upon stealing and harming children.It's too easy now to blame everything possible on the Muslim 'bogey men'. We're supposed to do that according to the psychopaths who rule the West. I don't consider for a second that Madeleine was kidnapped and smuggled to any African nation. She'd stick out like a sore thumb. If the kidnapped-for-childless-couple was where to look i think it would be European countries to consider where she'd blend. I don't think she was abducted for a childless couple anywhere to be honest. I think that theory has been influenced by too many TV dramas.ZiggySawdustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-32972936322918939892017-05-29T21:11:07.021+01:002017-05-29T21:11:07.021+01:00Hi Anon 18:55
If the SY/Operation Grange/Mr Redwoo...Hi Anon 18:55<br />If the SY/Operation Grange/Mr Redwood/Mark Rowley haven't asked the McCanns a single question all these years, they have been busy doing something else and nobody really knows what that might be. <br /><br />They may have been trying to find an abductor, without having had any evidence whatsoever of an abduction and it's of course very embarrassing to admit that. In my opinion, the British and the Portuguese people are now entitled to an explanation as to why the British/Portuguese investigation hasn't accomplished anything, as it seems. So, whatever they've been doing all these years, Operation Grange and Rowley cannot possibly have found anything worth telling the world about and that's exactly what Rowley should have told us.Björnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-79357666633106732142017-05-29T21:06:56.706+01:002017-05-29T21:06:56.706+01:00I've been looking at a couple of 'oldies&...I've been looking at a couple of 'oldies' in the case. As i was dipping in and out of the relevant one's i was distracted by various sidebars, as often happens to us online.So, I put my dipping aside for a little while to take a peep. They concern David Payne mainly-he of the loose lips.<br /><br />When he was contacted by the local press ( Sol) he told them that he knew 'they(parents) didn't do it'.I'm not being pedantic, but what is the 'it' ?Bearing in mind it was-and is- an abduction case, it would exclude an 'it' .The statement, therefore, seems to suggest Payne is saying the parents didn't abduct their child.That's stating the obvious.If the parents are taking a child away from their apartment it's called 'going out'-not abducting. His exercise in clumsy talking when't further when adding 'one of our party saw Madeleine being abducted'. Again, I'm not being pedantic, but if one of them saw one of their children being abducted they would have ran and rescued her wouldn't they ?So, one of their party couldn't have seen it.So that 'party' should have been asked why they didn't intervene or call the police and say they just saw one of their children being abducted.I'm presuming this is referring to what later became the infamous 'Tanner sighting'.Her 'sighting' was obviously given with the benefit of hindsight ( which isn't a benefit ) and adding two and two together.Or just lying. Payne ended the conversation by informing the newspaper of their pact of silence and stated that 'it is our business, nobody elses'.It was the business of the PJ surely. <br /><br />GM was angry.He called the reporter back and told them they would answer to the PJ and asked them if they considered themselves better than the Portugal Police.That would suggest that GM, contrary to common opinion had, at one point, faith in, and respect for, the PJ.<br /><br />I find these little 'lapses' in throw away remarks far more worthy of scrutiny than watching someone who might scratch his arse when he's saying something ambiguous. Having said that, I'd be interested to see if Mr McClish and others like him who profess that there are universal language patterns in body language and speech patterns would utilise their 'art' and study others and not just the commonly believed prime suspects.We haven't heard of him ( or Hyatt etc) before.When something as globally newsworthy appears, so do they.I'm cynical, I admit, but there's a hint of self-promotion in that.If they think there's a huge audience believing that a suspect or two going unpunished through lack of evidence or a cover up, they already have a huge audience onside.This enhances their reputation before it's even been looked at. I've scrutinised Murat and Redwood.The former has some striking 'hallmarks' in what he says, the latter has even more in what he doesn't-or won't- say ( see panorama 2012 five year anniversary). He doesn't seem able to provide a yes /no answer.He prefers to ramble off in all directions as if memorising his Boys Own Book of Policing.ZiggySawdustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-31628889308668063492017-05-29T18:39:06.831+01:002017-05-29T18:39:06.831+01:00Hi
Rosalinda & NL
The McCanns certainly fear ...Hi<br />Rosalinda & NL<br /><br />The McCanns certainly fear the thought of a serious discussion in British MSM about the suspicion among a lot of people in the UK and elsewhere of their involvement in the disappearance of their daughter, therefore they are more or less compelled to talk about their own suffering and do what it takes to keep themselves in the public eye, as it deflects attention away from their own guilt. <br /><br />Staying in the limelight makes them feel, that they have a kind of control of what British MSM are writing about them. At least they are lulled into believing so. They are still doing their best to manipulate a few influential journalists, some of whom may still let themselves be fooled, but they can never convince all the sceptics on social media about their innocence. <br /><br />Going back to ”normal” life, which they should, just as you suggest NL, would eventually make MSM forget about the case, but truth seekers on social media never will, and the McCanns are well aware of that. Gerry McCann in particular hates the voice of the public, which he hopes will be silenced by the help of British MSM, which, in my opinion, is the reason as to why he and the team around him keep on feeding “reliable” journalists and newspapers with stories about how distraught he and Kate are and how much both of them miss Madeleine. Yet, nothing of that has anything at all with the real case to do.<br /><br />Björnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-7910473462655767002017-05-29T18:00:58.735+01:002017-05-29T18:00:58.735+01:00ZiggySawdust
''abducted - probably for som...ZiggySawdust<br />''abducted - probably for someone important'.<br /><br />And having a great life now hidden from the public, never allowed out ,no friends <br /><br /> I guess the rich desperate family never thought it through , with all there money they could not persuade the agencies to allow them to adopt .<br /><br />Why Maddy? blonde 4 year olds are two a penny, oh she was special <br /> perhaps it was a strict muslim family that ordered her abduction <br />nobody call tell its her as she is now fully covered .<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-53216889647140154812017-05-29T14:06:17.543+01:002017-05-29T14:06:17.543+01:00Yeh, I'm glad you brought Trump into it, becau...Yeh, I'm glad you brought Trump into it, because the picture you just painted could be Trump blaming all his staff for forcing him to be President! <br /><br />Gerry and Kate may well be as mad as a box of frogs, but, simply by their professions, they are among the higher educated. They don't have learning difficulties, they are not vulnerable adults. Clarence may have been in the room, but it was Gerry at the Whiteboard. <br /><br />Gerry and Kate have always had the option of withdrawing from the limelight. It's not difficult, see Andrew Ridgely. The fact is, they paid Lord Bell £500k (from the Madeleine Fund?) to keep them on the front pages for a year. <br /><br />The McCanns want it both ways Ziggy. They want to stay on the front pages, but only in a good way, and they have spend millions trying to achieve that. This is where the insanity comes in, and the shameful behaviour of all those around them, the professionals especially, who are clearly only in it for the money. On the advice of their lawyers, they have frittered away millions. Ultimately, they have won nothing. Like a frenzied gambler in Vegas, they have thrown their winnings back into the roulette wheel and lost the lot. Not only have they failed to clear their names, they have thrown several gallons of highly flammable liquid to the fire. <br /><br />I am not quite sure they are Folk Devils Ziggy, in the whole scheme of things, their story has fallen by the wayside, there are much bigger fish to fry. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.com