tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post1163657405032563308..comments2024-02-04T19:08:45.476+00:00Comments on CRISTOBELL UNDECIDED: WHY OG CAN'T JUMP THE LAST HURDLERosalinda Huttonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comBlogger277125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-30569883423744801772018-04-10T23:19:14.750+01:002018-04-10T23:19:14.750+01:00Anonymous9 April 2018 at 15:46
Yes, Eamon Holmes w...Anonymous9 April 2018 at 15:46<br />Yes, Eamon Holmes was sent to the wilderness. He started turning up on other shows as bad as his own, embarked on the 'celeb' circuit( strictly) only to re-surface to collect his OBE. Quite the nosedive.<br /><br />Kate Hopkins isn't, nor was ever' a celebrity.She was a wannabe celebrity who appeared on a reality show.She chose the 'outrageous comments' route to stay in the news.She has said a lot more outrageous things than commenting on the case.She makes a living trying to wind people up.Nobody really likes what she's about and she isn't good for viewing figures.Sharon Osborne was only a judge on a fake talent show. She was culled in an ageism move, nothing more.Again, the novelty of what she was ( married to a wacky ex rock star and mother of two oddball celeb kids) was wearing thin.Nobody took her opinions seriously about anything.Even the fake talent show. If celebs are told to give the subject a wide berth they do it.The fear of no attention is their nightmare.Who said they are told this nonsense ?<br /><br />You miss the Point Eamon changed his tune , i asked him why at a tv Awards backstage he just smiled would he have still had a career if he had gone out on a limb . no he would not we both know that , as for the other i mentioned yes we know about there characters , but do you honestly think celebs or reporters dare risk going off script , the Editors wont let them for a start Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-67521885426343998082018-04-04T18:35:58.236+01:002018-04-04T18:35:58.236+01:00"Cat or one of the nannies said that they had..."Cat or one of the nannies said that they had a printer and took the camera away to get some photos copied."<br /><br />http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/missing-madeleine-mccann-poster.gif<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-11750599380486794022018-04-04T16:18:02.234+01:002018-04-04T16:18:02.234+01:00''No police force would shelve a case if t...''No police force would shelve a case if there was a child predator on the loose. It would be their top priority until the predator was caught. ''<br /><br />The PJ did.<br /><br />'' Arguably, they stopped looking for a predator when the dogs alerted to blood and the odour of cadaver.''<br /><br />Yet reopened it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-29218609345237376052018-04-04T16:16:00.657+01:002018-04-04T16:16:00.657+01:00Anonymous4 April 2018 at 07:59
''Perhaps ...Anonymous4 April 2018 at 07:59<br /><br />''Perhaps more interesting is the question of why they didn’t give one of the holiday photographs of Madeleine to the police on the night she disappeared. ''<br /><br />But you then talk about the difficulty printing one off.Where does it talk about nobody handing a photograph-or photographs over ?Could it be that the photograph or photographs needed by the police for reasons of identification were considered sufficient ? The famous poster pic has worked well. Madeleine is easily identifiable through that one.Why would any more be needed in the investigation ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-36800182601728375562018-04-04T15:13:28.822+01:002018-04-04T15:13:28.822+01:00Ros: "I do hope someone passes my words onto ...Ros: "I do hope someone passes my words onto GA, they are quite sincere."<br /><br />I suppose you can't be arsed to do it yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-21273524118361390092018-04-04T12:00:41.239+01:002018-04-04T12:00:41.239+01:00Leonor Cipriano was rightly found guilty, she made...Leonor Cipriano was rightly found guilty, she made accusations against the police that were found to be fraudulent and she had further time added to her sentence. <br /><br />High profile cases have the pressure of the media spotlight, that is, they eyes of the world were watching. A child predator on the loose in the Algarve is not good for anyone. Apart from children being at risk, it destroys tourism, jobs etc. <br /><br />No police force would shelve a case if there was a child predator on the loose. It would be their top priority until the predator was caught. When the PJ shelved this case, they had stopped looking for a predator. Arguably, they stopped looking for a predator when the dogs alerted to blood and the odour of cadaver. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-53065399627198677992018-04-04T08:45:15.933+01:002018-04-04T08:45:15.933+01:00Anonymous at 01:36
