Sunday 11 March 2018

MORE SMOKE AND MIRRORS


Even after 11 years, the smoke and mirrors continue and no-one is any the wiser than we were 6 or was it 7, years ago when the British police set up a task force to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  Their objective 'to investigate.....  as if the abduction had occurred in the UK'. The chant of all those who are firmly convinced that Operation Grange are covering up - for whoever. 
 
I personally don't hold that any words are carved in stone, language like life is fluid, it changes constantly.  Circumstances change, new information comes to light.  Conspiracy theorists unfortunately, have a tendency to ignore that which is directly in front of their faces.  They continue to look deranged rather than admit they might be wrong.  Realistically, what could a British police force do in Portugal, that the PJ couldn't? Particularly with all the language and cultural barriers?  The only reason for a British task force, would be if British citizens were involved.
 
But let's get back to the continuing Smoke and Mirrors.  Last week another McCann related story appeared in The Sun.  Using Kate's 50th birthday, it was reminder of the McCanns' plight. They are down to their last £750k, but set to continue their own search when Operation Grange closes.  A 'pal' told the Sun about Kate's sadness, and other pals volunteered that they were going to try and bolster her spirits. Clarence Mitchell said the parents are extremely grateful to the police for all they have done and are doing in the continuing Search. 
 
All very pedestrian, nothing new here, move along folks nothing to see.  Except.  Gerry and Kate are not the only victims of tragic events, each of whom go through sorrowful anniversaries, milestones and Mothers Days.  Why are they not asked how they feel, or how they are getting on?  And would they want to be? I suspect not.
 
So what was the reason for squeezing a story out the Madeleine case, yet again?  Was it planted by Team McCann?  It's looking that way, 'a pal', 'pals' finishing with CM.  It's unlikely journalists worldwide kept a note of Kate's birthday in their diaries.  I'm sure they have to scrape many barrels while scratching around for a story, but I doubt birthday lists are included.  The Sun of course, didn't have to go with the non story, and that they did suggests it is in their interests to keep Madeleine's parents in the public eye. 
 
The article is intended to garner sympathy for the parents who are going to give the money Kate earned on her book to the Fund. Again, it would seem, as the book carried stickers saying that's exactly where the royalties were going.  Regardless.  If they have £750k available for the Search, why not give it to Operation Grange so they can continue? 
 
I know Clarence says the McCanns are extremely grateful, but I don't sense any enthusiasm there.  In fact I get the distinct impression that the McCanns and Operation Grange have reached different conclusions. Gerry and Kate seem resigned to the fact that OG appear to believe Madeleine is no longer alive.  They, on the other hand, plan to continue their search.  All of which begs the question, if OG are 'covering up' on behalf of Gerry and Kate, why are they not singing in harmony?
 
I've always wondered, given the McCanns' complaining of media intrusion, and the nasty things being said about them online, why they continue to keep themselves in the news.  They, more than anyone, should know when they issue a press release there will be a backlash.  I don't wish to be too harsh, but the definition of stupid, is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Even rats in a laboratory learn to stop pushing the button that electrocutes them.  They still employ Clarence? Why?  11 years on, can't they speak to the media and the public directly? It's not as if CM has any great powers of persuasion, even in the early days he was described as 'lying with as many teeth as he has in his head', though sadly I can't at the moment remember who said it.  
 
Clarence effectively said nothing.  He's no Sarah 'not that I aware of' Sanders or Anthony 'let me give you the lowdown' Scaramucci. 'The McCanns are extremely grateful' could have been said by any of the pals who gave quotes for this story, at zero cost.  It's literally one step up from 'no comment'.  They could even have said it themselves.  CM is what remains of a crumbling protective wall.  For me, this protective wall is worrying.  Weird, but worrying.  They seem to believe everyone is out to get them, and that's an unhappy way to be.  Far more than reality suggests.  In Court they claimed they had received threats on social media, but couldn't produce any.  There are no angry mobs out there.  The angry mob leader wanna be, Tony Bennett, has little if no support outside a handful of certifiable sidekicks who are too afraid to reveal their names.
 
