Can the anonymous author of the below posts, please please contact me at Rosalindhutton@aol,com. I promise absolute discretion and anonymity. I had intended to devote a blog to them, but my embarrassing technical skills led me to put the matter aside. Thankfully, the astute Teddy picked up on them, so apologies from me and many thanks to Teddy.
Meanwhile: highly recommended reading:
WARNING: Do not read if you are of a sensitive disposition or Hinge and Brackett.
There are dire warnings on the pass the smelling salts site of JATKY2. Apparently the text below is VERY DANGEROUS INDEED and the police have been informed! I am inciting readers to risk their lives apparently. It is presumed that readers of my blog are incapable of understanding that the scientific experiment described is very dangerous and was carried out by 'scientific individuals' in 'scientific circumstances'. It is academic research and I hope it will be of great value to one of those 'good cops' or 'good investigative journalists', so the truth can be discovered and Brenda's good name cleared.
To those reaching for the Valium or stretched out on the chaise longue, please learn to censor only yourselves, you will be a lot happier, trust me. Meanwhile just because you can't handle 'icky' topics, doesn't mean you can rule them off limits for others. We are discussing the suspicious death of a child and the suspicious death of an innocent woman. And bear in mind, if the naming and shaming of Brenda Leyland had been a success, all the rest of us, were next!
Whilst I appreciate they are sensitive souls, and in constant need of supervision on JATKY2, the rest of us are rarely, if ever, sent into a frenzy by something we read. We don't need or want Parental Guidance. Just as the maker of a popular song or film is not responsible for that one 60 million who goes on to commit suicide or a killing rampage after listening to their music or watching their film. A 'moment of madness' is usually an accumulation of a lifetime of anger and resentment and there is no way of predicting what can trigger it. It can be anything from The Evil Dead to Catcher in the Rye to Jane Austen (or is that just me?). The idea of protecting the public by censoring texts and art is ridiculous.
I am not inciting anyone to try out the experiment, I am merely publishing the result of an experiment that has been undertaken by a responsible contributor to my blog. Nowhere am I, or the author, encouraging anyone to try this themselves. And given the amount of hassle involved and the equipment needed, not to mention the expense, who the heck would want to? Again, another red flag, would a woman of 63 really go to all that trouble? I know I, and many women of my generation avoid technology like the plague.
Hi Ros. Before I commence I would just like to state that I did not know Mrs Leyland and never entered into any conversation with her on social media or elsewhere. In recent months I have been researching the inquests of Mrs Leyland. I have studied the findings of the inquest and I have questions to ask. Here’s a brief summary.
First the toxicology report. All drugs/meds were at therapeutic level except citalopram, I note one of the other drugs being amitryptyline, citalopram and amitryptyline are from the same category (anti depressants),(therapeutic duplication).Amitryptyline is a 1st gen anti depressant while citalopram is a SSRI.SSRI's are much safer in overdose than 1st gens. Why would one not opt for the more potent amitryptyline if taking an overdose?I would have expected the coroner(who is a qualified nurse) to ask the doctor if Mrs Leyland was prescribed both of these drugs. Although not unheard of it is rare that these 2 drugs be prescribed together. These 2 drugs taken together can cause serotonin syndrome/coma/death.(Drugs.com gives a major warning to both consumer and professional re the interaction). Next the iPad. "The iPad was open on the bed, Sarg T tapped/touched the screen, it came on, and the website mirrored the scene". From iPad user manual, “After 2 minutes non use the iPad falls into lock mode”. Thereafter you will need to do more than tap the screen to get it back on? Which model iPad was this? A/one of the many versions or B/one which has not been invented yet. Staying with the iPad>>"The website mirrored the scene”. I have looked at many of the self-deliverance/ euthanasia sites and I fail to see the scene,>>A lady lay on her back on a bed and cradling a gas cylinder. Instead I note the general instruction is to sit upright in a chair/on a sofa with the cylinder away from you. The inquest does not mention any exit bag/hood or other paraphernalia.
