Sunday, 30 April 2017

MCCANNS ANNIVERSARY INTERVIEW WITH FIONA BRUCE - UPDATE

 
UPDATE  FAKE NEWS 02/05/17 - THE WOMAN IN PURPLE

Once again, The Sun wades in with another 'McCanns are Innocent Gettit!' article courtesy of Lauren Freun, who appears to know nothing about this case, writing copy for people who know even less 

The Woman in Purple is well known in the McCann cannon and generally thought to be Jane Tanner.  She is mentioned in the statements of both Jenny Murat and Jez Wilkins.  Many think she was acting as a lookout. There is no mention of a uniform (watch out PDL nannies - you're next), but Ms. Freun has, with the assistance of forensic psychologist Mike Berry evolved this 10 year old sighting (and new lead for Scotland Yard) into a predatory woman who disguises herself as a nurse/nanny in order to steal or sexually abuse small children.  The socially inferior, nurses, nannies, etc, are invisible to regular people Mike Berry informs us, to explain the fact that SHE has not had a mention in ten years.  Charming. 

I have just watched the Mark Rowley's interview/statement, and I have to say I am feeling almost as deflated as Bjorn.   Mark Rowley is a difficult one for my mentalist (lol) abilities.  He is of course everything you would expect from a high ranking police officer, confident, no nonsense, and authoritative.  Senior police officers are devoid of character and personality, they can't throw in the odd gag here and there or wear a jaunty hat. 

He says leadS and lineS - the 's' on the end makes all the difference.  And they are not new ones.  He also kindly explains to those of us rolling on the floor laughing at the 'burglars' theory, that it is actually quite sensible and we need to cut it out.  His eagerness to stress the world 'abduction' troubles me.  '......she didn't go off to start a new life' (bizarre).  If she died in the apartment, the word 'abduction' isn't applicable.  

The word abduction however, is a valuable commodity.  It increases police funding and has led to all sorts of crisis management and PR industries.  The idea that victims of crime and suspects, should launch publicity campaigns is, perhaps, the new way forward.  Keeping the abduction theory (and Madeleine) alive may still have a lot of mileage left, which is why this interview left me somewhat chilled.   

Anyway, in case Ziggy and his equally dim sidekicks fail to pick out the key statements, (and they already have), let me assist.  'There is no definitive evidence' - repeated several times by MR and almost as good as Gerry's 'nooooo evidence' which really does need replacing.  In a nutshell, Madeleine could be alive and he rules the parents out.  'All that was dealt with by the original investigation and no need to re-open'.  And 'the McCanns are parents of a missing girl'. 'The evidence gathered by the original investigation is concluded' - they are not going over it.   Actually, scrap that one, because they are obviously not challenging it either. 

Each statement however, probably deliberately, is open to several interpretations.  Given that the parents blame the Portuguese police for their botched investigation, MR has just effectively said, 'it was OK, nothing to challenge there'.  As we know, that original investigation included the findings of the dogs, all the original statements and the naming of Robert Murat and Gerry McCann as the only Arguidos.  MR has stated that there is no reason to go over the original investigation.  At this point I would imagine, the McCanns would like to hear there is EVERY reason to go over the original investigation,  because as pointed out recently by the Portuguese Supreme Court, the original investigation did NOT clear them. 

Despite everything Mark Rowley said in this interview, he did not say the PJ got it wrong.   And he needed to, because without making that clear, we can only assume Operation Grange picked up where the interrupted investigation left off.  He did say however, that they had a huge response to their 4 Crimewatch programs, and among the thousands of leads were a few nuggets.  Nugget is a great word, it has all sorts of connotations, but for those who are the subject of those critical leads, I doubt they are good ones. 

I think this case is now heading towards conclusion, but as wizened as I am, I still couldn't say with 100% certainty, that truth will ever be the victor here.  There seems to be an active campaign by the Media to convince the public that the McCanns are innocent,  The stories are too screwball to be anything other than fabrication.  This week we have Nanny McPhee's evil twin prowling the Algarve unseen, a man with BO climbing into bed with little British girls and burglars who forgot what they broke in for.  I'm amazed PDL hasn't been renamed 'The Village of the Damned'.   

Mark Rowley's support for Kate and Gerry I think, was one in the eye to the eejits out there doing their own investigations, and to people like myself who have the affront to question the word of The Sun.  He's too scary a fellow to question whether he is lying or not, I'm guessing not, simply by comparing his confidence to the McCanns' timidity.  But his words are carefully chosen, they are intended to stamp down on speculation, especially from the media, who are publishing Madeleine stories daily

The words of Mark Rowley don't fit my own theory that the McCanns are not co-operating.  Ouch.  But I'm not ready to abandon it yet.  'We are not following that line of enquiry' is not the same as 'we have ruled the parents out' and those are the words Gerry and Kate are longing to hear.  In 6 years, OG have never given any reasons to explain why the parents and the group closest to Madeleine have been ruled out.  Eg. Their statements match, they have passed polygraphs, the findings of the dogs were a grave error.  Any of which could have relieved much of the parents' suffering, and indeed may have assisted them in their claims for damages in Lisbon.

On the face of it, it appears that Scotland Yard have just given Gerry and Kate a huge vote of support, but on closer examination, like everything else in this case, nothing is quite what it seems. 

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 I have just watched Gerry and Kate's 10th Anniversary interview with Fiona Bruce, and it made somewhat uncomfortable viewing.  Had the interviewees been wired up to a lie detector, it would have flown off the scale several times.  But kudos to them, I may not find them likeable, but no-one can question their courage. 
 
As sympathetic as Fiona was, she did not avoid questions about their massive loss in Portugal's highest court, or the one significant lead remaining.  Gerry fluffs his reply, but it becomes clear that he and Kate are not privy to details of the investigation.  Some might say, quite rightly of course, but these are parents who have been living on a knife's edge for 10 years, leaving victims out of the loop seems incredibly cruel.  Imagine for example, the parents of a murdered child having to rely on public announcements from the police for updates, to put this into perspective.
 
These are instances where a lie detector would have peaked btw, but all 3 managed to downplay their significance and focus on the important matters, such as internet trolls.  Gerry was at least honest in acknowledging that the subject matter of Goncalo Amaral's book is no longer relevant.  GA only suggested Madeleine was dead, Scotland Yard dug up PDL. 
 
But this was not a bad interview from Gerry and Kate's perspective.  I think for the first time, we saw moments of real honesty, and for a while there, Kate seemed positively relaxed.  Sheer speculation here, but I imagine they are buoyed by the words of Mark Rowley this week, Gerry was itching to get them in, together with his usual mantras of no evidence and he and his wife are not suspects. 
 
What I picked up on was their eagerness to convince Fiona and the viewers that Madeleine was still alive.  Gerry, like Kate in her annual message, acknowledged that they were not making an appeal, but they still had hope.  They were back on safe ground while talking about children who had been rescued and found.  Gerry had tried and trusted lines on that score, such as, 'the younger the child the more chance of finding them alive', as he casually dismisses the findings of South Yorkshire Police in the case of Ben Needham.  Whatever are you suggesting Gerry?
 
I tend to think Gerry and Kate are odds with Scotland Yard.  Most notably on the alive or dead question.  It brings to mind the words of DCI Redwood, that I found somewhat ridiculous at the time.  It was something along the lines of following two theories, Madeleine is alive, or Madeleine is dead.  I can't find the exact words at the moment, but I feel they are relevant.
 
Gerry and Kate cannot or will not, accept that their daughter is dead.  Ten years on, that is weird, there I've said it.  Not only is it weird for them, but also for Fiona Bruce, the BBC - and everyone else looking forward to increased newspaper etc sales who are sharing the delusions.  'Do you still buy birthday and Christmas presents for Madeleine?', Fiona asks (I'm not  yet sure if Fiona is syrupy sweet or deadly and dangerous) but 'yes of course' Kate replies, as if it is all perfectly normal and not in the least bit creepy. 
 
There is so much news on the Madeleine case at the moment, that I can't comment on every piece of fake stuff, but Nick Pisa of the Sun deserves a special mention.  Goncalo Amaral is not shameless - he has nothing to be shameless about.  He is the Victor of 8 years of legal battles, he has been completely vindicated, his reputation is restored.  He is not disgraced you imbecile, he is the opposite of disgraced - the highest court in the land have ruled in his favour!   As for cashing in the 10th Anniversary, let me remind you Nick Pisa, that it was Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns spokesman who was pitching 10 year exclusives over 6 months ago! 
 
 
 
Ps.  is comic sans easier on the eye?
 

177 comments:

  1. Cue:

    people who think they are lie detectors
    speech analysis experts
    body language experts
    eye flicker experts
    clothes and hair experts
    reverse speech experts
    etc etc etc

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    1. @ Anonymous 30 April 2017 at 17:52

      Nicely put.

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  2. "Ps. is comic sans easier on the eye?"

    If you post crap it is probably best to use a "comic" font.

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    1. @ Anonymous 30 April 2017 at 17:53
      Q: "Ps. is comic sans easier on the eye?"
      A: "If you post crap it is probably best to use a "comic" font."

      LOL! I agree 100%! Comic Sans is a joke font. Ros just doesn't know when to leave alone. (eg pursuing the McCanns)

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    2. Yes, I see comic sans got a bad press recently, but I kind of like it. My eyes are not great, tbh, I should really wear reading glasses, so I am all for big easy letters, lol.

      LOL 17:53, if you say so. ;)

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  3. Presumably Ros you believe this interview is "fake news" because it doesn't send the same message as you?

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    1. That's the beauty of language 18:26, it depends on how we interpret it.

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  4. http://news.sky.com/story/kate-mccann-says-she-still-buys-presents-for-missing-daughter-madeleine-10857258

    "Mrs McCann, 49, said: "You always do feel guilty as the parent of a missing child - that other families haven't had the publicity and the money, and I know there's reasons why that happened, but I guess the positive is that it has certainly brought the whole issue of missing children to the forefront and I think people have benefited in many different ways."

    What reasons why that happened can she mean?

    Shouldn’t “the whole issue of missing children” read "the whole issue of child neglect”?

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    1. Actually, it has brought the issue of one missing child to the forefront, I would argue. Where are all the others? Can anyone name even one of them?

      You are right of course 18:44, the issue of child neglect, or child endangerment should have been the lesson learned from this tragic case. There are no circumstances where it is ok to leave toddlers on their own. Period.

      Anyone with an ounce of common sense would acknowledge that the biggest danger is, was, and always has been ACCIDENT. That the risk of accident has never even been raised in any McCann interview reveals how sensitive a topic it is.

      No, no-one expects an abductor to climb in the window and steal your toddler, but just about everyone expects toddlers to climb out of bed and go wandering. Gerry and Kate have said over and over that they thought it was safe. That is safe from predators. He doesn't mention the risk of the kids waking up and wandering about in a dark unfamiliar apartment. Bizarre, because that is the first thing most parents would think of.

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  5. With thanks to the Portugal Resident of today: "Supreme Court judges Roque Nogueira, Alexandre Reis and Pedro Lima Gonçalves released their 75-page ruling making references to tenets set out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms."

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    1. Thank you 19:02, I have just been having a look at Joana's site.

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  6. "Keeping an incredibly low profile since his double victory at the Supreme Court in the tortuous legal battle with Kate and Gerry McCann, former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral has finally given interviews to journalists working for the Cofina group, which publishes Sábado weekly magazine, and ‘people’s daily’ Correio da Manha.

