Sunday, 12 March 2017

MCCANNS LATEST NEWS

UPDATE 13.03.17 -  PIERS MORGAN ON GMB

I see the odious Piers Morgan has leapt into the latest McCann fray, coming down firmly on the side of the parents and admonishing all those thousands of ordinary people out there who have the affront to question them.  He [Piers] interviewed Gerry and Kate and was completely suckered in.  If fingers start pointing in their direction, he will look even more of a buffoon than he did when he published those pictures of faked war crimes that led to the Mirror sacking him. 

With his multiple roles these days I wondered if he had been elevated to McCanns spokesman?  His guest Graham Hill, formerly of CEOP and associate of Jim Gamble, was naturally still flogging the 'botched investigation' and abduction line - let there be no doubt whatsoever, these two were telling us, the Portuguese were to blame.  

I actually find it hilarious that former Editor of the Mirror is quoting the nonsense of Tracey Kandhola word for word, 'one line of enquiry' etc, as if these headlines were coming straight from the horse's mouth.  If anyone should know about misleading headlines and misleading front pages, then Piers is your man!

He treats former Metropolitan Police officer Sue Hills, as if she were a hater of the McCanns and an abandoner of lost children.  Had he let her get a word in, he would have seen that she was trying to introduce some sanity by getting the case of Madeleine back into perspective.  Piers did his utmost to silence her as a voice for all the other missing children and all the other victims of crime, who have not received a fraction of the assistance given to the McCanns.  He really is the slimiest of creatures. 

However, on the plus side, as one of the most contemptible men in UK, Piers Morgan can only further damage the McCanns' credibility.   

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UPDATE  13.03.17

I've decided to add a new feature to my blog, pretty much continuing in the same vein as this one.  That is, I am going to challenge these fake news stories head on and name the purveyors of them. 

I seem to have missed the fake news story of Tracey Kandhola and Matthew Young in the Mirror yesterday.  These two have more detail than the rest, not least direct access into the minds of the officers working on Operation Grange. The police are convinced, Tracey and Matthew tell us, that a former worker at the Ocean Club 'knows a lot more than he told them'.  Wow, stop the press.  Had it been a Tapas group member knows a lot more etc, they would have had a story.

But I digress. Not only are Tracey and Matthew in the loop with Scotland Yard, but a Portuguese police source confirms the story.  Another source (don't know if it is British or Portuguese here) reportedly said 'there is just one person the detectives want to speak to'.  Really?  Just the ONE person?  This particular source sounds like a half wit. 

Did the British police source call Tracey up to let her in on Scotland Yard's thinking?  Did the Portuguese police source add, 'can you please try to make us look like a shower of corrupt imbeciles eager to get back to swigging wine and munching sardines. Thanks Trace, your a pal'.   

So far THREE anonymous sources for those trying to keep up.  'Senior Officers are said to have admitted 'this is the last throw of the dice'.  So senior officers too are confiding in Tracey and Matthew, despite the fact that only days earlier Scotland Yard stated they would not be releasing any details of the investigation.  The extra funding came after the new lead emerged T&M would have us believe.  So after 6 years and the full time engagement of 30+ homicide detectives, everything now rests on some fella who might be hiding a secret and hasn't had a mention in a decade.  Righto.  Perhaps Scotland Yard too, want Tracey to make them look like incompetent fools. 

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BBC - Madeleine McCann police funding extended for 6 months.

Detectives have been given another £85,000 to follow up just one more lead.


Sunday Express

Gives a bit more detail.  Apparently there is an international search underway to find one person.  Hmm.  In any event, Policing Minister Brandon Lewis is very keen to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann (as long as it is an abduction) and has happily signed off another £85,000 to the £11.1million already spent on Operation Grange, to give some kind of closure and justice to her family.   

Mirror - 11.03.17

Madeleine McCanns parents are ploughing £500k into investments (they won't name) in a desperate bid to keep the search for Madeleine going.  Reporter Patrick Hill helpfully tells us that the Madeleine Fund raised more than £3.7million, but most of it has gone on investigators and campaigns.  Ie. Not on people who criticise them.  He then tells us the Fund could be wiped out by a £400k legal bill or Goncalo Amaral might sue them. 

I don't know where he is getting his figures from, but the bill for their legal shenanigans in Portugal will come to a lot more than £400k!  The costs for the 9 month legal action of Katie Hopkins came to over £300k.  The McCanns have been fighting two sets of Defendants for almost 9 years - Patrick would have been more accurate if he added another couple of 00s onto that. 

Fair dues, the McCanns are doing a terrific job at pretending all is well, still aided and abetted it would seen by the Minister for Policing and the UK tabloids. A source for the McCanns said they have lodged papers with the appeal court so the prospect of paying anything out to Amaral is a long way off.  Ah, so they are not trying to hide their remaining money so the Portuguese Courts can't touch it then.  But they have confirmed they've pretty much got no intention of paying their debt to GA - ever. 

As for this one person?  My money is on Spider-Man or the Invisible Man, but in any event someone with the super powers to have gone undetected for 10 years, that is quite some feat.  Someone who can take the glare of Gerry and Kate during this difficult time. 

The REAL news is of course, Gerry and Kate have lost everything and no matter how sympathetically the tabloids paint them, the public will not be donating to their high price lawyers.  And there is no longer any pretence that the Fund is being used to search for Madeleine, in their recent threats to the non believers, they have made it quite clear that they will use the Fund to sue them.  In other news, their highly priced accountants Hays MacIntyre have resigned as auditors for the Madeleine Fund.  I guess if anyone would know how dire their situation is, it would be the accountants. 

So why another 6 months?  My 'assisting their overseas colleague' theory is right out of the window unless they are giving Gerry and Kate time in which to pay their debt to him, he has his victory, but not the cash.  I'm guessing however that the detectives of OG know G and K better than I, the money they owe to Goncalo will never be paid, willingly.  He would be wise to take out a legal Charge or he could end up at the bottom of any list of debtors.   

So what can £85,000 and a further 6 months achieve that £11.1million and 30 homicide detectives couldn't?  Methinks they are simply buying more time, but for what?


267 comments:

  1. My guesses...

    Scenario 1 : The 85 grand might be real or just a number plucked from the air( if they said a million too many people would be upset).What does it buy ? Either a group of 3 coppers for 6 months or some 'investigator'. A 'procurer', probably with some 'previous' will be nabbed.He'll say Madeleine was 'buried at sea' or somewhere he wasn't privy to knowing(he'd done his bit).

    Scenario 2 :

    I'd like to think an actual genuine 'perp' is lifted. I doubt that though.If they can specify 'one man' they can only do so if they have is ID in their handbags already.So , if this was genuine-Interpol would be alerted anyway; no need for extra funding or 'teams' .

    If the 'darker forces' conspiracy ever had weight( i still subscribe even though i have no evidence) it would be too much to expose.Therefore, the 'patsy' will take the pain.He'll be the Lee Harvey Oswald who's been behind the grassy knoll making magic bullets all this time .

    The result I suspect is the main thing.The aim, or goal.
    One man takes the fall.He tells the story.The story ends with the worst case scenario. He faces trial and gets convicted and the authorities accept he would have been kept in the dark with regard to those devils in the details.

    Just before the fat lady clears her throat, it is decided that Madeleine can be officially pronounced dead.That would clear Mr and Mrs McCann of all guilt, which, by the law of domino,would render Amaral's book null and void and cancel any plans he may have for suing anyone.

    ( Well I did tell you all no less than a month ago this would all be resolved far sooner than you think)


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    1. 03:59

      "If the 'darker forces' conspiracy ever had weight( i still subscribe even though i have no evidence)"

      If the party's supposed to be in the lounge, why are there so many in the kitchen? (Tony Blair, Cherie Blair, John Buck, Elizabeth Dow MBE, Bill Henderson, Angela Morado, Bell Pottinger, Mark Chitty, Gordon Brown...Have I forgotten anyone? Oh, and Clarence Mitchell).

      Even during the BHH regime the concern of Operation Grange (and Foreign Secretary, Margaret Beckett) was to 'resolve the issue' not solve the crime.

      You don't suppose all these notables (and Clarence) caught a sudden dose of philanthropy do you?

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    2. Anon 10:19

      .....Have I forgotten anyone?

      Yes, John Reid, Baron of Cardowan.

      It started with him, everyone else mentioned came after his intervention.

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    3. JJ @11:49

      If the NPIA are to be believed it all started with a call to the 'duty officer in Portugal' (whoever that may have been), but there's no objection from me over including John Reid in the Honours List above.

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    1. 2007...tick tock
      zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
      2017...tick tock
      LOL

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    2. If I were Gerry and Kate, I wouldn't be LOL-ing right now 06:50, because it looks as though Operation Grange are not going to close the file without a result.

      Bonkers Ziggy (thank you 11:36) may imagine a 'patsy' being lined up to take the fall, but that patsy will have to go through an entire criminal court hearing and the accusation against him will have to fit the existing evidence. Ie. It cannot be done.

      I agree 06:50 there has been much tick tocking over the years, but this time, the case really has reached the end of the line - there is only 6 months left.

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    3. End of the line or not, the Mcs are not, and wont be in the frame either from the uk or Pt.

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    4. "End of the line or not, the Mcs are not, and wont be in the frame either from the uk or Pt."

      Correct, but, for me, it seems unlikely that we will find out what happened to Madeleine.

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    5. Bonkers Ziggy (thank you 11:36) may imagine a 'patsy' being lined up to take the fall, but that patsy will have to go through an entire criminal court hearing and the accusation against him will have to fit the existing evidence. Ie. It cannot be done.

      BUT OH YES IT CAN!
      Just think Jo Cox and Lee Rigby . Trials ( sort of ) that gave nothing away. All the perpetrators had to do was say, ‘ Guilty M’Lud’ and that was the end of that. Justice seen to be done? Hardly and in the unlikely event of a McCann Patsy being delivered up for the masses, expect the same.

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    6. There is nothing whatsoever to compare the criminal trials of the murderers of Jo Cox and Lee Rigby. Both crimes were committed in 'plain sight' and there was no doubt as to the perpetrators.

      The Madeleine case is completely different. There is ten years worth of evidence, first the volumes of files prepared by the Portuguese police. Then there are the files of all the private detectives hired by the McCanns, and finally 6 years of investigations by Operation Grange. No-one is going to stand there and say 'Guilty M'Lud' and that's an end to it.

      Any 'patsy' put on trial for Madeleine's disappearance will bring details of the Portuguese investigation into their defence. And of course it will be for the Portuguese to bring the prosecution and the trial will be held in Portugal.

      Do you honestly think the Portuguese AG will stage a fake trial with a patsy in order to discredit themselves, whilst the British police bask in the glory?

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  3. "So what can £85,000 and a further 6 months achieve that £11.1million and 30 homicide detectives couldn't?"

    Over on Twitter they're also working themselves up over what is just finishing off the work that has lasted this long. I sometimes think the idiots don't want to know the truth. I guess they fear it won't be the truth they so desire. Very sad.

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  4. The McCanns are players in a different story.

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    1. 08:36

      Well Gerry did say once, 'Everyone is acting'

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  5. John Wright puts it well " the end game begins" a lot of the news reports focus on ministers and the prime minister. Remember Theresa May has been linked to this investigation from the start so she must end it.

    So what can £85,000 and a further 6 months achieve that £11.1million and 30 homicide detectives couldn't? Methinks they are simply buying more time, but for what?

    You answered your own question Ros their simply buying time, I'm convinced we are going to get the truth but can Britian handle the truth. In the words of the great Jack Nicholson Britian currently "........can't handle the truth" and some serious citizen management is required

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  6. Ziggy you talk some crap

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  7. McCanns ploughing half a million pounds into The Search. Now suddenly 'receive' more Met time. It doesn't match, does it?

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    1. @09:31

      No. But property remains a secure investment.

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    2. They've invested £500,000 for profit but not for any search.

      You carry on misleading people and we'll carry on correcting you. The motive is obvious.

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  8. Let me look at my calendar, oh, it's March. So look at £85k for six months, 2-3 police officers (refuse to use cops) working on the case and\or clerks combination, cheap! Will thi really get to September.

    So, we come to top PC Nichola Wall, been at it now over a year - must have reviewed, the review of the review of Redwood's work. The cross referencing, LP, PJ, Metodo, Halligen & Edgar et al, must have been done to death. Time me thinks for Nichola to step down, opppps I mean pushed up & out.

    Total crystal ball gazing after a few frenzy weeks of Dr Synott whacking the Trolls on the head, following the verdict out of Portugal & lodged 'frivolous' counter-claim.

    The accountants, now that is an area of intrigue when lawyers, PR gurus abound. Why didn't they just give informal notice to TM and write a PR version of the letter lodged on companies house. Smells, like the email account of CM dismissal - although he's still afloat - somewhere!

    Can't help but think WE HAVE SEEN ALL THIS BEFORE IN ONE GUISE OF ANOTHER.

