tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post5335831873345312479..comments2024-02-04T19:08:45.476+00:00Comments on CRISTOBELL UNDECIDED: LIE SPOTTING - WHY WE DON'T BELIEVERosalinda Huttonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comBlogger224125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-82189013387289495112018-11-29T18:06:27.757+00:002018-11-29T18:06:27.757+00:00Positive site, where did u come up with the inform...Positive site, where did u come up with the information on this posting?I have read a few of the articles on your website now, and I really like your style. Thanks a million and please keep up the effective work. <a href="https://www.liedetectortest.uk/locations" rel="nofollow">Lie Detector Test</a><br />Richard H. Blackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14598058396076026111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-37694695150490599162017-04-20T16:44:56.715+01:002017-04-20T16:44:56.715+01:00Chris Connell17 April 2017 at 12:11
''190...Chris Connell17 April 2017 at 12:11<br /><br />''1903 i wouldn't pay attention to what Ziggy sawdust says, he remind me if the YouTube trolls who will swear that black is white,''<br /><br />Unlike the youtube trolls who pull a hamstring in an attempt to twist anything they can find into 'evidence' against the McCanns ( including academics delivering unrelated lectures).<br /><br />''The "guilt of the McCann's: lie spotting" video is a compelling piece of film'' kind of thing. Even if it had nothing to do with the McCanns...<br /><br />I (Ziggy), prefer to examine actual evidence, not invent it.I leave that to the trolls. I come under your bizarre definition of trolls who :<br /><br /> ''are not interested in the truth but more in their own version of said events, best to ignore these people. If you ignore them they have no argument.''<br /><br />I think ''best ignore these people as they're only concerned with facts that can be proved rather than opinions and imaginative theories that we enjoy'' would be more accurate.<br /><br />It doesn't matter who ignores people who are genuinely wanting to see facts emerge to close this case and see justice for Madeleiene. They'll still only be left with their kangaroo courts and subjective interpretations of photographs and mind readers ( and weird anger).<br /><br />If one single detective from day one had enough suspicion to drive him propel the investigation in that direction, at anyone he thought was guilty of a crime, he would have done it. Either that, or he was blocked from seeing it through. The former suggests nobody had a clue they could use.The latter implicates somebody with the muscle blocked the investigation and controlled it. Who ? Suspects wouldn't have that power, that's for sure.<br />ZiggySawdustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-2082153432756793292017-04-18T10:37:00.850+01:002017-04-18T10:37:00.850+01:00Chris Connell 17 April 2017 at 12:11
Respectfully...Chris Connell 17 April 2017 at 12:11<br /><br />Respectfully.<br /><br />“1903 i wouldn't pay attention to what Ziggy sawdust says…”<br /><br />You seem to have been doing so nevertheless.<br /><br />As for the rest of your post, it sounds ad hominem.<br /><br />With reference to Gaspars’ statements, could you kindly indicate as to where Ziggmund transgressed in the way you have implied.<br /><br />For the avoidance of doubt, I question the Gaspars’ fitness as parents, for they seem to have admitted that they had inexcusably failed in their parental duty of care.<br /><br />Many thanks.<br /><br />T <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-55882685451159710522017-04-18T03:08:35.129+01:002017-04-18T03:08:35.129+01:00Anonymous 14 April 2017 at 19:03
“They stopped Da...Anonymous 14 April 2017 at 19:03<br /><br />“They stopped David Payne from bathing their children.”<br /><br />Not according to Katherina Gspar’s statement.<br /><br />http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm :<br /><br />“During our holidays in Majorca, it was the fathers who took care of the children baths. I had the tendency to walk close to the bathroom, if it was Dave bathing the children. I remember telling Savio to took care to be there, in case it was Dave helping to bathe the children and, in particular, my daughter E. I was very clear about this, as having heard him say that had disturbed me, and I did not trust him to give bath to E. alone.”<br /><br />Besides, how does “…it was the fathers who took care of the children [mostly girls, T] baths.” sound to you?<br /><br />T <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-77259248672879089552017-04-17T12:11:59.442+01:002017-04-17T12:11:59.442+01:001903 i wouldn't pay attention to what Ziggy sa...1903 i wouldn't pay attention to what Ziggy sawdust says, he remind me if the YouTube trolls who will swear that black is white, deny basic facts whilst demanding you dissect every minute detail of every statement you make, these people are not interested in the truth but more in their own version of said events, best to ignore these people. If you ignore them they have no argument.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12105138881926871420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-90062997233489254592017-04-15T18:32:41.172+01:002017-04-15T18:32:41.172+01:00Anonymous14 April 2017 at 19:03