    And, for reasons that have nothing to do with the insults regularly thrown at him by British tabloids, the quiet-spoken, reserved 57-year-old agrees there were some things that from the outset Portuguese police did not do right.

    “I should not have allowed us to be put under pressure”, he told CM’s Sunday Magazine, adding that when the McCann family finally left Praia da Luz in September 2007, the British police that had come over to assist the Portuguese investigation also left - leaving the “sensation that they were only here to protect the couple”.

    Amaral said that another mistake came in the way “the group of Brits” now known as the Tapas 7 was included in on meetings with the PJ, “to know what was going on”.

    http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-milestone-amaral-agrees-%E2%80%9Csome-things-we-did-weren%E2%80%99t-right%E2%80%9D

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    1. Thank you 19:03, that is an interesting article. How bizarre that the McCanns were attending police meetings - vey much doubt they still do. I am looking forward to seeing the new documentary he has made.

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  7. "I have just watched Gerry and Kate's 10th Anniversary interview with Fiona Bruce, and it made somewhat uncomfortable viewing."

    LOL. Only the Sky one on Tuesday and the BBC one on Wednesday to go, Ros. Of course you don't have to watch...

    Early this evening I saw a short ITV news item. Kate & Gerry looked incredibly well and came across as nothing like Ros's blinkered and hateful portrayals.

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    1. I agree 19:46, they do look remarkably well, especially considering their recent devastating losses in in the Lisbon Court. It is something that would have broken many, but they can still find that strength, somehow. And kudos, they get knocked down, they get back up again. That I respect.

      However, their confidence has gone. They are no longer talking about carrying on the Search when OG closes, nor was there any appeal for people to look for Madeleine. They no longer appear to be looking for public roles, they have settled into a new normality, Kate has returned to work.

      Hut their attitude towards Operation Grange closing, possibly with no resolution, is not normal. Where is the desperate need to know what has happened to their daughter?

      I will give them the benefit of the doubt,they may have reached the 'acceptance' stage of grief. But again, they could not steel themselves to speak to 14 year old Maddie directly. They were better prepared for the question, but it was an awkward moment nevertheless.

      Gerry and Kate have a great talent for keeping up appearances 19:46, and it has served them well. This would not be the first time they have faced the cameras 'looking incredibly well' while backstage their lives were falling apart.

      I'm not without sympathy 19:46, but as I keep trying to point out, Gerry and Kate are responsible for every choice they make - just as we all are. They cannot blame other people for their choices, tbh, I blame their parents for raising them to believe that they can.

      They chose to leave their very young children alone. Not Goncalo Amaral, not the PJ, not the Press, not the people of PDL. They did.

      They chose to give this latest interview, and they chose to attack Goncalo Amaral, the small town of PDL and their enemies online. That is, they made the deliberate decision to prod the online trolls and people like myself who feel obliged to point out the blindingly ridiculous.

      The McCanns will never find contentment until they stop blaming other people for everything that goes wrong. They have no power over the way in which other people behave, they cannot use the Law to force people to believe them.

      While it seemed from this interview that some of that is starting to sink it, it was only a few weeks ago that they were threatening anyone who dared to publish Goncalo Amaral's book in the UK, so we shall see.

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    2. It is a fact that the McCanns blame everyone but themselves for Madeleine's fate, but Kate McCann has shot herself in the foot by revealing that when she found Madeleine "gone" she searched the flat in case Madeleine had got out of bed and looked in the wardrobes but then on the other hand they say they thought it was safe to leave the children in the flat on their own. So how can it be safe if KM states that she searched the flat, obviously thinking that Madeleine had got out of bed, so why does the idea of people purporting that Madeleine could have had an accident and died if she was on her own. KM's ridicule of Mrs Fenn asking questions when KM says that Mrs Fenn asked about Madeleine "as if a can of beans had fallen off a shelf" is very telling.

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    3. Hi Anon 30 April 19:46
      I've just suggested a possible explanation on this blog as to why the McCanns came across as such a nice couple in this interview.

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  8. "Comic Sans, easily, is the most hated type in existence."

    There's your answer, Ros.

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  9. Anonymous30 April 2017 at 18:44

    ''"Mrs McCann, 49, said:.......... it has certainly brought the whole issue of missing children to the forefront and I think people have benefited in many different ways..''

    'Shouldn’t “the whole issue of missing children” read "the whole issue of child neglect”?'

    That would depend on whether or not, for the last 10 years, two police forces have been investigating a case of child negligence or a missing child .Which one is it would you say ?

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    1. @20:22

      As for public opinion: child negligence.
      As for one police force: neither.

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  10. Anonymous30 April 2017 at 17:52

    spot on..Twitter's outrage machine will be in meltdown now.i shouldn't laugh. They're more to be pitied than laughed at.( LOL )

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    1. And that (which I only read because it's short & at the end of the comments so far) Is a typical @walkercan1000 comment on twitter. That tells me all I need to know about your existence here "ziggy".

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    2. Anonymous30 April 2017 at 21:57

      ''And that (which I only read because it's short & at the end of the comments so far) Is a typical @walkercan1000 comment on twitter. That tells me all I need to know about your existence here "ziggy". ''

      ( tap, tap, tap...)

      You're a great loss to the world of detective work anon.But kudos to you. To broadcast your paranoid nonsense on the internet takes bottle.I'd restrict it to the internet if i was you though, as the NHS funding of the care in the community programmes has all but disappeared. Here's some free advice, however : Realise that the internet isn't the real world. Once you've done that, realise too that, unless you actually know people personally offline are communicating with you online, you know little or nothing of complete strangers who post words on blogs.Once you have a 'light bulb moment' you mistake as a genuine 'eureka moment' and run with it, you eventually hit a brick wall-and that can damage you.

      Whatever this 'walker' character has done or said to you, i hope you eventually adjust to. But do yourself and others a favour and think before you broadcast your confused ramblings. It's annoying.Behave yourself. It's no wonder so much imagination is so easily translated into 'obvious fact' on this and other blogs.(This session was free. You'll have to break into your piggy bank if you want any more from me).

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    3. Anonymous30 April 2017 at 21:09
      @20:22

      ''As for public opinion: child negligence.
      As for one police force: neither.''

      I think 99% of the public see, read or hear 'missing Madeleine' when checking updates or reflecting on the case.But i see what you're driving for there ; negligence is a fact the McCanns can't hide from, even if it was never officially labelled as such. They can't deny( and haven't) that they left their children alone.The police do seem to have been incompetent, dishonest, or complicit in a load of bull too- just not 'officially'. But, what can you do eh...

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  11. Aladdins Insane30 April 2017 at 22:35

    Hey Ziggy,
    Off topic I know, but I have had a few wines this evening so what the hell.
    I have all the albums, but am not too keen on the last two. They have their moments,but for me Heathen is the last great album closely followed by Reality.
    "Your" album I first heard in a caravan in Cornwall on a battery record player in August 72. Those were the days.

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  12. There are now two reasons for hating this blog.

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    1. Why don't you get back into bed

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  13. @ Alladin

    My first experience of headphones was in the 70s. They blew my mind. The first track was Lady Grinning Soul off Aladdin Sane.A month later i experienced my first gig- Bowie at the Liverpool Empire( £2.50..third row.. his final 'ziggy' tour).That blew my mind even more.So that will always be special for me. Diamond Dogs is my favourite album. It's like a mini-opera when played track by track. His writing is brilliant, his vision and the music and vocals throughout are flawless. There was something eerie about that album and only now can i see that it was prophetic. I love the old stuff.The man who sold the world was my first album back in these school days.That was ahead of its time and Bowie's fear of insanity is pretty much to the fore. God bless the Starman and thank God he happened in our time.

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  14. Anonymous30 April 2017 at 23:03

    ''There are now two reasons for hating this blog.''

    More hate.Sort yourself out.

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    1. @ ZiggySawdust 1 May 2017 at 00:45

      "More hate. Sort yourself out."

      There's nothing wrong with having an intense dislike of Ros's views and choice of font!

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    2. I can understand your intense dislike of my views 11:07, and I'm delighted your dislike is so intense.

      The intense dislike of comic sans I struggle with. What exactly is it that you dislike so intensely? I actually used it for many years because imo, it is easy on the eye.

      I also think it is representative of my non formal writing style. Much as I aspire to be a writing 'great' like Christopher Hitchens or even my successful contemporaries, there is a mischievous little leprechaun within, who cannot resist making wisecracks - no matter what the situation. That may sound like appalling bad taste to some, but not for anyone who has ever attended an Irish funeral.

      My views may not be to everyone's taste 11:07, or even my writing style, but they are just another option.

      I have studied this case intensely for ten years, driven, it has to be said, by my own OCD. I'm not sure if my need to know the answer drove me insane or kept me sane, I was going through several major bereavements and 'puzzle solving' was the only way in which to avoid complete mania.

      I'm not ashamed to say I have spent almost my entire life with my head buried in books. Mostly because my manic depressive head quickly becomes overwhelmed with grief when I face up to the horrors of mans inhumanity to man.

      I gave up teaching because I lost my dad, and because I couldn't cope with the fact that there were so many kids who needed my help, and I was just one person. Very narcissistic I know, but I could see the way in which my students responded to me. Many teachers I am sure have stories of 'lightbulb moments', those times when they have connected with a difficult student and then watched with pride as they turned everything around.

      I remember how dramatically my own life changed when I embarked on higher education in my late 30's. Education is one of those joys of life that people like myself want to spread 11:07. It can open whole new worlds for anyone, no matter what your age.

      Apologies for the waffle 11:07, but my quest is enlightenment, and I think that is shared by most who read here.

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  15. Ziggy, may I politely ask, where do you stand on the whole sniffer dogs issue. Do you think they found the scent of cadaver and blood or not? A yes or no will suffice. Thank you.

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    1. "A yes or no will suffice." - lol

      It is "No" btw (see 15:30, Ziggy doesn't use the 'Reply' section).

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  16. http://www.rtl.fr/actu/societe-faits-divers/il-y-a-10-ans-la-disparition-de-maddie-7788279123

    http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t29359-french-radio-broadcast-about-maddie-l-heure-du-crime-with-g-moreas-and-anne-guedes-27-04-17-summary

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  17. http://www.rtl.fr/actu/societe-faits-divers/il-y-a-10-ans-la-disparition-de-maddie-7788279123

    Pour ceux qui comprennent le français. For those who want to (re)listen the full program in French...
    A mon avis, c'était un exemple de bon journalisme : ne pas exclure ce qu'il n'est pas exclus. In short: if this had happened in France, we would not be talking about the 10th anniversary of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Il n'y avait pas mal de commentaires après. Aussi dans la presse régulière.
    This is what happens as you follow the case as a neutral person. You just can't believe the abduction theory. Excusez-moi, mais c'est comme ça.

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    1. Many thanks for that - I am intrigued.

      Is there an English version anywhere?

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    2. Missing Madeleine forum

      http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t29359-french-radio-broadcast-about-maddie-l-heure-du-crime-with-g-moreas-and-anne-guedes-27-04-17-summary

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    3. Very open. As it should be, in my opinion. This case is far from 'closed'.

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  18. Whatever happened to “Code Madeleine”?

    4 Aug 2007

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1559419/Code-Madeleine-launched-to-keep-children-safe.html

    "Kate and I fully endorse the Code Madeleine scheme," Mr McCann said.

    "Kate and I hope that this new code will help protect British families when they are on holiday."


    Coincidence?

