Wednesday 25 October 2017

HOW MANY CHERRY CAKES?

In response to an interesting observation on my last blog, I pictured a very large cherry cake, or the remaining crumbs of a ravaged small one.

This set me musing, as my readers' comments often do.  I once did a blog entitled 'The Million Pound Baby'*  (should have said dollars, it sounds dreadful in sterling).  Although that blog is only 18 months old (March 2016), one million pounds now seems like peanuts. 

When you consider all the beneficiaries from Madeleine's abduction, the amount is incalculable.  From the inside working outwards, the McCanns and their entire entourage, including Government spokesman Clarence, got to stay in the Sunny Algarve for 3 months all expenses and mortgage payments covered. It also gave them a huge fund to protect themselves against any criminal charges they may have faced for leaving the children on their own, or anything more.  Apart from the extended family, among the first to benefit from Madeleine's loss were the lawyers.

Then, there were all those knights in shiny armour who boarded planes to PDL rather than trusty steeds - all eager to assist in a news story that had gone global.  The British police agencies, the crisis managers, the spin doctors, and several more firms of lawyers.  Batch 2 of the beneficiaries were all those who could see there were fortunes to be made.

Then we have the politicians.  I have no doubt there was a major Oops in Whitehall during the early hours of May 4th, but they decided to go with it, because the benefits outweighed an embarrassing confession.  Also, because it offered so much opportunity to bury bad news and take up a populist cause. It fitted in with New Labour's Big Brother approach to democracy.  A national data bank holding our blood and every detail about us from cradle to grave and a good reason to introduce policing of the internet.  Blair used the angelic face of Madeleine to increase fear of paedophiles, just as he used tanks rolling into Heathrow to increase fear of terrorists. 

Gerry and Kate wanted stricter border controls (as do tyrants, see D.Trump), and control over what is printed in the press and said about them online. Again, see D. Trump.  The scaremongering of the McCanns and New Labour was designed to win our vote for compulsory DNA testing (all new born babies) and government access to all our internet activity (even D.Trump hasn't gone that far - yet).  As Gerry McCann fought the freedom of the press, then Home secretary Jackie Smith sat (uncomfortably it must be said) alongside him.  The McCanns' goals were New Labour's goals, so big old tick in the beneficiary box there. 

Then there were the British police agencies.  Such is our capitalist system, different branches of law enforcement must compete with each other for funds.  Therefore, it is, erm, in their interests to promote their specialist skills and demonstrate that their needs are greater. 

CEOP were among the first police to arrive, which many consider odd, as their field of expertise is ONLINE protection.  Madeleine was not yet 4, clearly she wasn't targeted and groomed online.   Their clumsy attempts to turn it into an internet crime by seizing computers and naming men who watched porn, fell at the first hurdle.  Were CEOP and the other police agencies beneficiaries of the  abduction story?  A question that must be asked.

Then there are the National Charities, who received a major boost by putting aside all those missing on their books, and promoting the face of Madeleine.  Did they benefit from Madeleine being missing, rather than deceased?  Undoubtedly, but charities are beyond reproach, even when they attach themselves to major creeps like Jimmy Saville, there is an unwritten law that they must not be criticised.    

How about the media industry?  For sure.  The decline in the sale of tabloids had already begun in 2007.  The Madeleine story was a new lease of life.  Every redtop with a Madeleine picture or headline was flying off the  shelves.  It was as fascinating and addictive as the first episode of The Osbornes.  The profits from Madeleine stories probably went into millions, in a way the McCanns have a right to be bitter, they only got a fraction of the story's worth to the media moguls. 

Then there were new crisis management companies and reputation managers, all of whom no-one needed years ago, but who are now essential should you suffer trauma.  The ambulance should be your second call.  The McCanns are not entirely to blame for reputation managers, the spin doctors were already lurking and waiting to pounce.  They take ambulance chasing to a whole new level, 'can you sign this before they cut you out of your car', hoping the tears and blood in your eyes blinds you to the small print.  Have they benefited? Yes indeedy, but not half as much as they thought they would. 

Last but not least, there are those famous crime solving experts, Donal MacIntyre and Mark Williams-Thomas.  Each staking their reputations on the fact that the McCanns are innocent.  If I remember rightly, DM claims the abductors (there were several), gave the apartment a good clean before leaving.  MWT's theory, I struggle to remember, actually, he gives me the creeps, so I struggle to watch.  Did they benefit?  No doubt, it is a high profile case, it has an audience. 

In the USA missing children are big business.  The US version of  the old CEOP, received millions in government grants, and the cause has it's own TV channel and millions of supporters.  I believe similar plans were intended for the UK.  Those patenting Madeleine's name and planning annual Madeleine Days had big ideas.  None of which included registering Madeleine's Fund as a charity. 

Did they benefit?  For a while, yes.  But they didn't succeed.  The public have never truly believed Madeleine was abducted, and that was integral to the plan. 



*  A good read, though I say so myself, and with pictures!

224 comments:

  1. ''The public have never truly believed Madeleine was abducted, and that was integral to the plan. ''

    A section of it maybe.Not all of it. A large section still believe it. Just because they don't post online about it doesn't mean they don't believe it. You're speaking for one section only but claiming to speak for all of it.

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    1. You are also speaking for one section and claiming to speak for all,irony is evidently not a forte of yours.

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    2. There was a period in history when the non-conformist section ran the risk of being sectioned.

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  2. Hi Ros :-)
    This muse, this particular blog is really quite spooky. Back in 2007 a Portuguese friend of mine suggested, what was, at the time, an off-the-wall comment that this Mc affair was some kind of "social experiment", to see how far the public could be swayed (and controlled).
    Ten years on you posit the same thought. Only twice now in 10 years have I heard this - but it strikes a chord.
    In 2007 the MSM were failing as Social Media grew in strength revealing more and more myths and lies emanating from the MSM. This culminated lately with the irony of MSM latching onto "Fake News" and projecting it onto Social Media. Nice try - but they failed.
    The MSM have tried every trick in the book to censor the Internet (they've absorbed themselves into Google, Facebook, Twitter and Youtube) - but there are 1000s of more avenues of investigation and speculation - like here, for instance.
    It could be that MBM was their poster girl for more stringent rules denying the public their right to free speech. Amber Alerts, chipping, DNA database - it's all there. "Hate" crimes etc.
    Whether this was the dark design from the off or a useful offshoot, I don't know. Nevertheless, well spotted. The connection is undeniable.
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    SixYearsInaComaMan

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  3. Good lord Ros. "The scaremongering of the McCanns and New Labour was designed to win our vote for compulsory DNA testing (all new born babies) and government access to all our internet activity." This is worthy of whackjob Bennett, distracted by delusions he can effect a no deal Brexit by tweeting his lunatic rhetoric these days which thankfully stops him pursuing the wrong Smith family (easy mistake to make!) What are you smoking?

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    1. You seriously think the government (any government) likes the idea of the population sharing information and speaking to each other freely? The internet is the biggest threat to the status quo since the printing press. How else could a politician like Jeremy Corbyn win the leadership of the Labour Party (twice), and be on course for Prime Minister.

      Winning power is not all it's cracked up to be. Once you win, you have to spend every second of every day worrying about who is plotting against you, and the chances are, it will be everyone.

      Blair had actually reached that complete batshit crazy stage, he thought he was omnipotent, not quite referring to himself as the royal 'we', but not far off it.

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    2. Hi Rosalinda
      Just a few thoughts.

      Unfortunately, governments democratic or totalitarian always try to persuade a majority or at least a large minority, that governmental control is the best way to protect their citizens from external and internal threats, while people in general wish to have as much freedom as possible, as the exchange of information on the internet shows.

      The McCanns share the same view on freedom of speech as politicians who want to protect us from evil, it's just that the McCanns first of all whish to protect themselves.

      Here are just two examples (my own transcriptions and my own reflections) of the McCanns’ take on freedom of speech documented in a YouTube clip filmed outside Lisbon Court.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvBhetTOnyw

      Gerry says:
      “We’re here to make sure that free speech does not allow “YOU” to distort the truth”

      My remarks:
      By using the personal pronoun “YOU” instead of either “US” or “ONE”, he excludes himself from ever having, not even unintentionally, misused his freedom of speech. A lot of people believe he has. Instead he turns to the journalists around him and explicitly claims that others have. Thereby trying to deter everybody, who dares question his and Kate’s truthfulness. Why “YOU”? Why not just Gonzalo Amaral, as it’s (was, as it is now) a libel case about his and the McCanns’ different versions of the truth, but not about the general public’s view on the case versus that of the McCanns’.

      Kate says: (reading from a manuscript)
      “Freedom of speech should not outweigh the rights of human beings……” and then of course, as usual, something about the suffering of her children.

      My remark:
      Without freedom of speech, we wouldn’t be civilised human beings. So WTF is Kate talking about? Does she really know? Did Clarence Mitchell write her “speech”? I just wonder.

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    3. Hi Bjorn. I think Gerry was using 'you' to include everyone, including himself. Think of 'you' as 'one', '.......free speech does not allow ONE to say.....'. One meaning anyone. The English language can be very complex!

      Referring to oneself as one, is very old fashioned, and a dreadful habit for a writer to fall into, because it becomes so repetitive. But there are instances where it is appropriate, such as Gerry's statement, where it would have made the meaning of Gerry's words clearer. But he's not a linguist.

      But I agree, Gerry does exclude himself from any form of wrongdoing. He really does believe the god fearing image he created for himself.

      Kate too goes for the bigger picture, she is taking a stance on the 'rights of human beings', like her husband she is a martyr for a greater cause. Their fight is our fight, we should all rally behind them.

      I think their outside the door of the court statements, are the ones that got cheers when they were all sat around plotting. On the surface they sound philanthropic, 'we are doing this for everyone', but as you say, Bjorn, what they really want is the freedom to carry on fundraising etc, without criticism. GA's book was not so much a hit to their reputations as it was to their donation button.

      It is bizarre that we are even talking about book banning in the 21st century. Libel claimants really do have an inflated sense of their own importance. But happily their sensitive natures usually cost them millions.

      In wanting the books of Goncalo Amaral burned, Gerry and Kate took on the huge FOS lobby. Book burning is as despised today as it was with every fascist regime in history.

      These people may be clever, but they are very poorly educated Bjorn, even now they cannot see how ridiculous their claims are, and how abhorrent their quest to silence the former detective is.

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    4. Hi Rosalinda

      Thanks for comments, especially about linguistics.

      The meaning of words is naturally crucial for me, as I’m trying to understand what the McCanns are saying, and what’s between the lines. I may get things wrong sometimes. So all I can say now is “Man lernt solange man lebt”, and then try to figure out whether to use “one” or “you” if I were to translate this German proverb into English.

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  4. Great read Ros and so true. I've never been one to post in an attempt to convince anyone I know what I believe about the case myself and that's good enough for me. You are so right so many people benefited and there were big big plans I suspect everyday Gerry McCann thinks to himself what could have been if only he could have persuaded people to believe him.

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    1. A philosophy I share 22:11, which is why I try never to preach. When I was teaching, I always found that the 'essentials' stuck, when the students discovered them for themselves.

      I think Gerry saw himself hosting a show like John Walsh, with CEOP emulating the huge NCMEC in the USA. The Madeleine case brought the issue of missing children to the forefront of discussion and debate, it had the potential to kickstart a new, specialised, police agency with all the technology and resources of their US counterpart.

      Of course all these grandiose ideas and plans depended on the world believing Madeleine had been abducted. They were on very dodgy ground, but that didn't seem to matter, to the parents or their supporters. It was if they held a 'get out of jail free' card, as they brazenly started their own investigation, their own PR campaign, and furious fundraising, while the Portuguese police worked quietly and diligently in the background.

      I don't think they have got that card anymore.

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  5. ''From the inside working outwards, the McCanns and their entire entourage, including Government spokesman Clarence, got to stay in the Sunny Algarve for 3 months all expenses and mortgage payments covered.''

    That's right folks, it was all a scam to get free money and holidays.And the Government's media monitor helped set it up.

    ''It also gave them a huge fund to protect themselves against any criminal charges they may have faced for leaving the children on their own, or anything more. ''

    How much did that cost ? Who do you pay to change the law in plain sight and still make it invisible ?Ans who changed it and risked incrimination ? lawyers can't change the law.

    ''Then we have the politicians. I have no doubt there was a major Oops in Whitehall during the early hours of May 4th, but they decided to go with it, because the benefits outweighed an embarrassing confession.''

    And their it finally is. The Christobellian deep thinking. The involvement of the Government and the allocation of funds and careful protection of the McCanns was an 'oops' but they had to 'go with it'. Astounding.And she slates others.Obsess much, Ros ?

    ''Gerry and Kate wanted stricter border controls (as do tyrants, see D.Trump), and control over what is printed in the press and said about them online ''

    So, the McCanns went to Portugal, let their child come to an unfortunate end to get stricter border controls. Brilliant.I thought it was to get a free holiday and money.You know, the so called 'fraud'. But it was actually an exercise to get them control of the media really.I see. So that's the law, the media and the borders now.

    ''The scaremongering of the McCanns and New Labour was designed to win our vote for compulsory DNA testing (all new born babies) and government access to all our internet activity (even D.Trump hasn't gone that far - yet). ''

    So now it's control over the population that the McCanns wanted, not just the media, borders and the law.It's all so clear now.

    ''CEOP were among the first police to arrive, which many consider odd, as their field of expertise is ONLINE protection. Madeleine was not yet 4, clearly she wasn't targeted and groomed online.''

    How do predators of children communicate with each other ? That's a '' question that must be asked''.

    Tune in for the next blog '' JFK : Was that Kate, or was it Gerry on the grassy knoll ? Shelved evidence doesn't clear them''

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    1. Most of your post twists my words and uses them out of context 02:08, then goes off into the realms of reductio ad absurdum. Grassy knoll? Seriously?

      Regarding CEOP and child predators communicating with each other online. Really? Do child predators communicate with each other - as in 'there are babies sleeping alone in an apartment, why don't you go take one?' Has that ever happened in the history of the world? Aren't the majority of child predators creeps who work alone?

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    2. You haven't heard of the term 'network' or PIE then.PIE was pre-internet. But considering the damage they managed to do here and all over Europe via an underground well organised network of communication, thank God.They never went away. Brussels was a clue.

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  6. Published: 15 December 2005

    http://www.virtualglobaltaskforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/vgt-conference-2005-outcomes.pdf

    “The Home Secretary’s Taskforce for Child Protection on the Internet was established in March 2001. It aims to make the UK the best and safest place in the world for children to use the Internet, and to help protect children around the globe from abuse fuelled by criminal misuse of new technologies. The Taskforce is chaired by Home Office Minister Paul Goggins and is a partnership between representatives of the Internet industry, child welfare organisations, the Police and Government”

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    http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20100408123908/http://www.police.homeoffice.gov.uk/operational-policing/crime-disorder/child-protection-taskforce.html

    “The Taskforce has set the end of 2007 as a target for all UK Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to have implement a system to block URLs containing child abuse images as identified by the Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) (new window)”

    http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20100408123908/http://www.iwf.org.uk/

    “Sorry, the page you were looking for can’t be found.”