''Shame o...Anonymous14 April 2017 at 19:03<br /><br />''Shame on you Ziggy for suggesting that they must have been in some alcoholic, drug-addled 'haze'''<br /><br />Shame on who ? I never mentioned a 'they' just a 'she'. I suggested her recollections being vague( she had already said they were sat around drinking, ergo- questionable clarity ?). I didn't mention drugs-where are you getting that from ?<br /><br />Either way, drunk, sober or high-no names are mentioned nor are any replies to the comment and gesture. It could have been about anyone. A prosecution would make mincemeat of Gaspar and her 'speculations'. And, of course, she would have been asked why, if she'd witnessed the same lewd conversation /gesture in a social gathering a long time before( from the same Mr Payne), why hadn't she walked away from the friends then ? <br /><br />She may be guilty of nothing more than failing hindsight and adding 2 and 2 and reaching 7.Fortunately for her, she was clear that they 'seemed' to be talking about Madeleine and she 'thought' they were . That takes care of any defamation /libel/slander comebacks from Payne.ZiggySawdustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-19712722817704446252017-04-15T18:28:34.625+01:002017-04-15T18:28:34.625+01:00Richard Hall's videos are very misleading Chri...Richard Hall's videos are very misleading Chris because they are based on the haphazard and heavily biased research of Tony fire and brimstone Bennett. The idea that these armchair detectives have solved the crime of the century is absurd, on every level. <br /><br />Not only is it absurd, it intrudes on the lives of all those unfortunate to have given statements to the police. Bennett and his ilk have selected targets, not from the immediate tapas group, but from the independent witnesses. Robert Murat, the first patsy, the Smith Family, the nannies. All have been investigate, and pronounced guilty by Tony Bennett, Richard Hall, and unfortunately, those duped into believing their nonsense. <br /><br />Do you not see the immorality of persecuting witnesses online? 'investigating' their private lives, and finding them guilty in their absence.<br /><br />Even putting the morality to one side, they are inventing scenarios to support their own very distorted perception of the world around them. Who has ever heard of groups of middle class professionals getting together to abuse their own children? It just doesn't happen. <br /><br />It irks me that RH and TB are misleading so many people Chris. If anyone wants to get to the root of this case, they need to sort the wheat from the chaff. There is so much truthful information out there, it irks to find you have wasted an inordinate amount of time reading nonsense. <br /><br />This case doesn't need to be sexed up. The reality will probably be far more shocking than anything writers of fiction could invent. Not in the sense of horror of violence, but the way in which the ordinariness of a group holiday could turn into a living nightmare. <br /><br />I have golden rules when reading Madeleine commentary. If the author discards the findings of the dogs, the PJ and Goncalo Amaral, I stop reading. That includes those who accuse independent witnesses of lying in order to make their personal theories fit. <br /><br />I am still miffed that I wasted 4 hours watching his original documentaries. By the law of averages he got some parts right, but for me the credibility was already gone. <br /><br />I always advise newcomers and those who haven't, to read Goncalo Amaral's book The Truth of the Lie. Or indeed, watch the video on YouTube. Rosalinda Huttonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01497239700092619580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-64862347621119833312017-04-15T11:25:24.730+01:002017-04-15T11:25:24.730+01:00Katherína Gaspar's statement is vague to say t...Katherína Gaspar's statement is vague to say the least.<br /><br />More interesting IMO:<br /><br />"Document missing from DVD: Processo Volume XIII, Page 3909.<br />In a memorandum dated 24 October 2007 (Processo Volume XIII, Page 3909) reference is made to a document written by Dr David Payne which document had been read carefully by British Detective Constable Mike Marshall, the author of the memorandum.<br />The document written by Dr Payne is not in the DVD."