    What might be a consideration is the the Fund very much supports promoting awareness, canvassing those who can help - that could include lobbying and for the MET at this time of the 10th would have been the worse form of PR for the situation.

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  9. https://twitter.com/RosalindaHu/status/840865189306220546

    Well done Rosalinda!

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  10. Madeleine McCann can always pop up. Today, tomorrow, whenever, wherever.
    The abductor has been alarmed now because the newspapers shout that the 'net' is closing. Come on, you Portuguese pervert. Free Maddie, so the parents can sell the biggest story ever to the highest bidder.
    What I simply want to emphasize is: how can you talk about an 'anniversary' when you don't know if she is still alive or not? The blood stains in 5a? The abductor murdered her, of course. Or no, no no, the PJ planted them, like the dead scent in the appt. and in the car, on Maddie's cuddle cat, some clothes of Kate, near to the closet shelf where some time before a ehm... sack was photographed that suddenly appeared not to be there anymore. Not to forget the body fluids in the Renault. And on and on...
    Can we have a break, please. Or no, I got a better idea. Let's start the MaddieMagazine, assembling all the latest news and non-news and news to come.
    A glossy, of course. What do you think, Rupert?

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    1. 10:43

      "Madeleine McCann can always pop up."

      Like in that early scene from 'Live and Let Die' d'you mean?

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  11. "Ziggy you talk some crap"

    LOL. I think there are two Ziggys. Mr MakesSense and Mr Bonkers. I can't imagine how he lives with himselves!

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      And neither of them can type worth a damn!

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  12. Ros's blog can sometimes be interesting, but Twitter's the place to be if you want to understand the madness around this case.

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    1. @12:02

      Yes, Twitter can bring forth some timely reminders, e.g., Jim Gamble's (2014) interpretation of what went down seven years previously:

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/01/british-police-competition-harmed-madeleine-mccann-investigation-home-office-report?CMP=share_btn_tw

      It includes such gems as:

      "When I carried out the scoping review there was no evidence that some of the critical information and the analysis of which could have led to intelligence and to leads had been followed up."

      ??? (No, I've not left words out - it's C/P'd from the original).

      According to The Guardian:

      'The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was hampered because British police forces competed against one another, according to the author of a secret Home Office report. (i.e., Gamble)

      'Relations with Portuguese authorities were damaged as UK agencies clamoured to get involved in the high-profile case...'

      So there was a clamour to get involved, eh?

      That's not the way the NPIA saw it. Their debriefing refers to a 'Gold Group command structure', established as if for a national incident. It included representation, ab initio, of all those agencies supposedly 'clamouring' to get on board.

      The Guardian again:

      'His unpublished report, which was commissioned by former home secretary Alan Johnson in 2009, also said the decision to put the McCanns' local force, Leicestershire constabulary, in charge of the operation was a mistake...'

      And you thought the investigation was being conducted by the PJ? It was taking place in Portugal after all.

      Gamble saves the best for last:

      "I genuinely believe that we will find out what happened in my lifetime. Relationships, loyalties change, and at some stage some person will come forward."

      I can't wait.




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    2. @16:27

      Neither can I.

      "Everyone came with best intentions," he [Jim Gamble] told Sky News. "That created a sense of chaos and a sense of competition, people putting their hand up and wanting to help, and in many instances, in my opinion, wanting to be seen to help."

      Not everyone wanting to be seen to help.

      And now some person will come forward?

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    3. Anonymous 12 March 2017 at 16:27

      “I can't wait.”

      Indeed, neither can I, even if from on high.

      T

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  13. @12:02

    GCHQ would prefer all the sheep to be in the same pen.

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    1. GCHQ? Don't be silly.

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  14. " by Get'emGonçalo Today at 2:36 pm
    Looking at the unmoderated comments on these never-ending Kandohla articles, in particular, I fear Clarence and Tracey are whipping up a dangerous frenzy of anger and hatred towards the McCanns - and it's not a good situation for the twins, especially if some of the kids' parents are angry towards the McC's and they pick up on it.

    Kids can be little buggers and some don't need much excuse to bully.

    For Gods' sake Clarence and Tracey...give it a rest for the sake of the kids. And it's not just the twins...even the Tapas crew have kids and all of them are affected by the McCann's scam to a varying extent. How would you feel if your own kids were on the receiving end of all this rubbish?"

    Can you believe the owner of the biggest Mccann cesspit that has stalked everyone involved in the case and has posted the most outrageous theories pretending to be "research" now pretends to show concern for the twins!!!

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    1. Totally agree with you 16:19, it does appear the McCann spin team have totally lost the plot. With Bennett and the cesspit, decency and morality long since left the building.

      What they don't seem to realise is that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. The case of missing Madeleine gave Bennett and his ilk the opportunity to pry into the lives of the middle classes. He's the cyber equivalent of a peeping tom, tormented by the thought that the rest of the world is having more fun than he is, and he wants to put a stop to it.

      Ooooh, don't get me started 16:19, lol.

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  15. Anonymous12 March 2017 at 09:20

    ''Ziggy you talk some crap''

    And you're Bertrand Russell, aren't you. Great contribution.

    Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton12 March 2017 at 11:54

    ''Bonkers Ziggy (thank you 11:36) may imagine a 'patsy' being lined up to take the fall, but that patsy will have to go through an entire criminal court hearing and the accusation against him will have to fit the existing evidence. Ie. It cannot be done''

    As one of the thousands online who 'know' what happened, who did it and how, and who even dispute the scientists conclusions and media spin -(yet still haven't seen the McCanns charged and put in jail),you should know better than to say what 'can' and 'cannot' be done. Ten years of 'obvious' has gone nowhere. If this is coming to the final act( emphasis on 'if') it would be unwise to write anything off.Why would a ten year farce end logically ?
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    Anonymous12 March 2017 at 11:36

    "Ziggy you talk some crap"
    LOL. I think there are two Ziggys. Mr MakesSense and Mr Bonkers. I can't imagine how he lives with himselves!''

    Anonymous12 March 2017 at 12:22

    @11:36

    ''And neither of them can type worth a damn!''

    Now, now ladies. This blog isn't about me.If you can't be humorous or contribute to the topic, play somewhere else.Grown ups are talking.

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      Can we help it if you two don't have a sense of humour?

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    2. "I think there are two Ziggys. Mr MakesSense and Mr Bonkers. I can't imagine how he lives with himselves!"

      You didn't find this humorous!

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  16. Ziggy I hate to tell you this but your Scenario 1 and 2 are exactly the same but end with a patsy. Why the need to split it into 2 scenario. If you are so certain about the McCann innocence why have you no faith the police will get the right guy

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  17. Hi Everybody
    I do need to inform all of you who comment on this blog, that I’ve just returned from a trip 6 months into the future, and I just wished to say, that neither Madeleine nor her abductor had then been found.

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    1. Send me a private message with the next three weeks' lottery numbers, Bjorn, then I'll believe you!

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  18. Anonymous12 March 2017 at 19:23

    ''If you are so certain about the McCann innocence why have you no faith the police will get the right guy''

    As i've said a few times, I'm not 'certain' of anything with regard to who did what with Madeleine..That's why i don't advance any theory and claim it as fact.I find that it's always best to question everything and everyone and weigh up probabilities.

    If, for instance, you go with the in crowd and sing the same old songs( 'the 48 questions' 'the dogs don't lie' etc) you have to then sing a song that calls scientists and detectives liars.Which then begs the question- why would they lie ? What did they have to hide and why ?So that sort of begins to crumble if you think the detectives and scientists were playing a straight game.So, if the DNA/blood/cadaver odour is NOT considered evidence, it makes the abduction story look more realistic.

    If you believe the police and those higher up are party to a cover up, again, you have to ask why ? What is SO important that so many have to 'hide' the McCanns-two Brits abroad ?The infamous fund and the PR factory, the MSM, all constructed as a fort of defence.For two doctors. Rubbish if you look at it in the cold light of day.It isn't about political point scoring either. Britain can boast a convict or ten in most European countries and beyond.Where were their funds and PR men ? Where was the MSM obsession ? Where were the MP's and PM's ?

    The McCanns have been in the firing line from early.The case has been still ever since.I think the defence given and funded by political characters is due to them knowing that they were putting them there; as long as people think it's them and scrutinise dead evidence and resort to imagining all the 'subconscious' signals they give out that confirms their evil and keeps all eyes in the wrong direction. Why would politicians be party to that ? How would any police force, politician, or our 'image' abroad really suffer if the McCanns were jailed ? Simple answer is it wouldn't.

    Had they( police) used the dogs evidence etc it would all be done and dusted by now.History.They were prevented from doing that.So who had most to gain from that ? The McCanns is the knee -jerk answer.But, as they aren't allowed to interfere with the evidence, it's the wrong conclusion.But the result has been to have two perfect red herrings. It's almost if the powers that be are scared to prosecute over here.What or who are they scared of ? What and who do the McCanns know ? They - and we- know they won't be prosecuted and that's for sure....

    I have no faith in the police getting the right guy because of the time that's passed. Any 'intelligence' about likely child traffickers or paedophiles hasn't suddenly and magically appeared as the ten year anniversary approaches.It's time to tie up loose ends.A nice round figure.Whoever has been hidden will likely stay hidden.I believe that all the funding, MSM obsessing,and political interference has been part of a bigger picture that would likely be connected to yet another 'respected and powerful' person of power.Politicians don't give a shit about Mr and Mrs J Public, whatever the class- not to this extent.I think, if this lead is(finally) a genuine one, it will be a procurer.Murat's still not out of the woods for me, but we'll see.

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    1. Your theory that when this cases closes in 6 months, there will be no result remains wide open Ziggy. If the intention of Operation Grange had been to close the file without any definitive answers, they could have done so long ago. Why keep asking for further funding?

      The final cost of the Madeleine investigation will top nearly £12million in a time of austerity. If they haven't solved the crime in 6 months they will be pilloried, by the public, if not the press. They will also have to explain all the top ups they have had to continue with the investigation, including this latest one.

      I do not foresee a simple explanation, like the one recently given by British police in the Ben Needham case.

      The tractor man theory has gone round the block several times in the case of Madeleine, but not for about 3 years. Had it been feasible, Operation Grange might have closed back then without the necessity for any criminal trial.

      I honestly do not see how Operation Grange can end in 6 months time without any sort of closure for the family or the Tory party who gave it the go ahead. Or indeed, how it can account for the £12million spent and the massive amount of resources dedicated to this one case.

      The review was opened with a fanfare of tabloid front pages, the 'big boys' - Scotland Yard were stepping in to solve the botched investigation of their Portuguese counterparts. Announcing in 6 months time that they actually know less about Madeleine's disappearance than the PJ, will be humiliating. And the eyes of the world, and their police forces, will be watching closely.

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    2. Should add Ziggy, there is one aspect of Operation Grange that you consistently overlook. That is, the agony of the parents in 'not knowing'.

      If, as you and many others believe, the parents are completely innocent, then how cruel is it of Scotland Yard not to have officially ruled them out of their enquiries? All the while the investigation is underway, Gerry and Kate are hanging in limbo. They have nothing from the police to support their abduction story and nothing to rule them out.

      I've said it all along, Gerry and Kate are made of pretty stern stuff, but it must be hell living under a constant police investigation. You only have to look at the relief they felt when the Portuguese investigation was shelved and they were released from Arguido status. The Gerry and Kate in the Expresso interview have had a huge weight lifted from them.

      Gerry and Kate are not acting in any way relieved just now Ziggy. They are in fact acting like a pressure cooker about to explode. Their angry outbursts and threats show them to be under a huge amount of stress. People who are happy and secure couldn't care less what others say about them, and certainly wouldn't waste any of their precious time on it.

      If Scotland Yard believe there was a 'procurer' Ziggy, then it would be horribly cruel to prolong the parents' agony for another 6 months. And indeed, to waste anymore of Madeleine's Fund on a search.

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  19. Björn12 March 2017 at 19:43

    ''Hi Everybody
    I do need to inform all of you who comment on this blog, that I’ve just returned from a trip 6 months into the future, and I just wished to say, that neither Madeleine nor her abductor had then been found.''

    Who won the European Champions Cup -Barcelona i hope...

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  20. Whilst some might think this case could draw to a conclusion by thinking outside the box. I'm of the opinion that the case is actually contained very much within it.
    I for example actually believe from experience, that Oscar Pistorious mistook what heard as an intruder & Reeva was still in bed\or it just didn't occur to him she had got up - of course I don't easily accept the killing of someone by shooting through a door, but not the point I'm trying to make.
    Madeleine's disappearance is only complicated by man's inability - of not being able to see beyond their nose & preconceived ideas.
    This is not intended to be a convoluted riddle, but to take a look at the obvious before it got clouded with the layers of intrigue.
    Equally, going back to the night in question with the frantic search parties, what were they looking for? Again, think if you there. You are told, a little girl has gone missing.
    It's not a question that nothing is as it appears to be. But more an issue that it was exactly that.