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    https://www.iwf.org.uk/member/bbc-british-broadcasting-corporation

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    1. Many thanks for posting that 10:02, it confirms my suspicions.

      New Labour were going down a very murky path, using propaganda to woo the public into voting for ID cards, a national database (including DNA) and government access to our internet details. All under the guise that it is for our own protection.

      Tony Blair had reached that part in Animal Farm, where they Pigs released their specially bred and trained Dobermans to control the population. But in this case King Tony wanted trusted guards to patrol the internet.

      Apart from terrorists the public hates nothing more than paedophiles. Any laws to clamp down them are welcomed, and anyone reluctant to hand over their personal details, has something to hide. If you create a climate of fear you can pass through new laws unchallenged. Terrorism laws for example, allowed the police to arrest elderly protesters outside the Blair Labour Party Conference.

      Of course, anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that the biggest dangers children face are in their own homes and from those who know them, not from strangers on the internet. And that even applies to older kids such as Tia Sharpe.

      If I recollect correctly, Jim Gamble was in a battle with the owners of the social networks. I think he wanted them to fund his policing of their networks. There are a series of public inquiries online, as it was causing a bit of furore at the time.

      The Madeleine case was undoubtedly the face of the argument for policing social media. I remember the very forceful (and nonsensical) arguments from the McCann supporters at the time. Particularly when the internet went from being all good to all bad, for them.

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    2. So, while documentaries ( Dateline etc) try to educate parents to the dangers of unpoliced internet usage in the home, you want to educate the kids in realising that the real dangers are actually in the home. Briiliant. Most abuse happens indoors does it .This is right up there with your Chris Langham apologist epsiode of not to long ago. So, while you're trying to ensure your kids are safe online without making them scared of their own shadow, they should suspect that those trying to educate them in their home could really be the danger they shouldn't trust according to one of your statistics that have no source.

      Incidentally,there were movements worldwide fighting against governments wanting to police the internet before Madeleine was born.They were also getting the information out about the Rockerfeller Institute's plans for micro chipping.You should youtube Aaron Russo. Not everything globally is about the McCann case or how the parents wanted to change the world like evil baddies from a Superman movie. The wishes of a variety of governments to have access to everything said online was always there. If you want to twist that into them using Madeleine Mccanns plight , or image, to finally get their publicly acceptable reason , tell us all how that went.

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  7. "When you consider all the beneficiaries from Madeleine's abduction, the amount is incalculable."

    Oh, the hypocrisy Ros, haven't you been taking donations for writing your blog, and aren't you planning to write a book about this whole affair? 

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    1. My blog isn't based on a lie. I'm not asking people to fund me to search for a child that isn't missing.

      I'm a writer. That's what I do. In the same way as every other writer who writes about the Madeleine case. Should journalists not be paid for covering the story?

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  8. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton26 October 2017 at 13:00

    ''My blog isn't based on a lie. I'm not asking people to fund me to search for a child that isn't missing.''

    Regardless of the agenda behind your blog, i think, given the amount of time this case is taking and the money wasted on it, the least you could do is tell us where the child is, if she isn't missing.Nobody can find her.In fact, kill two birds with one stone.Clear it all up for us and you won't need a donate button or book. You'll make a fortune telling how you solved it. The chat show circuit awaits.

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  9. "Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton24 October 2017 at 23:44

    I share the same abhorrence for political correctness as yourself JB, it is killing the English vernacular.

    Who the feck wants to live in a world where you can't say 'who the feck' for fear of offending someone.

    And some people go out of their way to be offended. They spend hours scouring the internet looking for something to upset themselves with"
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    I think you should maybe look at what you said elsewhere:

    " Cristobell Author‏ @RosalindaHu Oct 22
    Replying to @jessphillips
    Can you not see it is you who demean women with words like 'totty'? Most of us don't see ourselves that way."
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    Make you mind up Ros when commenting on political correctness.

    (incidentally I don't think anyone would describe you as totty)

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    1. Anonymous 26 October 2017 at 13:50

      “(…)”

      Uncouth, coming from you, Nizami.

      Black Rust disease?

      Perhaps one-handed? What was your other hand doing?

      T

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  10. "Should journalists not be paid for covering the story?"

    So why shouldn't private investigators, lawyers etc be paid also when they have been employed to do a job.

    You are looking to benefit financially from an unsubstantiated opinion based on the distressing story of the disappearance of a 4 year old child. You may believe that you know the truth but the truth is that you don't!

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  11. @13,51
    '' You may believe that you know the truth but the truth is that you don't!''

    ... and when you go full circle, you come back to GA's book
    ''The Truth of the Lie''

    But who knows the truth? I don't think anyone I've ever read in the last ten years, has so claimed of course lots of speculation.

    So, how the truth goes, all these doctors and children go on holiday. The doctors enjoy days of sports, seeing their children during the lunch break after their sessions in the day creche, then go out in the evenings leaving the kids homealone with an ad hoc method of child care, within the bounds of responsible parenting.... ya know like we all do.

    Beyond this, the truth is up for the telling.

    Not to be confused with tales of the unexpected!

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  12. Hi Ros,
    "Gerry and Kate wanted stricter border controls (as do tyrants, see D.Trump), "
    Well so do millions of people in this country and elsewhere and I've never heard that Kate or Gerry advocated that - only harping on about the PJ not closing the border even though there are no specific borders to close.
    Also I would be amazed if the majority of people in this country ever think about the McCanns, ever talk about the McCanns or even try to stop the look of sheer boredom crossing their features when the name McCann is mentioned - I'm thinking of my relatives, my husband in particular. It's only a small portion of pros or antis who have become interested and care enough to read the case files or simply cannot believe the McCanns are guilty of anything.

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    1. 20 years of the various POTUS telling us that terrorists are coming to get everyone and nobody in the West is safe from them so they could bomb the s** out of oil , opiate and lithium producing countries. Cause the obliteration of countries, families, civilians and abuse prisoners. Trump says build walls and nobody can get in.That simple.Simple, but not profitable.He's a nutcase, but he's right on this.If your economy is a sinking ship, you're not a tyrant for refusing to let tens of thousands clamber on board.It's good sense. It doesn't mean you hate, it means you have a responsibility to your own country and citizens first.If you want to let all and sundry aboard( Blair, Cameron), you want to sink it as you have your own luxury lifeboats.But, it's 'trendy' to join the choir, especially online.

      On topic, I seem to recall reading that the borders were closed hours too late and that Amaral himself regrets that.My personal view is that it wouldn't have made any difference.Closed borders would have been anticipated and, therefore, that eventuality wold have been taken into account.

      NB ; This thread / blog has become a tad fractious early.Is it lunar -related ?

      VT

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    2. @ Anon 16:03

      I agree with you - there is a desperation for some people to keep this case alive when the reality of the situation is that most people couldn't care less (not in a heartless way).

      Some people try to believe what Ros says: "The public have never truly believed Madeleine was abducted, and that was integral to the plan."

      There is no evidence of that whatsoever apart from nutters on hate forums who flood newspaper comments with hate.

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    3. Not surprised you have the same attitude to borders as Donald Trump, ZT.

      Like so many you have bought into the ideology that immigration is bad for this country. Remove all the 'foreigners' and every single one of our services will collapse. And no, the land mass that is England won't sink so we all need luxury lifeboats. The politics of immigration are divide and rule. As long as we blame Muslims etc, we are distracted from the greedy bastards at the top creaming off all the nation's wealth.

      'Closed borders would have been anticipated' you say, really, by a burglar?

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    4. Hi 16:03, I agree most people are bored with the subject, mostly because Gerry and Kate really overplayed the victim card with the constant demands. That's what happens when you saturate the market.

      I don't think many still believe the parents, if they did, I am sure they would be far more vocal in their support, and far more outraged that the parents are being held in limbo by Operation Grange.

      You cite the nutters who spam the comments pages of newspapers, but no so long ago, most of those nutters were supporting the McCanns.

      As a fan of newspaper comments, I wouldn't describe those doubters as 'nutters', they can see they are being taken for a ride, and have every right to protest.

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    5. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton27 October 2017 at 00:13

      ''Like so many you have bought into the ideology that immigration is bad for this country. Remove all the 'foreigners' and every single one of our services will collapse.''

      For a second there, I thought New Labour were back in.If you want to try to criticise me and what I say ( because i don't hate the McCanns), at least use what I've said, rather than invent what I said.Where did I say 'remove' anyone ? If the bus is full, you can't let anyone else on. That doesn't mean, the bus is full so throw people off. Refusing to let people in isn't the same as throwing people out.But, like so many, you've seen the song that the biggest gang are singing and gone with the crowd again. It's that 'outsider' in you that you occasionally tell us about. If you must join mobs, at least find the occasional one capable of a little originality rather than the blind, flag waving conformists who can't decide between tea or coffee until they've consulted what's 'trending'online.

      ''The politics of immigration are divide and rule. As long as we blame Muslims etc, we are distracted from the greedy bastards at the top creaming off all the nation's wealth.''

      I don't blame immigration, Muslims etc for anything. I can see that this country, like the yanks, have a one party system dressed as choice. The banks run the show.They run the Governments.They cause the weaknesses in the economy that keep the gap between the elite they employ and the masses who are powerless. It's been that way since, roughly,1630.

      '''Closed borders would have been anticipated' you say, really, by a burglar?''

      Did i ? Or is that another statement you're putting into my mouth ? No wonder your guesswork on the case sounds more irrational as you go along. If you can't find anything to support your thinking, you invent it then comment on it. A 'burglar' of people is called an 'abductor', sometimes a 'procurer'. I said neither, but if you must know my opinion, i go with the the latter, rather than a burglar.

      VT

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    6. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton27 October 2017 at 00:26

      ''Hi 16:03, I agree most people are bored with the subject, mostly because Gerry and Kate really overplayed the victim card with the constant demands''

      Is there anything in the world you won't use as something to blame the McCanns for ? The reason so many people became bored is because they can remember any ransom week you choose between May 2007 and October 2017 and nothing has happened out there in the real world. Nothing original is reported or develops.They stopped the supporting the parents / blaming the parents a long time ago for those reasons.They know it's just a case that goes round in the same circle. The 'nutters' who have the right to protest should get together and demand answers from those who have allegedly gone about hiding evidence, obstructing the course of justice and protecting people who they (apparently) know are responsible for Madeleine's fate.Or they could just carry on using the case as a catharsis for their own demons of course.

      VT

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    7. With every post you confirm my reading of you VT.

      You have been a visitor here long enough to know that I'm Old Labour VT, and the New New Labour of Jeremy Corbyn. And I'm not a fan of Blair.

      As for my joining the biggest gang, your reading of me is way off. I despise mob mentality, and I am proud to say I have been ejected from every Madeleine forum and facebook page for not conforming to the majority view.

      LOL, it was a given that you wouldn't accept Gerry and Kate contributed in any way to their drop in popularity. Their way, was the right way, end of.

      For most people the Madeleine story is one among hundreds every day, but less interesting because it is so old.

      It is the McCanns themselves who have fought to keep it in the headlines with their anniversaries, vigils and £500k to Lord Bell. Not to mention their regular press releases and 'spokespeople' who give exclusives to the tabloids.

      As for those nutters who writing to newspapers 'getting together and demanding answers', are you for real? Isn't that what the cesspit et all have been trying to do for you years? Stir up an angry mob?

      As for using this case as a catharsis for their own demons - implying we are all mad is not helpful to your defence VT.

      This is an intriguing case and the human brain loves solving puzzles, it's beyond our control. It is unfortunate that this case developed into a game of Cluedo, but you can't blame the audience.

      Firstly we were inundated with the saintliness of the parents, then a year later we read the PJ's side via the release of the files. What were the followers of this story supposed to do with that?

      Tis true, puzzle solving is a good distraction from demons, but if there is a God, that is one of the failsafes he put in there to protect our mental health. Discussing high profile cases isn't new. See Lindbergh baby, see OJ Simpson, what you demand VT is a change in human behaviour - good luck with that!

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  13. Jim Gamvle really was a big loser in the McCann case lol. Like you say Ros he rushed off to PDL when there was no conceivable reason for someone concerned for the safety of children on line to be there. At the time he had carved out a nice wee number for himself as head of CEOP. Plenty of bluster without having to provide any real evidence of any real success in protecting children. He then took it further and brought Gerry McCann to speak at their conference. Whether McCann was guilty or not him being allowed to speak at a police conference in the UK while a suspect in a crime in another country just beggars belief. Then when he had gained sufficient high profile as a result of this he started on his ridiculous quest to have Facebook add a peado panic button. On from that he applies for chief constable of the PSNI almost with the threat of I dare you to refuse me and then we had him threatening Theresa May with UK wide revolt if she disbanded the CEOP, then as part of his "scooping exercise" he publicly criticises the work carried out by Leicestershire police service. What did he end up with Gerry McCann who he has publicly supported becomes no doubt the focus of OG investigation, Facebook told him to take a run and jump, he not only didn't get the PSNI job it was given the head of Leicestershire police Mat baggot and Theresa May publicly sacked him and then she became PM. Lol lol lol a policemans lot is not a happy one Jim

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    1. I have to be very careful what I say about Jim Gamcle, he watches me very carefully, since we had a falling out on twitter. He demanded I apologise and pledge never to cast slurs on him again. I responded I would rather rip off my own arm and batter myself around the head with it. He pursued me for quite some time, he is very tenacious.

      As if I did not think highly enough of the social network owners, their refusal to hand over all their data to the Blair Government and police watchdogs, makes them heroes. Gutting as it must be for the super rich and wannabe tyrants, they are not getting a 'cut' of the Silicone Valley zillions.

      I think 10+ years on with no abductor, and all eyes on the parents, JG must be feeling very uncomfortable. All those appearances on the breakfast TV sofas with Gerry and Kate, all those stern warnings into camera, for the abductor and the critics. How does a former police chief and child protection expert, admit that he might have got everything, so horribly wrong?

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    2. The same ten years with no arrests of the parents. Who got what wrong exactly ? Do you think if an abductor (or any criminal on the run) hasn't been found that it means they don't exist ?

      VT

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    3. Anon 26 Oct 21.40

      ...like you say Ros he (JG) rushed off to PDL.....

      If you have any evidence whatsoever Gamble was in PDL that weekend, produce it or you should not attribute Ros with remarks she has not made.

      CEOP officers were there, not Gamble. A big, big difference.

      Stay careful Ros.