The only thing that stops the McCanns communicating is the McCanns themselves.  True, it is horrible to be ripped to shreds online, but not so much that it dictates how you live and prevents you from defending yourself.  Major and minor celebrities are torn to pieces daily.  I once had a 'pro' website spend days/months discussing whether I wore a  wig and they did in fact call me Wiggy.  Far from being traumatised by the discussion (they were hoping it was cancer) I found it hilarious.  I have a lush head full of 'paddy hair', one of my blessings.  Even when my world collapses, my hair always looks amazing!  It's one of my 'constants', and something I hope someone will carve on my tombstone.  'Always had great hair'.  'Also a writer',

Gerry at one time considered himself a man of many eloquent words, and Kate is the author of a book, it must irk enormously that they are not able to defend themselves online.  I suspect the real reason is, there are just too many awkward questions awaiting them.  Even with all the interviews they have given, they have never expanded on their original statements. They haven't veered off onto other memories from the holiday, or any anecdotes or trivial incidents.  Instead they issue statements via a spokesman or pals, the same MO they used when Madeleine first went missing and they were under Judicial Secrecy.  At that time they were putting out negative stories about the Portuguese police via their friends and family, thus getting round the JS.

At one time I would have said every press release issued by Team McCann had an objective.  TM would probably say to raise awareness, as in Madeleine is still missing.    Fair enough.  But basically they are nothing burgers (apologies, lol, presently hooked on US politics), they are not passionate enough to stir up emotions, nor strong enough to convince anyone of anything.  The parents are giving a tepid response to the ending of the official search for their daughter.  And perhaps a sign that OG haven't given them what they wanted.  And they haven't, their daughter is still missing.  Maybe the talk of using the account hopping £750k to continue their search is bravado, but it also says they are not going to accept the conclusions of OG.  






180 comments:

  1. '''Conspiracy theorists unfortunately, have a tendency to ignore that which is directly in front of their faces''

    How very mainstream.Place a group in a single category and dismiss them without giving any details of which branch is being dismissed or why.
    '' Realistically, what could a British police force do in Portugal, that the PJ couldn't? ''

    Exactly what conspiracy theorists thought they could do - nothing. And...guess what...

    ''Last week another McCann related story appeared in The Sun. ''

    Yes, let's laugh at 'deranged' conspiracy theorists who believe officialdom and the establishment are inherently rotten to the core and turn to the tabloid rag of all tabloid rags, The Sun. We'll forget the usual contempt you show for the MSM as this is suiting your current 'angle' .

    '' Gerry and Kate are not the only victims of tragic events, each of whom go through sorrowful anniversaries, milestones and Mothers Days.''

    That's very perceptive. I think they make the papers due to some event in Portugal years ago. It's hardly favouritism.

    ''Why are they not asked how they feel, or how they are getting on? And would they want to be? I suspect not.''

    Who said they aren't asked those things ? Do you think their respective families and their friends don't ask ? Or does it only count if it's made public for the masses to gnaw on and cast doubts about their feelings ?

    ''So what was the reason for squeezing a story out the Madeleine case, yet again? ''

    Money. Sales.

    ''If they have £750k available for the Search, why not give it to Operation Grange so they can continue? ''

    OG can't accept money from the public for private work.They serve the public.

    ''I know Clarence says the McCanns are extremely grateful, but I don't sense any enthusiasm there''

    You choose not to.

    '' Gerry and Kate seem resigned to the fact that OG appear to believe Madeleine is no longer alive. They, on the other hand, plan to continue their search.''

    It's understandable to fear the worst.It's normal to never want to give up hope for your child. Why won't you grasp that ?

    ''if OG are 'covering up' on behalf of Gerry and Kate, why are they not singing in harmony?''

    Because they could just as easily, and more likely, be covering up for someone else either knowingly or unknowingly.Not the McCanns.

    '' I don't wish to be too harsh, but the definition of stupid, is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result''

    With a keyboard by tens of thousands.

    ''In Court they claimed they had received threats on social media, but couldn't produce any''

    See previous thread about arrests made. Yes, you say threats= jokes and the guns were starting pistols. Powerful counters.The arrests and charges weren't imaginary.