    I could lay out a scenario, but that would be too easy. You would dismiss, better to give some thought yourself.

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    1. I'm sorry 22:06, but you have lost me! And I have had a couple of go's.

      I'm intrigued, but you will have to explain it as if I were 4 years old!

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  21. "I could lay out a scenario, but that would be too easy"

    OR "You could lay out a scenario, and that would be clearer.

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    Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton12 March 2017 at 23:38

    ''Your theory that when this cases closes in 6 months, there will be no result remains wide open Ziggy.. Why keep asking for further funding? ''

    Why was any asked for in the first place.You, me, everyone has called it a circus from day 1 .The greatest show on earth.Many acts and much funding was to follow and they haven't stopped yet.If you remember, on one of your recent threads, it was me who brought up how disgusting it was that it was happening as austerity measures was the new rock and roll for the Government.When Cameron was intsalled, he came up with the phrase 'war fund'.He said it had been 'found' in the coffers of the MoD.Really ?Bullshit.That was to placate tax payers.How did he know a war lay ahead if Madeleiene could be found any day ?That's the smoking gun that is evidence of the Governmenet preparing for the long haul.How did they know ?This 85 grand is the headline.It brings the attention.It's 'prepping' the public.

    ''I do not foresee a simple explanation, like the one recently given by British police in the Ben Needham case. ''

    There can't be a reasonable or simple explanation after the cost and the time involved.The tractor story Re Ben Needham is like Harrison's 'probably in the sea' story for Madeleine.It's 'oh well, we give in'.On the Needham case- where are the 99.99% stats ? The ones that say it's always someone in the family or close to it ?No explanation will suffice with regard the money spent on this case.Police have far more in their arsenal these days to need so many 'outside' experts and investigators.Interpol get a salary for this kind of thing.

    The announcements that SY were coming in like the cavalry was more bullshit.Our met can't point the finger at any other police force.We're still learning of their corruption, lying and covering up in tandem with various governments here over decades.Why aren't they still looking for Jill Dando's assassin, by the way ?They were sent in to spin the story of the incompetence of the PJ and were trading on their history, nothing more.Those above them come up with the idea after politicians had met. Evidence started to be discredited along with the Amaral and the PJ.They've looked woeful ever since with their 'age progression' fairy tales and 'sightings' .Its all part of the greatest show on earth.The tabloids are no more than fly posting for the global audience.

    ''If, as you and many others believe, the parents are completely innocent, then how cruel is it of Scotland Yard not to have officially ruled them out of their enquiries?''

    Once again...i have never claimed that anyone is 'completely innocent ' or 'completely guilty'.I claim they 'could' be innocent and have to go by the official line that the evidence that could potentially incriminate them has been discredited by police forces and scientists.The anti-McCanns repeat ad nauseam 'dogs don't lie'. I agree. But people do and often. Shouldn't the anti-McCann army have the testicular fortitude to complete that mantra and say ''dogs don't lie, so the scientists must have' ? Because If the dogs didn't lie, someone after them did. Who, why-what was the motive ?

    ''They have nothing from the police to support their abduction story and nothing to rule them out.''

    The McCanns don't have to prove a negative.The police do.The parents can't say ''what-you wan't us to show you how we didn't do it ?'' can they ?But the police can say''you did do it and we're going to expose how and the evidence is our witness''

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    1. You keep saying the McCanns don't have to prove a negative Ziggy, but they do if they want people to believe them. It's all very well taking the higher ground, but where has it got them? That big auld cloud of suspicion that hangs over them has got much bigger, and much thicker, since 2007.

      Hiding behind spokesmen,'sources' and anonymous trolls for 10 years hasn't done them any favours Ziggy. They appear as though they are arrogant, aloof and almost definitely hiding something.

      Legally, they are of course entitled to stand back and say 'prove it', but it won't endear them to anyone. If they can't and won't challenge and disprove the finding of the PJ and Goncalo Amaral, then the public will make their own minds up. Commanding them to accept the abduction story with nooooo evidence, simply won't ever work.

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      "The McCanns don't have to prove a negative.The police do."

      Tricky. But not impossible, despite Gerry McCann's proclamation to that effect.

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    3. Hi Ziggy and others
      You write Ziggy "Because If the dogs didn't lie, someone after them did. Who, why-what was the motive ?"

      Gerry McCann may have a very good motive Ziggy.

      I just want to emphasize, why the dogs are so important, and that’s not just for their findings, but because they also, indirectly, reveal much about whom the McCanns really are.

      A lot of the McCanns’ statements are made a long time after the events of May 3rd 2007, and much of it either contradicts what’s in the P J files, or there’s nothing in the P J files to confirm what they've later said.

      When Gerry McCann is being questioned as a suspect, he’s asked what he thinks about the dogs’ findings.

      ”When confronted with the fact that Madeleine's DNA was collected from behind the sofa and in the boot of the vehicle and analyzed by a British laboratory, situations also described before, he says that he cannot explain” (from the P J files)

      Given that the investigation had leaked information about the cadaver dogs’ findings, Gerry must have expected, that he would be asked questions about the scent of death and similar things, so he could at least then have said something about the twins being fond of Sea Bass. Or just a word about having driven around with rotten meat or smelly garbage in their rented car, but he couldn’t remember anything about that until after he had made
      his own research about sniffer dogs and their “unreliability”.

      Then he clearly remembers what he couldn’t remember when he had the chance to give a direct and honest answer. Of course, I cannot prove that Gerry is lying, but whatever happened that sinister night in apartment 5A at the Ocean Club in PDL, it wasn’t an orgy of fish eating followed by a cosy picnic ride a few weeks later in a car full of smelly household waste and rotten meat. Who can possibly believe all of the McCanns’ fantasies, or the one I’ve mentioned here?






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    4. There's nothing the McCanns can do or say to convince the idiots on social media and in tabloid comments of their innocence.

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    5. 16:25

      Correct! And not just the idiots.

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    6. Hi Anon 14 March 2017 14:01
      An excellent surprising punch right in the face of an idiot, who really deserved it, but didn't see it coming, I suppose.

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    7. Anonymous 13 March 2017 at 16:25

      “There's nothing the McCanns can do or say to convince the idiots on social media and in tabloid comments of their innocence.”

      Not necessarily so: the McCanns can attend a reconstruction of the events of 3 May, take lie detector tests and answer questions.

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    ''Gerry and Kate are not acting in any way relieved just now Ziggy. They are in fact acting like a pressure cooker about to explode.''

    I have to use the dirty word again, Ros, sorry - empathy.Consider for a minute that they just might be telling the truth.Ten years has been Hell.If they think it's about to close and someone is about to be nabbed, they couldn't have been told Madeleine's been found alive could they ?The 'suspect' will be nabbed as either a killer or procurer.How would you feel ?

    ''Their angry outbursts and threats show them to be under a huge amount of stress. ''

    As above.

    ''People who are happy and secure couldn't care less what others say about them''

    There's two kinds of people who don't get to enjoy that luxury.One kind has lost their child the other is someone constantly accused of a murder for which there is no tangible evidence or witnesses .

    ''If Scotland Yard believe there was a 'procurer' Ziggy, then it would be horribly cruel to prolong the parents' agony for another 6 months. And indeed, to waste anymore of Madeleine's Fund on a search.''

    That depends. If they thought she'd been stored in a fridge, freezer,taken by burglars, a desperate childless couple or a Belgian child trafficking ring, then you can bet your life that a procurer would have been considered in a few of those scenarios. We know now, and are still learning, that many pillars of society and important, highly placed members of various parliaments and 'families' have a penchant for small children. Savile was a procurer for decades of Tory politicians and he's only one example.If Scotland Yard, during those decades, were aware( which they and various forces around the country are now admitting), then it could be a powder keg.

    As a sort of aside, i have a recent addition to my imaginary 'blokes i'd love to have a pint with'.It's a common version of the 'perfect dinner guests from history' game. He is Lt Joe Kenda of 'Homicide Hunter' fame( CI channel).It's not just his impressive success rate as a homicide detective, it's his way of thinking and his delivery( ''well, my my my'').If you haven't watched him, i recommend it highly. He was asked for a brief comment on the JonBenet investigation and he came up with an analogy i like :

    '' When you look at a crime scene, it's a bit like watching a spinning top on a table.It spins and spins and you watch closely.If someone touches it, it flies off and lands on the floor.It's over. That's what happened at the JonBenet home that night.''

    I thought about 5A. The about JonBent.Then about the the Lindbergh baby.

    Linbergh took over the police investigation and stopped them dealing with the ransom demand.He used his status, popularity and connections.A German patsy went to the chair for that. JonBenet's investigators were replaced and dubious decision were made by the local DA. The PJ were replaced after covert talks among politicians. The Greatest Show On earth...roll up, roll up...




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    1. It is because I have empathy that I can see the sheer misery the McCanns must be living with Ziggy. Even if they are innocent, living under a police investigation 24/7 must be comparable to prison. As long as the investigation is live, Gerry and Kate are not in the clear. How could anyone be relaxed and carefree in those circumstances?

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    2. "It is because I have empathy that I can see the sheer misery the McCanns must be living with Ziggy. Even if they are innocent, living under a police investigation 24/7 must be comparable to prison."

      There's no misery. It's 10 years since M disappeared. Don't think that because you and others spend all day commenting and regurgitating on the case, that the McCanns are similarly engaged.
      They are not living under a police investigation. You totally fail to understand what their lives are now like.

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  24. Anonymous12 March 2017 at 22:06

    ''I for example actually believe from experience, that Oscar Pistorious mistook what heard as an intruder & Reeva was still in bed\or it just didn't occur to him she had got up''

    That lunatic should have stretched a rope.

    http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2013/06/oscar-pistorius-murder

    a riddle-free read.

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  25. Ziggy 20:40 you didn't answer my question. You don,t believe there has been a cover up. You don't believe there was political interference. You don't believe in the dogs. You don't believe the LP interfered and hampered the investigation. All because they had no reason to protect to chav doctors.

    Then why do you believe that SY In an unsolvable will go for a patsy why not just say that they can't solve it???? Don't you think that if it was unsolvable that would have been apparent a long time ago. I mean presumably budgets in such cases as this are only approved on evidence of process which is why when the police get to stalemate in a missing person case, or any case it has to be archived until more information is available to allow officers to focus resources on other areas were a result is likely. Is that not what happened when in Portugal. Why would it be different in this case????. How many times did we here that the Shannon Mathews case cost £3.4m and there was a result in that one yet budget holders were constantly throughout reminding them of the costs. Ben Needham didn't even reach the half million and yet the stopped the investigation without finding his body. Why would that be ziggysawdust???. No I think the case is solvable there will be know patsy and the money has been devoted because Britians name has been so damaged because all the things you said didn't happen actually did happen and a full investigation to those as well as the events of May 3rd required the resources devoted to it. To use the words of Blacksmith. Truth can be hard to find.

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  26. IMO every so called 'article' in the MSM is written with a reason. At the time, when I was working as a regular and freelance journalist in my country, the Dutroux case was hot. Even the -ahum- serious press, including its 'investigative journalists', always told the same stories. One of the key people in the case, Michel Nihoul, played the game following the classic PR -read: spinning- rules: now you say this, then you say that. But what you throw to the press has nothing to do with misleading 'the people'. It's meant as a message to him/her/those you want to reach, by repeating: "You know what I know".
    At the time some ex-collegues of mine referred to that other mysterious case in our history: the so called 'gang of Nivelles', responsible for several deadly shootings in shopping malls without any plausible reason (and certainly not for the money). Another story, but with the same message: "You know what we know".

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    1. Thank you for posting 09:31, it seems even the most democratic countries do not have a truly free press. I was about to say, I remember anything goes swinging 60s when the papers were more honest. But that is probably just nostalgia and naivety on my part.

      I do however, very much feel there is a cat and mouse game going on here. I remember Jim Gamble using the same technique when assisting Gerry and Kate with one their campaigns. That is, he was looking into the camera and putting the fear of God into the 'abductor' and anyone shielding them. The six month deadline may well be a 'your last opportunity to come forward and cut a deal' message.

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  27. There is absolutely no evidence that the British police were/are playing a straight game.

    From the very start they deceived the PJ by meeting the Mccanns on Saturday 5th May. They had no jurisdiction then to interfere and nothing has changed.

    Why does anybody think the PJ are helping OG show they, the PJ, didn't have a clue and only the Brits can solve it.

    90k pays a couple of plonks monitoring the remaining blogs in case anyone gets too close.

    In September it will be extended again and so on. 12 million to cover up politicians stupidity, is peanuts, absolute peanuts.

    People mention scientists. If the Forensic Science Service was the best in the world, why did Teresa May close it down and so very quickly.

    OG is not and never has been anything but a sham. It has no jurisdiction or power to investigate a missing child in Portugal.