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    4. @ JJ 27 October 2017 at 09:18

      Anon 26 Oct 21.40 does not say that Gamble rushed off to PDL "that weekend"!

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    5. Thank you for confirming that JJ. I have never said 'JG rushed off to PDL' because I know he didn't. As you say other CEOP officers were there, not Gamble.

      As you say JJ, these ever so subtle changes to my words really do make a big, big difference, so many thanks to you.

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    6. How do you think a 'common criminal' has evaded such intense investigation VT? Especially as there have been several large and enticing rewards offered.

      That the parents haven't been arrested is a pretty weak argument for their innocence VT and of course it does nothing for their reputations.

      Don't you think it is horribly cruel that OG and the PJ haven't relieved the parents of the suspicion that surrounds them? Their reputations mean a great deal to them. So much so, that 10+ years on, they are taking the former detective in charge of their case to the European Courts.

      If these parents are innocent, why didn't OG give them something they could use in their libel claims? Instead, Gerry, in the closing stages of their claim in Lisbon, was left to plea that the dogs' evidence was rubbish.

      Are you not angry that these parents are being held in limbo VT? That suspicion against them has increased 100 fold since OG began? Have the police not told Gerry and Kate what happened to their daughter? Are the parents, like the rest of us, just waiting to hear Scotland Yard's official statement?

      Do you not think it cruel that the police won't give Gerry and Kate something with 'meat on', that they could use in their defence? Something to back up your claims VT, that the police have ruled the parents out.

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    7. I'm afraid I can't let your uninformed comments on immigration go unchallenged VT. Let me give you a very quick lesson in Sociology and Migration.

      Since time began the human species have had the desire to explore outside a 5 mile radius from the place in which they were born. Perhaps I should say some, or most, but you get the gist. The only people who stay and carry on the same life as their forefathers are the Amish.

      Not many people dream of staying on the same street all their lives surrounded by the same neighbours, family and friends. Life's not like that. Most children fly the nest.

      We are not a static nation VT, nor should we be, new blood can and does create new industry and new innovations. We are a progressive nation because we welcome immigration.

      In my area for example, the only NEW businesses are started by immigrants. Why? Because they come to England with hope and enthusiasm and the determination to do well, whilst the local population are apathetic.

      The idea that we have all got our place and the bus is full is ridiculous! But I'm glad you used 'bus', because buses are always on the move, they fill up, they empty out.

      Without immigration, our towns and villages will suffer VT. We have an ageing population who are not producing any more white anglo Saxon babies. In some small towns in Germany, they were simply running out of young people to keep their services going, which is why they welcomed the new people with open arms.

      Little England like Medieval England is a distant memory VT, it is constantly evolving.

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    8. Actually I must apologise here because I don't think in this case the change to my words was intentional by the poster at 21:40. But sadly, it is little things like this that the 'watchers' look out for.

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    9. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton27 October 2017 at 00:47

      ''I have to be very careful what I say about Jim Gamcle''

      Gamcle ? That's a good start ;-)

      VT

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    10. Rosalinda 26.10 @12:21

      "I try never to preach"

      But...

      Rosalinda 27.10 @11:53 (to VT)

      "Let me give you a very quick lesson in Sociology and Migration."

      (I just can't seem to help myself)

      "The only people who stay and carry on the same life as their forefathers are the Amish." (Utter nonsense)

      "Not many people dream of staying on the same street all their lives surrounded by the same neighbours, family and friends. Life's not like that."

      No it's not. For many, remaining in a given locality is not a dream but an inevitability.

      Unless maybe you're an immigrant, seduced by the appeal of Europe, as seen on the small TV standing atop the fridge in your erstwhile impoverished home.

      Who could blame you for being thus inspired to undertake self-advancement overseas?

      Or does the desire to migrate stem from traditional local life's having become untenable since the USA began bombing the crap out of your country?

      "In some small towns in Germany, they were simply running out of young people to keep their services going, which is why they welcomed the new people with open arms."

      An example being...?

      Maintenance of London's infrastructure was the primary motive for inviting colonial citizens into the UK after the war. But the nation had just lost close to half a million of its population.

      For decades now influx has exceeded exodus. Not quite the equilibrium situation you allude to with your bus analogy.

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    11. Thought this might be of interest.

      September 2015

      Profiting Politicians? German journalist claims huge industry behind EU refugee crisis

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Sk9U-viOE


      '“Why is Europe the place of the world that should take all those people?...Why are the Middle Eastern countries, rich countries, neighboring countries like Saudi Arabia, rich Kuwaitis, Bahrainis – they (the refugees) have their culture, they have their beliefs – they close the doors?...Why do they all say: 'Please, just go to Europe?” he wondered.

      Saudi Arabia has the capacity to accept more than 3 million people in Mecca, which is visited by numerous religious pilgrims every year, the journalist stressed.

      Those countries’ refusal to shelter the refugees reveals that “there’s no humanity in Islam and Islamic countries, from my point of view,” he added.'

      https://www.rt.com/op-edge/316337-refugees-germany-isis-ulfkotte/


      October 2014

      European media writing pro-US stories under CIA pressure - German journo

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGqi-k213eE

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    12. Aw shucks 16:41, you got me. Tis true I sometimes revert to 'school marm' mode, I once roared 'yeeees, you' at a dozy lad in the supermarket. It scared the bejesus out of him, but it did the trick. In my defence, I did say TRY, but it's a fair cop.

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  14. My summary on immigration is if they come to be part of us, not 'us' (me) becoming part of them. Enrich a culture not overtake it. Of course there is a plus of enrichment, but not when it is overwhelmed as it is fast becoming.

    Enrichment yes, begging, stealing & sleeping rough is not part of our culture and I'm seeing far too much of it.

    Society and the infrastructure is not coping, and all are suffering because of it. True asylum seekers, those needing real 'asylum' don't stand a chance, our humanity has gone. Gone to the quickest who can reach our shores.

    Even today, I was reading about the impact of our children's hospitals because of immigration & pre-natal advice, we got rid of the long stay 'handicap' hospitals years ago. It's something I would never like to see again.

    And if little Madeleine McCann was to return tomorrow, it's not a better UK she would be returning to, than the one she disappeared from ten years ago.

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    1. Real asylum, economic migrants, what does it matter 13:46, if they are prepared to overcome all the massive hurdles in their way, they are just the kind of people we want.

      Begging, stealing, sleeping rough, is sadly England under the tories. The tories don't protect anyone from destitution, not even British passport holders.

      If the infrastructure is not coping, it's because of under investment. Naturally, the stats are going to be somewhat different to 1945.

      Again, if childrens hospitals and pre-natal advice, are struggling, it is not because of immigrants! It's because the government kept in line with the growth in population.

      I agree, if Madeleine returned tomorrow, it is a different world, but I'd say the same of my dear old Dad, we are now dominated by the politics of spite.

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  15. ''Little England like Medieval England is a distant memory VT, it is constantly evolving.''

    It continues to grow and evolve.That would explain why such a progressive outlook has landed us in virtual bankruptcy, record unemployment, one recession on the heels of it's predecessor, record homelessness, record suicides, and record small business closures.The only thing rising is NHS waiting lists, housing lists and bankruptcy.It's never been more difficult for first time buyers to get a foot on the property ladder and our current embracers of over populating the country project that a baby born today will be expected to ( and need to ) work until 80 years of age.You're right.We're not a static nation. We're a collapsed Empire whose elite are sticking the boot in on the victims of their insatiable greed.

    Again, I remind you, I never said anything about kicking anyone out.All i said was close the door, we're full.

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    1. It's 'close the door we're full', that I don't like ZT.

      I'm the kind of person who likes to share what I have rather than see others go without ZT. I find the idea of turning away refugees and orphans so we can keep everything ourselves, abhorrent.

      You seem to think this country is in a mess because of immigration, you have fallen for the propaganda tool of every despicable government looking for a scapegoat. Would your life really improve if a desperate Syrian family were turned away from Britain ZT? And would you feel good about it?

      All the services are failing because of lack of investment, failure to keep up with demand. The money is there, we all paid it in via tax and national insurance. But this tory government are not reinvesting, they are creaming it off, just as blatantly as the orange marshmellow man in the Whitehouse. How did Theresa May suddenly find billions for the Ulster Unionists?

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    2. ''You seem to think this country is in a mess because of immigration, you have fallen for the propaganda tool of every despicable government looking for a scapegoat''

      I think the country's a mess because of successive generations of elite duplicitous greedy warmongers and the bankers dictating to the Governments who then dictate to us.Immigration has nothing to do with it. My heart goes out to anyone in dire circumstances or who are escaping various dictatorial regimes. But I see the same happening here- but very subtly . Nothing changes for the better as time passes, it gets worse.

      ''All the services are failing because of lack of investment, failure to keep up with demand. The money is there, we all paid it in via tax and national insurance. But this tory government are not reinvesting,''

      Which brings me back to the insatiable greed of successive governments. They can find money for anything but the people.The Tories are past masters of that.

      '' How did Theresa May suddenly find billions for the Ulster Unionists?''

      She no doubt looked in the same drawer Cameron used to find billions in for (cough)'defence'.

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  16. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton27 October 2017 at 10:45

    ''How do you think a 'common criminal' has evaded such intense investigation VT? Especially as there have been several large and enticing rewards offered.''

    I never suggested he or she was a 'common criminal'.The involvement and so-called concern shown by people in high places suggests the opposite in fact.


    ''That the parents haven't been arrested is a pretty weak argument for their innocence VT and of course it does nothing for their reputations.''

    I think evading arrest for ten years is actually a strong argument for their innocence. As for the reputations, they're only damaged if an arrest is made, followed by a guilty verdict in a court of law. Until then it's gossip and guessing from people who are complete strangers to them and the police investigating the case

    ''Don't you think it is horribly cruel that OG and the PJ haven't relieved the parents of the suspicion that surrounds them?''

    Yes.I'd add disgraceful and disgusting to that.

    ''So much so, that 10+ years on, they are taking the former detective in charge of their case to the European Court''

    I thought they'd given up on that saga..

    ''If these parents are innocent, why didn't OG give them something they could use in their libel claims?''

    Possibly because OG are a UK outfit and the libel claims in Portugal are different to here.

    '' Gerry, in the closing stages of their claim in Lisbon, was left to plea that the dogs' evidence was rubbish.''

    Rubbish ? Nonsense ? Wrong ? Baseless ? Whichever word or words he chooses, there's one thing for sure that could prove him wrong.

    ''Are you not angry that these parents are being held in limbo VT? That suspicion against them has increased 100 fold since OG began? Have the police not told Gerry and Kate what happened to their daughter? Are the parents, like the rest of us, just waiting to hear Scotland Yard's official statement?''

    I don't get angry about things or people who don't concern me directly.But I think their being in limbo is bad. It's a disgrace. The suspicion increasing 100% against them is mainly from the online public arena for gossip and scandal.If the suspicion of either force had increased it would start to count. The 'have the police not told gerry and kate what happened to their daughter' is the one sticking point that's always niggled me. That's the grey area for me.I think it's the darkest part of the game.But I still don't believe that Madeleine's fate was down to the parents . I think the shielding, the political involvement, and media spin all spring from that place.

    ''Do you not think it cruel that the police won't give Gerry and Kate something with 'meat on', that they could use in their defence? Something to back up your claims VT, that the police have ruled the parents out''

    I suspect they did that ten years ago.I think a guarantee was given. It also goes some way to explain why the antis are angry about them being untouchable for ten years.They just misread the signs, in my opinion.

    VT

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  17. VT 15.01

    "I suspect they did that ten years ago.I think a guarantee was given. It also goes some way to explain why the antis are angry about them being untouchable for ten years.They just misread the signs, in my opinion."

    If a guarantee was given how does that leave cadaver and blood dogs in the future. Are they going to be ignored because the "crims" have special friends in high places, it's not going to look too good is it if the highly trained police dogs are going to be ignored in future criminal cases, in fact, why use them at all if as Mitchell said, there is always an explanation for anything the police may or may not find.

    As for statements given by the Tapas 9, there are many discrepancies, one being that KM spoke to Fiona Payne when they were having dinner and asked her about leaving the patio door open so that Madeleine could come and find them if she woke up, KM then said that there was no way that Madeleine would have walked out of the apartment on her own, so which is it? That's just one of many discrepancies in the files.

    We don't know what the police are looking in to, as has been mentioned before if the "Fund" is being scrutinised to find out where every £ has gone it could take years if the money has been stashed in off shore accounts worldwide.

    Just to add that one of the Tapas friends, can't remember if it was Fiona or Rachel said that it was spooky walking back to the apartments in the dark to check on her children, so how would a 3 year old feel walking out of a strange apartment in the dark, around a swimming pool to a restaurant full of drunk strangers to find her Mum and Dad among a crowd of about 30-40 people.

    Think about it.

    You also say about them being untouchable for 10 years but the PJ put the case on hold, for quite a while, the McCanns never protested to keep it open although it only took a stamp on an envelope as Goncalo Amaral said. So why did the McCanns want to keep the investigation closed when they tell the whole world that they were desperately searching for Madeleine. It just doesn't add up does it?

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    1. Anonymous27 October 2017 at 17:01

      ''If a guarantee was given how does that leave cadaver and blood dogs in the future. Are they going to be ignored because the "crims" have special friends in high places''

      It will be business as usual. Dogs have been used in various areas of crime detection successfully to abandon them.It will always be business as usual if high places are involved in or implicated in a crime.Mountains can be moved depending how high.As for what Mitchell said, or says, i won't comment. His job description doesn't allow me to take a word he says seriously about anything.

      If you, and so many others, can spot discrepancies in the files, then how can ten years float by with two police forces and OG not spotting them and acting on them? Are they happy to say they're not discrepancies, or on orders to treat them as such ? They're either dim, or bent, if the discrepancies are of any importance to the investigation.

      ''We don't know what the police are looking in to, as has been mentioned before if the "Fund" is being scrutinised to find out where every £ has gone it could take years if the money has been stashed in off shore accounts worldwide.''

      We don't know what the police are looking into, true. I like to think it's because they don't want anything leaked as they're getting close to something big that could solve the case.I'd like to think that, but don't. Once they actually do something and show us, we'll know they've been doing something other than dreaming up 'new lead' headlines to give the press, which keeps the rumours flowing and the impression of them working hard. It doesn't wash.Results will show that they've worked hard.Nothing less. As for the talk about offline accounts holding millions, there's nothing to suggest that beyond the suspicious minds venting. Besides, even if that was true, fraud isn't murder or burying a body.

      ''So why did the McCanns want to keep the investigation closed when they tell the whole world that they were desperately searching for Madeleine. It just doesn't add up does it?''