    4 Aug 2007

    http://metro.co.uk/2007/08/04/code-madeleine-tracks-down-children-6150/

    Police are searching land surrounding the house of Robert Murat

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    1. Thank you Deana for reading here and taking the time to express your good wishes. It is much appreciated. I am always grateful to those who take time out of their day to catch up, and it is heartening to see those numbers returning each day and rising.

      Sadly, this is a case where the radicals are competing for headlines and attention, so the moderate voice is often overlooked. Ah well, didn't the tortoise beat the hare when it came down to a race?

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  20. Hi Rosalinda and others
    (Yes comic sans is better at least for my eyes)
    I appreciate, your latest blogspot(as always) Rosalinda, but I’m so sad to see and to read, that this farce is still going on.

    Psychopaths are not inhibited by guilt, fear, anxiety, self-doubt, or remorse, which makes it easier for them to deal with whomever rightly or falsely accuses them of being immoral, manipulative or criminal. Such psychopathic features are often admired and envied by many people, many of whom are journalists like Fiona Bruce and others, who know that they wouldn’t have the same strength to go on defending themselves in talk shows around the world and suing or threatening to sue those, who are against them, had they lived under similar circumstances as the McCanns do. However, I neither admire nor envy people, whose “strength” are due to such psychological qualities, which I’ve mentioned here above. Instead, I rather pity them.

    In this interview (Fiona Bruce’s) as so many times before, Gerry’s message to the world is that there’s no evidence to support that Madeleine is dead (we have heard it before), and by that he means of course that there’s no point in looking for a body. Then Kate tells us that there’s progress being made by the SY, which the general public is supposed to believe, just because she says so.
    Neither Mark Rowley’s attempt to inform the British citizens about what’s being done in the Madeleine case, nor Fiona Bruce’s interview of the McCanns add anything new to what was already known about it. So, I’ll have to put all my faith in the Portuguese PJ now. May they solve this case.


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    1. @ Björn 1May 2017 at 12:10

      If you're suggesting the McCanns are psychopaths, you're nuts.

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    2. Hi Anon 1 May 13:42
      I was talking about psychopathy in general sense. What I first of all wanted to say was that psychopaths are stronger than normal people in that they seldom or never break down and fall apart due to the pressure society exerts on them. Should they do that, it's almost always just about faking weakness or grief. The McCanns "praying-Arabs-performance" could have been such an expression.

      No matter what situations psychopaths end up in, like in prison, they'll keep on lying, trying to control or bully others, as long as they believe that they have something to gain from it.

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    3. Hi everybody
      Of course I didn't mean that Fiona Bruce is impressed by psychopaths, but I meant, that journalists in common who are interviewing the McCanns seem to admire the McCanns' determination, endurance and "commitment" to finding their daughter, without considering that there may be abnormal psychological qualities making them do things other people in a similar situation wouldn't be able to do.

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  21. I reckon the police are playing with them like a cat plays with a mouse now. Ambiguous hints, such as "police are looking for a woman, seen near the scene, who does not live in Portugal", must have K&J wondering.

    Sue Bruce did a good job, she made sure that points such as Amaral's victory were put to them. It is for the viewer to decide if the answer was satisfactory.

    In a more intense, Face to Face style, interview, follow ups such as "what did you buy Maddie, say, for her eight birthday" would have put more pressure on them.

    I would love to have seen the late Tom Schneider, tackle them. He did such a good job of showing Charles Manson up for what he was, and he'd eat this pair of overgrown, narcissistic, heartless children, to pieces.

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    1. @ Cataplana 1 May 2017 at 14:03
      "In a more intense, Face to Face style, interview, follow ups such as "what did you buy Maddie, say, for her eight birthday" would have put more pressure on them."

      Bizarre.

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    2. Oh. They know now. And it is game on. Gerry just cannot stop mentioning the word "evidence" can he?

      Gadfly

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    3. @Anonymous at 15:22

      Bizarre?

      Kate McCann: "I obviously have to think about what age she is and something [present] that, whenever we find her, will still be appropriate, so a lot of thought goes into it."

      Bizarre propaganda indeed.

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    4. Indeed 18:09. How can you keep brand new toys and brand new gifts out of the hands of the other kids? Are they allowed to touch them, play with them? Very odd.

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  22. @ Cataplana1 May 2017 at 14:03

    I think the police already know Kate McCann, so it's hardly likely to be her they're looking for!

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  23. I agree Cataplana, I too think the police are playing cat and mouse. In a major crime when the police say they have one significant lead left, it sends a harsh warning to the real perpetrators.

    The McCanns made no plea, neither have the police. They are not looking for any more information and they are not asking people to come forward with what they know. It seems every lead has been followed and ruled out.

    I think you meant to say Fiona Bruce there rather than Sue, but yes, she did ask some awkward questions but she didn't throw any wild cards which makes me think the questions were pre-approved.

    I've not seen the late To Schneider, but I would certainly like to seem interviewed by Sandra Felgueiras who has never shied away from asking genuinely probing questions.

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    1. Yes, Fiona Bruce. I felt she did as well as she could in the circumstances. The public is not ready for this pair to be given too hard a time yet.

      I felt at the end, that Kate sounded very nervous about what "the investigation" was, or wasn't doing. I still hope it's been a case of excluding every other possibility until there is only one rational explanation left.

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  24. The main suspect is female.

    Who'd have known?

    Drip, drip, drip.

    Gadfly

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  25. @ Bjorn

    ''Such psychopathic features are often admired and envied by many people, many of whom are journalists like Fiona Bruce and others''
    ,
    You heard it here first folks - Fiona Bruce admires psychopaths.

    '' I neither admire nor envy people, whose “strength” are due to such psychological qualities, which I’ve mentioned here above. Instead, I rather pity them.''

    Where does strength to cope come from, Bjorn ? It's strength of mind. And you pity that ? Normal people admire it.

    ''Gerry’s message to the world is that there’s no evidence to support that Madeleine is dead (we have heard it before)''

    Of course we've heard it before. He's the father of the child and the police have told the world the same thing for ten years.Why wouldn't they tell him too ?

    ''Then Kate tells us that there’s progress being made by the SY, which the general public is supposed to believe'

    She was supposed to believe it too if that's what SY told her. Are you suggesting she's been lied to ?

    Cataplana1 May 2017 at 14:03

    ''I would love to have seen the late Tom Schneider, tackle them. He did such a good job of showing Charles Manson up for what he was''

    You mean nobody knew what Manson was once he'd been jailed ? had everyone seen him as a flower power child of God victimised by 'the man' ?

    ''In a more intense, Face to Face style, interview, follow ups such as "what did you buy Maddie, say, for her eight birthday" would have put more pressure on them.''

    Yeah- powerful stuff. That would have nailed it.

    Anonymous1 May 2017 at 01:17

    ''Ziggy, may I politely ask, where do you stand on the whole sniffer dogs issue. Do you think they found the scent of cadaver and blood or not? A yes or no will suffice. Thank you.''

    No

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    1. Ziggy.

      You are literally wasting your time trying to frame everything as the McCanns and normal folk v. trolls.

      Try something else if you want to keep going until the end.

      G.

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    2. Ziggy, some people thought he was mentally ill, or possessed, Tom proved he was an arsehole. Hope that helps.

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  26. Hi all,

    Just thought I'd give you a quick update re: McCann online strategy.

    >Flood blogs like this.
    >Flood comments sections of major news orgs.
    >Use the "family friend" and "sources close to" playbook to create a series of further dead end 'leads'.

    One numpty is on salary and the rest are useful idiots who do it for free.

    Keep going Ros. They are trying to get in your head, but rest assured, the McCanns are living a nightmare right now -- short-termist 'wins' are looking like a long-term disaster.



    Gadfly


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    1. Many thanks Gadfly, yes the tactics never seem to change very much, but they are far less effective these days.

      I have no doubt the McCanns are living a nightmare just now - they are still managing to keep the final costs of their ill fated vendetta against Goncalo Amaral, secret.

      They may be speaking about going to the ECHR, but they must know that they haven't got any hope there. Not only has the subject of their original complaint been overtaken by events, but the rights to Freedom of Speech become stronger.

      There is no guarantee that they can get to the ECHR, only those with the greatest merit get through. And of course, there are the costs of mounting yet another huge legal challenge.

      I am not sure if their vow to take their case against GA to Europe is more bravado than realistic plans. I don't however think they can defer paying the legal costs they already owe. I imagine they are under a huge amount of pressure, I'm surprised they agreed to an interview.

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  27. @ Anonymous1 May 2017 at 15:38
    They are trying to get in your head, but rest assured, the McCanns are living a nightmare right now"

    Only in Ros's head are the McCanns living a nightmare right now.

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    1. >mention Ros
      >remind her of mental illness
      >repeat
      >try to reframe reality
      >fail due to low IQ


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    2. why would they not be living a nightmare? I certainly would if my daughter had been missing for 10 years and every day is a step away from holding her in your arms again or ever knowing what has happened to her.

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    3. >Go on internet to pawn your meagre talents for the McCanns
      >Pretend they aren't worried about police investigations (plural) when they have spent heavily on PR campaigns.
      >completely forget to mention Madeleine.
      >realise you are being played by two doctors.
      >refuse to mend ways out of ego.

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    4. @ Anonymous 1 May 2017 at 16:15
      ">mention Ros
      >remind her of mental illness"

      Eh? Not aware that anyone mentions mental illness, other than Ros herself!

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  28. Hi
    Rosalinda and Cataplana
    I wish there would be some smart intelligent questions asked by some British journalists, making the McCanns explicitly reveal more about themselves, like the Portuguese journalist you've just mentioned Rosalinda, managed to do. By the way, didn't the McCanns threaten to sue her some years ago? Nevertheless, reading the transcript of the Rowley interview, it seemed to me as if Rowley by the end of the interview felt that he had to say something which would make people believe that he had made some progress. Therefore he said this about ONE line of enquiry left to pursue, but then, shortly after, in the last paragraph, he changed this to " a small number" of enquiries. However, if you Rosalinda and Cataplana were right about the SY and even about the possibility of some journalist representing the British MSM, becoming suspicious about the McCanns, without explicitly saying so, I'd be just as happy as surprised.

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  29. @ Cataplana1 May 2017 at 14:03

    "I reckon the police are playing with them like a cat plays with a mouse now."

    This make believe has been repeating for 10 years now. Usually with tic tok added to the end.

    @ Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton1 May 2017 at 15:26

    "I agree Cataplana, I too think the police are playing cat and mouse. In a major crime when the police say they have one significant lead left, it sends a harsh warning to the real perpetrators."

    You are so wide of the mark Ros that you are an embarrassment.

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  30. ''rest assured, the McCanns are living a nightmare right now -- short-termist 'wins' are looking like a long-term disaster.''

    If that particular wished -for scenario was true, what kind of human being could 'rest assured'.

    It speaks volumes for a particular mindset shared by so many.Disgusting.

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    1. >keep pushing decent McCanns vs. everyone else meme
      >fail
      >repeat due to low IQ

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  31. @ Bjorn

    ''Rosalinda and CataplanaI wish there would be some smart intelligent questions asked by some British journalists, making the McCanns explicitly reveal more about themselves''

    Why ? people are as entitled to a private life as much as they are to enjoy free speech. What more do you need to know ? You need to recognise that there's a world of difference between a TV interview and a Police interview. Maybe they know that thousands of neurotics are scrutinising every single word and eye-blink ready to spew it all over the internet as yet more 'obvious signs of guilt'.