That's your subjective int...Anonymous at 01:36<br /><br />That's your subjective interpretation.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-18332287228289045942018-04-04T07:59:54.512+01:002018-04-04T07:59:54.512+01:00Perhaps more interesting is the question of why th...Perhaps more interesting is the question of why they didn’t give one of the holiday photographs of Madeleine to the police on the night she disappeared. Those photographs were the most recent ones.<br /><br />Russell O’Brien:<br /><br />“We tried to find a picture of Madeleine. Kate checked her camera but these were mainly of her at home or not such a clear picture. We found a picture of Madeleine but we couldn’t print it off. Cat or one of the nannies said that they had a printer and took the camera away to get some photos copied. A copy of the photo was given directly to the Police, someone from the Mark Warner staff made a poster- but I do not know who that was.”<br /><br />http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-88490672862014217172018-04-04T01:38:59.850+01:002018-04-04T01:38:59.850+01:00''If it was a case of Grange having identi...''If it was a case of Grange having identified and eliminated him then it would be expected for them to say so, outright ''<br /><br />''They didn't though - they merely said they were no longer appealing for information about him. ''<br /><br />It means they're not interested in that line of inquiry.Smithman can relax.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-78017279296949363942018-04-04T01:36:25.433+01:002018-04-04T01:36:25.433+01:00any conversation between Kate and Fiona Payne is i...any conversation between Kate and Fiona Payne is independent of the questions compiled by Amaral. <br /><br />What does 'an uneasy feeling' actually mean?It's a vague, abstract phrase that a hundred people can and probably have voiced without being able to say what it means exactly. As a 'leading question' coming from Amaral it was more than likely, when contextualising it among the 47 others,to lead down the avenue of a great foreboding or omen ( something was going to a child, not sure which one or how etc). Or, it could be regarding failed 'peace talks' between the McCann parents. It's all about trying to come up with the right subjective interpretation of an abstract statement. Which, incidentally, isn't possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-72647890825842309322018-04-04T01:26:24.267+01:002018-04-04T01:26:24.267+01:00Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton4 April 2018 at 01:03
...Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton4 April 2018 at 01:03<br /><br />''No-one other than the McCanns and their supporters think Leonor Cipriano was framed''<br /><br />McCann supporters don't believe it either.<br /><br />''who co-erced her into lying about GA?''<br /><br />A wild guess..there was her and another suspect who committed the crimes of murder and disposal of a body and there were the police.I reckon her partner in crime co-erced her.<br /><br />''And honestly, do you really think it is a good idea to align the McCanns with two monsters who confessed to killing and dismembering a child? One of whom was the mother. ''<br /><br />Absolutely not.That's why I haven't-nor wouldn't- do it.Why you're trying to say I have, or am, is a mystery only you can solve.<br /><br />''There are no connections between the two cases other the ones you make. Joana was an abused child, known to the authorities and on an 'at risk' register. ''<br /><br />I told you on your most recent thread that the two cases are independent of one another.Why are you suggesting i said they're connected ? What's that agenda about ? The only thing they have in common is the lead detective.However, there are some important bullet points from each case that strongly suggest the former investigation had a detrimental effect on the investigation of the latter .<br /><br />''GA was a professional, with many years of police service, it is absurd to think he would treat crime like a conveyer belt.''<br /><br />Who said he did that ? Source ? What I said was that he falsified evidence. Am I wrong in that ? The thing I actually said ?<br /><br />'' There is nothing to be gained from framing an innocent suspect in cases of missing children. It leaves the predator on the loose, and places every child at risk.''<br /><br />Another reason the parents were entitled to have his book framing them prevented from being published then .<br /><br />'' Police don't wind these cases up quickly so they can get back to their long lunches. Clearly pressure was put on the PJ to wind the case up quickly''<br /><br />Why is it clear ? If police don't wind these cases up quickly what makes you say the PJ 'clearly' put pressure on them to do just that ?<br /><br />'' which they did, without framing anyone.''<br /><br />They wound it up ? You mean they shelved it then re-opened it and are still investigating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-42494912231816493942018-04-04T01:10:12.546+01:002018-04-04T01:10:12.546+01:00Björn3 April 2018 at 18:34