      Who said they wanted to keep it closed ? The UK were on the case by the time the PJ shelved it. I think (personally) that the PJ were making a statement in shelving of the case. I believe it was a gesture that announced that, from their point of view, it would be throwing good money after bad to investigate something they knew was being designed to go nowhere;that they couldn't pursue the lines they would have, had they been left to.It was a sort of 'fill in the blanks yourselves' message for the curious public.Above them, later, it came back off the shelf and a new 'great relationship between PJ and SY' was the new message for everyone to buy into.

      VT

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  18. "Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton27 October 2017 at 00:47

    I have to be very careful what I say about Jim Gamcle, he watches me very carefully, since we had a falling out on twitter. He demanded I apologise and pledge never to cast slurs on him again. I responded I would rather rip off my own arm and batter myself around the head with it. He pursued me for quite some time, he is very tenacious."
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    I know what you posted about Gamble.

    Now prove "I would rather rip off my own arm and batter myself around the head with it." and post what you said about him again.

    He made you shut the feck up. Prove him wrong and repeat what you said about him.

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    1. Has he shut me up 19:04? I'm still here and I have got an even bigger audience.

      Do you really think he wants me to repeat what I said? He was pretty adamant about my not saying it again, actually adamant isn't strong enough, more like incandescent with rage.

      A little like yourself 19:04, or is that sidekick Jayelles?

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    2. @ Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton27 October 2017 at 21:50

      I see that once again you show your ability to not understand comments.

      Let me explain - you made tweets about Gamble that were just your opinion. You made unfounded allegations against him that you could not prove.

      You say in a bravado confident way ""I would rather rip off my own arm and batter myself around the head with it." But you didn't ignore his threats and keep on posting the allegations did you? If you truly believed that what you said was accurate you would have carried on repeating those allegations.

      He fecking stopped you from making the same allegations about him again. Job done.

      Yes he achieved the objective of shutting you up about the allegations you made about him - not your other rubbish that you post on here.

      "Jayelles" - I don't understand that obscure comment.

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    3. Blimey, your need to make things ABSOLUTELY clear is as intense as that of JG himself! It's like you really, really want me to repeat what I said. Why is that?

      Let me make this clear. I am not Bennett. I have no desire to waste any part of my life on arguing semantics with the bloody minded.

      If you want me to say I was scared of him, and he won the fight. Ok, yes I was scared, his pursuit of me was intimidating. Did he win. Yes. He proved he was not someone to mess with, if that was his objective.

      And I didn't make any allegations. If I had he would have taken it much further.

      Unlike yourself, I fully understand why 'Jayelles' means nothing to you. lol.

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    4. You know what I posted about Gamble, but you don't know who Jayelles is? Ooops!

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    5. "Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton29 October 2017 at 21:33
      You know what I posted about Gamble, but you don't know who Jayelles is? Ooops!"
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      Look at you jumping to wrong conclusions again by showing you are unable to read properly.

      I never said that I don't know that there used to be a poster called "Jayelles" did I?

      I posted: ""Jayelles" - I don't understand that obscure comment." and I still do not know what it is supposed to mean or imply.

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    6. Anonymous 30 Oct. at 22:17

      Do you remember these tweets?

      Jim Gamble
      Gr8 work by @skymartinbrunt those who hide behind what they think is the anonymity of the net 2harrass victims must face the #consequences

      Jencalo_Amoral
      @JimGamble_INEQE @skymartinbrunt ~ we congratulate you both for your sterling work at outing the #McCann abusers. Thank you both.

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    7. @ Anon 31 October 2017 at 06:21

      Yes I am aware of those tweets - but they were not the subject of the accusation that Ros made about Gamble.

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  19. Anon 19.04

    I'm not Ros but May told him to "shut the f*ck up" and sacked him. What does that say about his credentials, although he seems to be rearing his head again and has opened up some sort of organisation that organises many organisations, and who is organising the organisations he's organising?

    Phew, has May organised any of it is my question.

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    1. In answer to your final question 20:00, I would say very unlikely.

      Jim Gamble works in the private sector now, running some sort of internet protection company and he still has connections. But it is not what he was aiming for, a private company will never have the powers of a government funded police agency.

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    2. "Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton27 October 2017 at 21:55

      In answer to your final question 20:00, I would say very unlikely.

      Jim Gamble works in the private sector now, running some sort of internet protection company and he still has connections. But it is not what he was aiming for, a private company will never have the powers of a government funded police agency."
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      And you work as what exactly now Ros?

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    3. Well, I didn't get the police chief job either, lol.

      I'm still writing 19:30, but it is more of a passion than a job, it's beyond my control. A writer writes always. With my writing I strive for a perfection I can never achieve. It's quite tortuous.

      I've never had any ambitions in any other direction, either in the private or public sector. I don't have the character or desire, to be a 'boss', I never have. The one and only time I was ever appointed as a Team Leader, we spent the afternoon in the pub.

      Strangely, during an interview for the highest Secretarial/PA job I ever went for, the Boss asked if I would be his 'eyes and ears' in the department. I laughed and said no, I'm not a 'grass'. I got the job. To be fair, I was eventually replaced by someone who was a grass, but that's a whole other story!

      I doubt you are familiar with Virginia Woolf 19:30, but all I have ever wanted is a 'Room of One's Own' in which to write and study. It doesn't even have to be a grand room, just quiet and peaceful.

      I have very few needs 19:30, all the trappings of wealth would be nice, for sure, but it would still boil down to that 'Room of One's Own'. And a big kitchen with a larder - I like making jam.

      'Lock up your libraries if you like; but there is no gate, no lock, no bolt that you can set upon the freedom of my mind'. Virginia Woolf.

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  20. It is really very difficult to find a single good thing to say about Gamble who was the apologist for the McCanns from the get-go for no apparent reason whatsoever. He unequivocally supported their version of events - which was about as flimsy as a house of cards - which put paid to any professional stance, objectivity or indeed integrity.

    Quite frankly the guy is a total creep and quite why he would have any power in terms of 'safeguarding' children is beyond extraordinary and can only be a reflection in my opinion of how sordid this whole field has become, infiltrated by apologists for parents who 'lost' their children in the most suspicious circumstances imaginable.

    Oh dear, anon at 19.04...is this a 'threat' LOL!!! Thanks for giving me the best laugh for a long time.....ha!!

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  21. It is really very difficult to find a single good thing to say about Gamble who was the apologist for the McCanns from the get-go for no apparent reason whatsoever. He unequivocally supported their version of events - which was about as flimsy as a house of cards - which put paid to any professional stance, objectivity or indeed integrity.

    Quite frankly the guy is a total creep and quite why he would have any power in terms of 'safeguarding' children is beyond extraordinary and can only be a reflection in my opinion of how sordid this whole field has become, infiltrated by apologists for parents who 'lost' their children in the most suspicious circumstances imaginable.

    Oh dear, anon at 19.04...is this a 'threat' LOL!!! Thanks for giving me the best laugh for a long time.....ha!!

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  22. He made you shut the feck up. Prove him wrong and repeat what you said about him.
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    I'm scared.....NOT...Gamble is a sweet, kind, lovely man who really cares about children....

    (have I said the right thing...??)

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    1. And very sensitive 23:16. I actually saw him face to face at a meeting for survivors of historic abuse at the House of Commons. He was one of the speakers along with Mark Williams-Thomas, but he didn't speak because he was overcome with emotion. Strange really, because at the time I think he, along with MWT were looking to head the CSI Inquiry. I don't know why he changed his mind about speaking, but it must be said, there was a lot of hostility towards him in that very crowded room.

      It was an interesting experience - in the corridor after, I found myself surrounded by journalists from national newspapers, they were really keen to hear what I had to say. I got a lot of numbers.

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  23. @Anon 27 October at 23:16
    Hi

    I cannot know what kind of man Jim Gamble really is, but he seems to be an extraordinary gifted psycholigist anyway, far superior to anyone within the Portuguese PJ, as he needed just a few seconds chat with the McCanns in order to conclude, that they couldn't possibly be guilty of anything. I'm still very impressed by that.

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    1. That was impressive Bjorn, I doubt any eminent psychologist with a string of academic credentials, could have been so sure, so quickly.

      I sometimes wonder if Gerry and Kate have some kind of hypnotic trick like the snake in Jungle Book, to win certain people into their little folie a deux, some sort of charisma that the rest of us can't see?

      Ray Wyre, Clement Freud and Piers Morgan were/are similarly enthralled and utterly convinced, that the McCanns, by their very nature, could not possibly be involved in their daughter's disappearance.

      Actually, the List goes on, I once heard former Home Secretary Alan Johnson, say much the same thing, Lorraine Kelly, Mark Williams-Thomas, Carol Malone, Tony Parsons. All firm believers that nice people don't commit heinous crimes.

      How so many, seemingly sane people, were prepared to believe the two suspects over the Portuguese police, will I am sure, for many years be used by academics as an example of mass hypnosis. I'm also pretty sure it will feature strongly in Criminology, Society and the ways in which politicians and the media can be manipulated. Move over Joseph Goebbels!

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    2. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11077525/Madeleine-McCann-I-listened-for-15-seconds-and-knew-they-were-innocent.html

      'His lawyer made contact with the McCanns and they met Kennedy in London. “Within 15 seconds of listening to Kate,” he said, “I made a decision, using all the emotional intelligence one builds up over many years. I was 100 per cent convinced of their total innocence. I told them that, one, we would find a top Portuguese lawyer to defend them, and get them off as arguidos [the McCanns had been designated “named suspects” by the Portuguese authorities days before they returned to England]. Two, we’d do everything in our power to influence the public’s perspective and views. And, three, we’d support them in setting up some private investigators ... The Portuguese police had stopped investigating. It was urgent to get some other guys on to it.”

      Top-level legal help was found in Portugal. At Kennedy’s bidding and at his expense, Clarence Mitchell – a government adviser who had previously acted as the McCanns’ spokesman in Praia da Luz, the holiday resort from where Madeleine had disappeared – quit his Whitehall job and came back on-board.'

      We’d do everything in our power to influence the public’s perspective and views.

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    3. Along with T7, JW+Partner (BOD) where is Brian (Everest) Kennedy now and the paid advisers, PR and PIs now?

      Even the Titanic never seemed quite so desolate

      Never a word heard from anyone who was at PDL from the UK at the time. Not a word. Repeat ten years and nothing.

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    4. Well spotted 12:37!

      And didn't they just [do everything in their power] - it was a campaign Clarence Mitchell was very proud of. He uses it to pitch his PR services, though not, it appears, in the UK. I think the Campaign actually won an award - they did in fact manage to change the public's perspective and views. Well, the perspective and views of police chiefs, politicians and the media, the public were not so gullible.

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    5. Björn28 October 2017 at 10:51

      ''he needed just a few seconds chat with the McCanns in order to conclude, that they couldn't possibly be guilty of anything. I'm still very impressed by that.''

      It's a few seconds more than you, Bjorn. Yet you can read the McCanns minds and tell everyone what they done, how they did it and how they've gone on to become fraudster too. Now that's what I call impressive.

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    6. @ Anonymous28 October 2017 at 19:32

      tut tut - you should realise that Björn's hate and venom on here is something that Ros snuggles down to and feels warm about in bed about.

      In other words - he is her hero that keeps her going through difficult times.

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    7. The Bonnie and Clyde of nuttiness

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    8. Outside a playground that is embarrassingly pathetic 20:47. Must try harder.

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    9. ''I sometimes wonder if Gerry and Kate have some kind of hypnotic trick like the snake in Jungle Book, to win certain people into their little folie a deux, some sort of charisma that the rest of us can't see?''

      I suppose you'd have to recognise the difference between viewing two strangers in the glare of the lights and cameras and surrounded by microphones having to answer questions about, and re-live, the night their child went missing, and knowing them personally and talking to them privately.

      ''How so many, seemingly sane people, were prepared to believe the two suspects over the Portuguese police, will I am sure, for many years be used by academics as an example of mass hypnosis.''

      How rational is it to keep a list of names of people who have publicly cast doubt on the guilt of the parents like they're personal enemies ? Over the Portugal police ? You mean they believed the parents were guilty yet didn't arrest them ? I think psychologists would yield far more interesting aspects of behaviour by studying how and why the mind is so susceptible to mob rule and herding online if this case is anything to go by.Who remembers the Lindy Chamberlain public fiasco ?

      '' I'm also pretty sure it will feature strongly in Criminology, Society and the ways in which politicians and the media can be manipulated. Move over Joseph Goebbels!''

      On how the publics perception should determine whether or not the police should or shouldn't arrest perpetrators of a crime ? Or is the suggestion that the McCanns with their 'snake like hypnosis' have manipulated all of the above. Conning the public is easy. Politicians and the media make a living from it.The public are easy.Police, on the other hand, are supposed to remain objective and detached, and remain focused on one objective - to solve the crime regardless of opinions and shocks. What happened to them ?

      VT

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  24. Anon 13.38

    No doubt the McCanns have put a block on all of their friends/neighbours/work colleagues speaking about them. After all they have the money to do it, the £millions they've accumulated on the back of their "missing" daughter. They want all that lovely money pouring in to threaten law suits but don't want anyone to speak badly about them if they've never been good neighbours/friends/work colleagues.

    After all, if your daughter goes missing under strange circumstances and the mother refuses to answer 48 questions put to her by the police (I suspect the police already knew the answers that's why they asked the questions) she doesn't want the nosy neighbours/friends/work colleagues filling in the blanks.

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      Another 'no doubt' post. That's new. There are enough of your kind filling in blanks for anyone.

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    2. Anon 15:07

      Yes they have paid off everyone - you are so observant - all of their friends/neighbours/work colleagues are now living in luxury from their pay off.

      One little smidgen of proof of that would be appreciated.

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    3. Anon 20.03

      There is no payoff required, just a injunction from the Courts to stop anyone talking to the press etc. Many "celebrities" do the same, those with plenty of money to splash around to stop any stories about their private lives getting into the public domain that they don't want the general public to know about.

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    4. You mean a 'super injunction' ? As you say, the rich, the well connected and celebrities can buy them. But we're talking about two members of the public. And you can't buy a super injunction that can protect you from crimes against the state, which is what tax evasion and defrauding the public is. Any funding that came from tax payers money and was then used dishonestly or criminally, is both. It borders on treason. Don't tell me..'team McCann' influenced the Crown...

      VT

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  25. @Anonymous28 October 2017 at 12:37
    Hi

    Yes, let us never forget Gamble's and others' roles in the McCanns' fairy tale.

    "we would find a top Portuguese lawyer to defend them, and get them off as arguidos"
    Wouldn't it have been easier to ask the McCanns to co-operate with the PJ and participate in a reconstruction?

    "we’d do everything in our power to influence the public’s perspective and views"
    Why manipulate the public's view, if it weren't for asking the general public to donate to their Fund. As for their private investigation, the McCanns have never asked for the public's opinion or help to solve the case. They have just asked the public to look everywhere for a live child, who looks like Madeleine, while their so called detectives have been quiet about what they've been doing.Nice work!