    ''if you Rosalinda and Cataplana were right about the SY and even about the possibility of some journalist representing the British MSM, becoming suspicious about the McCanns, without explicitly saying so, I'd be just as happy as surprised.''

    That would make you 'happy' ? What's wrong with you ?

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    1. Hi Ziggy
      From the Portuguese perspective,the McCanns aren't cleared, so why wouldn't I be glad if journalists in the UK would be aware of that, and I would of course be even more happy if the SY would realize that as well and start to ask the McCanns questions and eventually beg or at least encourage the Portuguese PJ to carry out this sabotaged reconstruction from 2008, that unfortunately never took place. How on earth must it be something wrong with a person, who just wishes, that as many people as possible should be aware of that the McCanns need to be further investigated, in case they haven't and neither you, nor I know if they have been investigated in a proper way, because of all the secrecy around the case.

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  32. Are there any intelligent posters on here that believe like me, that there is no evidence whatsoever against the Mccanns and that this tic tocking has been going on for 10 years and is rubbish.

    The thought that Ros and others on here want to pretend that the Police are playing "cat and mouse" games with the Mccanns is pure fantasy.

    It is not only fantasy - it is so far fetched as to be head case jobs.

    They could arrest the Mccanns tomorrow - question them under warning, arrest them and take them to court - why the hell haven't they done that. Because they have not a jot of evidence against them. It doesn't matter how often Björn and Ros decide they are guilty of something unknown - there is no evidence of any involvement in the Mccanns in the disappearance of Madeleine.

    The only farce as Björn says - is the farce of haters keeping the hate going for so long without looking at the TRUTH.

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    1. >keep coming back to evidence.
      >repeat
      >ignore the cadaver dogs
      >whatever you do, don't mention the rental car

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    2. @ Anonymous 1 May 2017 at 17:06

      Nicely put.

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    3. Oh calm down 17:06. I don't believe the Police are playing 'cat and mouse' games with the McCanns. I believe the Police couldn't care less about the McCanns. The case will remain unsolved.

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    4. Hi Anon 1 May 17:06
      Anyone has the right to express his/her opinion (Rosalinda allows that on her blog anyway and we should be grateful for that), by just assuming or suspecting without always feeling compelled to refer to forensic and circumstantial facts in the case, as we're not in court now.

      So, you've the right to dismiss, ignore or question the competence of the sniffer dogs Keela and Eddie. You've the right to question the Smiths' sighting of Gerry McCann and you have the right to to side with the tapas 7 in their decision not to participate in a reconstruction, without telling anyone the reason as to why you do so, and of course you've the right to believe in the "fairy tale" about a stranger abduction, even if there's not a shred of evidence, as far as I'm concerned, supporting such a story. I'd never criticize you for whatever opinion you may/might hold. Yet, it would be interesting to know, why you, unlike myself, believe that there was a stranger abduction. Was it the alleged open window that made you believe in the McCanns' innocence?

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  33. Anonymous1 May 2017 at 16:13
    Ziggy.
    ''You are literally wasting your time trying to frame everything as the McCanns and normal folk v. trolls.
    Try something else if you want to keep going until the end.
    G.''
    The 'McCanns and normal folk v trolls' is a genuine state of affairs, G, but only one among many others. I try to reason. It's always right to reason.It's always right to tell someone that if they're knocking on someone's front door constantly for 3 hours that it's time they needed to consider that nobody's in the house and they best stop wasting their time. It would go against my grain not to do that. Obviously, i realise that in doing so, I'm also knocking on that door in trying to shake their heads up. The difference in us is that I won't back away from a scrap if i feel somebody's getting unwarranted stick from a mob.That's my nature. They won't back away from a scrap if they outnumber their chosen target(right or wrong) by at least 100 to 1 . That's their nature.

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    1. >read your justification
      >actually know your true agenda
      >smile

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  34. To the stupid Björn and Ros and others:

    Can you provide evidence in any case where journalists have asked a "smart intelligent question" and the person has answered - "yes I am guilty lock me up".

    What bloody World are you on?

    Journalists have asked Gerry - to his face - did you murder your daughter - he answered with the snearing attitude that the question deserved - NO.

    I can guarantee that if I ask a difficult question to Ros on here that she will either not even publish it, will not answer it or will lie.

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    1. >try to frame the discussion as intelligent v. stupid
      >lack intelligence
      >ignore cadaver dogs
      >ignore wikileaks
      >ignore PJ investigation
      >fail

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    2. To misinformed Anonymous 17:15

      ("kill" not "murder")

      Gerry answered: "No...no, never", (not "with the snearing attitude that the question deserved" but then scratching his nose.)

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    3. Hi To Anon 1 May 17:15
      Why not ask Rosalinda a "difficult" question, and I guarantee that she's going to publish and answer it as well, unless it would be more stupid that mine, of course.

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  35. Anonymous1 May 2017 at 15:31

    ''Oh. They know now. And it is game on. Gerry just cannot stop mentioning the word "evidence" can he?
    Gadfly''

    Yeah, fancy calling for evidence in the case of your missing child who so many have chosen to pronounce dead. He's got some face coming out with that. It's an outrage etc.

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    1. >mention evidence
      >ignore cadaver dogs/rental car
      >lose credibility

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  36. "Björn1 May 2017 at 12:10
    I’m so sad to see and to read, that this farce is still going on."

    Do the police not try to solve missing child cases where you come from?

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    1. Hi Anon 1 May 17:21
      Yes, they do try to solve cases in which children are reported missing, but had this been a Swedish case with a Swedish child, that had gone missing in PDL under similar circumstances, I'm certain that the Swedish authorities would have urged and helped the Portuguese PJ to carry out a reconstruction like that which unfortunately never came about in the Madeleine case. So I've begun to suspect that Rowley and his police force aren't even asking the McCanns any relevant questions, just being busy going through a list consisting of names of an endless number of innocent people, who have nothing whatsoever with a crime to do. That's why I'm talking about a farce.

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  37. @Anonymous1 May 2017 at 17:06

    Welcome to the rebel's corner. Pull up a chair and put on a crash helmet.

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  38. Folks of Carter Ruck.

    May I now inform you that newspaper legal depts. are happy to sign off with the following stories every day from now on:

    Who is cuddle cat? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3435619/madeleine-mccann-cuddle-cat-important-kate-investigation/ (News Corp)

    Those 48 questions: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/48-questions-kate-mccann-refused-to-answer-madeleine-disappearance-portugal-a7710111.html (Levedev family)

    Mr Amaral's musings: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4461526/Detective-claims-Madeleine-McCann-cremated-coffin.html (Rothermere)




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  39. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton1 May 2017 at 15:26

    ''she did ask some awkward questions but she didn't throw any wild cards which makes me think the questions were pre-approved. ''

    When the BBC employ you, a visit to the bathroom has to have a Gov- approved rubber stamp on it. Remember- it's STILL the MSM at work. We know who their bosses are. You don't mess with them and go 'renegade'. It's been tried and it didn't end well at all.

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  40. Why should a McCann critic be a hater? And what's "the truth"? I, personally, am interested in the case because I took the time to read the PJ files (in 2012). They are free to consult. Reading these documents is not only very time consuming but also very interesting. You can follow the investigation almost day by day and fact by fact. The PJ did its job, that's for sure. I repeat, I have no theory, but the preliminary conclusion says it all. My opinion, of course. Greetings from the Netherlands.

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    1. I agree 18:28, the PJ files make very interesting reading, and there really is only one conclusion.

      Arrangements had been made for the Smith family to return to Portugal for interviews, and Goncalo and his team were closing in when he was removed from the case.

      The PJ did indeed exhaust every lead, until they too became focused on the parents. It is my belief that the parents and their friends have never co-operated with the police - that's why it's dragged on 10 years. The PJ had to shelve their file because of it, and it looks to me as though the Tapas group had very little to do with the Crimewatch reconstruction.

      Thank you for your greetings from the Netherlands :)

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  41. Anonymous1 May 2017 at 17:14

    >keep pushing decent McCanns vs. everyone else meme
    >fail
    >repeat due to low IQ

    Is that for the attention of the fine police farces ( typo intended) who have 'worked tirelessly' for ten years, or the Governments Dept Of Spin we know and love as the MSM ? It would be appropriate I have to say.Especially the IQ observation. But they know their audience..

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    1. >further poor attempts at reframing the comments section.
      >further wasted energy from Ziggy 'low IQ" Sawdust.

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    2. '....fine police fArces...'. So you don't have faith in either the British or the Portuguese investigations then Ziggy? Why not?

      You have cited both of them as clearing the McCanns, so why do you lack faith in them?

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  42. This ziggy person is spoiling the blog for me, but I guess that's the intention.

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      Don't feed Ziggy please :)

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  43. Anonymous1 May 2017 at 17:19

    >keep coming back to evidence.
    >repeat
    >ignore the cadaver dogs
    >whatever you do, don't mention the rental car

    The police are supposed to keep looking for evidence whatever the crime. Forensic scientists ignored the cadaver dogs.The rental car doesn't matter. Amaral pointed to that car didn't he. But one of his 'truths' of the 'lies' was that the body of a British woman ( not named but her nationality was known apparently) was in a coffin in the church nearby and 'three shadowy figures' were seen entering and leaving during the night.The lady in the coffin was due to be cremated the next day.If you saw 'three shadowy figures' entering and leaving' a church during the night wouldn't you call the Police ?Given the drama that was unfolding, telling them even a day or two after would be at least something.Was the dead woman ever identified following an investigation ? Was the priest asked how people had access 24/7 ?Or was this just 'shelved' with other guesswork.

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    1. >baits him into talking about the cadaver dogs.
      >tries to reframe the dogs.
      >claims forensic scientists 'ignored the dogs'
      >misses out FSS work carried out precisely because of dogs.
      >ignores additional work in Lisbon as part of new investigation(s)
      >low IQ attempt

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    2. personally im just waiting for ziggy to use the words coconut or pork in relation to the dogs and then..........BINGO !!!!!

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  44. Anonymous1 May 2017 at 18:28

    ''Why should a McCann critic be a hater? And what's "the truth"?''

    A McCann critic isn't necessarily a 'hater'. A critic is a critic and a hater is a hater. You can be one, both, or neither. It isn't difficult to distinguish between a reasoned argument advanced by a critic and a biased unsubstantiated rant delivered by a hater.

    Greetings from 'the pool of life', England.

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  45. Björn1 May 2017 at 18:46

    ''Anyone has the right to express his/her opinion...by just assuming or suspecting without always feeling compelled to refer to forensic and circumstantial facts in the case, ''

    True, thanks to our great friend 'freedom of speech'. It doesn't give them the right to claim it as fact though and dismiss other opinions out of hand when your opinion is mere speculation in the first place. Theories are given more weight when they can be propped up by some kind of logic instead of bias.

    ''So, you've the right to dismiss, ignore or question the competence of the sniffer dogs Keela and Eddie''

    Is it a matter of saying sniffer dogs weren't competent or that the scientists that are actually qualified to have the final say have called the findings insubstantial ?

    ''you've the right to believe in the "fairy tale" about a stranger abduction''

    Have we the right to ask you to prove that it's a fairy tale ?

    ''even if there's not a shred of evidence, as far as I'm concerned''

    You weren't leading the investigation(thankfully).Tell us, where exactly are the 'shreds of evidence' then ?