''I agree ther...Björn3 April 2018 at 18:34<br /><br />''I agree there're so few photos of Madeleine taken on that holiday. The pool photo is one of the rare ones and I find that one interesting to discuss..The day and the point of time could have been moderated.''<br /><br />Or not. It's more likely that the ship of fools trying to find anything from anywhere as 'evidence' are clutching again. Both countries have better technology than we have.<br /><br />''Anyway, Madeleine, according to Gerry, said that she had had the best day of her life before she fell asleep in the evening of that tragic night.''<br /><br />Does that paragraph mean anything ?<br /><br />''The photo in question was taken by the pool and it’s supposed to prove, that that day was Madeleine’s best day ever and it seems to be very important...''<br /><br />Ahhh, i see. I missed that. Who actually said it was supposed to prove anything ? Have you got the source ?<br /><br />''Gerry’s obsession with the day and the exact point of time, makes me suspect that something may have happened to Madeleine around that time or late''<br /><br />That's quite a bombshell. Something completely vague, you accusing someone else of having an obsession all adds up to a guilty, sinister parent.<br /><br />''I don’t believe that the purpose of publishing this photo was to make people look for Madeleine''<br /><br />That's that sorted then.<br /><br />''Honestly, who thinks it’s important to know the exact time when the last photo of a dear friend or family member was taken? Gerry apparently does.''<br /><br />You just posted 7 paragraphs discussing it. Did Gerry do that ?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-40998687589697296762018-04-04T01:03:12.487+01:002018-04-04T01:03:12.487+01:00No-one other than the McCanns and their supporters...No-one other than the McCanns and their supporters think Leonor Cipriano was framed. The allegations she made against GA were found to be fraudulent and her sentence was increased. It wouldn't take too long for a detective to find out from LC, who co-erced her into lying about GA? <br /><br />And honestly, do you really think it is a good idea to align the McCanns with two monsters who confessed to killing and dismembering a child? One of whom was the mother. <br /><br />There are no connections between the two cases other the ones you make. Joana was an abused child, known to the authorities and on an 'at risk' register. <br /><br />GA was a professional, with many years of police service, it is absurd to think he would treat crime like a conveyer belt. There is nothing to be gained from framing an innocent suspect in cases of missing children. It leaves the predator on the loose, and places every child at risk. Police don't wind these cases up quickly so they can get back to their long lunches. Clearly pressure was put on the PJ to wind the case up quickly, worlds press watching and all that, which they did, without framing anyone. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-42637230106604478982018-04-04T00:27:22.423+01:002018-04-04T00:27:22.423+01:00H ha 15:49, I did wonder if I was being a tad immo...H ha 15:49, I did wonder if I was being a tad immodest there, lol, but then I thought, I do like writers who 'write like me', I copy the style of writers I have loved since childhood, too many to mention, and more sprinklings of some than others. PG Wodehouse, I worship openly, but the real bookworms might recognise his, in my humble opinion, his US equivalent Thorne Smith. His characters were just as wild and wacky as the Wodehouse characters, and they too had penchant for booze, hedonism and drugs too iirc, ha ha. This was my first introduction to comic writing even as a very young child. Our house was littered with Thorne Smith books and my parents shared a love for them. Totally unsuitable for kids I'm sure, but I loved them. <br /><br />That's not to say that I don't also love writers who are completely different. I find the utter charm of byegone ages, quite beguiling, I feel as though I am being drawn into a different world. I totally blame the Bronte sisters for my wild streak, my feminism, and yes, aw shucks, for being such a Drama Queen. To be fair, the Brontes' heroines were more inclined to scream inside than out. They weren't trying to be actual iconoclasts, but they have stirred many a feminist heart for centuries. <br /><br />Then there are the writers, in whom I am in awe. Those who work their butts off to get the news to us as quickly and clearly as possible. In a nutshell, we are all lazy, we all want it explained to us as if we were 4 years old. I was blessed in having a dad who did that for me every day of my life, it made understanding current affairs so much easier. <br /><br />But let's get back to me, lol, obviously my favourite subject. A lot of the writers I picked up on over the years, used to write columns for the free