    Scotland Yard do not have the authority to rule anybody in or anybody out. It is not their case.

    Everything we see is bluster and media speak.

    Who is promoting this latest nonsense?

    Tracey Kandolethecrapout.

    I rest my case.

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      "There is absolutely no evidence that the British police were/are playing a straight game."

      And plenty of clues they are playing a crooked one.

      "Why does anybody think the PJ are helping OG show they, the PJ, didn't have a clue and only the Brits can solve it."

      Not sure they are personally, but a thought occurred to me earlier today (yes, my one for the week) that if OG are intent on looking for a 'squealer' in Portugal, they could be about to make yet another attempt at passing the parcel:

      Former OC employee 'grasses' on burglars. Cressida of The Yard announces - 'There you are. At last we know what happened' = Closure of OG, closure for parents, closure of the fund, and the Portuguese can bring a case if they so wish - it's their jurisdiction. Of course if they choose not to then we can continue bad mouthing them with impunity.

      "If the Forensic Science Service was the best in the world, why did Teresa May close it down and so very quickly."

      It was rumoured to be loss-making. So what? I don't believe the losses extended to £12+ million. A turn-around under new management was not impossible. Anyway check this lot out if you please (commercial sector I know, but similar principles apply):

      https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4DSGT_enGB519GB519&q=company+chief+gets+bonus+despite+losses

      "Scotland Yard do not have the authority to rule anybody in or anybody out. It is not their case."

      See comment above, and up-thread concerning Gamble's 2014 media pronouncements, where he speaks as if the UK were leading the investigation. (Well that is a kind of Mephistophelian reality).

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    2. It is hard to disagree with your obvious truths JJ, but I am still trying to cling onto the belief that that there are good cops out there! We could well be watching a particularly excruciating game of cat and mouse, it's the not knowing that is so darn vexing!

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      "I am still trying to cling onto the belief that that there are good cops out there!"

      There are. They chipped in a grand for GA's defence.

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  28. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton13 March 2017 at 09:22

    '' all very well taking the higher ground, but where has it got them?''

    Given the choice of a cell in a prison, or the freedom to get on with your life and bring up your remaining kids- where would you rather be ? Pleading your innocence isn't taking higher ground.

    ''That big auld cloud of suspicion that hangs over them has got much bigger, and much thicker, since 2007''

    The suspicion of who ? If you're reaching to suggest two police forces-what's stopping them acting on their suspicions ? If you're talking about welders, shelf-stackers and taxi drivers with an internet connection- that's not important. They're a law unto themselves, not the law.

    ''Hiding behind spokesmen,'sources' and anonymous trolls for 10 years hasn't done them any favours Ziggy.''

    If you think they called for Clarence you're kidding yourself.They didn't hide behind him, he was put in front of them. By who ? And why ?

    ''They appear as though they are arrogant, aloof and almost definitely hiding something.''

    Every photograph tells you more than a story then. Is that part of the above mentioned 'thick cloud' by any chance ?

    ''If they can't and won't challenge and disprove the finding of the PJ and Goncalo Amara''

    I believe it was 'put up or shut up' KM said to soon-to-be author Amaral.He wrote a book.He can't prove in printed words what he failed to do when he was in charge of the investigation. The book is the new bone for haters to chew on.Bless 'em.

    ''Commanding them to accept the abduction story with nooooo evidence, simply won't ever work.''

    'Noooooo evidence' has seen them walk free for ten years.I doubt the neurotic gnashing of teeth by the public( or online anger junkies mainly)is of much worth to them-or anyone else who had to accept that the dna/blood/dogs evidence was cast to one side by policemen and scientists.I wonder why they did that ? You know ? Anyone out there know ? What were their motives ?

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    1. Do you honestly call that freedom Ziggy? for most of us it would be a living hell. What I mean by higher ground is their refusal to explain themselves while still demanding the public believe them. It doesn't work for dictators and it doesn't work for the McCanns.

      Whilst you mock those who are suspicious of the parents as blue collar workers with access to the internet, clearly it bothers the McCanns a lot. Why else would they be throwing around threats that non believers will be reported to the police or in receipt of a Writ from Carter Ruck?

      Your theory that Clarence Mitchell was somehow forced on them is absurd. Gerry and Kate are not vulnerable adults Ziggy, in fact one of their most outstanding features is their (joint)assertiveness.

      Goncalo Amaral did 'put up' Ziggy, to such an extent that the McCanns have spent their entire fortune and 10 years trying to make him and his book disappear. Kate may have thrown down the gauntlet, but she ran and hid when GA accepted the challenge.

      Have they been 'free' for 10 years Ziggy? I personally could not imagine a more constricting prison than the one the McCanns have made for themselves.

      As for the rest of that paragraph you really do have skew whiff view of the policemen and scientists. Neither the policemen or the scientists have cast to one side the findings of the dogs. That the McCanns haven't been prosecuted doesn't mean there was NO evidence, it means there was not ENOUGH evidence to prosecute at that time. In other countries it would have been.

      Your constant prodding of the police btw is bizarre, it's like you want to wind them up? Are you sure you are not Gerry? lol.

      Detectives the world over have to live with cases they cannot prove Ziggy. I can't even begin to imagine how vexing that must be, but in order to stay sane, it must become part of the job.

      I watch masses of real crime documentaries on YouTube Ziggy, and in so many cases, years and even decades can go by before a suspect can finally be nailed. Happily, police forces the world over have dogged, and determined, old cops like Goncalo Amaral and perhaps even new ones like the officers of Operation Grange who never forget the victims. It might just be that Operation Grange have fought to keep the investigation live for a reason.

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  29. Anonymous13 March 2017 at 08:05

    ''Ziggy 20:40 you didn't answer my question. You don,t believe there has been a cover up. You don't believe there was political interference. You don't believe in the dogs. You don't believe the LP interfered and hampered the investigation. All because they had no reason to protect to chav doctors.''

    What's this ? I don't believe what ? I think you've missed most of what i've maintained throughout- there have been cover ups.That's slightly different to ''i don't believe there were cover ups' if you look closely. I said i believed the dogs( again, the opposite of what you're suggesting i said) after i saw them 'perform'. But when the scientists and dog trainer didn't accept their findings as evidence I had to believe them.'Scientists don't lie' (do they ?)
    There's no such thing as a 'chav doctor' by the way.

    ''Then why do you believe that SY In an unsolvable will go for a patsy why not just say that they can't solve it???? ''

    There are crowds of haters already whining about the cost. How well would' we give up' go down ? A patsy can be useful.

    ''Don't you think that if it was unsolvable that would have been apparent a long time ago.''

    Yes and it was -and still is. But unsolveable is one thing-covering up is another.

    ''I mean presumably budgets in such cases as this are only approved on evidence of process ''

    Yes, you're right.But you're talking about normal circumstances.Nothing about this case has been, or ever will be, 'normal'.

    '' Ben Needham didn't even reach the half million and yet the stopped the investigation without finding his body. Why would that be ziggysawdust???''

    Don't look at me- i had nothing to do with it.This is the Madeleine McCann case and I noted the same thing myself.As i said, this is no normal case.

    ''No I think the case is solvable there will be know patsy and the money has been devoted because Britians name has been so damaged ''

    Britains name has been damaged for a lot more and for a lot longer.I admire your patriotism but you have to be realistic.The 'great' fell out of Britain in the 70s.

    ''all the things you said didn't happen actually did happen and a full investigation to those as well as the events of May 3rd required the resources devoted to it. To use the words of Blacksmith. Truth can be hard to find.''

    All what things ? What are you on about ? It's been good money thrown after bad to keep the show on the road.The truth can be hard to find ? It can be hard to hide too.It can be even harder to keep it hidden.It takes a lot of money, a lot of people in high places, and a lot of media spin.Oh, hang on a minute....

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  30. Ros,this suspect the press are going with an ex worker at the resort the mccanns stayed if there was any truth in this no way would the media know anything about it.i am right arnt i?police don't give out that sort of information that's a fact!this case is like no other.

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    1. The police have just, quite literally, said they are not releasing any details of the investigation John! Like Moita Flores says in post below, it should all be taken with a large dose of salt. As usual this latest news comes from an anonymous source - maybe one of the multiple personalities of Clarence Mitchell or an irate McCann sister!

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  31. http://portugalresident.com/%E2%80%9Cback-to-the-ocean-club%E2%80%9D-maddie-cops-focus-on-%E2%80%9Cmissing-resort-worker%E2%80%9D

    "In Portugal, the revelations have been greeted with a hefty dose of salt. Criminal investigator, writer and broadcaster Moita Flores - formerly attached to the country’s Judicial Police - and a regular commentator on the ‘unspoken angles’ of the case, has given an exclusive interview to Flash! news website (part of the Cofina group that owns Correio da Manhã) suggesting: “This is all just another attempt to clear the real people responsible for this disaster.

    Why this child, when there are so many others who have disappeared”, he queries.

    “The secret is in that group of people (holidaying with the McCann couple) and the parents, who are influential people within the British government”, he said."

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  32. In the meantime in Portugal ...

    Criminal investigator, writer and broadcaster Moita Flores - formerly attached to the country’s Judicial Police - and a regular commentator on the ‘unspoken angles’ of the case, has given an exclusive interview to Flash! news website (part of the Cofina group that owns Correio da Manhã) suggesting: “This is all just another attempt to clear the real people responsible for this disaster.

    As Moita Flores told Flash! he has "no doubts" that the case "involves a murder".

    "It was impossible to get through a window with a child", he said - referring to the official version of the abduction theory - adding that "Maddie died in that apartment".

    "With the €96,000 awarded by the British government, they should be doing a reconstruction in Praia da Luz", he told Flash!. "It is the only way to resolve the case".

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  33. "by Tony Bennett Yesterday at 4:15 pm
    I sincerely hope the twins don't one day regret that their parents spent so much time and effort on all of those activities, rather than taking them on outings and playing Monopoly with them"

    Says the excuse for a man that has spent nearly 10 years of his life spreading lies about the Mccanns, arranging for leaflets to be delivered to the twins neighbours and tried to take a private prosecution against the parents of the twins.

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      Indeed, despicable acts. Just as despicable as team McCann and their agreement on sightings of other people's children and using dead children.

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      Did the Mcanns write a letter to the parents of a dead child - purportedly from the dead child?

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  34. "JOAQUIM JOSE MOREIRA BATISTA - table employee [waiter]

    - Of the group of 8/9 British citizens who dined at the restaurant last night, as usual, of which the parents of missing were part (he didn't know them) he noticed that two individuals left the table, of the male gender.

    - The first to leave was about 40/45 years old (tall, skinny, white complexion, with large [a full head of] hair of color gray) and the period of his absence was about 15 minutes, being that they had to [re-]heat his food, which had cooled;

    - The second to leave (about 40/45 years of age, having the physical characteristics of the first, but having less bulky hair) did so for about 30 minutes, and that shortly after he returned, all left the table, except for an elderly person, who told him that a child had disappeared, the daughter of a member of the group, due to which he thought that the second person to leave could have been the father of the child;

    - Of the times in which this group had dined in that bar it is [was] often [for] someone from the group to go to check at the apartments the state of the children (their offspring) who were sleeping there.

    - He did not see any person with blonde "rastas", while he was working (16h00 and 00.00)."

    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm

    The first to leave ("they had to [re-]heat his food") is Russell O'Brien?

    The second to leave ("for about 30 minutes", and "shortly after he returned, all left the table") is Gerry McCann?

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  35. Where does this £11.1 million come from. The first grant was £12m added another £95k last six months, plus £85k for the next.
    Add: LP extra expenditure allowance £1m Gambles £100k scoping exercise. That doesn't include the basic expenditure of the LP or the total amount of the years for Portugal.

    Anyhows, not paying court legal fees - now, they did not sue in the same of XXXX Limited company, they sued in their names. Whoooshed goes their personal assets.

    As for the Fund which hasn't actually been used for anything particularly positive in finding Madeleine, or has it? Lobbying for this extra six months, is a major positive. Had the MET Op Grange stepped down now at the 10th year on the back of the Legal outcome in Portugal it would have been a PR disaster, rather like the rather un-usual move, one would think for the resignation of the Accountants - which could have been handled better.

    Perhaps if Portugal is to pursue any further litigation with the McCanns, they ought to seize their assets, like GA had his seized. What's good for one is good for the other.

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    1. Interesting post 14:29. The McCanns certainly seem to be moving their assets around, quite brazenly in fact. I wonder if they have been given a deadline in which to pay the costs?

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  36. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton13 March 2017 at 10:54

    ''Do you honestly call that freedom Ziggy? for most of us it would be a living hell. What I mean by higher ground is their refusal to explain themselves while still demanding the public believe them''

    Have you even spent time in a cell ? They explained their movements in statements to the police.The public believe a lot of crap.Enough of them believed in Cameron's 'big society' and that martians had landed in America the year before WW2 broke out after Orson Welles' 'trick'.The McCanns were released.No bail required according to the police.