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    1. Hi Ziggy
      You know so well, that I just mean that the Madeleine case should and could be discussed by the general public and that anyone ought to have the right to express his/her opinion. Anyone has the right, for example, to be suspicious about sniffer dogs in general etc etc, just because they feel so, without being bullied. Anyone has the right to believe that the Smiths imagined having seen Gerry etc etc. Of course, I've no doubts neither about the credibility of the Smiths sighting nor about the reliability of Martin Grime's sniffer dogs, though I accept of course that others may have that. Sorry, I cannot make it much clearer.

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  46. Anonymous1 May 2017 at 19:17

    ''This ziggy person is spoiling the blog for me, but I guess that's the intention.

    guess again

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  47. Anonymous1 May 2017 at 19:10

    ''>further poor attempts at reframing the comments section.
    >further wasted energy from Ziggy 'low IQ" Sawdust.''

    Can you elaborate on that while I try to stitch my ribs back in.

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  48. @Bjorn 17:12

    ''Hi Ziggy
    From the Portuguese perspective,the McCanns aren't cleared, so why wouldn't I be glad if journalists in the UK would be aware of that, and I would of course be even more happy if the SY would realize that as well''

    Why would that make you happy ? Normal people would be happy if the case was solved and we finally knew what happened to Madeleine. The only happiness that floats your boat is the obsessive need to see the parents suffer. That's not nice.It's not rational either.

    ''SY would realize that as well and start to ask the McCanns questions and eventually beg or at least encourage the Portuguese PJ to carry out this sabotaged reconstruction from 2008''

    Sabotaged ? Who sabotaged it ? You actually think if they did that reconstruction tomorrow you'd see the parents arrested ? Come back to Earth.

    ''must it be something wrong with a person, who just wishes, that as many people as possible should be aware of that the McCanns need to be further investigated''

    There must be something wrong with someone obsessed with that , yes .What do you think the PJ and SY missed that you didn't ?

    ''neither you, nor I know if they have been investigated in a proper way, because of all the secrecy around the case.''

    So how can you say they need further investigation ?

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  49. >continually ask Qs to divert attention
    >genuinely believes that method will work
    >more low energy, low IQ strategy
    >continues to ignore cadaver dogs
    >won't address rental car

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    1. personally im just waiting for ziggy to use the words coconut or pork in relation to the dogs and then..........BINGO !!!!!

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  50. > repeat loosely connected components of case robotically
    > opine nonsense
    > ignore the conclusions of scientists
    > ignore the polices decisions
    > fail to categorically accuse the police and scientists of being liars but call anyone who takes their findings as final wrong or of having a low IQ.

    ( is Twitter offline today ? )

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    1. >continues to misrepresent police, forensic scientists
      >works on low IQ people
      >low IQ strategy from Ziggy 'low IQ" Sawdust
      >p.s. don't mention cadaver dogs, rental car, 48 questions, new forensics in Lisbon.

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  51. Aladdins Insane1 May 2017 at 21:40

    "Pushing through the market square,so many mothers sighing, news had (NOT) just come over....."
    I heard Five Years today for the first time in a while and it made me realise I dont care about the Mccann case anymore.
    And yes Ziggy, Diamond Dogs is my favourite too (funny that)
    I dont think the case will ever be solved so why waste time on it. Just find something else to do.
    I will probably keep half an eye out (just in case),but dont plan on being "involved" anymore.
    I suggest you lot do the same.
    My "circuit`s dead"...over and out.

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    1. Hi Aladdins Insane
      Your voice matters. I'd appreciate if you kept on commenting and I guess others would as well. I still hope that this case will be solved, though I'm sometimes pessimistic myself.

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  52. Do the Mccanns not have the freedom of speech to express their opinions?

    Do the press not have the freedom of speech to express their opinions?

    According to Björn it is a continuing farce when they do so.

    I don't have to read or comment on your crap Björn and you don't have to read or comment on what you don't agree with either - just don't try to restrict freedom of speech to hate speech.

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  53. > annoying
    > repeat due to low IQ

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  54. Anonymous1 May 2017 at 21:45

    >continues to misrepresent police, forensic scientists

    The McCanns were not arrested.Nobody was.Nobody has been, Nobody will be if ten years is anything to go by. Maybe you could email the PJ and the forensic team in the UK. Tell them where they went wrong.

    >works on low IQ people

    You're proof that it doesn't. It takes a higher IQ to think critically . They'll understand.

    >low IQ strategy from Ziggy 'low IQ" Sawdust

    If you're older than 9, act it.

    >p.s. don't mention cadaver dogs, rental car, 48 questions, new forensics in Lisbon.

    Yes, dogs don't lie etc ( repeat until worthwhile). 48 questions, 3 at most involving abduction (ergo 45 irrelevant).Well paid legal team's advice:''no comment answers''.New forensics in Lisbon. What of it ?

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  55. Anonymous1 May 2017 at 21:48

    ''personally im just waiting for ziggy to use the words coconut or pork in relation to the dogs and then..........BINGO !!!!!''

    Coconut.Pork.Bingo. There you go, all three.

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    1. Björn1 May 2017 at 21:36

      Yes, I get it. You're saying everyone should have the right to express their opinions.I didn't say they shouldn't. I said they should state clearly that they're merely opinions or theories and add why they believe them.Nobody expects proof. So nobody should advance theories as though they were.The fact that we're still at May 03 2007, ten years later should give you the clue as to what's going to happen in the case.Nothing. It's too late to use the sniffer dogs and forensics now as there'd be too much backlash as to why it's taken so long. All that crap's as good as in the bin.It's lying next to the dreary old so-called eye witness testimony that's been dismissed for so long. Opinions are all any of us will ever have.it will remain officially unsolved. The only alternative for the police is to spin a confession from a long -dead perpetrator who isn't here to defend himself but whoever he confessed to is prepared to start singing the song written for him. If the Mccanns were ever going to go down for anything concerning this case they'd be eligible for parole by now. The Police would have been seen to have actually have been earning the tax payers money as a salary,and the case wouldn't have drained so much out of the same pocket.So why go to all that expense, and risk your reputation just to keep two holiday makers innocent ? It's ludicrous to consider that. Don't forget, the conspiracy that the antis see also risks the careers and reputations of more than just one police force and a forensics team. That's an awful lot of chips on the table there. For two holiday makers ? No chance.

      Politicians care little for anyone other than politicians or bankers.That's the lot.Nobody else matters, as Common purpose is slowly showing us all. This amount of time, this amount of money, and this amount of alleged tampering with potentially useful evidence will NOT be to protect anyone lower than their own circle.

      The case has many features. One of the most important, due to it being unprecedented in a criminal investigation, is the political 'interest' in it all from day one . The next time all of you followers of the case are reflecting and reviewing the sources of your oft-quoted and allegedly incriminating statements, consider this : In terms of percentage, how much print or TV interviews touch that area ?It's occasionally mentioned, almost in passing, but nobody dare linger.

      To the so-called 'experts' who blog so often and the so called experts( ex detectives etc) involved in the case who come up with silly theories and spin i say this :

      To quote Lt Kenda :

      1: Don't tell me what you think.

      2: Don't tell me what you believe.

      3: Tell me what you can prove.

      'til then..nobody has a genuine advantage, no matter how loud they shout or how often they repeat.

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    2. Ziggy at 00:44 - 'it's too late to use the sniffer dogs and forensics now......'

      Of all the rubbish you have written above Ziggy, this quote is the most ridiculous. Sniffer dogs and forensics and indeed every piece of evidence gathered in 2007 and ever since, is just as relevant today.

      How any cold cases have we seen where new technology has been used on items preserved for decades. The Police have warehouses of evidence they couldn't be used at the time, NOBODY thinks 'well it didn't produce a result, so let's chuck it out'. Old evidence doesn't have an expiry date.

      You might call the dogs findings crap and the eye witness evidence dreary, but it may prove crucial in any trial.

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  56. swat the fly before your blog becomes on laughing stock - oh hold on too late.

    Pathetic that you allow it on your blog.

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  57. @01:00

    Your comment is allowed, too.

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  58. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton2 May 2017 at 00:18

    ''So you don't have faith in either the British or the Portuguese investigations then Ziggy? Why not?
    You have cited both of them as clearing the McCanns, so why do you lack faith in them?''

    I think a combined force of SY and PJ and ten years is enough to have anyone lose faith in their competence.The alternative is that they've been told where to direct their attention and where not to.The latter, of course, would be down to their bosses and any criticism should be aimed at them.But the Police shouldn't jump every time a whistle blows.There has to be one with the integrity to blow the whistle himself-even if anonymously. I don't mean with theories-we've had more than enough. I mean concerning 'orders'. We've bought the 'protecting the McCanns' red herring that keeps them in the cross hairs of the mob. We've bought the rejection of evidence. We've bought the stranger abduction.And some have made their own shite up and sold it to each other. Who's going to go rogue and and burst the bubble ? To quote the late , great John Lennon : ''just gimme some truth..''

    (I'm sick and tired of hearing things from

    Uptight short sided narrow minded hypocrites

    All I want is the truth, just give me some truth

    I've had enough of reading things

    By neurotic psychotic pigheaded politicians

    All I want is the truth, just give me some truth)

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    1. Cagey answer Ziggy, and btw, the only one who has bought the rejection of the evidence is you.

      Are you suggesting a police officer, either from the OG or the PJ should whistle blow? Not with their own theories on what has happened to Madeleine, but on the 'orders' they have been given?

      We are looking for the truth Ziggy, that's why we are keeping open minds.

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    2. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton2 May 2017 at 13:27

      '' Sniffer dogs and forensics and indeed every piece of evidence gathered in 2007 and ever since, is just as relevant today.''

      And just as useful apparently.

      ''How any cold cases have we seen where new technology has been used on items preserved for decades. ''

      A hell of a lot. Some cases are revisited by detectives who were probably kids in school when the actual crimes were committed but, fresh eyes, fresh approach and determination and they find what was missed before.But this case has never been allowed to go cold-or even warm.It's been all over the media and all over the internet and subjected to every possible online detective's manic ramblings.So, in this particular wish you're clinging too, we should hope every copper involved past and present eventually retires, the press go to bed and then some new bright spark reopens the can of worms at a later date . What will he read on the labels of the forensic evidence? And what will his superiors say ?

      ''NOBODY thinks 'well it didn't produce a result, so let's chuck it out'. Old evidence doesn't have an expiry date. ''

      Nobody thinks, ''the Government should throw millions at this missing child case''. Nor do they think ''a child's gone missing-where's the prime minister !''. They wouldn't think ''that detective leading the case has suspects already-we should send our government in to get him removed''. Nothing about this case allows parallels to be drawn, no matter what your agenda or wishes may be.

      ''You might call the dogs findings crap and the eye witness evidence dreary, but it may prove crucial in any trial.''

      That's what everyone thought as soon as the dogs did their 'thing'. It's what thousands of the mob think too, depending which particular witness impresses them.But the public-including the screamers online- don't get to decide a thing.Those who do must have had their reasons to ignore the dogs and eye witnesses-what could they be ?

      Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton2 May 2017 at 13:34

      ''Cagey answer Ziggy, and btw, the only one who has bought the rejection of the evidence is you. ''

      When i use the word 'bought' in this context it means accepted it without challenging those who sold us it. Because thousands of lunatics gather round hundreds of online cauldrons chanting the same mantras day in day out, it doesn't equate to a challenge of the establishment, it's an agreement to disagree with it. The fight's never taken to anyone so the anger gets turned into poison and fired at the parents.Why not at those who rejected the findings and sacked St Amaral ?