<br /><br />http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/Gaspar.htm<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-29743423330183320492017-04-15T10:59:08.258+01:002017-04-15T10:59:08.258+01:00Hi Rosa, lol your description of the McCann's ...Hi Rosa, lol your description of the McCann's is spot on. They are not good liars, Gerry fidgets and Kate's voice is squeeky and erratic along with the theatrics and hand movements, it's like she's trying to convince herself. And the way the McCann supporters hate Goncalo Amaral and slander him at any given opportunity is pathetic, the McCann's supporters ignore basic facts and simply say "they're innocent" or "there was no neglect" ect, ect. But then they will question every detail of statements made by anyone who points out things that make the McCann's look guilty. So there is without a doubt an agenda in place, so you're right to not get drawn into a debate with said people. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12105138881926871420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-28804651027580605272017-04-15T10:45:01.824+01:002017-04-15T10:45:01.824+01:002215 i also like the way that all you mccann shill...2215 i also like the way that all you mccann shills call Richard d hall a nutter, he may be a bit out there but his Madeleine films are evidence based and have made a whole load of people wake up to the mccanns charade, THE MCCANNS HAVE LIED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS, INNOCENT PEOPLE HAVE NO NEED TO LIE. THEY HAVE ONLY TO TELL THE TRUTH AND THEY DIDN'T. SO IN MY MIND THEY'RE GUILTY BECAUSE YOU ONLY LIE WHEN YOU WANT TO HIDE SOMETHING.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12105138881926871420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-27113413640037063362017-04-15T10:40:49.403+01:002017-04-15T10:40:49.403+01:0022:15 Hi there, i am the person who uploaded the a...22:15 Hi there, i am the person who uploaded the above video onto you tube after the original was taken down, did you completely ignore Rosa's thread? She explains, much like i did in the description that Pamela Meyer has never publicly accused the McCann's of anything. The maker of the video simply did some clever editing of some mccanns interviews and Pam's Ted talk lectures, in order to highlight the similarities between the McCann's body language and behaviour with some proven liars as shown in the original lie spotting video. So the point of using the Ted talk film was for that purpose, to spot the mccanns lies and expose their deception. But then I'm guessing that you're another Pro McCann shill because all you shills ignore facts and scream ignorance. Good day.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12105138881926871420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-52722245041473930752017-04-14T20:29:17.778+01:002017-04-14T20:29:17.778+01:00@ Anonymous14 April 2017 at 08:14
Or alternativel...@ Anonymous14 April 2017 at 08:14<br /><br />Or alternatively from her husband:<br /><br />"We never commented on this gesture during the rest of the holiday and I thought no more about it.<br /><br />I can describe Dave as a Caucasian male 1.78 m tall, and of a medium complexion. He had brown hair and used glasses/contact lenses depending on the circumstances.<br /><br />I can say that Dave was a pleasant person. I do not remember him having any unusual characteristics.<br /><br />During the holidays Dave never behaved in an inappropriate manner with Madeleine or with any of the other children. Dave was popular with the children and I took this to be because he was a close friend to the family.<br /><br /><br />I never distrusted Dave. After the holidays there was one occasion when we were with Kate and Gerry and Fiona and Dave were also present.<br /><br />That was in a restaurant in Leicester in 2005. I do not remember the name of the restaurant.<br /><br />We had a pleasant evening, just the three couples without the children."<br /><br />Fascinating that KATHERINA was sitting between Gerry and Dave she "thought" they were talking about Madeleine, she can't remember the conversation, they "seemed" to be discussing a scenario.<br /><br />After that she did nothing to report her concerns to any authority and she went for dinner with them again.<br /><br />How odd.<br /><br />Where are the original statements in English? There aren't any.<br /><br />Where is it on the official released PJ files. It isn't there.<br /><br />How odd. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-66694084731361001982017-04-14T19:03:58.023+01:002017-04-14T19:03:58.023+01:00@ Anonymous, 14 Apr, 08:14 Yes, exactly. These we...@ Anonymous, 14 Apr, 08:14 Yes, exactly. These were two experienced GPs, who both heard sexualised comments on more than one occasion. They stopped David Payne from bathing their children. Shame on you Ziggy for suggesting that they must have been in some alcoholic, drug-addled 'haze' Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-79222797521501593412017-04-14T16:00:15.242+01:002017-04-14T16:00:15.242+01:00Anonymous14 April 2017 at 08:14