magazines handed out at London Bridge. I loved 'Miss London' and 'Girl about Town', mostly for the jobs, but my favourite was 'Midweek' which had the gloriously outrageous Jeffrey Bernard. It cheered my Thursdays up no end, knowing that I had that to look forward to. <br /><br />But I should get back to your moans, lol. You still think GA should be severely punished in some way, we get that. That quotation btw, isn't mine. I have never written those words. Attributing them to me won't work - I have a very definitive style of writing as most readers will have noticed. <br /><br />I do hope someone passes my words onto GA, they are quite sincere. As an avid reader and former English lecturer, I am more than qualified to give a good or bad review. GA's book is well written, because it is honest, it is from the heart, his compassion towards the victim, and even towards the parents, is astounding, even quite humbling. <br /><br />He is not a vengeful man. He highly educated, very well read, and has a scholarly understanding of human behaviour. All attributes that cannot be faked. He was a detective doing his job, above and beyond. His 'scruffy' appearance (the part that hurt him most)was down to the long hours the police were working. They were literally sleeping in the office in shifts. <br /><br />There will be many newcomers to this case at some time, and the kindest advice anyone can give them is to read GA's book. Be discerning about what you read everywhere because you will be faced with mountains of reading material and videos to watch, made by headcases and professional nosey parkers. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-37949186914537496862018-04-03T21:08:42.132+01:002018-04-03T21:08:42.132+01:00''Finally, I have to say this that the def...''Finally, I have to say this that the definitive explanation for everything that happened on this tragic evening is in the brilliant book written by chief investigator Goncalo Amaral''<br /><br />I'm sure he would blush to read such an effusive critique.By 'definitive' I'm guessing that you are suggesting that his guesses as to what happened to Madeleine( her death then her burial /cremation/storage etc)are accurate. Even without a shred of evidence.So, if it's the definitive guide to what happened ( according to our intrepid detective / author), how do you think it sits with your own attempts at creative writing , ie :<br /><br />'':Someone carried his daughter's body and hid or buried it..Later the body was moved and placed in a freezer... later after a few location switches the body found its way into the back of their hire car...The body's final resting place could be none other than the Leicestershire property of the parents....The tiny body could be taken through customs as hand luggage ''<br /><br />Did those little nuggets turn up in 'the definitive book' ? Or don't you really think it's the definitive book after all..and you're adding in the bits Amaral overlooked ?<br /><br />It's posts like yours that make up the definitive guide to online nuttiness. God help the poor old antis..they get crazier..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-38607282051743445852018-04-03T20:52:57.087+01:002018-04-03T20:52:57.087+01:00Of course it's important. But so is perspectiv...Of course it's important. But so is perspective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-33495023784435489892018-04-03T20:14:23.656+01:002018-04-03T20:14:23.656+01:0015:46
Silly questions? It always haunts Fiona Pay...15:46<br /><br />Silly questions? It always haunts Fiona Payne that Kate had said she's got an uneasy feeling about coming to Portugal. Also 'no comment' from Kate to Fiona Payne? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-46687740327465273082018-04-03T18:34:39.891+01:002018-04-03T18:34:39.891+01:00Hi Anon 3 April 2018 at 14:23
I agree there'r...Hi Anon 3 April 2018 at 14:23<br /><br />I agree there're so few photos of Madeleine taken on that holiday. The pool photo is one of the rare ones and I find that one interesting to discuss.<br /><br />The mentioned photo could have been taken any day, also days before Madeleine went missing. The day and the point of time could have been moderated.<br /><br />Anyway, Madeleine, according to Gerry, said that she had had the best day of her life before she fell asleep in the evening of that tragic night.<br /><br />The photo in question was taken by the pool and it’s supposed to prove, that that day was Madeleine’s best day ever and it seems to be very important to the McCanns, to show that she was well and healthy, especially in that afternoon at half past two, which Gerry has emphasized so many times.<br /><br />Gerry’s obsession with the day and the exact point of time, makes me suspect that something may have happened to Madeleine around that time or later in the very same afternoon, which the McCanns are still trying to conceal. <br /><br />I don’t believe that the purpose of publishing this photo was to make people look for Madeleine, but to show that everything was well in the McCann's family just hours before the alleged abduction happened? <br /><br />Honestly, who thinks it’s important to know the exact time when the last photo of a dear friend or family member was taken? Gerry apparently does.