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    3. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton2 May 2017 at 13:27

      ''Are you suggesting a police officer, either from the OG or the PJ should whistle blow? Not with their own theories on what has happened to Madeleine, but on the 'orders' they have been given? ''

      It only takes one finger to flick one card and the whole house falls.Yes.

      ''We are looking for the truth Ziggy, that's why we are keeping open minds.''

      Open minds ? Are you actually serious ? Didn't you say only recently that you're satisfied in your own mind that after years of researching this case you know what the truth is ? It's clear that you hope what the truth is. That's different. Open minds examine all angles objectively and reality test everything that doesn't have any tangible evidence to support it.

      ''Of all the rubbish you have written above Ziggy..''

      Rubbish is in the eye of the beholder. I like to try and bring reason to the table( that open mindedness you just mentioned). Reason challenges ranting and mad theorising that has nothing to support it but is fuelled with rage and irrationality.Reason is viewed as a threat isn't it-in certain quarters.If i post -as you want to call it- 'rubbish' then it would be more mature to point out why it's rubbish don't you think ?Dismantle it and show me the alternative to said 'rubbish' that holds more water due to it having more to back it up.

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  59. If you were Mi5 and had to weigh up between five senior doctors seeing over 50,000 appointments every year, even before ward rounds and many lives saved, often children.

    Then there was the disappearance of a small child abroad.
    Which would you protect?

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  60. >another day
    >more bad headlines for the family
    >Dacre/Rothermere have a long memory
    >short term victories/poor long-term strategy
    >family continue to believe they can 'manage' the media
    >no one asking why they are spending Madeleine Fund money on PR/legal action... yet.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4466364/McCanns-wouldn-t-share-information-police.html

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  61. Anonymous2 May 2017 at 16:18

    ''If you were Mi5 and had to weigh up between five senior doctors seeing over 50,000 appointments every year, even before ward rounds and many lives saved, often children.Then there was the disappearance of a small child abroad.Which would you protect?''

    If I was MI5 my first question would be to ask why I was even being sent to a missing-presumed abducted-child case. MI5 is a counter-intelligence outfit-not a police force.Then I'd ask what counter-intelligence has to do with a kidnapped child. Depending on the answers i received, I'd then make decisions. I think the decisions made in May 07 suggest it wasn't a run of the mill police case.


    The first thing to do in a possible abduction is get as many police on the ground fast and start closing borders.Then you start seeking out possible eye witnesses while the forensics go to work in the background. That started.Then, just after UK joined in-it stopped and changes were made. Not by UK Police, but those above UK Police. Since then-stalemate. Game over.

    Harold Shipman had seen more patients than the taps 7(or 9) in a career that had started before they were even born.Nobody protected him.






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    1. "The fight against foreign espionage is not just a matter for MI5. We also work closely with the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS), Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), other government departments, the police where appropriate, and other security and intelligence organisations in the UK and overseas."

      https://www.mi5.gov.uk/espionage

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    2. What you may not realise is Mi5 features very heavily in the NHS. All staff have to report any member who may show signs of any alliance with ISIS.

      Did you know that we are treating freedom fighters from Iraq? No of course you didn't. Because you know nothing.

      A bomb at an entrance is cleared and life resumes.

      Imagine though your child's doctor is taken in for questioning and you no longer have access.

      My child or Madeleine?

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  62. "A local businessman, who did not wish to be named, remembered seeing dozens of people comb the village for Madeleine.

    “It is something we will have to live with and we may never know what happened,” he said. “People here never forget – when you walk or drive around, you see reminders of what happened. I remember watching people searching the beach with torches from about 10.30pm. People were searching for days.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-4467300/Portuguese-prayers-Madeleine-McCann-day-2007-disappearance.html

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  63. http://expresso.sapo.pt/dossies/diario/2017-05-02-Pedro-do-Carmo-Os-pais-de-Maddie-nao-sao-suspeitos.-Ponto

    Pedro do Carmo
    Parents not suspects

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  64. Do you think it was a mistake to have the McCann couple constituted as arguidos in September 2007?

    Pedro do Carmo
    Obviously, I will not answer that question. But what I can say, just as I did back in 2011 and 2013, is that Maddie's parents are not suspects. That statement remains: the parents are not suspects. Period.

    expresso and joana morais

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    1. That sounds pretty final, but as we all know, there have been many cases where police have declared central characters 'not suspects' then arrested them shortly after. I don't know if we can take statements such as these as the final word.

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    2. >all need to accept the family are not involved in MM's death.
      >now let PJ/OG get on with asking about what happened to the young girl, now we have all the 'killers' stuff out of the way.
      >calm, rational leads to be followed up, innocently.

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  65. Anonymous2 May 2017 at 21:11

    ''"The fight against foreign espionage is not just a matter for MI5. We also work closely with the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS), Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), other government departments, the police where appropriate, and other security and intelligence organisations in the UK and overseas."

    That makes it even more suspicious that they'd be called in to oversee and manipulate a police investigation in that case really.The 'police were appropriate' is the 'get out' . Under what circumstances would the Police require back up from a secret intelligence service or GHCQ ? Apart from the supposed constant 'terror' threats we get bombarded by, i see little else. Certainly not the suspected kidnapping of child either home or abroad. If it was standard practice we'd need more people in MI5 than the armed forces.

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    1. >more low tier distraction
      >MI5, domestic - even if you take their role out of context.
      >coordinate with MI6 re: foreign threats inside UK.
      >esources deployed to N.I/Islamist threat.
      >just another sideshow of Mr Amaral; Mrs Morais; Mr Bennett et al.

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  66. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton2 May 2017 at 22:49

    ''That sounds pretty final, but as we all know, there have been many cases where police have declared central characters 'not suspects' then arrested them shortly after. I don't know if we can take statements such as these as the final word.''

    A blow to the antis at first glance. It's true to say that cleared suspects can be arrested at a later date.But that would require new evidence, and pretty reliable evidence at that. Another consideration is that of a 'decoy'. Police have often issued, on camera via the TV news, categorical statements they know are complete lies to make it look like an investigation is looking solely in one direction and on one suspect. That strategy has been successful in fooling the real suspect they have in mind into relaxing and stop looking over his shoulder. He stops running. Then he's lifted.

    In this case, I'd say the clever money's on the the statement being true.The ten years is the clue.What odds would a bookie give you on the McCanns getting brought in now ?Pretty large i'd say. If evidence existed against them, they have no need to play mind games then pounce-they're at home.

    It doesn't bode well for a conclusion to the case. It looks more like a loose end being tied up.They were looking for 'one man' last month, then, following a sex change we weren't informed of, it was one woman. They'll 'look' anywhere because they're not really looking.The Police might be, but they're just being told to look and investigate.Nothing will be found - and nobody. It would cause a political earthquake in my personal opinion.Not to mention a societal backlash. Game, set, and match, unfortunately.

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  67. "The word abduction however, is a valuable commodity. It increases police funding and has led to all sorts of crisis management and PR industries."

    Oh FFS, Ros, this is just loopy. You need to bounce your theories off someone else before spouting rubbish like this.

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  68. A detective tipped to head up the Madeleine McCann probe was warned he would be ordered to prove she was abducted and ignore other leads.
    Colin Sutton said a high-ranking friend in the Met called him and warned him not to lead the case when Scotland Yard announced it would get involved in 2010.
    The source warned that he would be tasked with proving her parents Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignoring any alternatives to the abduction theory, he claims.

    Well i think that pretty much backs up what you and others have been saying Ros, straight from the horses mouth , it will be interesting what the space cadet has to say about this latest revelation ?

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    1. 01:25

      "it will be interesting what the space cadet has to say about this latest revelation ?"

      To which of several wannabe astronauts are you referring exactly?

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    2. Anonymous 3 May 2017 at 01:25

      Your research seems to be lacking. The space cowboy was been taken away by his employer to a hot place a while ago. However, the man in tights, who had been formed from the cowboy’s dandruff before the cowboy’s departure and who frequently posts here, may be able to trip you if he is ‘within’ his mind.

      Respect.

      T

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  69. British sniffer dog detected the scent of a body inside the apartment of Madeleine McCann

    http://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/caes-cheiraram-morte-de-maddie?ref=HP_Destaque_Rel

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  70. "A detective tipped to head up the Madeleine McCann probe was warned he would be ordered to prove she was abducted and ignore other leads.

    Colin Sutton said a high-ranking friend in the Met called him and warned him not to lead the case when Scotland Yard announced it would get involved in 2010.

    The source warned that he would be tasked with proving her parents Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignoring any alternatives to the abduction theory, he claims."

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4467832/Met-interested-proving-McCann-parents-innocent.html

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  71. Greetings and thanks for a great blog.
    Many years ago in the Soham case I too typed in the search engine what is wrong with this case. And Clarence Mitchell popped up and they had Huntley as their patsy which was easy as it was only the British cops. This is the google page - very worthwhile perusing. It seems the powers that be use Mitchell as their patsy set up.
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=ian+huntley+was+a+patsy+us+military+base&form=U270DF&pc=U270
    Have always maintained you want to crack this case, crack Mitchell.

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  72. "by Get'emGonçalo Today at 8:34
    Last night I felt like pulling the plug in disgust.
    But then I got out of the bath and went to bed instead.

    And this morning there's PeterMac...and all's well again."
    -----------------------------------------------

    Good God - are they sleeping together??????

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  73. https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14072-pedro-do-carmo-maddie-s-parents-are-not-suspects-period#365983

    by Get'emGonçalo Today at 7:55

    “PeterMac says we're to ignore this.

    But I won't elaborate further.”

    says the CMoMM forum owner.

    Note the imperative.

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  74. Any comments with regard to http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/kate-and-gerry-mccann-ten-year-interview.html ?

    ---------

    Rosalinda, are you able to c/p now?

    Regards

    T

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    1. Hi T, where have you been, I've missed you!

      No, sorry on the c/p but I will try again.

      I'm not a fan of Mr. Hyatt and his statement analysis T, though having said that I did take a look. My problem with Peter Hyatt is that he does not take into account the circumstances that prevailed at any given time. That is, he judging the words, rather than the context. Separating the language from the 80% of communication that is non verbal, makes no sense. He clearly hasn't read Saussure or Chomsky!

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    2. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton 3 May 2017 at 13:53

      “Hi T, where have you been, I've missed you!”

      I’ve been lost in the mist, spaced-out because of the benevolent influence of our man in tights, M’lady.

      I wish you’d get in the grove with this c/p business. More problems – give us a shout.

      I’m on the run. Talk later?

      Bless.

      T :)

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    3. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton 3 May 2017 at 13:53

      Afternoon, Rosalinda

      I can’t speak for Peter or what he does. I had in mind several posts on one of your threads some time back, where the question of value of Statement Analysis was more than adequately dealt with. I’m not in a position to recommend SA, but I can wholeheartedly recommend reading those posts.

      IIRC, you partook in the exchange with the writer.

      If you are interested, please let me know and I’ll post the links.

      Let’s start c/p(ing), shall we?

      I shall return for a bite of Saussure and Chomsky in due course if I may.

      Bless.

      T

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  75. "Their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said:

    “Gerry did give a hairbrush to Mr Krugel at the time to assist in his work."

    https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/951414/madeleine-mccanns-hairbrush-handed-to-parents-10-years-after-her-disappearance/


    Kate McCann said ('madeleine'):

    “So, in the second week of June, we had confided in Auntie Janet and our friend Amanda back in Leicestershire and got them to go round to our house looking for hairs that could only be Madeleine’s. They came up with five head hairs from the inside of a coat hood and a couple of eyelashes from her pillow and couriered the lot off to Danie in South Africa.”