    "we’d support them in setting up some private investigators"

    Why would they need that, when there was an ongoing Portugueese investigation, and later a shelved investigation that could have been opened, had the McCanns so wished.

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  26. Bjorn 15.10

    The McCanns and their "helpers" knew full well that it was against the Portuguese law to have private investigators when an ongoing investigation was in progress.

    So what were these "investigators" actually doing - they don't seem to have come up with anything of any significance, only wracking up £thousands in expenses etc, I sometimes wonder if this was a way of secreting expenses somewhere overseas the same as their £1,000 a month expenses for their website, when it would most probably cost £50 a week, what were those £thousands going in to?

    No wonder their accounts were not transparent as they promised they would be, why are they not transparent? What are they hiding behind their £millions they've accumulated in the past 10 years.

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    1. Ah so you are now adding money laundering to the list of things the Mccanns are guilty of.
      Keep the list going - it is fascinating.

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      According to Eddie and Keela there was no abduction.

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      Anon 20.12
      According to Eddie and Keela there was no abduction."
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      Did my post at 20:12 mention abduction?

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  27. Volume XIII
    Pages 3434 - 3436


    Service Information
    2007.11.14

    To: Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation
    From: Joao Carlos, Inspector

    Concerning the investigation of the disappearance of the British minor, Madeleine McCann, I present you Sir with the following:

    On the 19th of October, we were contacted by the Commissary General, located in Madrid, by the Chief of the Kidnapping Unit, Alberto Carbas, who passed to us the information that the McCann family had contracted a Spanish company known as “METODO 3”, composed of Spanish private detectives. This business, or in other words, the costs of the activities of this business were being covered by a Scottish multi-millionaire whose name is BRIAN KENNEDY and whose objective was to locate the British minor.

    With this information, we were asked if we were available and interested in meeting with a representative of this Spanish business, and also with the Commissary General and Chief of the Kidnapping Unit of the Police of our neighbouring country, whose operation is in Madrid.

    The meeting had as its objective to receive on behalf of the private detectives, from that moment and for their own wishes, relevant information with the aim to ascertain the truth, and to state that they would not interfere in police work, and at most they would serve as a complement to some useful information. They firmly state that they are not working directly for the McCann family, but for Brian Kennedy and that their sole purpose is to locate the missing child, or to gather the inescapable truth of what happened.
    They did not ask for any information regarding the investigation, nor was any offered to them, for obvious reasons as this is found incorporated in the Portuguese penal process.

    On the 13th of the current year, in the presence of the signatory and inspectors Paulo Ferreira and Ricardo Paiva, a meeting was held, in this department, with Brian Kennedy, the director of the detective company, Francisco Marco and an advisor of this same company, Antonio Jimenez, ex-chief of the Kidnapping Unit of Catalan. From the beginning, Brian Kennedy was questioned, and ascertained that the meeting only had this scope--of transmitting that his objective in all of this was purely charitable in that he is interested [in helping to stop] the bad treatment of minors and in missing children. He affirmed that he only was interested in discovering the truth and nothing more even if the McCann family, the friends, or any other person is found to be involved in the disappearance.

    During the course of this meeting, the director of METODO 3 gave us a small book (attached), with information relative to the disappearance of the minor. This information, as we were told, was received via telephone and that they had already opened a line in Spain, specifically to receive and deal with information.

    In this book, written in Spanish, we can analyse three pieces of information:

    1. In the first case, we observed that there was report of facts which occurred in August/September of 2006, and which appears to us somewhat extemporaneous, as it cannot now be related to the material under investigation.
    2. In the second point, we should remember that the computers of Sergey Malinka were searched and that nothing of suspicion was found there or related to paedophilia.
    3. In that which concerns the third point, we are currently carrying out diligences with the intent to confirm or disprove the related information.

    With nothing more to report.

    Joao Carlos, Inspector

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    1. "From the beginning, Brian Kennedy was questioned, and ascertained that the meeting only had this scope--of transmitting that his objective in all of this was purely charitable in that he is interested [in helping to stop] the bad treatment of minors and in missing children."

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      https://nltimes.nl/2017/07/21/jehovahs-witnesses-paradise-pedophiles-report

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      https://www.rt.com/news/385539-jehovah-witnesses-ban-russia/

      "One of Jehovah’s Witnesses strict beliefs – a complete ban on blood transfusions – can potentially endanger the life of a child, argued Borisova. She cited a case when devout followers of the group refused to give consent for the procedure needed by their child."

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    2. What have I missed ? Jehovas Witnesses ? Where do they come into it.

      VT

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    3. Jehovas are just like you VT aka Ziggy , They turn up uninvited they are not welcome and seen a joke figures by many ,they also try to foster their outdated views on people who could not give a shit ,

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    4. VT/Anon 00.38

      If you are so "into" this case as you think you are you would know by now who are JWs.

      As you obviously don't you're just watching from the sidelines and pretend you have all knowledge of the McCanns and the disappearance of Madeleine.

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    5. Feel better now ? Great choice to let this post through. Raises the tone. Kids eh..

      VT

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    6. VT / Anon 14.09

      No, VT you're the kid, unfortunately being used to speak on behalf of "other" people as you have no idea what this case is all about. Every time you post you show how out of touch you are, otherwise you would know about the JW connection.

      I suggest you get yourself up to speed with all things McCann before you go mocking other people and making yourself look stupid.

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    7. ''As you obviously don't you're just watching from the sidelines and pretend you have all knowledge of the McCanns and the disappearance of Madeleine.''

      I'm watching from the sidelines whereas you're watching from where exactly ? Are you typing from a secret cupboard near the filing cabinet that holds the infamous PJ files ? Or are you the undercover private detective posing as one of the cleaners at New Scotland Yard. If you sober up any time soon, perhaps you could do me and this blog a favour and offer an example or two of my 'pretending to have all knowledge of the McCanns and disappearance of Madeleine'. In fact, one example would suffice. Then we can talk about the difference between 'knowledge' and 'theory' or 'hypothesis'. We can look at the respected online 'experts and authorities' on the subject and who claims to 'know' and 'have no doubt' and point to 'proof' and how none of it is supported by anything. Then we can look at those who discuss possibilities and ideas as just that without claiming to know who did what, who went where, and who really 'knows'.

      VT

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    8. 'infamous' PJ files. Why do you refer to them as 'infamous?'

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    9. You reap what you sow VT. You positively ooze anger and hostility. Why so angry towards people who hold a different opinion to yourself? If you keep chucking jibes out there, they will come right back at you.

      I really do urge you and the whole of Team McCann to have even a cursory look at the Law of Attraction. You have all been giving out so many negative vibes for so long, you are not even aware of them.

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    10. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton29 October 2017 at 22:26

      ''You reap what you sow VT. You positively ooze anger and hostility.''

      A highly subjective reading of what I write. Gven that at least 75% of your own personal text on this crusading blog is aimed at blackening the names and reputations of two people who lost a child. Much of that text is little more than personal attacks as you see them. It may be what they say, how they say it or how the look.It's a journal of catharsis. You applaud anyone who agrees and attack anyone who doesn't. The grounds for either don't matter. This particular observation is good old fashioned projection.

      ''Why so angry towards people who hold a different opinion to yourself? ''

      ( that kind of thing )

      ''I really do urge you and the whole of Team McCann to have even a cursory look at the Law of Attraction. You have all been giving out so many negative vibes for so long, you are not even aware of them.;;

      Me and the whole of Team McCann. Is that you trying to be subtle ? I don't need teams or a herd to latch onto. I can think for myself.I can do it in a balanced way too. ' Negative Vibes' was the 60s. The nonsensical esoteric 'Law Of Attraction' was the New Age fad of the 90s. Where do we all find this 'law' of attraction for the cursory look ?

      VT

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    11. Anonymous29 October 2017 at 15:34

      ''I suggest you get yourself up to speed with all things McCann before you go mocking other people and making yourself look stupid.''

      ''No, VT you're the kid, unfortunately being used to speak on behalf of "other" people as you have no idea what this case is all about''

      Other people ? What other people ? Are they real to everyone or just in your imagination ? I asked a question above these posts. A simple, unambiguous question about a JH connection. I must have neen tired or not concentrating as I though I'd get a sensible or mature response.A simple answer to a simple question.Instead, i get the slack-jawed babbling of someone with more imagination than sense.

      VT

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    12. Gaggzy29 October 2017 at 22:15

      'infamous' PJ files. Why do you refer to them as 'infamous?'

      Because ' read the PJ files' is by far the most quoted phrase with regard to how obvious everything is that incriminates the parents and the Tapas group. Anyone who doubts their innocence is guided to look there for the 'proof'. Where are they housed ? Who put them on paper ? Why haven't they been read by the police forces ? If they have- what are they waiting for ?

      VT

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    13. Infamy,infamy they've all got it infamy.

      Evidence is what will crack this case pure and simple,or not as the case may be.What was it Redwood said,Madeleine leaving the apartment alive may not be our line of thinking,or words to that effect,much the same as the original PJ investigation,sadly the mortal remains of the girl to be found is what will end the saga.Or the greater likelihood imo of SY saying person/persons unknown removed Madeleine from 5a leaving not a trace of her whereabouts.

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    14. Anon/VT 29 Oct 23.37

      This is what you actually said -

      Anonymous 29 October 2017 at 00:38
      What have I missed ? Jehovas Witnesses ? Where do they come into it.

      VT

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      And and I said replying to you if you knew anything about what's been going on for the past 10 years you would know what the JW (not JH as you later refer to it as)link was.

      If you don't you can always Google it and find out.

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    15. ''Redwood said,Madeleine leaving the apartment alive may not be our line of thinking,or words to that effect''

      He also made public pleas to anyone who might know where she is or or who might be holding her.He promoted the desperate 'age progression' idea and the growing closeness between the met and the PJ. Then he tried to 'identify investigative opportunities by working through 'material' together with the PJ of their files'. In 2013 he said he /they were three quarters of the way through and had identified 'roughly 195 lines of inquiry' . It's 2017 now.With regard to your observation, he said 'on the evidence we've reviewed to date, we believe there's a possibility that she's alive''.He added that, from early in the investigation,there were two strands to the investigation : ''one that she is still alive and the other that, sadly, she's not''. No shit Sherlock. So the finest brains in the met came up with a heads or tails . The coins been spinning in the air for over ten years now and everyone's looking up willing it to fall.Now that's mass distraction at it's finest .

      ''Or the greater likelihood imo of SY saying person/persons unknown removed Madeleine from 5a leaving not a trace of her whereabouts.''

      If she was removed from 5A either dead or alive, why would that leave a trace of where she is now ?

      As you said, only evidence will crack the case.And if they haven't found any in this amount of time, they aren't going to now.If it was there, someone would have found it.If they found it but hid it, they did that for a reason. Considering the nature of this crime (or crimes) it must have been a pretty heavy reason for so many of the suited and booted to risk their careers and reputations, let alone liberty.

      VT

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    16. The flaw in your projection theory is the fact that I'm not angry and hostile, and those words don't describe me or my writing. My approach to this case is academic. I study human behaviour. My blog is not hate filled, I have taken debate on this issue, away from the sleaze and hysterics of the more notorious forums, and into the realms of reason and logic and, compassion.

      The idea that I, or anyone, who doesn't believe the abduction story, hates Gerry and Kate personally is juvenile VT, playground in fact.

      I hate the lies VT. Lies created not just to protect those responsible for this child's disappearance, but lies created to deliberately harm others. My conscience would not allow me to let them go unchallenged.

      Gerry and Kate have created their own narrative for what happened to Madeleine, and their need to raise millions. However, this is not a one narrative world. The idea that the British people, should not be allowed to discuss anything other than abduction, is absurd. As absurd as the idea that I am blackening Gerry and Kate's names and reputations because I don't like them.

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    17. Why am I not in the least surprised that you dismiss the Law of Attraction as hippy nonsense VT without knowing anything about it. Google: Law of Attraction.

      Let me guess, you are so popular, charismatic and persuasive, you don't need it? Yeh. Keep telling yourself that.

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    18. @ VT read again,I said leaving not a trace.

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    19. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton30 October 2017 at 13:22

      ''Why am I not in the least surprised that you dismiss the Law of Attraction as hippy nonsense VT without knowing anything about it. Google: Law of Attraction. ''

      ''Let me guess, you are so popular, charismatic and persuasive, you don't need it? Yeh. Keep telling yourself that.''

      I didn't say it - you did.You and those guesses...

      I don't need to google law of attraction. What i learned from studying psychology at an academic level, rather than daytime television or Waterstone's latest 'as seen on TV' list, explains how the mind works on more than one level. The law of attraction is for the Emile Coue brigade. So, hold on to your faith in karma, and the laws of this and that, and don't pay attention to the reality of a world falling to bits as the demons go unpunished and innocents are led like lambs to the slaughter.I'll keep my head out of the clouds and my feet on the ground. It's a more reliable view if not so pleasant.

      VT

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    20. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton30 October 2017 at 13:11

      ''The flaw in your projection theory is the fact that I'm not angry and hostile, and those words don't describe me or my writing''

      I don't think there's a flaw in my theory but we can agree to disagree. As for the content and tone of your writing, isn't that for the readers to decide ?

      ''The idea that I, or anyone, who doesn't believe the abduction story, hates Gerry and Kate personally is juvenile VT, playground in fact.''

      If you read what i posted more carefully, you'll see that the word 'hate' doesn't appear once.I said 'personal attacks'. Do you honestly think that I'm the only reader of your blog that sees that ?


      ''I hate the lies VT. Lies created not just to protect those responsible for this child's disappearance, but lies created to deliberately harm others. My conscience would not allow me to let them go unchallenged. ''

      A commendable stance. I agree. However, you know as well as I know, that you have to know for sure that something is a lie. Truth can stand on it's own two feet.A lie can be knocked on it's arse sharpish by a truth that kills it.Nobody outside of the crime and investigation( ie, you, me and the world and his dog) can't possibly 'know' the truth.If you, or anyone, could expose lies by demonstration and not speculation, progress would begin.

      '' The idea that the British people, should not be allowed to discuss anything other than abduction, is absurd.''

      Of course it is. Especially given the time that's gone by. Madeleine, and her fate, became public property from May03 2007. We couldn't hide from it, whether or not we wanted to.It was on the radio, TV, internet, posters, sporting events etc .Therefore, in exchange for the grief we felt when it became public, we're entitled to suspect, consider, discuss, or wonder at all things 'Madeleine'. I think to consider only one area and hold one narrow view is time wasted, however, especially if it fails to bear fruit after ten years. That should prompt those so determined to stick to that lone furrow to ask questions concerning just why it hasn't been shown to be the right road.Why so much that appears so clear( to them) has failed to alert those looking so closely at it, and on a salary to do so.Or that another road might be worth exploring.