    '' you mock those who are suspicious of the parents as blue collar workers with access to the internet, clearly it bothers the McCanns a lot.''

    Because the ones i 'mock' are accusing them of murdering their child then hiding the body.Why do you think that would bother them ?

    ''Your theory that Clarence Mitchell was somehow forced on them is absurd. ''

    What was his job just prior to the abduction ?And has he been on the McCann payroll from the day he turned up ?

    ''Gerry and Kate are not vulnerable adults Ziggy, in fact one of their most outstanding features is their (joint)assertiveness.''

    A mixture of determination, strength and a united front against thousands.

    ''Have they been 'free' for 10 years Ziggy? I personally could not imagine a more constricting prison than the one the McCanns have made for themselves.''

    Poetic notion-but go visit some prisons.You won't have to imagine anything afterwards.

    ''Goncalo Amaral did 'put up' Ziggy, to such an extent that the McCanns have spent their entire fortune and 10 years trying to make him and his book disappear. Kate may have thrown down the gauntlet, but she ran and hid when GA accepted the challenge. ''

    Making his unfounded accusations go away would be more accurate; his guesses;his slander.Can 'vexatious litigants' hide ?

    ''As for the rest of that paragraph you really do have skew whiff view of the policemen and scientists.''

    They have not allowed the forensic evidence.Not the dog's, the blood, or the DNA.Why is my view 'skew whiff' ?

    ''Your constant prodding of the police btw is bizarre, it's like you want to wind them up? Are you sure you are not Gerry? lol. ''

    It's been ten years and ten million. What's 'bizarre' about my prodding ? According to what you represent, it's so obviously easy to solve and they haven't done it.But they deserve no prodding.

    ''I watch masses of real crime documentaries on YouTube Ziggy, and in so many cases, years and even decades can go by before a suspect can finally be nailed. ''

    So have I. I've watched a lot where the wrong man was convicted too and, in some cases, executed.What stood out in the UK ones was the size of the crowds that would turn up for public executions.Then again, i shouldn't be that surprised-they might have had that vulture mentality that often comes to the fore, but no internet and social networks.

    ''Operation Grange have fought to keep the investigation live for a reason.''

    Yes. But you don't know the reason and nor do I. Like most of the case-it isn't for public consumption.

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  37. I see that jillycl, the maddest of the old bats on Twitter, claims that the McCanns have put out the news of more money (for the investigation) in order to incite the mob to get the investigation closed down. Unbelievable!

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  38. Anonymous13 March 2017 at 11:54
    @11:22

    ''Indeed, despicable acts. Just as despicable as team McCann and their agreement on sightings of other people's children and using dead children.''

    Can you explain how the McCanns team reached this 'agreement on sightings of other people's children and dead children' please ? I'm having difficulty with the 'agreement' part of it.What did they agree to ? Who were the 'dead children' they 'used' ?

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      Agreement on sightings: silence gives consent.

      Dead children: German Maddie, Australian Maddie, and Google is your friend.

      Qui tacet consentire videtur, ubi loqui debuit ac potuit

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      I normally just scroll by ridiculous pointless comments - but have to say I disagree with you - just in case you think that silence is acceptance.

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      If you have a point to make, you should explain why the McCanns remained silent.

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    4. @ 20:25

      I made my point but you chose to ignore it - I will repeat it for your benefit.

      Your comment is ridiculous and pointless and it is you that should explain it - not me.

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  39. "I watch masses of real crime documentaries on YouTube"

    Personally, I would have kept that quiet, Ros!

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    1. Why would I need to keep that quiet 16:39. I study human behaviour, what better resources available than observing the work of real police with real suspects?

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    2. More instructive than crime dramas surely?

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    3. Real life is often much stranger than fiction 17:13.

      Those who are mocking, gently, or otherwise, lol, how else would I get the opportunity to observe a police interrogation and the behaviour of suspects?

      I am not doing an accredited course, I study for my own benefit, that is I study subjects that I am interested in. I am driven by a need to understand what it is that makes people evil - it is beyond my control.

      Approaching my 60th year, most of my studying was of the 'old fashioned' kind, that is big books, lectures, libraries and lots of legwork. For me the internet is amazing. At our fingertips we have answers to questions that would have taken days, if not weeks of research. Why not use it? deh!

      And what's wrong with short cuts? It was my number one rule when teaching - first, look for the lightbulb. I advised all my English students to read Charles and Mary Lamb (kids guide)before picking up Shakespeare. I introduced The Romantics to my AS level students with an episode of Black Adder! It worked quite well actually, they all remembered Lord Byron, Percy Bysshe Shelley and the ideology of Romanticism, lol.

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  40. I had to rely on countless books and lectures..damn

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  41. Anonymous13 March 2017 at 16:19

    '' I see that jillycl, the maddest of the old bats on Twitter, claims that the McCanns have put out the news of more money (for the investigation) in order to incite the mob to get the investigation closed down. Unbelievable!''

    Par for the course in Camp Obsessive. The McCanns run the Police, the forensic team, and the media( i thought everyone 'knew'that) :-)

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  42. What if all forums and media and tweets and other pro and anti opinions and myths and beliefs suddenly halted ? I bet the Mc Canns would keep telling us : we know better than the dogs.

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  43. Anonymous13 March 2017 at 18:09

    ''What if all forums and media and tweets and other pro and anti opinions and myths and beliefs suddenly halted ? I bet the Mc Canns would keep telling us : we know better than the dogs.''

    Or....


    '' The dog's trainer and the forensics team didn't have enough evidence uncovered by the dogs to press charges.''

    Or do the dogs also know more than the scientists but, due to their inability to speak, can't call the scientists liars ?

    Why did they lie if the dogs didn't ?

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  44. Anonymous13 March 2017 at 18:43

    @16:32

    ''Dead children: German Maddie, Australian Maddie, and Google is your friend.
    Agreement on sightings: silence gives consent.''

    So, if the police report a 'sighting' they're interested in following up, and the McCanns stay quiet and let them do their job(again), they're agreeing to something sick ? So, now we have another level of hate-when they stay silent, it's equal to 'saying so much' that proves they're nasty..

    unbelievable..but then again....

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    1. @19:49

      "the McCanns stay quiet and let them [the police] do their job"

      The irony.

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    2. Hi Ziggy
      Just re-reading all the posts here to see if there's something that "needs" to be commented on.
      Re: All the look-a-like Madeleines.
      When a photo of this roman/gypsy girl (Maria) was seen/published in MSM and that of another girl in Morocco, the McCanns kept silent and played along in this farce, before "experts" ruled them out.

      In both cases, it took me a nano-second, after that I had got just a short glimpse of each girl, to see that none of them could be Madeleine.

      Gerry and Kate are, believe it or not, Madeleine's parents and ought to have seen what I saw, by just using their noses. Why did they not just scream out right away. NOT ARE DAUGHTER! And what about the girl in New Zealand or was it in Australia, whose DNA profile they demanded, when just a snap shot/photo from her alleged parents sent by e-mail to Kate and Gerry would have been sufficient. Seriously, what parent does not recognize his/her child on one or two photos?

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    3. Björn @14:16

      Well said, thank you. NL

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      I meant of course "NOT OUR DAUGHTER!"

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  45. Anonymous13 March 2017 at 20:15
    @19:49

    "the McCanns stay quiet and let them [the police] do their job"

    The irony.

    I suppose i should have distinguished between 'let them do' and 'sit back and wait'.Both are acts of sheer malevolence once it's in the 'public domain' and so on..

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  46. I see the old "explain why the McCanns remained silent." is rearing it's ugly head time after time on here.

    It is an argument that bennett used to use whilst smirking over his keyboard and trying to impress people with how clever he was. "Why not deny it if it is wrong", "they must know it is true as they have said nothing", "I have given them plenty of chance to challenge me".....etc etc.

    He got the smirk wiped off his face when he left the High Court.

    But of course he is heading down the same track again - saying more and more outrageous things and believing that the Mccanns are "accepting" it because they are silent.

    When he passes comments about the twins - which he has done recently - you know he has hit rock bottom and is prepared to say anything at all to get attention.

    He is a sick sick person - by his own admission.

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    1. Indeed, they are well-matched.

      http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Kate_McCann_08_07_2014.htm

      "Judge – Do the twins know about the book, the documentary?

      KMC answers that of course they use computers at school and at home and she has to be very careful and try to supervise the information they get.

      Judge – Do they have a global idea about what people say?

      KMC mentions that her son, in October asked her why Mr Amaral said that they hid Madeleine. She answered that there were many stupid things in his book.

      Judge – How did your son know about that? How was it possible if you were careful to prevent access to the book?

      KMC thinks he heard it on the radio, in the school bus."

      -------------------------

      http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/portuguese-prosecutors-never-concluded-mccanns-were-innocent/story-30124763-detail/story.html

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    2. Bennett has probably hampered this case as much as anyone 21:22. From the start he made it personal and seedy, with his self publicity stunts. However, this particular pantomime needed a villain, a hideous creature without morals, scruples or a backbone. It's like the part was written for him. For my 'Hollywood movie' of this case, I'm going to screen test Gollum!

      Joking aside, he doesn't done the 'truth' cause any good whatsoever. For too long, his ugly mug was the face of the 'antis'. For the media who wanted to portray the non believers as sanctimonious, self righteous, spiteful prigs, Bennett was the go to guy.

      Where Bennett is concerned, I hope the McCanns have seen the light. That is Bennett gets his jollies from the publicity. For the less than eloquent Bennett, the legal arena is his stage. It is the only area of 'entertainment' where the audience are legally obliged (by law) to read the endless drivel of legal groupies who couldn't hack it as legitimate lawyers. Those obliged (by law) to read his shite have my utmost sympathy. Personally, I'd opt for water boarding.

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    3. Indeed it must be said 07:48. Some of their lies are so obvious, I do wonder if 'inside, they are laughing'. In this instance, Kate was clearly caught on the hop, but they went with it anyway.

      It does however illustrate Kate's first instinct is to 'blame someone else'. In this case, the school bus driver. We are to believe a bus load of rowdy 10 years were listening to the news on the bus radio? Seriously?

      The honest, and perfectly acceptable answer, should have been 'it is impossible to monitor the twins access to the news'. Something every parent would have empathised with. Why lie?

      I cringe every time the parents use the twins first names, it makes them so much easier to google. And I was appalled that the parents objected to Goncalo Amaral's request (on behalf of the twins) to have the trial held in camera (without the media). This of course left the twins vulnerable to tabloid front pages - which of course was exactly what happened. Many tabloids led with threats of kidnap to the twins. Imagine how frightening that must have been to see on newspaper stands?

      Gerry and Kate must accept that they do not have the power to limit the information available to their children. No parent has. The only responsible way to deal with the matter is with complete honesty. They can't hide Goncalo's book from the twins forever. Anymore than they can hide it from the British public. It is a sign of megalomania that they believe they can.

      I've told my own sons on occasion about the 'hate' that is directed towards me on the internet - I've even had entire websites and blogs devoted to my dodgy psyche, lol. The sons' usual response is how can they join up - they have much to add! Admittedly, my lads are grown up, but even as kids, their joke routines would have been pretty much the same.

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  47. Anonymous13 March 2017 at 20:25

    @19:45
    ''If you have a point to make, you should explain why the McCanns remained silent.''

    What were they asked ?

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  48. Double Bollocks ! Oz in Auf Weidersane ? https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%23McCann%20-rt&src=savs&lang=en-gb

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  49. Anonymous13 March 2017 at 21:34

    ''The dogs' findings are pivotal. The pair invented the impossible to explain them away.''

    And the scientists went with the opinion of 'the pair' rather than the findings of the dogs. Yep, that seems reasonable.It makes so much sense.The 'impossible' story from potential suspects versus the evidence uncovered by dogs.The police chose the story.And yet it's not the police subjected to the anger.

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    1. The police chose the story?
      Time to send your complaint to the Portuguese Supreme Court of Justice, ZS.
      And now back to reality. I mean: the Brexit. Finally an independant UK again (unless the Scottish decide otherwise). Finally that long awaited revival of the British imperium, without the interference of those f*cking tossers in Portugal.

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  50. @ laffin13 March 2017 at 22:31

    Always nice to see how the sound reasoning of the mentally hilarious is developing.At least the streets are safer while those sick individuals are living on Twitter exchanging shallow minded stupidity.

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  51. Anonymous13 March 2017 at 11:14

    “The secret is in that group of people (holidaying with the McCann couple) and the parents, who are influential people within the British government”, he said.''

    This random group of holidaying doctors ''are influential people within the government'' ? That's quite a newsflash ( Flash !). Where, exactly, 'within' our government, are these 'influential' people situated ? Which department ?What, exactly, is their 'influence' ?