    No hairbrush.

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    1. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm#1-2oa327-336

      327 to 336 Translation of FSS statement Andrew Lloyd Palmer 2007.11.09
      327-333 Madeleine's hair AL Palmer

      "I received [obtained] information from the pillow-case SJM/1, the tops SJM2, 4 and 5, and the hairbrush SJM/36 belonging to Madeleine McCann or used by her. The hair found on these objects was used in substitution of [in place of] reference samples of her hair, [which were] not considered to be authentic samples of her hair.

      No hair was recovered from the pillow-case SJM/1 nor the hairbrush SJM/36.

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  76. According to a spokesperson for Trinity Mirror, Phillips’ new seven-day role represents a “significant change to our working practices”. She said Phillips would “focus on our editorial strategy, exploring and defining our priorities and ensuring that these are clearly communicated so that we all have clarity on our editorial direction and how this will be achieved”.

    Alison Phillips (focusing, exploring, defining and ensuring):

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mccanns-mark-10-agonising-years-10343580

    “Another agonising ¬anniversary for the McCann family. Another opportunity for slug-like Portuguese ¬ex-cop Goncalo Amaral to crawl out of his hole and slither around in their pain.”

    Charming…
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    Thinking of Madeleine, bless her.

    Peace.

    T

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    1. Unbelievable! No insult is too offensive when it comes to the detective who searched for Madeleine McCann! I sincerely hope all the detectives of Operation Grange read that, because there, but for the grace of God etc, that could be any one of them.

      My one consolation is that one day creatures like Allison Phillips will eat their ill chosen words.

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    2. "Amaral was convicted of perjury in May 2009 and received an 18-month, suspended, prison sentence"

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    3. With regard to the latest exercise in splitting hairs out of desperation I'd point out that out of all DNA testing, hairs are probably the least reliable as evidence and most overstated. Possibly a hair follicle would yield something, but that's about it. If the sniffer dogs and blood didn't pass muster what chance have hairs from a brush or pillow got ?

      Alison Phillips is playing to the galleries for her editor. I warned you that the anniversary would be a competition among the tabloids for the most dramatic and eye-catching headline. And it worked. This lunatic is a self publicist. She's a middle aged bitter feminist whose world view from inside her bubble has little to support it. She's redefining gender roles and the new 'zeitgeist' according to her own views alone.Subjective, narrow and pretentious.She's invented a demographic all by herself. She's also invented the 'turquoise top' in case you spot she's running a red top BS rag. Some media clown will get her on the chat TV chat circuit soon.

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    4. su3 May 2017 at 08:08

      Glad you reminded me of that. I mentioned it myself here not long ago. But the tabloid/blogger types don't like it. The busiest pub in that village ( thanks to the local air base) wasn't happy to have Mitchell's circus use it as a base for his bullshit operations. They weren't particularly enamoured by the greaseballs from Sky TV either. Huntley was a weird chap. He was a woman beater too.The latter should have got him a kicking or two but the former is par for the course these days. His head was mashed under the mental health act illegally.By the time he stood trial he didn't know if it was Friday or Christmas.No mainstream outlets touched on the child killer who was at that air base where the bodies were found, the mystery green car, or the two different places the bodies were discovered initially. And Maxine Carr was given a sentence of 5 minutes and then evaporated into thin air. You point out that Mitchell's the Government's man. Correct. They also have a judge or two that use a fair amount of petrol.

      Anonymous3 May 2017 at 07:11

      ''British sniffer dog detected the scent of a body inside the apartment of Madeleine McCann''

      How come the Police were not made aware of this information ? Or were they ? Did they just say it was unreliable.

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    5. Anonymous3 May 2017 at 08:08

      ''The source warned that he would be tasked with proving her parents Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignoring any alternatives to the abduction theory, he claims''

      Good to see an actual name - Colin Sutton- rather than 'source'. He obviously isn't a Freemason or he'd be in the Thames by now.The wording troubles me, though. The 'source'(there it is again) warned that he 'would be' tasked with. I'd love the 'source' to be named and it would be better to read that Sutton 'was' told rather than 'would be'. I believe him either way as everything that's happened( or not happened) would seem to validate his story.

      I said only a few posts above this, and on other threads, that everything that's happened in this investigation suggested that the McCanns had been thrown into the firing line of mobs thanks to the long, long, long debate over dogs and blood and it's eventual 'shelving'. It was the smoke that told everyone there was a fire.And it worked a treat.The flames have been furiously fanned ever since.

      The detectives have been globe trotting ever since pretending to follow a number of the thousands of 'sightings'. People got on to that game 4 years ago. Nobody kept tuning in to the news expecting a news flash. It's all smoke and mirrors. If the police had that remit ( as Sutton claims) so soon there had to be a reason. Again, I'm not buying that so much determination to throw a guard around two holiday makers makes any sense. It was a decoy. It still is and will remain so.

      I've never said the McCanns were guilty or innocent in this show as i knew i couldn't cite any evidence. But I question everything. I've stated my curiosity regarding what GM privately suspects has gone on. All media interviews are tightly controlled.That's not natural and it's also why all the 'expert' face and speech readers can't be considered reliable. They're reading a show, not a display of true nature. GM has almost lost it once or twice, particularly when talking about 'media moguls' and it was him who demanded an independent inquiry. Would he do that if he was A-guilty- or B- had trust and faith in the Police ? We're learning now that relationships were 'strained' with everyone involved.

      The Sutton revelation brings to mind the remit passed by LBJ directly to the Warren commission 'find Oswald guilty as a lone nut' and his direct phone call to the hospital to tell the surgeon-who said Oswald was going to pull through- to get a 'death bed confession'.The official narrative was already ready.It just needed the right people to feed the public. They reckon 99% of Americans bought it.Today 99% realise that Governments and Police forces can do what they like and utilise the media to lie to us. Welcome to the free world. Some things never change.

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    6. Ziggy @17:38

      "This lunatic [Alison Phillips] is a self publicist. She's a middle aged bitter feminist whose world view from inside her bubble has little to support it. She's redefining gender roles and the new 'zeitgeist' according to her own views alone.Subjective, narrow and pretentious.She's invented a demographic all by herself. She's also invented the 'turquoise top' in case you spot she's running a red top BS rag. Some media clown will get her on the chat TV chat circuit soon."

      LOL

      "I’m pretty normal,” says Alison Phillips, editor of the UK’s new daily newspaper, the New Day. She repeats it several times because it turns out to be more of a mantra than a personal statement."

      "She sees two ingredients of her recipe as crucial: “balanced opinion” and “positivity”.

      "Phillips also emphasises that, as a responsible journalist, she passionately believes in people being properly informed. But she is convinced it can be achieved without depressing them. “I know what normal people want,” she says for the umpteenth time. “Look, if I have one qualification for this job, it’s that I’m normal. That’s my thing, my only real skill.”

      LOL

      https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/mar/06/new-day-editor-alison-phillps-normal-women

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  77. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton 3 May 2017 at 14:01

    Indeed…


    A reflection on 'Trinity Mirror + Alison'

    Judging by Alison’s ‘high explosive’ prose, perhaps someone out there fancies themselves as another Robert Oppenheimer (John Donne > Los Alamos > Manhattan Project > Jornada del Muerto > Trinity).

    Come back, Richard, all is forgiven.

    Peace.

    T

    PS (Richard = Richard Feynman)

    A question for the interested:

    Two mutually exclusive conjectures as to one and the same event.
    No known evidence that either of the two conjectures is true or false.

    Is it logically correct to give preference to the one conjecture over the other?

    Please feel free to use the notions of BULLSHIT and BIAS in you answer.

    Please justify you answer if you can and and/or feel like doing so.

    Those with the correct answer, regardless of justification, will get an ice-cream with a topping of their choice, a link to a crucial observation aas well as links to learned articles on both bulshit and bias.

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  78. ''A question for the interested:
    Two mutually exclusive conjectures as to one and the same event.
    No known evidence that either of the two conjectures is true or false.
    Is it logically correct to give preference to the one conjecture over the other?''

    It is one thing to give preference( believe) to one or the other. It's a different thing to push it as truth or fact. The key words in the question : 'no known evidence'. As there is no known evidence to support either position, there is no known logic to claim to 'know' what the right position is. Any claims should be, therefore, considered illogical.

    V ( Sign language :Spock)

    A flake , a drizzle of watercress sauce, and some ground pork scratchings please.

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    1. ZiggySawdust 3 May 2017 at 18:12

      Wrong again. We are not amused. A seven-day fast in isolation as from today.

      We command Cassiodorus that you be re-examined in the liberal arts of the trivium and the quadrivium next year before you may be allowed, pending your exam results, to have another go at the liberal art par excellence. Your Theology degree is suspended until further notice.

      (And don’t come to Our chambers in these awful vulcanised rubber tights of yours again, boy. Terribly unbecoming!)

      Benjamin didn’t ‘sign’.

      Spock off for now.

      Theoderic

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  79. Anonymous3 May 2017 at 16:47

    ''What you may not realise is Mi5 features very heavily in the NHS. All staff have to report any member who may show signs of any alliance with ISIS...Did you know that we are treating freedom fighters from Iraq? No of course you didn't. Because you know nothing''

    Was that furious inner dialogue spilling onto a blog or is it relevant ?

    ''Imagine though your child's doctor is taken in for questioning and you no longer have access.''

    I can't imagine that as I can't decipher the sentence.

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    1. ZiggySawdust 3 May 2017 at 19:04

      “I can't imagine that as I can't decipher the sentence.”

      Go and see Alan, he’ll help, he used to like men in tights.

      T ;)

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  80. Hi Rosalinda and others
    While the British MSM discuss private family life with McCanns, international media try their best to highlight all known facts and circumstances surrounding the Madeleine case, so that their readers and viewers may form their own opinions about what actually happened.

    How McCanns feel today, what they plan to do, or not do on the 10th anniversary (today), how much they dislike trolls on social media and what they in general think about people, who don’t believe them are of course interesting, but not really so relevant for the understanding of what happened 10 years ago and of what's still going on in the British-Portuguese investigation.

    A general view, false or wrong, among journalists outside the U K , who report on criminal cases in general seems to be that the Portuguese P J have essentially been investigating the McCanns, while the British are just pursuing the abduction hypothesis.

    Referring to people here in Sweden, who, from an objective perspective, have now for the first time learnt, about facts in the case, most of them say that they just cannot believe, that the McCanns are innocent. So I have to say just like the French commentator on this blog May 1 at 10.04 “Excusez-moi, mais c'est comme ça.” Or in Swedish; Förlåt mig, men det är bara så.


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  81. >15 minutes of reading above commentary
    >people still pushing "no evidence" mantra as if it is a court
    >no ability to interpret events by some
    >deliberate attempt to misrepresent events by others
    >people still not facing up to cadaver dogs and the rental car
    >people still running their poundland psychological operations online while the real game changer is violently being played out in print and on screen

    On a serious note. If you believe in God, say a prayer for the family. As Brits we're all guilty to an extent. It takes a village to raise a child and greed, ego, dishonesty are traits the family picked up in our country. Still shocked at the professionalisation of such scummy behaviour, however.

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  82. "... the real game changer is violently being played out in print and on screen"

    Spot on. While PR can't wait to shout and scream, silence can wait for a long time. Until someone decides that the time has come to break it.