      VT


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  28. Anonymous 28 October at 17:22

    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIAN-KENNEDY.htm

    “During the course of this meeting, the director of METODO 3 gave us a small book (attached), with information relative to the disappearance of the minor.”

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    “Agents from Scotland Yard and from the Spanish National Police carry boxes with documents given by the detectives agency, yesterday in Barcelona”

    http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/56dec11/Elperiodico_14_12_2011.htm

    http://www.elperiodico.com/es/sociedad/20111214/scotland-yard-busca-en-bcn-pistas-de-madeleine-mccann-1269555

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  29. Anon 29 Oct 07.50

    “During the course of this meeting, the director of METODO 3 gave us a small book (attached), with information relative to the disappearance of the minor.”

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    Flamin' heck, that statement takes some beating. I don't think I've ever seen or read anything like it in all my life living on this Earth.

    So a company which is more into money laundering than finding missing children produces a small book in relation to the disappearance of a missing child, no doubt passed on to the PJ from Brian Kennedy.

    You just couldn't make it up, I don't know whether to laugh or cry!!!

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  30. What can actually be done by various police forces when there is no body so far or sign of Madeleine? Surely someone should have a clue by now, after all how clever can these people actually be to have hoodwinked so many for so long?

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    1. Anon @19:04,that is the $64,000 question,its who is doing the hoodwinking though?

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    2. $64,000 question, how much is the answer worth though?

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  31. @19.04

    ''no body so far or sign of Madeleine?''

    Exactly, what can be done. From the UK stance, we have coughed up £12m+ plus plus and rising, for a team over a six year period to wade through piles of files, from PJ, Private investigators\3 sets, LP etc etc

    Now compare with to Jill Dando, a crimewatch presenter no less, shot dead on her doorstep, in day light, in London. They have the body. UNSOLVED.

    What hope is there to solve the case of Madeleine McCann, by a team of detectives, wading through files.

    Perhaps they could turn their attention to Jill Dando and apply the same magical science!

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    1. You are going with the assumption that Operation Grange won't end with a definitive conclusion 08:29.

      If this case weren't solveable, they wouldn't have started an official investigation, and they certainly wouldn't have dragged it on for 6+ years. When the PJ found they couldn't take the case any further, they shelved it, and made it quite clear, that it would not be re-opened without new evidence.

      I think the amount of time and the amount of money spent on this case, hints that this is going to be huge, much bigger in fact, than when it first broke news in May 2007. And much, much more, than Tapas Two, Tapas Six or Tapas Nine.

      Those of us who have followed this case closely, know how far and wide this spiders web spread. I fear however, that arrests in the Madeleine case will coincide with arrests in the Trump case, a good time for all bad news to be buried.

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    2. As it's said I've been on the case, from MF 3A here there and everywhere.

      I don't think this case was ever taken on for any other reason that Brooks aka Sun coerced Cameron, remembering well it had been turned down three times by Home secretaries, twice under labour & May.

      But - they started and they must continue. Their only saving grace is the number of crimes, that have with hindsight shown to be glaring obvious if the information had been correctly correlated, for example the Yorkshire Ripper. Or even more recent and think you mentioned it the other day Tia Sharp - yep blunders but results. So, yes it's possible.

      But I'm now thinking too much water under the bridge. Only saving grace might be Portugal and the LUCKY BREAK.

      Whatever Op. Grange has achieved,<<< fill this space >>>
      not re-interviewing the main witnesses seems at best negligent!

      Six years, £12million+

      Personally, I don't see anything 'far and wide' - no one it seems can pull the plug or know where to find it!

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    3. Hi 16:17, it will be interesting to find out the full story behind the Brooks, Cameron, Sun front page saga.

      The motive for Rebekah Brooks was obvious, a surge in sales of The Sun, and that would happen if the parents were innocent or guilty. As you say, the request for the Review (Gamble report) was turned down by the previous Home Secretary and had been left on a shelf gathering dust under Theresa May.

      David Cameron it seems gave the go ahead for the Review, and then the full investigation. I think for Gerry and Kate it was a case of 'be careful what you wish for, you might get it'.

      Six years, £12m+ I think equals, fffing big case. Ie. Not a lone stranger abductor.

      I think when the time is right, someone will pull the plug 16:17. There will undoubtedly be a sea of red faces, but there is no way out.

      As for not re-interviewing the main witnesses 16:17, once a suspect or witness is lawyered up, there is nothing the police can do. That's why the Portuguese police shelved the case in 2008.

      Not re-interviewing them, was explained away as the police being satisfied with the original investigation. That is terrible news for the McCanns, their best hope would have been for Goncalo Amaral's part of the investigation to be torn to shreds. It hasn't been. It still stands.

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    4. ''I think when the time is right, someone will pull the plug 16:17. There will undoubtedly be a sea of red faces, but there is no way out. ''

      If things stay as they are now -ie stood still, like it was in 2007- then no way out will be needed.It will be a cold case and that will be that.No collars felt, no one paying for a crime.

      ''once a suspect or witness is lawyered up, there is nothing the police can do. That's why the Portuguese police shelved the case in 2008.''

      A lawyer can't stop a police force making an arrest and a charge.They could have done that instead of shelving it all.They've had ten years to find something to use in order to make an arrest viable.If they had found something, or seen one of the so-called discrepancies in the statements that can be deemed as incriminating, that would be a start. Have they ignored that or not been able to find anything ?

      '' their best hope would have been for Goncalo Amaral's part of the investigation to be torn to shreds. It hasn't been. It still stands.''

      Doing what good, apart from online?

      As for Brooks and Cameron... That's a microcosm of the Tory party and their media bedmates and how they have an 'intimate' relationship. And intimate relationships among these reptiles usually come with all manner of leverage.Who has what on who about what ? Who needs 'favours' now or down the line -and why ? Cameron is Pinnochio ; he wants to be a real boy, but too many strings lead from him to too many hands.Ask News International, or Murdoch, or Freud, or, indeed, Brooks...

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/nov/04/david-cameron-texts-rebekah-brooks

      VT

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    5. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton30 October 2017 at 13:39

      ''You are going with the assumption that Operation Grange won't end with a definitive conclusion 08:29.''

      Hardly a wild assumption if you consider the amount of time and money that's been spent and how many officers involved.What can they be looking at that the PJ haven't already ? Don't tell me ''nobody knows so it must be huge''. Yes, that'll be it. It's too big to share.

      ''I fear however, that arrests in the Madeleine case will coincide with arrests in the Trump case, a good time for all bad news to be buried.''

      Trump and other irrelevancies aside, don't you think there's been plenty of 'good' times to bury bad news in the UK since 2007. Scottish Referendum, a couple of elections and changes of Government. One or two politicians named and shamed in disgraceful scandal.The's been plenty and there still is. What you fear is really another way of expressing your own wishful thinking. You've come out with statements like ' i fear things are coming to a conclusion soon' for two years now online.

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    6. Tis true, I have many times before thought things were coming to a conclusion. That's what makes this case so vexing!

      I also agree there have been many good times to bury bad news over the years, but I imagine the case for the prosecution wasn't ready.

      This time however, Scotland Yard have announced that Operation Grange is coming to an end. And OG have just £154k to wind it up.

      The idea that it will end up as a filed cold case after all the time and money spent on it, is absurd, the wishful thinking comes from you.

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    7. The original investigation will be integral to any prosecution VT. And the original investigation points towards the parents involvement. As you say, spotted by everyone online.

      From the McCanns and their friends' perspective, that should be deeply worrying. They needed OG to find something else from 'that night' to steer the suspicion away from them. That they haven't even bothered, confirms that they are satisfied with Goncalo Amaral's original investigation.

      So if they haven't re-visited the original investigation, what have they been investigating?

      Petty thieves and low lives are not complex characters, they are among the first to be picked up. Gangs? Unlikely. If there are trafficking or paedophile rings operating, it would be remiss for two police forces to allow them to carry on undisturbed for 10 years.

      Hundreds of people suspected of being involved in a cover up, hmmm

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    8. After ten years and 12 million, why is the idea of it ending as a cold case 'absurd' ?

      VT

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    9. ''Hundreds of people suspected of being involved in a cover up, hmmm''

      My guess is around a couple of dozen.Not the stereotypes you're referring to, however.Far more up market.

      VT

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  32. Anon30 October 2017 at 08:29
    @19.04

    ''no body so far or sign of Madeleine?''

    Exactly, what can be done. From the UK stance, we have coughed up £12m+ plus plus and rising, for a team over a six year period to wade through piles of files, from PJ, Private investigators\3 sets, LP etc etc

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    We don't know what the UK is doing with all that money, perhaps they're helping the PJ to put a case together, after all if the culprits were from the UK why should Portugal have to pay all the costs. I expect their bill must run into hundreds of thousands of Euros as it is, they didn't ask for a child to go "missing" in their country, the McCanns put that onus on Portugal in May 2007. Perhaps they thought it was a backward country and their police were all country bumpkins, however, they found out to their cost that Amaral and his colleagues were hardened police officers who dealt with drug gangs and all other sorts of criminals. Perhaps the McCanns bit off more than they could chew when dealing with the PJ.

    "What hope is there to solve the case of Madeleine McCann, by a team of detectives, wading through files."

    I don't suppose SY have been wading through files, they have no need to as they have no jurisdiction over the Portuguese investigation. They can only deal with things on the UK side, i.e. the "Fund".

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  33. ' I expect their bill must run into hundreds of thousands of Euros as it is, they didn't ask for a child to go "missing" in their country, the McCanns put that onus on Portugal in May 2007. Perhaps they thought it was a backward country and their police were all country bumpkins'

    perhaps they didn't think their child would be abducted

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    1. Anon 17.51

      No abduction, woof, woof. Are you to ignore the dogs' findings, think about it -

      your child goes missing, say a 3 year old, playing in your front garden, the child disappears never to be seen again. The police do a forensic test in your house and all the surrounding houses. One house has the cadaver dog and blood indicating that there was a dead body there, do you -

      1) freak out and want to kill the people living there

      2) ignore the dogs' findings and say "oh they're useless, don't worry about them they don't know their arses from their elbows"

      3) just carry on as if nothing has happened and start a multi million £ fund, asking people to find your "missing" child, and if you find out anything contact us the parents not the police.

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    2. All of which implies that the police ignored the dogs' findings, which, by extension, makes them accessories after the fact.All under the noses of, or the orders of, their superior officers. That's an awful lot of people taking big risks for two people they don't know, merely because of their 'social standing' in the UK

      VT

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    3. The police didn't ignore the dogs' findings VT!

      It changed the entire course of the investigation. They were no longer looking for a live child! The McCanns were made Arguidos!

      Since that time the only people 'searching' for Madeleine have been Team McCann, CEOP and Missing People. The only searching OG have done has been with digging machines and cadaver dogs.

      In no way does that equate to 'Ignoring'.

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    4. In that case the dogs' evidence was enough to make the McCanns suspects.But not to hold them as suspects and both SY and the PJ have since confirmed that they are no longer suspects.Does this suggest that they believe Madeleine is dead but it wasn't at the hands of their parents ? It seems to . Unless they PJ and SY are lying, of course. Redwood was still talking about the possibilities of dead and alive long after OG had began. Does the failure to uncover a body prove she's alive somewhere ? Maybe they would find a body if they found a killer or whoever buried it. I thought investigating a case at such great expense would cover far more than diggers.

      VT

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    5. I don't think a body will ever be found because, in my personal opinion, it was dumped at sea.

      It is amazing how only this year they have been finding ships sunk in WWII that they have been searching for seven decades, especially the ones that sunk at known locations. If, with modern technology, they stil can't find whacking great ships at known locations, what hope is there to find a small body somewhere off the coast of Portugal that is likely totally decomposed and left no trace by now.

      Assuming a body will never be found, could anyone in this case ever be proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt?

      Only a confession by someone close to the case will solve this one I think.

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  34. VT 30 October 2017 at 12:42

    You very wisely say;
    "Considering the nature of this crime (or crimes) it must have been a pretty heavy reason for so many of the suited and booted to risk their careers and reputations, let alone liberty.

    Allow me to be a little philosophical VT

    If you think that it’s worth taking a great risk by lying about the truth, then you must also believe that the truth as such would ruin your life just as much as your lie, if your lie were proved to be a lie.

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  35. Björn30 October 2017 at 18:09

    ''If you think that it’s worth taking a great risk by lying about the truth, then you must also believe that the truth as such would ruin your life just as much as your lie, if your lie were proved to be a lie. ''

    I agree completely.Where you and I probably differ is that, in this case, the liar is far more crucial than the lie. Find the liar, crack the case.

    VT

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    1. So to continue this conundrum, quote from Winston Churchill (but substitute Russia)
      ''Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.''
      Then we can go another full circle, back to GA's book
      ''The Truth of the lie''
      A rather strange title, often thought something was lost in translation. But was it in the content of the book that was such an issue with TM or merely it's title hitting a raw note.
      Consider the meaning of illusion and delusion, makes for interesting thought! Since I believe the 'mass hysteria' (T7) of this saga, believe the illusion. Want and need to believe, therefore unshakeable.

      On a note of compassion, rather them than me. Since I couldn't live with this level of 'guilt' to look back on a holiday with kids left, whilst enjoying myself. But then, mental comfort derived by from the illusion, serves it's purpose well.

      There comes a point when you have taken too many bites of the cherry cake, there's nothing left, irrespective of the store of old 'chest nuts'!


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    2. 30.10, 18:42

      "Find the liar, crack the case."

      A statement of the bleeding obvious. Police forces worldwide do it routinely. Except,of course, the Met. apparently. I mean, it's not as if they have far to travel to find the liar in this instance, or squander millions doing so.

      The SUN newspaper yesterday expressed indignation at the police spending £800k+ in their investigation of Sir Cliff Richard. Against which the cost of the McCann 'Review' etc., and the deliberate 'pussyfooting' around those present at 'point zero', is so obviously perverse even a child could spot the anomaly.

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    3. Anonymous31 October 2017 at 06:18

      ''The Truth of the lie'' . A rather strange title, often thought something was lost in translation.

      Understatement :-)

      ''
      On a note of compassion, rather them than me. Since I couldn't live with this level of 'guilt' ''

      Is there any evidence or quotes from them to support the idea that they feel guilt ?

      Vt

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    4. The Sun have no right to express indignation about anything.It's a rag run by morons...