A look into the helium. The common party balloon helium cylinders (bright pinky/red ones)(colour was not mentioned at inquest) come in sizes of 0.25 cubic metres and 0.41 cubic mtrs. In court these cylinders were described as this big (holding hands apart) 10 or 12 inches tall, this would give me the idea that they were the smaller 0.25 cubic mtrs, (the larger are 17 inches tall with a 38 inch circumference).The question is this>>Is there enough gas in the 0.25 cubic mtrs to kill? Answer, yes there is, but this depends on method used. If one was inhaling this gas direct from the nozzle of a high pressure cylinder there is a high risk of suffering Barotrauma, no mention of this at inquest. I am sure you will agree that if you are breathing out you are not breathing in, it takes just as long to exhale as it does to inhale so without using exit bag method half the gas is escaping into thin air. It is recommended the gas flow should be 15ltrs per minute,(did Mrs Leyland have a gas flow reg fitted to measure the prescribed flow?),it is said that after 12 seconds of inhaling helium you will pass out, it then takes a further 12 to 13 minutes to kill. Let’s do the math:
1. 0.25 cubic mtrs = 250ltrs.250 ltr cyl at 15 ltrs per min= 16.66 mins running time,without exit bag half is escaping,you are left with 8.33 mins running time. 8.33 mins is not the required 12 to 13 mins. While researching I looked among the euthanasia/self-deliverance forums and found some interesting reading. A number of people on these forums who are seeking self-deliverance were saying that they had tried the helium method with exit bag and all the set up and failed. One such person said they had tried this more than 6 times and failed each time having woken up with bad taste on tongue and fingers and toes tingling. Another stated that they had connected three of these cylinders together and was unsuccessful. What was going wrong? From what I can gather since at least 2013 the common party balloon helium has been being contaminated with upto 20% O2 for the following reasons:- 1/ Abundance issues.
2/ To reduce the risk of harm to those who wish to talk like Donald Duck. I noticed on these forums that because of the unreliability of the helium that some were recommending the use of nitrogen (same effect) but it's not as readily available as helium (Argos, party shops don't sell it). One would most likely have to visit a stockist. I did a little research on a few of the selling sites and looked at customer reviews, here are a few:- 1/ "Was supposed to inflate 50 balloons but mine only did 25".<<(could be the balloons were bigger than 9"). 2/ "Won't be buying anymore of this, it only filled 1 balloon".<<(sounds like under filled or leaking cylinder). 3/ "It filled all my 15 balloons but they didn't seem to float for very long".<<(maybe due to the 02 content). Looking at these reviews it seems like hit and miss. There is much more to my research and testing of the helium and I would like to return and explain in more detail in the near future. Now on to the pathology report. The main issue being that the pathologist said that there is 'no test' for helium in UK ?? Do you think if someone of notability from UK was found in these circumstances there would be no test? If lesser developed countries know how to carry out this test then so does UK.>>At autopsy remove lung and place in bucket of water, tip bucket upside down into another bucket, gas will escape from lung and will form in bubbles on sides of bucket, take sample using syringe. To Test>>chemical toxicological analysis using gas chromatography combined with mass spectrometry. I found the details of this test described in a Romanian medical journal. If they know how so does UK.
It was interesting to note that no physical evidence was produced in court
to support cause 1b.
I will leave it at that for now. IMO something is not right, this inquest
needs looking into.
You will recall that in my previous comment I said that I would like to return and
give you more information on my research into the helium and the testing of it
so here goes.
After reading the self-deliverance sites and customer reviews of certain outlets I
decided to purchase 2 helium cylinders and put them to the test, I had to
employ the help of a very good friend of mine. Here’s what we did.
Firstly we got the map out and drew a 10 miles radius of Mrs Leyland's former
abode, we wrote the numbers 1 to 12 on the circle (as if a clock face). We
established 12 shops/outlets that sold helium evenly spread around the 'clock’,
the numbers 1 to 12 were put in a 'hat' and one was drawn at random, it was
number 8. We went our separate ways and visited each shop, I visited numbers
7 to 12 and my friend visited 1 to 6.Some shops stocked both sizes 0.25 cu mtr
and 0.41 cu mtr and some only stocked one or the other. In each shop we asked
if it was possible to have a look at one of the cylinders and all obliged. The
reason for this was to establish the colour of the cylinders and at all 12 shops
they were the 'bright pinky/red ones'. I purchased a 0.41 cu mtr cylinder from
shop number 8,(they didn't have the 0.25 cu mtr in stock).
Now for my second purchase.
During my research I came across a well known gas stockist who sold helium
and I inquired to them as to the purity of it, I was informed that it was 100%
helium. I purchased one of these online and it was delivered to me 2 days later.