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  83. So, the latest 'lead' is the 'lady in purple'. Putting all these sightings together from all the sources, it's hard to see how the Tapas bar ever made any money. Everyone seems to be out and about watching strangers or secreted somewhere noting 'suspicious' behaviour.What a load of Boll. And who should come up with this lightning strike of a revelation but none other than Jenny Murat. Ten years on she has total recall of it. Quite remarkable when considering that her and her baby boy, Robert, could only remember their own names at the time. The rest was a study in amnesia-an apparent family trait it would seem. Yet, a 'police insider' ( erm-Clarence by any chance ?) has called it a 'huge step forward'. Another one ? Forward to where and what exactly ? All steps forward thus far have lead backwards..

    Jenny M described how she'd seen this woman lurking days before the event. The woman was alone and dressed in 'purple plum' ( not wanting to draw attention there then).She adds that Robert was at home. Why she discloses this information only she knows. It had nothing to do with spotting lurkers.But I suppose she must have had her reasons to let it be known Robert was elsewhere.

    According to Mrs M, she drove past the lady in purple who was apparently stood watching a flat. Really ? What was she expecting the flat to do-a cartwheel ? She adds how unusual it is to see such a thing. If you're waiting for someone, what would you do ? Stand outside and stare at the clouds( equally unusual) ?But, we're told, Mrs M thought it was 'suspicious'. Given what happened at one of those flats a few days later, her questioning from the police and that of her son, wouldn't you think she'd share her suspicions at the time ? If she was as concerned as she(and her son) claimed , any information could have been valuable-especially of 'suspicious lurkers'. So, why didn't she ? ''Officers here never questioned me about her, I suppose they had other leads initially to follow up.'' Yeah, that sounds nothing whatsoever like an official line she's been told to endorse does it.Bullshitter.Mrs M says she witnessed this so called suspicious behaviour only a 'few days before' May 03. The tabloids report that she was seen two hours before the event.Ten years on, the liars still haven't learnt how to get the story straight before selling it.

    The Police have since said that they know 'purple' isn't living in Portugal. How ? You'd have to know who the woman is before you can say where she does or doesn't live.

    Footnote.

    Robert Murat 2013 : ''you cannot lose sight of the fact that a child was taken and we need to know what happened to her. I believe it will come out one day.”

    The correct phrase would be ''I believe it will be solved one day,'' or even ''I believe we'll all know one day''. To say ''come out one day'' suggests that it's 'in' somewhere now and will later be 'out'. He's implying it's hidden. How does he know, or why is he so confident of it.

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    1. >distract, distract
      >subtly imply an innocent man is guilty
      >continue to be 'low IQ' Ziggy but also s bit evil

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    2. I'm really not a fan of the scathing way you speak about people you do not know. Robert Murat and his mother Jenny, offered the police and the McCanns and indeed, their friends, every assistance. To say they barely knew their own names is a slur for the sake of it.

      There is no evidence against Robert Murat and he has co-operated throughout - not the actions of someone with something to hide.

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  84. Anonymous3 May 2017 at 22:02

    yeah, you're 'enigmatic' - we get it.

    You're opinion about me -or anyone else you don't know who posts online-is pointless.The emphasised IQ remark is silly, as is the 'evil'. if i was sure you were lucid for long enough spells, I'd ask you to support it.But I'm not.So I won't. I'll file it-and you- with the rest of the kids who think they're hilarious and cutting. sad..

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    1. >claims opinion is pointless
      >low IQ leads Ziggy to respond

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  85. Hi Ros, Bjorn & others.

    Thanks for the insight of the Swedish media on this case, it's more accurate picture of what's going on than what were reading here. I've just read the DM's online statement by Colin Sutton. I'm with Ziggy on this one, it's good too see a name & also a serving Met Officer coming out and saying what I imagine a lot of police officers are thinking about on this case. He's not saying the McCanns are guilty but the investigation shouldn't have been so narrow focussed. One point I need to raise with Ziggy is whether he is or not a Freemason, it has absolutely no bearing on this case. I was a Freemason for 11 years and it was a fantastic 11 years, had to give it up when my son was born as it can be time & costly consuming. Anyway it's like any other organisation, company or club with members from all walks of life. Favours are granted, promotion is sometimes done if your face fits but also there are internal disputes which can last for years. With my experience to be a Freemason you have to believe in God or Supreme Being and be an upstanding law abiding citizen. If say for arguments sake that the masons were involved in a cover up and it came to light, the fall out would be catastrophic for Freemasonry, especially as numbers are dwindling. Freemasonry is not a secret society, it's a society that has secrets, just like any other organisation.

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    1. @John100 4 May 2017 at 01:31
      "If say for arguments sake that the masons were involved in a cover up and it came to light, the fall out would be catastrophic for Freemasonry, especially as numbers are dwindling."

      Oh, FFS, John. Why go to such lengths with your imagination? It's pretty simple. She was taken, and everything that has followed makes sense.

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    2. Hi John 100
      Interesting stuff really. Looking forward to hearing more about the Freemasons and their role, on different levels, in the British society, as it may help us to better understand what the Madeleine case is all about in the U K.

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    3. John100 4 May 2017 at 01:31

      Afternoon, John

      re: Colin Sutton

      Trust, but check.

      See:
      Anonymous 3 May 2017 at 16:47 at http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/mccanns-anniversary-interview-with.html?showComment=1493826478490#c8445210224234947855

      Respect.

      T

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  86. http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/mccanns-anniversary-interview-with.html?showComment=1493705332591#c5792175735526703516

    2 May 2017 at 07:08 The Truth according to the ‘dust’man in tights:

    “To quote the late , great John Lennon : ''just gimme some truth..''

    (I'm sick and tired of hearing things from

    Uptight short sided narrow minded hypocrites

    All I want is the truth, just give me some truth

    I've had enough of reading things

    By neurotic psychotic pigheaded politicians

    All I want is the truth, just give me some truth)”

    Take some:

    “Just-give-me-money-That’s-all-I-want”-Deep-pockets-short-arms-“I-just-believe-in-me-Yoko-and-me”- “If-you-want-to-be-a-hero-well-just-follow-me” John? No, thank you, I’d rather not, John.

    You were the dream weaver, but the dream is over, John. You bit the dust.

    And I love you still.
    And I always will,
    John.

    Peace (unlike you, John, not in bed).

    T

    John gone, the dust survived the bite. “Oh dear, what can I do?” Its tights are black and I’m feeling blue. “Tell me, oh what can I do?” … :)

    Namaste, Liverpool. Long may you live!

    Respect, Julian! You are the man! Respect!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/4713954/Dad-was-a-hypocrite.-He-could-talk-about-peace-and-love-to-the-world-but-he-could-never-show-it-to-his-wife-and-son.html

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  87. http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/somethings-changed.html?showComment=1493382861900#c4292055250546996818

    ZiggySawdust 28 April 2017 at 13:34

    Namaste (‘11:37’ and your good self).

    “No I don't, and have said as much severla times.”

    Yes, I’ve heard you “severla” times. Thank you.

    “It's negligence.It isn't murder though.”

    Negligence it is.

    “…murder…”? The word you continue repeating! Where has ‘11:37’ or anyone but yourself referred murder on this blog?

    You are screaming “murder”, others think of the McCann children (family). Some are “Screamin’ the Blues”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2666T75IHQ at 6:39, Eric on bass clarinet

    “Because it wasn't deemed by the authorities as negligence is the only conclusion I can think of.”

    You mean, no doubt, ‘by the conspiring authorities’? I notice thinking is not your strong suit on this occasion.

    “See above.”

    See above.

    “…it was money that came from the Government originally…”

    “originally” or not, you said it. Prove it (as you like to say)! Or as I would say, justify/substantiate it!

    “Hatred ?”

    My answer would be along the lines of “From the deepest desires often come the deadliest hate.”, attributed to Socrates, where ‘the deepest desire’ would be justice in the case of Madeleine McCann.

    “Compared to the bile and accusations thrown around about the parents, very little is said on blogs and social media about the children.”

    You don’t say…

    McCann children and very much less with that of their parents.''

    I take the liberty of recasting the above for your benefit as follows: ‘11:37’ has little concern for the McCanns as negligent parents. ‘11:37’ is concerned, as are so many, with the wellbeing of the three McCann children.

    Please do not impute to ‘11:37’ that which ‘11:37’ did not say.

    “' It's psychology that comes up with 'good moves'”

    Deep Blue’s progeny is waiting to take you on (that): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Blue_versus_Garry_Kasparov
    Let’s see how well you’ll do, shall we?

    “‘Good', however is a subjective idea.”

    Hooey! Huy! You haven’t been talking to Jesus lately then. The Devil’s let slip you are frequently in touch.

    “So is 'justice', apparently.”

    So is 'justice'? You need to tell that to the McCanns, surely, and to the Portuguese High and Appellate Courts to shut them up. ‘11:37’ said: ''I am concerned, as are so many, with the wellbeing of the three

    The time has come to get to the till to pay the bill
    “For the times they are a-changing”.

    Most of us here présent left kindergarten a long time ago. Do behave accordingly. Do discontinue accusing the Host(ess) and Björn. Zola you are not. Stand to attention and be counted, comrade.

    “Good.Nice.”

    You are always too kind. Flattery does not obfuscate your errors however.

    “I believe in psychology.”

    So do I. My rational belief in psychology as a domain of enquiry does not necessitate my presuming that Bobby Fisher was wrong to say as quoted.

    “It's minds that make mistakes and minds that are influential and influenced.”

    How unreasonable it is, then, to incarcerate people for their minds’ mistakes! When doing jury service, you did share this ‘knowledge’ of yours with the presiding judge, I take it.

    “It's psychology that comes up with 'good moves'.”

    Perhaps, having invited Shakespeare to this blog, you might also consider inviting psychology to help you make good ‘moves’.

    Are we good?

    Put on your red tights and dance the blues…

    And keep the red flag flying.

    Peace.

    Mao

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  88. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton4 May 2017 at 10:12

    ''I'm really not a fan of the scathing way you speak about people you do not know.''

    I know, it's disgusting. When was the last time you had tea and scones with Mr and Mrs McCann ?

    ''To say they barely knew their own names is a slur for the sake of it. ''

    At worst it's an exaggeration, not a slur. Besides, i thought your position was that anyone is free to express their opinion about everything because of our beloved right to free speech( or is it limited to accusations of the McCanns ?). Robert Murat's statements-and those of his mother- were bordering on comedic. They couldn't remember times, they couldn't remember when they'd been together or for how long or where each other was-even though they'd spent most of the evening together. They're facts ( sorry to use the 'F' bomb).

    ''There is no evidence against Robert Murat and he has co-operated throughout - not the actions of someone with something to hide.''

    I didn't cite anything to say otherwise.I quoted his words from an interview. I agree, his actions and co-operation don't have any 'tells'. He has that in common with the McCanns. I just found his statement significant. No 'deep' reading or 'analysis' of the words are needed.

    Maybe the Police back in 2007 were at fault. Maybe they should have concluded the interview as Columbo would have ( ''Oh..just one more thing, Mrs Murat, did you happen to notice any woman dressed in plum purple staring at a flat around that time ?'').But that was never going to happen once Amaral had ruled out any abduction scenario of any kind from day one. That's why no questions were asked about anyone hanging around. The only instance 'lurkers' were up for discussion was if one 'looked like' Gerry McCann on his toes with a child in his arms .

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