    So, suddenly it all makes sense. The endless stream of funding;the refusal to acknowledge forensic and incriminating evidence;the removal of the PJ who were 'sure' that the parents 'did it' .I always thought a political cover up was involved.I just never considered for a minute that our government had been infiltrated by doctors who hold no position in it whatsoever(officially).

    Who is this Portuguese Sherlock Holmes ?

    ''Moita Flores - formerly attached to the country’s Judicial Police''

    Ahh, I see. Another 'former'( no wonder) member of the PJ who now prefers to commentate and write.

    Let's hope nobody calls his bluff and asks him to furnish us all with his evidence of the McCann's and Tapas 7's 'influence within the UK government'.It could make him look (more)foolish.

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  52. Hi Ziggy@03:11

    It's a theory, someone within that group has connections. My view once they jumped on the bandwagon and suddenly realised that it's more than a possible abduction, they had to stick to it to save face.

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    1. I think you have it all there in a nutshell John!

      All of those who jumped on the bandwagon, including Prime Ministers, police chiefs, crime experts, TV presenters and Piers Morgan, would have a lot of explaining to do if Gerry and Kate were arrested.

      They have either stubbornly refused to consider the findings of the Portuguese police, or they are so ridiculously biased and naïve, they are incompetent. That's going to be tricky for the former PMs who were presumably being advised by the Intelligence Services.

      That justice has been perverted for 10 years to save the egos of those suckered in by the stolen child story sounds absurd, but some might say, that's exactly what happened!

      So impossible has been for them to admit they might be wrong, they have spent nearly £12million of public money, and collaborated with the MSM to mislead the public. And they misled the public to such an extent, that the main suspects accumulated a few million of their own.

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  53. @John100
    Hi John

    It's a theory, i agree. But, if one or more of the group had any connections whatsoever, or influence within the government, their pact of silence wouldn't be worth s**t. Unless, of course, they also work for MI 5, somebody somewhere would have painted it in big letters all over the internet.Statements that sweeping that are also subtly vague( built in disclaimer), need a lot of explaining.Without it, it just sounds like someone going for the attention-seeking shock factor that works so well online.

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    1. @08:49

      "...somebody somewhere would have painted it in big letters all over the internet"

      GA has painted it in big enough letters in already:

      http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/485524/Portuguese-detective-says-MI5-spies-know-what-happened-to-Madeleine-McCann

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  54. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton14 March 2017 at 08:49

    Possibly the most balanced post you've made in ages, Ros.

    '' All of those who jumped on the bandwagon, including Prime Ministers, police chiefs, crime experts, TV presenters and Piers Morgan..They have either stubbornly refused to consider the findings of the Portuguese police, or they are so ridiculously biased and naïve, they are incompetent..tricky for the former PMs who were presumably being advised by the Intelligence Services..That justice has been perverted for 10 years.. they have spent nearly £12million of public money, and collaborated with the MSM to mislead the public...And they misled the public ...

    The MSM and Government work together as we know.The former has a job to do-serve the agenda of the big bosses.If it means spinning or hiding truth-it's done.If it means lying, same goes.But, think about what you've said.And think about the two likely suspects( as favoured by the masses).That's an awful lot of PMs, Mps, MI 6 and puppets called in . Just for two doctors abroad who may have killed their child and hid the body ? Why ? It would have been cheaper and faster to just get on and do it. question, assess evidence and charge-even if only with circumstantial evidence( it has been done before ). Why did it turn into an urgent political event ?It wasn't a matter of national security.

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    1. I think John's answer most closely summed it Ziggy.

      I'm a huge fan of [the]'Thick of It' by Armando Iannucci, and I wouldn't mind betting his portrayal of life in the corridors of Whitehall is pretty accurate.

      Whoever took those first calls on the night of 3/4 May, took the decision to give the McCanns what amounted to diplomatic immunity! The help (interference) from the UK was way over the top - Gordon Brown was calling Gerry personally. Did no-one among his expert advisors point out at any time that there was a good chance the parents were involved?

      Of course the missing child story suited several agendas. 1. New Labour wanted ID cards and a national DNA database and were using missing children to make their case. 2. also wanted powers to snoop on everyone's internet usage, under the guise that predators use the internet to steal children - even toddlers.

      When New Labour jumped aboard, Gerry and Kate were national heroes, Gerry got a standing ovation from a police conference! If it is hard to criticise the parents now without a backlash, it was impossible in 2007.

      This is a lie however that has bred hundreds, if not thousands, more? Just how many people are implicated? Just how many knew the truth but went with the lie anyway? And not just obscure politicians and unknown pen pushers, but household names!

      I don't think there is a deep, dark conspiracy Ziggy, I think the McCannns and their friends sold their plight to friends back in the UK so well, that decisions were taken with little or no thought or logic. And rather than admit the truth, they have ALL kept the farce going.

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    2. Rosalinda 14.3 @17:50

      "Whoever took those first calls on the night of 3/4 May, took the decision to give the McCanns what amounted to diplomatic immunity!"

      I believe decisions were taken well before then. Gerry received a volley of text messages on the 2nd don't forget.

      Neither Gerry nor Kate McCann made any calls to a UK agency on the night of 3 May, but at 00:29 (virtually half-past midnight), Proconsul Angela Morado rang Gerry on his mobile. She was not returning an earlier call of his. He hadn't made one.

      So how did she come by his mobile 'phone number, as none of his or Kate's family in the UK claimed to have contacted the British Consulate at Portimao, only the Embassy in Lisbon?

      "I think the McCannns and their friends sold their plight to friends back in the UK so well, that decisions were taken with little or no thought or logic. And rather than admit the truth, they have ALL kept the farce going."

      This again is near the mark IMO, although I suspect we would disagree as to the exact nature of those 'friends'.

      My current view is that decisions were taken alright, but only after weighing up the consequences of allowing the case to proceed unchecked.

      GA's account of police behaviour in the wake of the McCanns' return to the UK leads me to conclude that the authors of the abduction plot believed that, having negotiated the lifting of arguido status they were 'home and hosed'.

      What they didn't foresee was the PJ's releasing of the files to the general public and the fact that there are more 'clever clogs' with access to the internet outside the offices of Whitehall than there are 'smart arses' within.

      Hence the decade spent fumbling to find a way out, not just for the McCanns, but the agency that came up with the abduction idea.

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  55. Piers Morgan, 16 June 2014
    My heart absolutely breaks for Kate & Gerry McCann. Can't imagine anything worse than what they are enduring. Just pray they get closure.

    @piersmorgan
    Their phones being hacked by your buddys?

    https://twitter.com/darrenor/status/478604686187302912

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  56. I read this blog and its comments and I think, WTF!

    Unsurprisingly, Ros has taken the Trump route to labelling news they don't like, as fake news. I suppose if you think there is a conspiracy of mega proportions, it's not too surprising if you think MSM are in cohorts too.

    I look forward to the day that someone who currently peddles these idiotic explanations of a straightforward event, steps back and recognises their madness. I don't think it will be Ros.

    Chez

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      What 'straightforward event' do you have in mind?

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      Child abduction.

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    3. @19:31

      In general or in particular?

      I'll take it you're referring to the notable absence of Madeleine McCann, whom many believe was not abducted.

      "Where...where...where is the child?" asked 'the child's' father (who must quite have forgotten she had a name at some point in time). "What other explanation can explain how she's not here?"

      Well you may contend they are idiotic if you wish, but concealment (Shannon Matthews) and murder (Helen Bailey) are perfectly reasonable explanations for why someone should be missing, even if those responsible for their well-being should maintain the victim was abducted.

      Unless you, or anyone, can prove Madeleine McCann was abducted, then you'll just have to 'grin and bear it' when it comes to others having a different point of view.

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    4. @21:12

      Good luck with trying to put together a perfectly reasonable alternative explanation for Madeleine's abduction. You won't find one on this blog or elsewhere where the idiots hang out.

      Of course concealment and murder are possibilities, but are they realistic possibilities in the case of Madeleine's disappearance? I don't think so.

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    5. @22:55

      "Good luck with trying to put together a perfectly reasonable alternative explanation for Madeleine's abduction."

      Since I am to be numbered among the non-believers, I have no intention of attempting to explain Madeleine's 'abduction'. I would recognize death as a possible reason for her continued absence though.

      "Of course concealment and murder are possibilities, but are they realistic possibilities in the case of Madeleine's disappearance?"

      Something is either possible or it is not. Realism is not a 'bolt on' consideration. You appear first to admit the possibilities, but proceed in the next breath to negate them.

      You doubtless have a reason for your intransigence as I have mine. Maybe one day we'll discover which of us has been nearer the mark.

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    6. "Realism is not a 'bolt on' consideration. "

      ROFL! It's a feature of the case that some people are unable to distinguish between theories and crazy theories.

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    7. Anonymous 14 March 2017 at 21:12

      Concur.

      T

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    8. Anonymous 15 March 2017 at 00:11

      Concur.

      T

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    9. @09:17

      "It's a feature of the case that some people are unable to distinguish between theories and crazy theories."

      That is true, but we were discussing 'possibilities'. Neither of the examples I provided were in any way 'crazy'. They occurred in the real world, not my imagination, and could do so (or have done so) again elsewhere.

      Madeleine McCann was fragile. She was not immune.

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    10. @12:12

      It's a feature of the case that some people are unable to distinguish between possibilities and crazy possibilities. For the latter, I would include any of the 'possibilities' coming out of Twitter tag #McCann.

      I'm still laughing over "Realism is not a 'bolt on' consideration."

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  57. Hi Ziggy@09:02

    Totally agree WHY? Reminds me of the TV movie Jack The Ripper broadcast in 1988. Michael Caine discusses Polly Nichols murder and questions why is she so important, Lewis Collins replies that she was only a whore. Michael Caine then calmly says if she's not important then the killer must be.

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    1. Hi John, I know your reply was to Ziggy, but have to say, that final line of Michael Caine's sent a shiver down my spine! 'if she's not important then the killer must be' - Ooer!

      I remember the drama well, my beau at the time had a thing for Jack the Ripper (all the signs were there, lol), and we watched it avidly. I especially remember the part where Michael Cain threw a bucket of water (I think?) across the cobbled floor of the mortuary to illustrate the amount of blood that should have been at the crime scene. If I am remembering correctly that is.

      It was indeed brilliant - I'm now going to see if it is available anywhere :)

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      "If she's not important then the killer must be."

      An interesting juxtaposition.

      Someone came up with a 'Jill the Ripper' theory once upon a time. Maybe, given the subordinate status of females in Victorian England, the Caine response could be extended to the killer's husband?

      Now there's a thought....

      Michael Caine's Inspector Abberline interpretation was released on DVD (later issued as a 'freebie' with the Daily Mail or some other tabloid. I have a copy at home somewhere).

      I wouldn't go so far as to describe it as brilliant. Good, yes. Entertaining, yes. On a par with Christopher Plummer's introduction of Sherlock Holmes into the narrative, in 'Murder by Decree'.

      But we shouldn't be looking to Elstree or Hollywood for the truth. Neither Caine's 'alcoholic' nor Johnny Depp's 'opium junkie' is a just representation of the Abberline the man.

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  58. @09:02

    "Why did it turn into an urgent political event? It wasn't a matter of national security."

    You appear to have omitted a word and split one sentence into two. Your comment ought to read:

    "Why did it turn into an urgent political event if it wasn't a matter of national security?"

    A number of early FOI inquiries were rejected for that very reason, sometimes stated as the 'risk of damaging international relations'.

    If the government considered security issues to be a feature of the case then so should we.

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    1. International relations. Security issues. Not the same thing.

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      Concur.

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    3. @10:35

      Sentences (clauses) are formed (like this) with a main verb. Phrases are not. Not the same thing.

      If you habitually abbreviate your thoughts you are likely to overlook the significance of qualifiers, like 'sometimes' (see above). At other times the phrase 'national security' will have been used, as here for example:

      http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/freedom-of-information/

      in particular, Jon Clements' piece for the Daily Mirror (18.2.09)

      'After a six month delay, Leicestershire has now claimed it is exempt from Freedom of Information laws in this case due to “national security”.'

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      Concur.

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  59. As an outsider, but not ignorant of the facts, I can merely shake my head in disbelief.
    The PJ files are a fact. The decision of the Supreme Court in Portugal is a fact.
    Why the need for all these never ending discussions? For the sake of ourselves?
    I may hope not. For the sake of the culprits? I may hope not.
    We should never forget that the files have been assembled, shelved and reopened in Portugal. And most of all, we should never forget that the victim was a little girl who can't celebrate her own anniversary anymore and who certainly not deserves any anniversary of a burglary that went wrong, a murder or what sort of a crime that may have occurred.
    A voice from the real world.
    Let's just wait. And see.
    And now back to work again.

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      Because people are hoping these "never ending discussions" will come to an end one day? Somewhere in September?

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  60. When all else fails to implicate the Mccanns - create a conspiracy.

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    1. No creation required. It was in place before Jo Public had even heard of the McCanns.