''Ziggy a...Anonymous14 April 2017 at 08:14<br /><br />''Ziggy at 10 Apr, 1541 wrote: "But nowhere is it mentioned that Payne was talking about Madeleine. It's stated that he must have been - not was". Well, that's not quite right, so let's have the correct quote from Katharina Gaspar: I think both were talking about Madeleine. I can't remember the conversation in its entirety,''<br /><br />Not recalling a conversation verbatum is normal. The main thrust of my argument against the statement lacking validity is that-apart from there being no actual quotes from GM in the conversation-Madeleine's name isn't mentioned by Payne or GM. 'I think' ?<br /><br />'' I remember Dave saying to Gerry something about ‘she’, meaning Madeleine, ‘would do this’. ''<br /><br />Who says he meant Madeleine. He hadn't mentioned her name.Gaspar went on to relate the same or similar conversation and obscene gesture from a long time previous to the so-called conversation in the statement. Madeleine would have been a baby in the first instance.<br /><br />'' I always felt it was something very weird and that it was not something anyone should say or do. I looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to gauge their reactions". <br /><br />So what ? And what were their reactions ? She felt it was weird isn't the same as it is weird.But why is it weird ? That's her opinion and she doesn't even know who they were talking about( or who Payne was talking about as GM listened). <br /><br />''In evaluating the Gaspars' evidence, let's not forget the simple fact that Leics Police sat on their statements for 5 months, only releasing them to the PJ a couple of weeks after Goncalo Amaral was safely out of the way.''<br /><br />The Leics police sat on their arses even longer. They have a reputation for 'sitting' on things they want hidden, and not only the McCann case. Emails can take weeks to read, and months to forward. But i doubt they sat on it until Amaral was out of the way. Amaral wasn't pursuing a sexually flavoured crime. He was going with the idea that Madeleine was dead, had died in the apartment either accidentally or at the hands of someone who was then hidden by the parents along with the corpse. The Gaspar statement wouldn't have supported any of this.The Gaspar statement was the half drunken recollections and interpretaion made in hindsight that mentioned a one sided conversation that contained no names or facts of any worth. There's nothing to say that Payne wasn't referring to a woman they may both have known when making the gestures. Hindsight( post Madeleine's disappearance),rumour, and suspicion coloured her interpretation. What would she be able to say under oath when asked if Payne or GM mentioned Madeleine by name ? Or what she meant by 'i think' they were talking about Madeleine' even though her name hadn't been mentioned ?Realistically, even if the conversation was of the paedophile kind, would they have it at a social gathering ?<br /><br />The statement has been public property now for years. It doesn't matter if Leics police were sitting on it or not.SY have had plenty of time and opportunity to act. ZiggySawdustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-1697777755075835272017-04-14T14:49:46.784+01:002017-04-14T14:49:46.784+01:00From witness statement Arul Savio Gaspar 2007.05.1...From witness statement Arul Savio Gaspar 2007.05.16:<br /><br />"I only remember that Katherina saw the gesture at the time, I had forgotten the episode, it was never the subject of conversation. <br /><br />At the time I did not feel the gesture was referring to Madeleine."<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-39251729273270228762017-04-14T08:14:59.940+01:002017-04-14T08:14:59.940+01:00Ziggy at 10 Apr, 1541 wrote: "But nowhere is ...Ziggy at 10 Apr, 1541 wrote: "But nowhere is it mentioned that Payne was talking about Madeleine. It's stated that he must have been - not was". Well, that's not quite right, so let's have the correct quote from Katharina Gaspar: <br /><br />“One night, when all the adults, that is, from those couples I have mentioned above, were all sitting around on a patio outside the house where we were all staying. We had been eating and drinking ‘Berbers’. I was sitting between Gerry and Dave and I think both were talking about Madeleine. I can't remember the conversation in its entirety, but they seemed to be discussing a particular scenario. I remember Dave saying to Gerry something about ‘she’, meaning Madeleine, ‘would do this’. <br /><br />“While he mentioned the word ‘this’, Dave was doing the action of sucking one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, while with his other hand he was doing a circle around his nipple, with a circular movement around his clothes. This was done in a provocative way. There seemed to be an explicit insinuation about what he was saying and doing. I remember being shocked by that. I always felt it was something very weird and that it was not something anyone should say or do. I looked at Gerry, and also at Dave, to gauge their reactions". <br /><br />In evaluating the Gaspars' evidence, let's not forget the simple fact that Leics Police sat on their statements for 5 months, only releasing them to the PJ a couple of weeks after Goncalo Amaral was safely out of the way. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-21329336055267132272017-04-12T21:47:05.837+01:002017-04-12T21:47:05.837+01:00@ Anonymous12 April 2017 at 18:22
yes I wonder if...@ Anonymous12 April 2017 at 18:22<br /><br />yes I wonder if Brenda Blethyn, Julie Etchingham, Amanda Lamb, Kirsten O’Brien, Fiona Phillips, John Reiss, Alastair Stewart OBE and Martin Houghton-Brown will be there too? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-6051257251568912122017-04-12T18:22:41.971+01:002017-04-12T18:22:41.971+01:00Wonder if Kate will make a moral support appearanc...Wonder if Kate will make a moral support appearance this weekend on BGT?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-1559135915051438762017-04-12T08:24:20.571+01:002017-04-12T08:24:20.571+01:00Anonymous 11 April 2017 at 18:32
“The Smith famil...Anonymous 11 April 2017 at 18:32<br /><br />“The Smith family sighting and the dogs' findings. End of.”<br /><br />Would you kindly clarify what you are implying.<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />T<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-11946728898982632842017-04-11T21:13:28.442+01:002017-04-11T21:13:28.442+01:00@16:29
As for RH: To an extent, you are right.
As...@16:29<br /><br />As for RH: To an extent, you are right.<br />As for RM and the PJ files: OUTROS APENSOS 01 VOLUME 03?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-25239430071190996092017-04-11T20:57:52.484+01:002017-04-11T20:57:52.484+01:00'End of' what ?'End of' what ?ZiggySawdustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-25264421928988463902017-04-11T18:32:54.260+01:002017-04-11T18:32:54.260+01:00The Smith family sighting and the dogs' findin...The Smith family sighting and the dogs' findings. End of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-68363366016637805842017-04-11T16:29:13.518+01:002017-04-11T16:29:13.518+01:00Sadly Richard Hall's documentaries are not qui...Sadly Richard Hall's documentaries are not quite factual . Everyone should read the PJ files and check for themselves. Hall's research has many incorrections and not extracted from the facts. Since you mention Murat, he did not return to Portugal in a rush as claimed by many and there is no such mention in the files, he did not have any paedophilia material in his computer , rather a newspaper clip of a book review and so on. Tell you what, go to the PJ Files and substantiate what is claimed in the documentary with it. And I mean the PJ files, not media articles or links from facebook or forums. That is the problem with such documentaries or forums , people are getting the interpretation of events as facts and check no further. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-71517887726997442472017-04-11T15:54:42.336+01:002017-04-11T15:54:42.336+01:00Anonymous11 April 2017 at 11:04
Leave it alone no...Anonymous11 April 2017 at 11:04<br /><br />Leave it alone now.Post about the topic or the case.We don't know each other on here.It's sounds a bit weird to keep making 'personal' attacks regardless of how pointless they are. I've made a few points way above this post and on the most recent thread. You can challenge or correct those if you feel the need( like on a blog).ZiggySawdustnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-834822786084044829.post-12077532523616126442017-04-11T12:43:40.989+01:002017-04-11T12:43:40.989+01:00I see verdi is striking out bennett from history:
...I see verdi is striking out bennett from history:<br /><br />"by Verdi Today at 1:23<br />I thought Pat Brown was another one (Textusa and blacksmithbureau spring to mind) that claimed to withdraw from commentating on the Madeleine McCann case."<br /><br />Has verdi forgotten that bennett said that he would stop commenting as well.<br />----------------------------------------------------<br /><br />"by Verdi Today at 12:03<br />Apart from visiting Praia da Luz and having her photograph taken with Goncalo Amaral,"<br />--------------------------------------------------<br /><br />Has verdi forgotten that Brown also had her photo taken with bennett earlier on the same trip to PDL?<br /> <br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com