      The Cliff Richard fiasco was an investment in my opinion.It was a well funded PR exercise for a very well connected celeb.How many 'societies' does he belong to ? When that 'raid' took place by surprise, isn't it strange that the BBC had cameras there to record everything ? It happened during the online fever following Savile's death and the revelations that followed. Celebrities were being culled at that time. Fred the weatherman, DLT, Coronation St stars, pop stars, comedians, all kinds. It was a feeding frenzy.But, at the same time, the real hunger was for the MPs to be lifted.For the Elm House, and Leon Britten allegations to be followed up.Cliff's name was connected to all of it and many of them. There was only flimsy evidence and innuendo to be fair. But he'd taken dual citizenship and a super injunction a year before it came out.That added to the suspicion. And then there was his buddy buddy friendships with Cameron and Blair and them having access to Cliff's Portugal Holiday Villa.We had to see a vast amount spent and an investigation come to nothing in order to support the frightened politician's weak arguments against what they wanted to call conspiracy theorists. So, like I said, a wise investment.

      VT

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    5. ''A statement of the bleeding obvious. Police forces worldwide do it routinely. Except,of course, the Met. apparently. I mean, it's not as if they have far to travel to find the liar in this instance, or squander millions doing so.''

      Petrol money to Downing Street, Whitehall, or Westminster.Cheap at half the price.

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    6. 31.10 @19:27

      All within walking distance. But for 'probable cause' you'd need to start with the McCanns, who couldn't lie straight in bed.

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    7. unlike our fine upstanding politicians :)

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  36. Theresa May urges victims of sexual harassment at Westminster to go to police

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-westminster-sexual-harassment-victims-police-women-whatsapp-group-parliament-latest-a8022986.html

    'We would advise people to contact the police if there is such an allegation, so that it's fully investigated'

    Comment sean1970
    "Says the woman who lost the files pertaining to Westminster child abuse when she was Home Secretary"

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  37. Anonymous 30 October 2017 at 18:42

    Morning, milord

    “Find the liar, crack the case.”

    Found!

    T

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    1. Morning Mr T

      By who ? When ? I haven't seen the news today yet :-)

      VT

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  38. Anon, October 30, 16:17 wrote: "I don't think this case was ever taken on for any other reason that Brooks aka Sun coerced Cameron, remembering well it had been turned down three times by Home Secretaries, twice under Labour,& May".

    Quite so. Is not the answer within the fabled 'Chipping Norton Set' on the Oxfordshire/Gloucestershire border? The Camerons, Rebekah Brooks, and Matthew Freud & Rupert Murdoch's daughter Elisabeth all occupied palatial residences within a few miles of each other, and attended lavish parties in each other's houses, along with other top members of 'The Great and the Good'(!). If anyone knows what really happened to Madeleine McCann among that lot, it is most likely to have been Rebekah Brooks and Matthew Freud, the man who offered Clarence Mitchell a job when his full-time contract working as the McCanns' PR ended. Rebekah Brooks had 'leverage' over David Cameron; remember they went horse-riding together. Whatever Rebekah Brooks knew about the case, she was able to force Cameron's hand...and the rest, as they say, is history.

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    1. Gerry and Kate were very naïve in believing the media would remain on their side. I suspect they were schmoozed as much as David Cameron. These stories and pictures will come back to haunt you, is something journalists never say (out loud).

      For RB, it was all about shifting newspapers, for DC, popularity, and the chance to expose New Labour as creeps. The very effective McCann Media monitoring machine, were able to convince DC, the parents still had the love and support of the British public. DC also had the benefit of full briefings from senior police officers and the secret services. He may have felt Britain owed it to Portugal to make amends.

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    2. Anonymous1 November 2017 at 08:22

      Insightful stuff. This is an area that I've suspected is crucial to many a 'puzzle' that lay hidden inside the mystery. It presents a picture of the deep understanding and bond that hold the media and the politicians together.It's very much a one-for-all, all-for-one oath. This includes the recent and present Tory Parties as well as New Labour( Tory party wearing the wrong coloured tie). Clarence has had privileged jobs for both parties and in the media. If Brooks knows the answers to the McCann questions, then she won't be the only one. She looked odds-on to get a spell in prison when the rumblings began about phone tapping and the likes.Somehow she escaped one.It's looked like Brooks as had a 'i know, and you know I know' hold over Cameron all along.And, let us not forget, Cameron was only third in line as PM ten years ago, Blair was still in power, then Brown.Two opposing parties but joined within the Chipping Norton set.

      Footnote: Mathew's famous uncle and that uncles casual conversations with the McCanns concerning press coverage and how they were dealing / coping with it...

      VT

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    3. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton1 November 2017 at 13:15

      ''For RB, it was all about shifting newspapers, for DC, popularity, and the chance to expose New Labour as creeps.''

      Cameron struggled to expose New Labour time and again when Blair was in charge.He didn't do much once he was in power either.Blair and Cameron / Brown are enemies for the cameras 'in the house'. genuine enemies don't share champers at the luxurious homes of mutual friends.Let's not forget the Scotland referendum either. Cameron was weak and getting weaker and losing with his embarrassing pleas to the Scots until two former New Labour PMs ( coincidentally Scots -born), Blair and Brown rescued it all for him. As for RB, she was worried about far more than selling papers.She had more skeletons than a graveyard.She needed favours and she needed to escape a jail term.

      '' DC also had the benefit of full briefings from senior police officers and the secret services.''

      In your opinion, why would he even need them ? It was /is an abduction of a child abroad ; a police matter.

      VT

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    4. Keep telling yourself that ziggysawdust. Maybe you will end up convincing yourself there was an abduction

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    5. @Anonymous1 November 2017 at 22:29

      ''It was /is an abduction of a child abroad ; a police matter.''

      Anonymous1 November 2017 at 22:29

      ''Keep telling yourself that ziggysawdust. Maybe you will end up convincing yourself there was an abduction''

      So, remind us all.What did the police think ? What did they say they were investigating. It doesn't matter what people on forums and blogs think does it ? It's what the police call it that maters. What is it that you've convinced yourself of without letting them interfere with your thinking ?Go on, surprise us.

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    6. @VT Get yourself along to Scotland Yard old chap,they just can't make this abduction malarkey fit.

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    7. Fit with who ? online forums ?

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  39. oh get your popcorn ready - verdi does not agree with petermuck's theory in the cesspit.

    That's after the row over the last few days between various members that was a joy to watch but has now disappeared to a members only section - hey ever his lordship blonk turned up again!

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    1. Anon 1 Nov 22.01

      Can you elaborate on what most of us have missed. I thought PeterM was a great friend of CMoMM, what has he said to upset the "wise one" Verdi?

      Oh dear, poor PM, it must have got a bit nasty. I was banned from the "cesspit" a long time ago, so can't infiltrate their Members' section.

      Thanks.

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    2. There is indeed a debate going on between PeterMc's theory and verdi's response. Actually the disagreement is not as great as all that. Both apparently agree that Madeleine was dead by Monday morning. PeterMc's theory, which is not new, is that Madeleine woke up Sunday night/Monday morning, climbed on the sofa in the living room (n the pitch black), fell and hit her head on the ceramic tiled floor, lost consciousness (and blood) and died. The McCanns staggered back from the pub in the early hours, and flopped into bed without checking the children. When they woke up in the morning, they found Maddie lying by the window in a state of rigor mortis. Hence the cover-up began.

      verdi simply rejects it because it is 'too speculative'.

      Yes, zampos/blonk is back on CMOMM. His theory is that 'something very serious' happened to Maddie on the Sunday evening or even afternoon. He is afraid to use the word 'died' in case of repercussions.

      Anyway, he is not posting about Maddie. He has graced the forum with posts about one of his obsessions, Brexit, and is celebrating the Balfour Declaration.

      To be fair, the evidence that Maddie died much earlier in the week is pretty strong, and most of the regular CMOMM posters support that

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    3. Anonymous2 November 2017 at 17:43
      "Anyway, he is not posting about Maddie."

      He is still posting about Madeleine - he just gets other people to post in their name - mainly havern.
      -----------------------------------------------

      "To be fair, the evidence that Maddie died much earlier in the week is pretty strong"

      Nonsense.

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    4. Officially, there's no actual evidence that she died at all.People think she did.Probably some or all of the two police forces do too.Nut it's conjecture until we're informed of anything different.These people lurk around the net telling(not suggesting) us that she's dead whatever the police say.Not only that, but when she died and that there's convincing evidence of it. They're insulting the police who have investigated it or are indirectly accusing them of incompetence or lying or both.There's convincing evidence that they have too much time on their hands.

      VT

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    5. What should they be doing Ziggy? Polishing their doorsteps or breaking rocks? Good, honest, hard labour?

      The Madeleine mystery, is a puzzle to be solved, and the human race are more inclined to puzzle solving these days, rather than breaking rocks.

      I truly don't understand your complaint Ziggy. Gerry and Kate want the disappearance of Madeleine to remain at the front of the news. In fact, that his what they have been working for, this past 10 years.

      They are the authors of their own misfortune. Every time they put a story out there, the public will discuss, mostly on social media. They have no control over the way in which the stories are discussed. Nor does the Queen, nor does the PM, nor does the President. I point that out to show just how far their megalomania is off the scale. No-one has the right to demand people believe them!

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  40. The theory has been whooshed - what a shame!

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    1. The theory is back again for general viewing.

      https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14681-petermac-s-theory-of-what-really-happened-to-madeleine-mccann#376492

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    2. Hi Eileen and thank you for posting and reading.

      I used to enjoy reading Petermac's 'work' until I discovered what an absolute arse he is. When I first joined the cesspit (jeez, I was naïve), Petermac sent me a long, detailed private message telling me exactly why I was an abomination to womanhood and the human race.

      I was a tad taken aback, as you can imagine, but to be fair, it is not the first time I have received long, ranting diatribes from middle aged men I have offended. His main problem btw, was my mention of marijuana use on my blog and my libertarian attitude!

      I wish I had kept it, but I am sure he will remember it well. That's not however, the reason I stopped reading him. It was when he went into the 'I'm right, dead right' approach. When anyone says that, I automatically switch off. A true 'discoverer' is open to anything that proves to be a better theory. Saying 'I'm right, dead right' is the same as putting on blinkers.

      Thank you for keeping us updated Eileen, it is appreciated.

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    3. @ Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton3 November 2017 at 18:54
      "Petermac sent me a long, detailed private message telling me exactly why I was an abomination to womanhood and the human race."

      It is probably the only time that I agree with petermuck.

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    4. Hi Ros!
      You could have put this warning before your following comment: 'IF YOU ARE DRINKING A CUP OF TEA PLEASE PLACE IT DOWN NOW!'
      "I used to enjoy reading Petermac's 'work' until I discovered what an absolute arse he is"
      --LMAO!--
      I was mid-cuppa as I read that and splurted it all over my keyboard I was laughing so much.
      Absolutely brilliant! That has just made my day and I've not even had breakfast, yet!
      -
      SixYearsInaComaMan

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    5. Ouch 20:49, I suspect you are one of those tight arsed God botherers who keeps the missus chained to the kitchen sink. Probably never got drunk or high in your life, or if you did, it was in secret. To you The Doors (of perception) were just a hippy rock band.

      Why should voices like mine be banned from the internet 20:49? Am I a bad influence on women? I do hope so, lol. And, hopefully, a bad influence on men too. If being a bad influence means being a force for good, then yes, I'm guilty. (Ivanka circa 2017).

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  41. VT, I've brought your post down from yesterday (up yonder) as it's getting lost among many others -

    Anonymous1 November 2017 at 17:49
    In that case the dogs' evidence was enough to make the McCanns suspects.But not to hold them as suspects and both SY and the PJ have since confirmed that they are no longer suspects.Does this suggest that they believe Madeleine is dead but it wasn't at the hands of their parents ? It seems to . Unless they PJ and SY are lying, of course. Redwood was still talking about the possibilities of dead and alive long after OG had began. Does the failure to uncover a body prove she's alive somewhere ? Maybe they would find a body if they found a killer or whoever buried it. I thought investigating a case at such great expense would cover far more than diggers.

    VT

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    VT, you try very, very hard to exonerate the McCanns but you forget (or deliberately ignore) the latest statement from the Portuguese Court -

    "Portuguese Supreme Court judges – who last week ruled against their final appeal over Amaral's 2008 book The Truth of the Lie – have said the lifting of their status as 'arguidos', or formal suspects, and the archiving of the criminal case into Maddie's disappearance did not mean they were innocent.

    The court issued its 76-page ruling on the McCanns' fight against a lower court's decision last April to reverse their 2015 libel win against the former detective.

    The couple were left facing a legal bill and the prospect of being sued by Amaral, who led the initial hunt for Madeleine when she vanished, after being told last Tuesday the Supreme Court had gone against them in a ruling which was not made fully public until Thursday."

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    You seem to flip flop from defending the McCanns in one post to throwing them under a bus in your next post, I don't think you know where your loyalty lies with the McCanns.

    Also don't forget that the PJ have jurisdiction over SY as the crime happened in Portugal.

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    1. I have no interest whatsoever in any libel cases here or abroad.I'm more interested in what happened to little Madeleine McCann, the dog's breakfast of an investigation that followed, and why there's so much finger pointing and accusations but nobody bringing a so much as a microbe of tangible evidence to the table.

      I don't exonerate, or try to, anyone. I try to keep things open as gossip and rumour get boring. I'm interested in invisible evidence, ignored evidence, hidden evidence -or why there's none at all. I'm interested in why so many of the mob have convinced themselves that so many policemen are beyond reproach and that the involvement of so many politicians and intelligence personnel is simply because the parents are guilty and must be protected at all costs( 12 million plus) because they're from the UKs middle classes.Like no prisons have ever housed the middle classes...

      I think you and the libel case fans should look at the judgement you cling to. It was made clear that Amaral had the right ( in Portugal) to put his thoughts, ideas, hypotheses and suspicions on paper as they were a literary work and not to be taken as carved-in-stone facts. Basically, until further notice, or the appearance of evidence or criminal charges, it's on the shelves as fiction, technically. So to hold up a work of fiction as evidence of fact is really self-defeating to the more discerning eye.

      VT

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    2. ''Also don't forget that the PJ have jurisdiction over SY as the crime happened in Portugal.''

      That stood for a day or two.Then there was a UK invasion.Then there were changes in staff.Then there were 'intelligence briefings'.All for an abduction committed by...

      VT

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    3. Nowhere in the final Judgment is Goncalo Amaral's book described as a work of fiction VT. You might consider it a work of fiction, and so might the McCanns, but no-one else does. It recounts the original Portuguese investigation to the letter, that's not fiction.

      As for your reference to 'the mob', that is just insulting. Just because people don't believe the unbelievable, does not make them part of a 'mob'.

      Both I and others have given you hundreds of valid and logical reasons as to why we do not believe Gerry and Kate. Mostly, the same reasons the PJ did not believe them.

      You might like to think you have a superior mind to the rest of us VT, but you really don't.