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    2. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/01/madeleine-mccanns-parents-lose-libel-case-appeal-in-portugal

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      And your point is?

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    4. "Anonymous14 March 2017 at 13:56

      No creation required. It was in place before Jo Public had even heard of the McCanns."

      Are you saying there was a conspiracy to abduct a child before the abduction took place?

      Or are you saying something else.

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    5. @17:41

      Something else.

      "The police don't want a murder in Portugal so they're blaming us", said Kate McCann, whose daughter had supposedly been abducted, fate unknown.

      What murder could she possibly have been referring to? And which Police?

      She did not say, 'the Portuguese Police', 'the police here', 'the police don't want a murder here' or 'here in the Algarve'.

      Instead she makes Portugal sound distant.

      Perhaps, then, she was referring to 'Police' in the UK. If so, why should they (we) not want a murder in Portugal specifically? And if they (we)really, really didn't want a murder in Portugal, whose interests were to be served if there wasn't one?

      The problem for anyone not wanting a murder is that while steps might conceivably be taken to prevent such things, it's impossible to unmake a past event.

      Things can be painted over though.

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    6. Anonymous 14 March 2017 at 19:13

      Concur.

      T

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  61. Or a lifelong suspicion. Far more worse than a sentence.

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      What on earth are you talking about?

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  62. Anonymous14 March 2017 at 09:58

    ''Piers Morgan, 16 June 2014
    My heart absolutely breaks for Kate & Gerry McCann. Can't imagine anything worse than what they are enduring. Just pray they get closure.
    @piersmorgan
    Their phones being hacked by your buddys?''

    Excellent call (no pun intended).I can't stand that human oil slick.

    John10014 March 2017 at 10:16

    ''Hi Ziggy@09:02
    Michael Caine then calmly says if she's not important then the killer must be.''

    Great line, great film, and relevant point made.I found both characters ( after reading mountains of ripper stuff) pretty close to realistic.I like the Johnny Depp version because of atmosphere but i think he has a '8 lingering close ups of me ' clause in his films. The girl.Btw- i solved the ripper case.But I'm not telling you who did it.

    Anonymous14 March 2017 at 10:21

    ''You appear to have omitted a word and split one sentence into two...If the government considered security issues to be a feature of the case then so should we.''

    You try finishing a sentence when your smoke alarm's going off :/ But yes, good point. And yes, my question was rhetorical i suppose Re governments 'interest'.

    Anonymous14 March 2017 at 10:35

    ''International relations. Security issues. Not the same thing.''

    Doesn't matter- neither have any place in a possible abduction / murder.It's police work.

    Anonymous14 March 2017 at 13:28

    ''When all else fails to implicate the Mccanns - create a conspiracy.''

    No to point one-yes to point two.

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  63. @16:54

    "Btw- i solved the ripper case.But I'm not telling you who did it."

    No you didn't. I did. And I'm not telling you who did it either.

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    1. Anonymous 14 March 2017 at 17:42

      :) :) :)

      Ziggy’s reply is derivative but he may have a sandwich regardless. :D

      Under cross-examination (“in court”), Z’s ‘unbiased’ sources will become known, I hope.

      T

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  64. The MSM is campaigning for the McCanns. Every day one or two articles about 'the case', supporting the grief stricken parents. Ehrm, wait. No. At the same time they are publishing the comments they once whooshed. Somebody has to tell them to stop it!
    They're harming the ehrm... investigation. Sorry, the remit.

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  65. They could save 50k by telling us who this person is and show his picture.. He may be living next door to one of us. About as mysterious as the "true" father carrying his child home, or the photo fits that vanished for months.

    Most in this case is a lie, and this is no different.

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    1. Who is "they". Didn't you notice that there is not one single quote that is from a named person in all of the media reports?

      Operation grange is silent - exactly as it should be, unless it needs to appeal for the help of the public - note I exclude cesspit nutter hater forums from that. If they want the public to help there will be a named source and a direct appeal.

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  66. "A new search to find a schoolgirl who disappeared 60 years ago in North Lanarkshire has begun.

    Eleven-year-old Moira Anderson left her grandmother's house in Coatbridge to go to the shops in February 1957, but never returned."

    Missing child cases are never closed in the UK - unlike other countries.

    Operation grange remit to treat the case as if it were an abduction in the UK will ensure that the missing Madeleine Mccann case will never be closed in the UK. It may go cold - but will never be closed.

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    1. I fear you're quite right
      If the case will never be closed, which would please the McCanns, there will never be any final report by the S Y, explaining what they've done and the McCanns can go on suing people, who don't believe them, for ever

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    2. @ Björn14 March 2017 at 21:11

      You have no idea about the law in the UK and should therefore not jump to conclusions. The amaral case has been running for years - maybe you can tell the readers here who were the last people the Mccanns sued - and when?

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  67. NHS ANNUAL budget, £120b.
    Total OG spend, £13m

    Bargain to protect 5 Consultants and 1 GP plus their many thousands of patients from panicking. Aside from losing all six.

    "The NHS is the nearest thing to religion that Britain has"
    Quote Norman Lamont.

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    1. @ Anonymous14 March 2017 at 19:30

      Relevance to anything?

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  68. Haven't you noticed by now Ros that people (used in a loose term) have been sent from the cesspit to disrupt and make stupid comments on your blog. Their inane meaningless posts made to generate dispute and time wasting are so blatantly obvious it is ridiculous.

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  69. I personally believe that the McCanns no what happened to Madeleine, but I also find something very sick and unhealthy about this blog and the comments. You need to take a break.

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  70. Hi Ros I have to admit I am annoyed that you give a person who accuses the book the truth of the lie as stating that the McCanns killed their daughter. At no time does it say that that in the book but you let ziggie repeat it on a regular basis. Now and again you pull him up on it but mostly you let him state it a lot. This person admits he did not read the book but states this as a fact. That alone makes him a plonker but you still entertain him. I know you enjoy the debate but I don't enjoy you letting lie again and again about this fact. I do not think the McCann's harmed Madeleine. I do believe they covered up their mistake of neglecting their daughter and did it for their remaining twins. They are human not evil like ziggy is trying to make out that anyone who does not believe them are. I am not a sleep who follows what I am told I read the facts that I know and make my option from that. I was pro McCann for years but the facts have shown me I was wrong. Ziggy get your facts right before you argue with lies

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  71. Ros why are you entertaining Ziggy when he has not read the book The truth of the lie and constantly lies that it says it accuses the the McCanns of killing their daughter when in no way did it state that. It says accidentally death and a cover up. You keep letting him repeat this and give him the air time which makes anyone who does not believe the abduction theory as an nasty troll

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  72. John Byde14 March 2017 at 20:29

    ''I personally believe that the McCanns no what happened to Madeleine, but I also find something very sick and unhealthy about this blog and the comments. You need to take a break.''

    Nothing whatsoever about anything.Just advice to take a break. That's asking the blogger to derail her own blog.Desperate.

    Anne Watson14 March 2017 at 23:01

    ''Hi Ros I have to admit I am annoyed that you give a person who accuses the book the truth of the lie as stating that the McCanns killed their daughter. At no time does it say that that in the book but you let ziggie repeat it on a regular basis''

    Are you suggesting Ros refuses to post my contribution because you say so John? Sorry- i mean Anne.Are you saying Amaral does NOT implicate the McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter ? What's the 'truth' of the 'lie' ?

    ''That alone makes him a plonker but you still entertain him''

    You're changing into different IDs( which i can see) to try and derail a thread on a blog and you call me 'a plonker'. Priceless.

    ''I do not think the McCann's harmed Madeleine. I do believe they covered up their mistake of neglecting their daughter and did it for their remaining twins...They are human not evil like ziggy is trying to make out that anyone who does not believe them are.''

    Poindexter- the leaving their kids alone is the first thing that they admitted to.They didn't try to cover that up.That sentence about them not being evil 'like ziggy' is as unhinged as you must be.

    ''I am not a sleep who follows what I am told I read the facts that I know and make my option from that''

    I disagree- most of you is clearly ' a sleep'

    '' Ziggy get your facts right before you argue with lies''

    Drink less and fire John Byde as your English tutor. Neither are serving you very well. If you 'no' what i mean.

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  73. Anne Watson14 March 2017 at 23:01

    '' Ziggy get your facts right before you argue with lies''

    I'm old fashioned like that. I tend to argue against lies.

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  74. Anonymous14 March 2017 at 19:30

    ''Bargain to protect 5 Consultants and 1 GP plus their many thousands of patients from panicking. Aside from losing all six.''

    Why is that a bargain ?So if we lose six doctors or consultants, the NHS collapses ? Six ? The logic of this is that consultants can do whatever they like whenever they like because they are above the law.They're too 'imperative' to the NHS. it's not like we can bring the occasional Consultant, Doctor, Dentist,Nurse etc from somewhere else in the world to Britain- who ever heard of that.

    "The NHS is the nearest thing to religion that Britain has"

    Quote Norman Lamont.

    Norman Lamont- chancellor of the exchequer. Now we know there was another area of politics he talked shite about.His only big achievement was to help shield Jimmy Savile for so long and for so many, and perform magic tricks for his billionaire Tory pals.

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  75. Anne Watson14 March 2017 at 23:14

    ''Ros why are you entertaining Ziggy''

    Ros isn't 'entertaining' me or anyone else by allowing them to discuss anything. She's stated that she's against censorship about 100 times.You probably missed it. How else would you explain her allowing drivel like this that spills from your head and onto her blog ?

    ''You keep letting him repeat this and give him the air time which makes anyone who does not believe the abduction theory as an nasty troll''

    It doesn't make anything, anything.Get over me. This blog isn't about me.Go to bed. Hopefully , whoever you wake up as tomorrow will be lucid.

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    1. ZiggySawdust @00:19

      Anne Watson is right. Amaral didn't say the McCanns killed their daughter. Easy to verify.

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  76. Anonymous14 March 2017 at 17:42

    @16:54
    "Btw- i solved the ripper case.But I'm not telling you who did it."
    No you didn't. I did. And I'm not telling you who did it either.

    ( I solved it first.You stole my notes.See you in court.Bring sandwiches.)

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    1. Well I solved it twice, once last century once this. (Couldn't read your handwriting). What filling do you prefer?

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    2. Anonymous 15 March 2017 at 09:56

      Lol!

      T

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  77. Anonymous14 March 2017 at 17:44

    ''The MSM is campaigning for the McCanns...;;

    And have been from day one.

    ''Somebody has to tell them to stop it!They're harming the ehrm... investigation. Sorry, the remit.''

    There's the rub. The 'remit'. The McCanns are members of the public. They don't get to decide the remit . The MSM is a Government arm and, as such, controls what we're fed. They always have a reason. Just as they had a reason to drag Clarence from his alleged job in Whitehall to don his 'PR controller' hat at short notice.

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    1. "The MSM is a Government arm and, as such, controls what we're fed. They always have a reason. Just as they had a reason to drag Clarence from his alleged job in Whitehall to don his 'PR controller' hat at short notice."

      Oh Ziggy. You get so much right, and then you go and ruin it.

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  78. Anonymous 14.3 @19:13

    ("The police don't want a murder in Portugal so they're blaming us", said Kate McCann, Sept. 2007)

    I have always thought Kate wasn't referring to Madeleine.

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    1. @07:24

      Isn't that kind of odd?

      Why should Kate McCann have supposed she was/they were being blamed in connection with the murder of a complete stranger?

      The McCanns hadn't been in Portugal a week when their daughter was first announced missing, apparently, and no-one in the vicinity of the Ocean Club was reported to have died as far as I'm aware.

      For my money reference to 'murder' was a 'Freudian slip' on Kate's part. There have been others.

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    2. Anonymous 15 March 2017 at 09:51

      Concur.

      T

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  80. Hi Rosalinda and others. Just a few thoughts about the extended Operation Grange (I suppose it's still called so) investigation

    If there’s just one line of enquiry now, that needs to be pursued, and if that has nothing with the suspicion about the McCanns’ involvement to do, then the S Y must, either have discredited all the findings of Martine Grime’s sniffer dogs, without having given the general public any comprehensible reason as to why they have done so,

    or they must believe the following:

    that an (the) abductor(s)/intruder(s) entered the McCanns’ apartment around 9 pm, or earlier,
    that he/she/they accidently or deliberately killed Madeleine in the apartment,
    that he/she hid Madeleine’s body in the apartment, while Gerry was still there,
    that he/she /they hid in or outside the apartment till at least a few minutes past 10 pm,
    that he/she/they also took some clothes that belonged to Kate,
    that he/she/they gave those clothes back to Kate on a later occasion,
    that he/she/they left the apartment unseen carrying a dead child among a crowd of people, who went screaming into it to see what had happened,
    that he/she/they used the same car as the McCanns later did in which he/she/they must have transported Madeleine’s dead body to a place where he/she/they buried her.
    Why just wait for the S Y/Met to solve this case, when they deserve to be constantly challenged and criticized for their stupidity and incompetence.