This cylinder has its own registered name, it’s called the 'GENIE' and is blue in
colour, it has a digital gauge attached to it so you know how much is being used and a built in alarm to indicate when the gas is about to run out, wheels and a handle can be added for portability. It contains 45% more gas than the equivalent standard steel one. Cylinder number '8' is recyclable and the 'GENIE' is returnable. Next I made an appointment at a lab in Yorkshire to have both the cylinders I'd purchased analysed. I took both the cylinders there on the arranged date and was told to return one day later for the results,(a fee was paid for this service). The results. The GENIE was filled to stated capacity and had a content of 99.98% helium. The cylinder from shop no 8 was filled to stated capacity and had a content of 85.77% helium and 14.23% 02 (oxygen). Back home I inflated 2 x 9" latex balloons, one from each cylinder and allowed them to float to the ceiling, I used a sizing template to ensure both balloons were equal in size. The purpose of this exercise was to see how long it was before they started to drop. The 2 balloons were put in my spare bedroom where they remained for 2 weeks, I didn't check them again until the 2 weeks had lapsed. After this time period I rechecked and the balloon which was inflated from the GENIE was still touching the ceiling, the one from cylinder 8 had dropped about 4 inches and reduced in size slightly. At this stage both balloons were popped and disposed of. No further tests/experiments were carried out with the GENIE.A Further test was carried out with cylinder number 8 but before I get onto that I want to explain how these cylinders operate. They have 2 valves, TAP and TILT. The TAP is the main valve which you turn on then you press down on the TILT valve to release the gas. Now with the tap turned on I pressed down slightly on the tilt valve and gas was slowly released but a slight touch further and I got an
absolute blast,(not much control),had I had the valve pointing in my mouth at
this time I would most likely have done serious damage to my lungs
(BAROTRAUMA). The TILT valve/balloon inflator can be removed but I needed
the help of a spanner to slacken the nylon hex nut, I unscrewed it the rest of the
way by hand.
**So the scenario is that I'm lay on a bed cradling the cylinder, TAP open, I’m
pressing down on the TILT valve and inhaling the contents and after about 12
seconds I lose consciousness and due to losing consciousness I also lose bodily
function and due to losing bodily function I'm no longer able to press down on
the TILT valve so the flow of gas ceases. In my opinion the only way to ensure
uninterrupted flow of gas without having to touch the TILT valve is to remove it
or jam it open in some way.**
Even if one was using the exit bag/hood method it is essential to get the gas
flow rate right, too much pressure would result in the exit bag/hood blowing off
one’s head. Based on my research and testing it is my opinion that suicide by
helium is not an easy method.
The final experiment we carried out was as follows and I want to stress that
NOBODY should do this EVER,I was willing to take the risk,(that risk was partially
based on 1 and 2 below). I am physically fit, I don't drink alcohol, smoke or take
drugs. The test was carried out in a room in my home with the assistance of my
friend. The room size is 9ft w x 10ft l x 8ft h with one door (78"x30") and one
window (5ftx5ft) both door and window were shut (there is no air conditioning).
The TILT valve was removed from cylinder number eight and a flow regulator
was fitted and set at 15 ltrs per min. Although the cylinder I was using was the
larger one which is capable of some 27 minutes running time this test was
carried out for approx. 16.66 minutes as if it was the smaller 0.25 cubic mtr
cylinder. We set a webcam up in the room pointing to the upper half of the bed,
I lay on the bed cradling cylinder, the opening of the gas flow reg was about 7 or
8 inches from my face. The situation was that every 5 seconds I was to raise my left hand to the camera to signal that I was conscious, my friend was outside the bedroom door watching on a monitor, should I fail to raise my hand my friend would intervene. This experiment was completed and I felt no ill effects at all, I did wonder if I would feel some delayed symptoms the day after but again nothing. I will say that the only thing I did feel was a little aching of my left hand but I think this was due to the continual 5 second signalling to the camera, it was a long 16 minutes. I was a little edgy at the outset but knew that my friend was at the other side of the door and should I have failed the hand signal he would have terminated the test immediately. Again DO NOT TRY THIS!!!! I am aware that some would be of the opinion that the test we carried out could have proved dangerous. My lifelong friend who assisted me is from a medical background, means of resuscitation were in place. 1)The first thing the helium wants to do when released from the cylinder is to rise rapidly into the atmosphere, it is much lighter than air, sound travels through helium 3 times faster than it does through air. 2) In my opinion this method of self-deliverance without the use of exit bag/hood is a nonstarter, the added 02 rather defeats the object. Given my research into the inquest of Mrs Leyland and the tests/experiments I carried out and the possibility of the added o2 (in the case of Mrs Leyland) I am not convinced of (cause 1b). Sorry to repeat myself here but NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE was produced in court (no photo, no description of colour) and NO TEST for helium was carried out at autopsy. An inquest is there to provide answers, this inquest raised more questions than it ever gave answers. IMO had the coroner called on a jury, given the lack of evidence to support cause 1b, they would have returned a verdict of 'open'.
My research doesn't stop here. Both my friend and I have holidays coming up,
when we return we are going to see if it is possible to fill some of the blanks
from when we saw the doorstepping of Mrs Leyland to her being found
deceased at the Marriot. Should we have any success I will return and share
with you and your readers.
I wish Mrs Leyland eternal peace.
Thank you Ros.