<br /><br /> <br /> <br />Björnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-25251920496815576232018-04-03T16:43:19.817+01:002018-04-03T16:43:19.817+01:00The fact that two monstrous child-murderers ended ...The fact that two monstrous child-murderers ended up behind bars, because of Goncalo Amaral, seems to be unimportant to those who seek any stick to beat him with. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-15560373512166315822018-04-03T15:53:56.936+01:002018-04-03T15:53:56.936+01:00No.None of them were.Neither is this.Everything is...No.None of them were.Neither is this.Everything is a hologram. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-9262775948423568542018-04-03T15:51:52.349+01:002018-04-03T15:51:52.349+01:00''True, but he was right about who the mur...''True, but he was right about who the murder was in that case, which matters a lot, at least to me.''<br /><br />I know dishonesty doesn't matter to you, Bjorn, we can all see that.That too is ironic as one of your favourite pass times seems to be accusing whoever you like of being a liar to suit your fantasies. It matters in the greater scheme of things that a detective with that kind of responsibility was prepared to break the law and lie during an investigation of a missing child.The charge of murder came about due to a confession, not brilliant detective work.That was the part they were making mess after mess with.At least there was no falsified evidence this time.Just a book.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-57210237724788351332018-04-03T15:49:30.202+01:002018-04-03T15:49:30.202+01:00Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton2 April 2018 at 10:01
...Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton2 April 2018 at 10:01<br /><br />''On perverting the course of justice, she is probably at the greatest risk. Her 'sighting' was the only evidence of abduction,''<br /><br />And the absence of Madeleine, let's not forget.Or is that evidence of murder and dumping a body..Her 'greatest risk' hasn't come to much in all these years has it..or don't the police understand what perverting the course of justice means..<br /><br />''I agree Goncalo's Truth of the Lie, is the definitive Madeleine book,''<br /><br />What does it define other than a catalogue of his own suspicions ?<br /><br />''which is probably why the McCanns have sunk everything into making it go away. ''<br /><br />Or could it be that they think that nobody, least of all the detective initially given charge of the investigation, should be able to publish unfounded allegations for profit ?<br /><br />''It is a brilliantly written book, GA is a writer after my own heart,''<br /><br />Such modesty.I think, having read his allegations, and yours, you're of similar mentality rather than heart.I don't think 'heart' belongs in a description for either of you budding authors.<br /><br />''nothing pretentious, nothing cryptic,''<br /><br />And nothing proven.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-62426750132577460482018-04-03T15:46:50.835+01:002018-04-03T15:46:50.835+01:00They were mostly silly questions that had little t...They were mostly silly questions that had little to do with finding out what happened to Madeleine or where she could have gone.It was Amaral trying to bend everything to fit his pet theory.'No comment' was polite, considering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-77251746901950930922018-04-03T15:37:07.908+01:002018-04-03T15:37:07.908+01:00That reply, referring to 'Smithman' no...That reply, referring to 'Smithman' no longer being part of any appeal ( for information from the public ? ) is quite interesting.<br /><br />If it was a case of Grange having identified and eliminated him then it would be expected for them to say so, outright ( just like they did with 'Tannerman' ) <br /><br />They didn't though - they merely said they were no longer appealing for information about him. <br /><br />That might suggest they don't NEED information from the public anymore because they already KNOW exactly who Smithman is. It might even suggest that the reason they are not prepared to disclose his identity is because it forms part of a possible future prosecution. <br /><br />If I was Smithman I wouldn't be at all relieved by this latest news - far from it. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-21038983172580592092018-04-03T14:23:17.136+01:002018-04-03T14:23:17.136+01:00Why is it I wonder, that all the photographs in th...Why is it I wonder, that all the photographs in this case look photo-shopped?<br /><br />Was Madeleine ever really there at all?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com