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    1. Björn 15 March 2017 at 09:51

      Hi, Björn

      “If there’s just one line of enquiry now, that needs to be pursued, and if that has nothing with the suspicion about the McCanns’ involvement to do, then the S Y must, either have discredited all the findings of Martine Grime’s sniffer dogs, without having given the general public any comprehensible reason as to why they have done so.”

      We ought to bear in mind that “the findings of Martine Grime’s sniffer dogs” were that certain organic chemical compounds the dogs had been trained to ‘find’ were present where the dogs indicated. Hence the dogs’ ‘findings’ as such cannot be ‘discredited’ in the circumstances.

      Peace.

      T

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  81. Do the Portuguese still suspect the McCanns after reopening the investigation with tractorman.

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  82. ZiggySawdust 13 March 2017 at 06:11

    “Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton12 March 2017 at 23:38

    Consider for a minute that they just might be telling the truth.”

    You mean “telling the truth” as Kate has done in her “account of the truth” (“My reason for writing it is simple: to give an account of the truth” ‘madeleine’ p1), which you allegedly haven’t read and therefore are unable to “consider for a minute”?

    Why don’t you do as you preach (to Rosalinda in this instance)?

    “Thank you for buying and reading this book. In doing so you are supporting the search for our daughter.” ‘madeleine’ p6.

    I have done so (I’ve bought Kate’s book for £1 although I reject the abduction conjecture as irrational), have you?

    Namaste.

    T

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  83. Anonymous14 March 2017 at 10:38
    @08:49

    ''GA has painted it in big enough letters in already:''

    He has, yep. And I agree with his suspicion about MI 5.But i was talking about the suggestion above that the McCanns and Tapas 7 had power and influence 'within the government'. I believe they(government) all have their own interest, and it appears to be to look after the McCanns.I stress the 'appears'.They don't give a shit. The millions spent is only big to you and me and Mr Taxpayer. it's spare change to the multi millionaires playing with it.

    Anonymous14 March 2017 at 10:51

    @03:11
    ''Puerile!''

    No, it's common sense. Your 'comment' is puerile; a waste of time and ink.

    Anonymous14 March 2017 at 10:11

    ''The police chose the story?
    Time to send your complaint to the Portuguese Supreme Court of Justice, ZS.''

    I was highlighting how ludicrous it was, not how realistic.

    Anonymous13 March 2017 at 11:22

    ''Criminal investigator, writer and broadcaster Moita Flores..
    "It was impossible to get through a window with a child", he said''

    As a detective(former) he makes a good broadcaster and 'commentator'.

    If anyone wanted to abduct a child from an empty(of adults) apartment, why would they climb out of a window ?They could just open a door and walk. He sounds like an idiot who wants limelight.

    Anonymous12 March 2017 at 10:43

    ''Madeleine McCann can always pop up. Today, tomorrow, whenever, wherever.
    The abductor has been alarmed now because the newspapers shout that the 'net' is closing. Come on, you Portuguese pervert. Free Maddie, so the parents can sell the biggest story ever to the highest bidder. ''

    Pervert maybe-Portuguese ? Who knows. So you think that , if a foreign perverted abductor confesses to committing horrendous acts to their child, probably killing her once he had finished-the McCanns will be thinking about making a lot of money off it ?

    ''What I simply want to emphasize is: how can you talk about an 'anniversary' when you don't know if she is still alive or not?''

    It's ten years since she disappeared.

    ''The blood stains in 5a? The abductor murdered her, of course. Or no, no no, the PJ planted them, like the dead scent in the appt. and in the car, ''

    Doesn't matter.It was 'planted' before scientists eventually.All they had to do was confirm things.Why didn't they ?

    Anonymous15 March 2017 at 09:56

    ''Well I solved it twice, once last century once this. (Couldn't read your handwriting). What filling do you prefer?''

    Sorry, I missed this, i was being interviewed by Newsnight about how I solved the ripper case for a third time using DNA I had from an ear.Why were you even reading my notes btw( gotcha).Filling? Ridiculous question.Chicken , sweetcorn and poached apple skin.

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    1. ZiggySawdust 15 March 2017 at 15:37

      “Anonymous15 March 2017 at 09:56

      …Why were you even reading my notes btw( gotcha).Filling?”

      Wrong: “(Couldn't read your handwriting)”. Gotcha. :)

      I’ve enjoyed reading your comment nevertheless. Thanks.

      Have a sandwich on me.

      Not at all.

      Namaste.

      T

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  84. @ T

    ''You mean “telling the truth” as Kate has done in her “account of the truth” (“My reason for writing it is simple: to give an account of the truth” ‘madeleine’ p1), which you allegedly haven’t read and therefore are unable to “consider for a minute”?''

    I have no wish to 'consider for a minute' the accounts of KM or Amaral. I prefer to consider the spontaneous words that can't be proof read, ghost written or edited. I consider the abduction theory as plausible if there is no evidence to say otherwise. It's for the many, many detectives to find that 'otherwise' and for it to then be corroborated by science or witnesses. I'm not preaching-i'm stating an obvious fact, that is, the faking of an abduction needs proof and then the death(accidental or not) needs the same. As ten years have passed without this, i don't think suggesting that the McCanns could just be telling the truth is so outlandish.

    The Amaral groupies are defending his accusations by saying that he thinks they 'accidentally' killed her or that she 'accidentally' died.But the act of concealing the body makes it murder.They would have reported an accident. The 'fell from the sofa' theory is realistic, if the floor was bare marble and the sofa was 60 feet high. Then there's the suggestion of the over-sedating( with Calpol ?Not possible). The blood that was detected by the dogs doesn't fit with sedation.Bleeding takes place after force.

    If what i suggest is 'irrational'- what is the rejecting of the evidence from the dogs, the scent of death and blood ? Put both books to one side and consider that.If rejecting the evidence is scientifically rational, then the abduction story is given weight.If the rejecting of the evidence is scientifically irrational-a lie- is it really the McCanns that we should be looking at ?

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    1. Spare us the 'Amaral groupies' Ziggy, that kind of remark is more suited to a playground.

      A small fall from the back of a sofa can result in bleeding. One of the most common injuries with falls, is a tear underneath the chin. I know this because as a child my older son fell from a top bunk bed and caught his chin on a dresser on the way down and we spent the night in A&E.

      In the case of Madeleine there is also the possibility that an emergency tracheostomy was performed, which could have caused the blood spatter.

      Small falls can be just as dangerous as 60ft falls Ziggy.

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  85. “An abduction was extremely unlikely based on the amount of time, evidence at the scene, and every other shred of evidence there has ever been.”

    Ms Brown said Madeleine most likely died an accidental death that was “covered up”.

    “The evidence supports the theory of an accident occurring through neglect and possible medication,” she said.

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/the-only-madeleine-mccann-theory-that-stacks-up/news-story/44291faa8d69db7e9d6b6a40fe4b5205

    http://www.welingelichtekringen.nl/samenleving/670293/amerikaanse-expert-madeleine-mccann-leeft-allang-niet-meer.html

    http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/amerikaanse-misdaadprofiler-madeleine-mccann-is-dood~a19e8552/

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  86. " Furthermore I remind you that before publication of recent posts I repeatedly asked for the evidence from GA of political interference by the UK, none of which he was able to provide."

    http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/time-for-change-from-blacksmith-sent-05.html

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  87. In the meantime The Sun is further digging their grave. People don't read the same stories anymore. They read the comments. The curse of the internet!

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    1. Weird isn't it 18:39, and The Mail has just won 'newspaper of the year'. I don't know where they get these results, but it is not from the public!

      The internet has exposed the lies of the tabloids, the Sun and Mail especially. The speed of their decline is even faster than I thought it would be. And I think the name MADELEINE MCCANN will be writ large over their tombstone!

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  88. Hi Ziggy
    Let us keep it simple. One dog alerted because he sniffed the scent of death, and I think we can assume,that expert Gerry McCann may be mistaken when he tells us that "those dogs are unreliable".Let us also believe the Mark Warner owner, when he says that nobody had died in apartment 5A, just as we should perhaps believe the man in charge of the rent-a-car company, who says he hasn't rented out the car to a dead customer. Having done so, there are just two question that should be asked, namely; who died in the McCanns' apartment when the McCanns stayed there, and who was the dead driver or passenger in the car, who rented it before or after them?

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  89. Also in our country ...

    http://www.welingelichtekringen.nl/samenleving/670293/amerikaanse-expert-madeleine-mccann-leeft-allang-niet-meer.html

    http://www.ad.nl/buitenland/amerikaanse-misdaadprofiler-madeleine-mccann-is-dood~a19e8552/

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  90. CEOP and Gerry Mc Cann, partners in a promo-operation that went wrong ?
    "I'm not here for my pleasure" (on the bus to the Ocean Club)
    "A disaster!" (to his family after the ... disaster)
    Call me stupid. No prob. Just a question.

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  91. Anonymous15 March 2017 at 18:02

    ''" Furthermore I remind you that before publication of recent posts I repeatedly asked for the evidence from GA of political interference by the UK, none of which he was able to provide."

    Amaral's claims can only be considered as conjecture. He could be right, he could be wrong.But our own detectives can't even access information held by MI 5 or MI 6-that's how espionage and national security works - covertly and secretively. That being the case, it doesn't matter who suspects what about who if you suspect Military Intelligence are involved. It stays classified. Amaral can never demand anything from MI5. It doesn't mean his suspicions are with or without foundation, it means exploring that avenue is futile, apart from helping to flesh out his book. People have, do and will continue to make up their own minds but too often mistake their own thoughts on it as 'fact' because it seems right.

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  92. Retweets can be libellous says Matthew Nicklin, media lawyer from @5RB http://bbc.in/2m8QOsk

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  93. Anonymous15 March 2017 at 18:01

    ''Ms Brown said Madeleine most likely died an accidental death that was “covered up”.''

    ''“The evidence supports the theory of an accident occurring through neglect and possible medication,” she said.''

    Pat Brown. TV regular and top Criminal Profiler. Didn't she fly to Portugal and look at the crime scene( or a replica of it) ? Then she set off on her trek of as many isolated spots and spaces that were close to anything related to catholic churces or catholic icons based on the fact( yes, a real one) that GM and KM were Catholics and had actually been to see a Pope ?Her 'rationale' being that GM's conscience ( he could live with himself more easily knowing she was 'laid to rest' in the eyes of God).I enjoyed 'Dexter' too. But this real life.

    Back on Planet Earth she regained her balance, thankfully.After the usual few thousand words telling us her credentials( and now those of her family) she looks at the possible cover up .

    ''So, basically, the detectives are going to do their job and investigate what they are told to investigate: they were either told to do a full and compete investigation in which everyone is a person-of-interest and no one has been excluded OR they are following a remit to investigate an abduction and only an abduction and the McCanns are not suspects, period.''

    ''Unless the political tide has massively turned and the McCanns are now being hung out to dry (which I find extremely unlikely), Scotland Yard can only be one of two things: a farce and the McCanns are guilty and are never go to be convicted of a crime or legitimate and the McCanns have been innocent all along.''

    So, basically, she believes the McCanns are guilty but is hedging.She shows as much or, arguably, more conviction in her asserion that SY and UK government have been in charge of a red herring of a remit.

    http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann.%20Maddie%20McCann

    and

    http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-find.html

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  94. @18:02

    I suspect the retelling of a telephone conversation would not pass muster as 'evidence', but since we are not in a court of law...

    From an interview with Goncalo Amaral on CMTV 23 April 2016:
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    Anchor João Ferreira - Gonçalo, what pressures did you feel during the investigation?

    Gonçalo Amaral - The pressures were felt immediately with the consul's intervention (Bill Henderson) followed a few hours later after by the British ambassador (John Buck).

    Anchor - The consul and the British ambassador?

    Gonçalo Amaral - Yes, the consul called us at around 9am, 9:30am of the 4th of May, stating that the Judiciary police wasn't doing anything, that we were not doing anything, and that a different kind of intervention was needed, a diplomatic one.

    Bill Henderson was as good as his word. He and John Buck faced the media together on FRIDAY 4 May:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azj4CLORnlc

    If the description of a telephone conversation is questionable as evidence, the 'phone operator's record of its happening is not.

    To repeat an earlier observation, at 00:29 (virtually half-past midnight) on 3/4 May, Proconsul Angela Morado rang Gerry McCann on his mobile. She was not returning an earlier call of his. He hadn't made one.

    So how did she come by his mobile 'phone number, as none of his or Kate's family in the UK claimed to have contacted the British Consulate at Portimao, only the Embassy in Lisbon?

    When all's said and done even David Cameron's/Theresa May's 'suggestion' that the Met. Police review the McCann case represents political interference.

    In fairness to Blacksmith, many things are clearer now than when he had his little difference of opinion over the issue.



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