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    4. Ros 16:35 says
      "Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton3 November 2017 at 16:35

      Nowhere in the final Judgment is Goncalo Amaral's book described as a work of fiction VT. You might consider it a work of fiction, and so might the McCanns, but no-one else does. It recounts the original Portuguese investigation to the letter, that's not fiction."

      That is just a lie.

      It is a book of opinion and may mention the investigation.

      It is NOT a book of fact.

      Try reading it without blinkers.

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    5. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton3 November 2017 at 16:35

      ''Nowhere in the final Judgment is Goncalo Amaral's book described as a work of fiction VT.''

      The proviso was 'as a literary work' I believe.

      ''Both I and others have given you hundreds of valid and logical reasons as to why we do not believe Gerry and Kate. Mostly, the same reasons the PJ did not believe them. ''

      The opposing views give thousands too. There are plenty of people looking at the bigger picture as the smaller one has yielded nothing other than an online stream of thinking.As for the PJ not believing-I couldn't say.I'll take your word on that. I know Amaral doesn't believe them, that's on record. The PJ should act on their suspicions.The internet court is powerless.

      ''You might like to think you have a superior mind to the rest of us VT, but you really don't.''

      No idea whatsoever why you'd say that other than you didn't feel like your reply wouldnt be complete without a dig.That's unpleasant. I hoped you could be better than that.

      VT

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    6. Mostly, my psyche, ego, personality and philosophy are guided by my gentleman father VT, but on occasion, the irreverence of my straight talking mad mother slips in.

      You irritate me VT, and I feel we have reached a stage where we can say that. Not because you have been unable to present any kind of reasonable argument for the defence, (but go you, for still trying), but because your writings are so filled with anger and misunderstanding. I don't know if the misunderstanding is real - are you really that dumb? Or if you have a stake in the outcome.

      I suspect you may be Michael Wright. Cousin or whatever once, or twice removed or married into it. Unfortunately for you, you have tied your own fate, and that of your family in with your belief in the abduction.

      At some point you are going to have to accept that it hasn't worked. The abduction story is no longer viable, it's been 10 years, no sign of an abductor.and that's pretty integral to the abduction story.

      To be fair, I did wonder if I was being too mean VT, but then I remembered all the times you have said or implied that I am incapable of independent thought, I am a hater, or part of mob. On balance, I am in credit, still toying with you VT, like a cat with a mouse.

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    7. Ros 19:35

      You banned ziggy with a long explanation - you have never explained why you let ziggy "VT" back.

      Post count perhaps?

      Oh and you forgot to mention jayelles.

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    8. That's the problem with me 20:57, I very rarely reach that's it, you are banished forever stage.

      To be fair, he is the only (sermi) erudite McCann supporter who posts here, which leaves me torn, because I don't want a one sided debate.

      Post count doesn't particularly bother me 20:57, though I still get a thrill that so many take the time and trouble to share their thoughts, even yours 20:57.

      Jayelles is a bit of a blast from the past, but there is a blog about her somewhere on here. It involved a lot of cats, iirc :)

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  42. @ Anonymous 1 November 17:28

    You wrote: "Insightful stuff. This is an area that I've suspected is crucial to many a 'puzzle' that lay hidden inside the mystery. It presents a picture of the deep understanding and bond that hold the media and the politicians together.It's very much a one-for-all, all-for-one oath".

    How very true this is. Look at the effortless transition that Clarence Mitchell made from being first Blair's, then Brown's 'spinmeister-in-chief' for the McCanns, only to pop up later as Assistant Director of the Tories' General Election campaign in early 2010 - followed by being a Tory candidate!

    To complete the picture...1. Mitchell, when working for Cameron, was assistant to Andy Coulson, who was the former Editor of the News of the World, and as we now know the long-term lover of Rebekah Brooks...and 2. Was it not on Rupert Murdoch's yacht in the Mediterranean that Cameron met him in 2009 and made that famous deal: "You win the General Election for me in your newspapers, then I will give you BSkyB after I get in". And so it came to pass.

    They all know EXACTLY what happened to Madeleine McCann and so do those running Operation Grange. Of course the junior footsoldiers aren't in on the deception, the Det Constables and Det Sergeants, they just do the menial jobs like counting documents and examining mobile 'phone records, but they're not told the 'big secret'.

    The revelations re Weinstein and, currently, of goings-on at 'Pestminster' are causing some major heads to roll. The Defence Minister is out; Kevin Spacey is 'in treatment'. A wind of change is under way.

    The fall of the British establishment who have covered up the reason for Madeleine's death will, however, be like a 5-star hurricane compared with what's going on at the moment.

    Bring it on

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      Anonymous2 November 2017 at 14:53

      Possibly the best post I've seen on this blog for a long time.If not, ever.

      VT

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    2. @ VT 12:34

      If you genuinely believe that the comment you referred to is "Possibly the best post I've seen on this blog for a long time.If not, ever." then you need to take a break.

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    3. Clarence is as he is 14:53, a spin doctor from the dark ages. His karma has arrived, he has been replaced by younger more appealing and more innovative spin doctors, that make him, like the McCanns, yesterday's news.

      As for Rupert Murdoch, Rebekkah Brooks and the Chipping Norton set. The machinations of the elite and the intelligentsia have gone on for hundreds, if not thousands of years. We know more now, because we have access to more information than we ever have before.

      Crucially however 14:53, neither Clarence, Blair or the Chipping Norton set, were in PDL on the night of 3rd May 2007. I don't think they do know what happened to Madeleine, but they knew how to make the story advantageous for themselves, both politically and financially.

      The involvement of police, politicians, media moguls etc, is of course secondary to the disappearance of Madeleine. How and why she disappeared is number one domino. All the rest will tumble thereafter.

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  43. Since in the past you have been kind enough to host comments to Blacksmith's bureau, can anyone offer up an explanation to:

    ''It's...
    ...all done. Goncalo Amaral is safe and the facts are now clear to see. The law can say the rest. ''

    posted today.

    Is there something apart from a .25% rise in base rate, that I've missed ?

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    1. Anon 2 Nov 16.28

      Could it mean that the McCanns' appeal to the European Court of Human Rights has been turned down, therefore GA has come through his horrendous ordeal and the McCanns can't take their vindictiveness towards him any further. i.e. they've lost.

      I really do hope so, although why Blacksmith should know is anyone's guess, unless he has friends in Portugal.

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    2. All done means 2 previous blogs have been deleted.
      Amaral is safe because its now McCanns v Portugal.
      "The law can say the rest" is the current investigations.
      That's my take on it.

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    3. @ Anonymous2 November 2017 at 21:01

      oh has blacksmith been deleting yet again!

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    4. He deleted the last to which were almost there and put up its done. It couldn't have anything to do ECHR as that was no threat to GA. I think we are close to the end game

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    5. Maybe blacksmith will turn up soon to swear at people here, accuse them of having a disability for not understanding his latest blog and call them thickos.

      It seems to have been his style recently.

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    6. Ooh how exciting, I didn't know anything about this. JB does however, have contacts that I don't have, so there is good chance he has heard something! I think we should all keep a close watch on his blog!

      I don't think the McCanns' appeal to the ECHR has ever had a chance of success, so it is possible it has fallen at the first hurdle. It is/was a face saving exercise, it would choke Gerry and Kate to accept that GA had beaten them.

      Their world must now be collapsing, yet still they cannot let go of their hatred for GA, it is bizarre and it has been their downfall.

      I have still not seen any figures as to what their final legal bill in Portugal is, but it can't be anything other than crippling. 4 teams of lawyers X 9 years. Unless these two doctors, who needed the Fund for mortgage payments whilst in PDL, have hidden assets, they are broke!

      Rightly or wrongly, I have a soft spot for Blacksmith, and I quite like him being, err, forthright! I have followed him for many years, and to be fair, he has been a bit of a beacon to look up to while negotiating my way through the mud, blood, muck and mire.

      I wouldn't dream of attempting to censor him in any way - on the contrary, I feel privileged that he reads and posts here.

      Unfortunately, 09:47 some people post as 'thickos' and I of course, as a tree hugging (aging) hippychick, who sees the potential in everyone, am reluctant to point it out.

      I speak often of my beloved parents, my mum, not so much, because, to be fair, she was completely barmy. Why I love Charlie Chaplin - he too had a mad mother.

      Amid the advice given to me by said crazy woman (off to find Honkytonk Angels on YouTube), were the memorable words, 'there are some people in this life Linda, who only understand two words - feck off'. I was probably overthinking, or trying to find 'kind' explanations for someone's behaviour. I have to say however, on the few occasions in my life where only the words 'feck off' will do, I have felt a huge whoosh of liberation. So Cheers Mum!

      So 09:47, I could go into a great deal of detail about why I don't care that the word 'thicko' as used by the legend Blacksmith, traumatises you, and trust me, it will end with one or both of us needing therapy, but I'll just go with 'feck off'.

      Ps. As my regular readers can probably tell, I have hit the bottle! Hold onto your hats - its going to be a rocky night!

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  44. Some of blacksmith's blog is on the wayback machine

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170501000000*/http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/

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    1. 09:59

      Must be a mistake, surely? (lol)

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  45. Looking back at the previous comments there is talk about Madeleine dying earlier in the week and PeterMac suggesting that she fell down the back of the sofa, banged her head on the tiled floor and her blood went under the tiles.

    But would that lead to blood splatter up the walls either side of the curtains, on the curtains and on the back of the sofa. To have blood splatter covering such a wide area it would mean that an artery would have to have been severed, or a tracheotomy to have been performed to make that much blood spurt all over the walls.

    Also if GM performed the tracheotomy his clothes would have been covered in blood, hence his clothes not showing any sign of cadaver, if he got rid of them but Kate having no part of the tracheotomy only got to hold Madeleine after she had died (with no blood flow), hence the cadaver odour on her clothes and not GMs.

    Just a thought as to why GM is squeaky clean but not KM.

    Before anyone asks about proof of blood spatter, here again for the umpteenth time is the link to the PJ's files -

    http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BLOOD.htm

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    1. @ anon 15:33

      You say: "Before anyone asks about proof of blood spatter, here again for the umpteenth time is the link to the PJ's file"
      --------------------------------------

      I could use words more appropriate to blacksmith but I will desist and just says:

      The document that you refer to is titled: "OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS FORENSIC BLOOD SPOT TRACES" - note the absence of blood splatter.

      The document you refer to, apart from the title, only refers to BLOOD once when it says "the floor tiles where the dogs used in the activity indicated [alerted to] the possible existence of blood traces along with the position of a cadaver in that location."

      If Ros publishes anymore posts from you saying there was " blood splatter up the walls either side of the curtains, on the curtains and on the back of the sofa. To have blood splatter covering such a wide area it would mean that an artery would have to have been severed, or a tracheotomy to have been performed to make that much blood spurt all over the walls." I will report Ros to every single authority I can to have this blog closed down and for Ros to be taken to court.

      You destroy the principle of free speech by repeating a lie. Ros, for some reason only known to herself - allows it and is totally responsible for it.

      This post has been saved in case it goes to the now famous spam box.

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    2. Omg I thought team McCann had given up intimidating and threatening people. Look at the pictures in the files what does that show you

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    3. well said.
      perhaps anon needs to research the results...before spouting blood spatters


      did pamalam decide on the title "forensic blood spot traces"??

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    4. I read that Madeleine could have had an anaphylatic shock due to a sedative injection, collapsed behind the sofa and the blood splatter, sorry spots was due to an attempt at CPR. It is known that when CPR is given to a dying or dead person, air along with body fluids and blood can be expelled from the lungs, causing a fine blood spray.

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    5. Really? You will have me closed down and taken to Court? What for 20:38? Quoting Mark Zuckerberg, this is what open debate looks like.

      You are no doubt jumping up and down with glee and singing 'gotcha', but don't get too overexcited. After Brenda Leyland, how much public support do you think there will be for your latest personal vendetta?

      Nobody wants your book burning and censorship here 20:38, go sling your hook.

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    6. OMG back to the days of 3a..

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  46. Ros declares: "Ps. As my regular readers can probably tell, I have hit the bottle! Hold onto your hats - its going to be a rocky night!"

    Your regular readers know you have never stopped hitting the bottle - it was you that was in denial.

    To use blacksmith words and your own

    fecking piss artist.

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    1. Actually, I very rarely drink 21:04 - I stopped completely about 5 or 6 years ago. It wasn't a big deal, I didn't go into rehab or anything like that, I simply went off it.

      My favourite tipple these days is Green tea, to which I add milk and one sugar lump. Not the correct way to drink green tea, but it works for me.

      Once in a blue moon however, I do enjoy a glass or two of wine, which I turn into a 'long' drink by adding ice cubes and water. Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, my tolerance to alcohol is ridiculously low. During the course of glass one, I get witty, bitchy and giggly and by glass two I'm listening to Patsy Cline and Elvis and singing along before I conk out - all under an hour. It's quite vexing as I used to be quite the party gal in my heyday. But I'm happy to 'gracefully surrender the things of youth'*. However, the 'party gal' still lurks beneath, and puts in an appearance now and again.

      Calling me a fecking piss artist, might make you feel superior for a moment 21:04, but if my blog were the incoherent ramblings of a piss artist, it wouldn't have the audience it has and it wouldn't be seen as a threat by you.

      And so, my sanctimonious non chilled friend, your disapproval bothers me not one jot, and to all those piss artists and stoners out there, party on!

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  47. I was pissed M'Lud

    has never worked.

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  48. ''Their world must now be collapsing, yet still they cannot let go of their hatred for GA, it is bizarre and it has been their downfall. ''

    If anyone ever studied psychology, the McCanns are a classic example for material.

    Their behaviour is bizarre, nothing quite fits. But the use of Mental Mechanisms - the way the psyche protects the ego, are classic

    PROJECTION ^^ above is your classic, not our fault HIS (that is GA)

    INTELLECTUALZATION oh!! that flow chart, the wider agenda

    RATIONALIZATION within the bounds of responsible parenting

    Over the ten years, the saga shows all the classic use of salving the conscience.

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  49. DENOUEMENT
    So we now reach the final act of the great conspiracy wrapped up in the UK establishment cover up. The McCanns have lost all of the court battles denying freedom of speech to Detective Amaral in both Portugal and Europe. Carter Ruck and their £500k of super injunctions infamy are really rucked off the planet. Even Scotland yard’s operation strange grange has been exposed as a £12m sham investigating the abduction that never was. The internet, blogs such as this and social media have lifted the manipulated media PR spin near veil from the eyes of the world.
    There really can’t be any money left to pay for all of this Ziggy, VT and the other manipulators, so pack your bags and make sure you have a good back story in place and no, mere pawns don’t survive, so listen out for endex. Love Cammerigal

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  50. "Look at the pictures in the files what does that show you"

    Marks, as they are referred to in the files.

    Unless the cleaners scrubbed the walls after each renter these marks could be pre or post McCann.

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