    ''Tony Bennett, has little if no support outside a handful of certifiable sidekicks who are too afraid to reveal their names.''

    Was that your thinking before you were banned from his forum ?

    ''True, it is horrible to be ripped to shreds online.... Major and minor celebrities are torn to pieces daily. ''

    After having their child taken never to be returned ? Then suffering threats to the family because no evidence can incriminate them ?

    ''it must irk enormously that they are not able to defend themselves online. ''

    Beyond libeleous posts and nutters i doubt they care.

    ''they are not passionate enough to stir up emotions, nor strong enough to convince anyone of anything. ''

    How do you explain your appetite and the dedication to trying to garner support online to incriminate them and discuss every minute detail about them which you mainly take from your own imagination ?They don't need to convince anyone of anything.Those who accuse do.

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    1. 19:52

      "They don't need to convince anyone of anything."

      The McCanns don't agree with you.

      23 September 2009

      "The parents of missing girl Madeleine McCann returned to Portugal today to launch a fresh charm offensive aimed at convincing sceptical locals that there is still hope of finding her alive.

      The day-long trip, which was also used to finalise plans to sue the former police detective Gonçalo Amaral, who has been openly suspicious of the couple, was the first time Madeleine's mother, Kate McCann, had returned to the country since being named as suspect in her disappearance in May 2007.

      The McCanns met lawyers and legal advisers before holding a briefing with local journalists where Kate said it was crucial that they had the support of the Portuguese people."

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/sep/23/kate-madeleine-mccann-portugal

      Charm offensive?

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    2. "They don't have to convince anyone of anything"

      Makes you wonder why they paid Public Relations guru, Lord Tim Bell, half a million pounds to keep positive stories about them on the front pages then.

      For folk who "don't need to convince anyone of anything" they sure have spent a shed load of money doing just that.

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    3. Returning to PDl was a choice not a need. The only need involved legal talks about the fool Amaral.

      The PR campaign on the front pages was to keep the case and, in particular, Madeleine's face in the front of people's minds.The chances of finding a missing child are greater the earlier it is in the investigation. There was nothing else to they had to convince anyone of with or without PR gurus sent by Whitehall. Apart from being suspects for a short time their status has been well known ; innocent until proven guilty.

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    4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo88S2cMtNo

      0:36

      Kate McCann:

      "Every time we come here we have to make arrangements for our children to be looked after, we have to book flights, we have to book hotels, we have to take time off work to come here."

      The irony.

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    5. Anonymous 11 March 2018 at 19:52

      “I think they make the papers due to some event in Portugal years ago.”

      ‘They’ do indeed, don’t they?… Unlike the ”never to be returned” child, allegedly abducted due to their appalling negligence which they deny.

      “Because they could just as easily, and more likely, be covering up for someone else either knowingly or unknowingly.Not the McCanns.”

      Perhaps… While the educated, “intelligent and erudite [whatever ‘erudite’ means when use to describe G & K]” McCanns know nothing of what you have been suggesting may have been the case?

      “After having their child taken never to be returned ?”

      “…taken…”

      You don’t know that, do you? You sound as if you do.

      “…never…”?

      Peace.

      T

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    6. Anonymous 12 March 2018 at 14:48

      “The irony.”

      Indeed.

      T

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    7. Hello Anon 11 March 2018 at 19:52

      ”After having their child taken never to be returned ? Then suffering threats to the family because no evidence can incriminate them?”

      Maybe you should have added, that there isn’t the slightest evidence of a stranger abduction and that there’s only been three official suspects in the case, one of whom was falsely accused by the friends of the other two.

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  2. Thanks Ros

    technology has passed me by!

    Bjorn is entitled to his opinion its good to hear different views.
    BUT he supported in his view that the Mccanns were involved in the Brenda Leyland dossier by none other that S.Y commissioner Hogan Howe
    The dossier came from the McCann family states Sir Bernard

    audioboom.com/boos/2544211 Listen before its deleted.

    No matter how hard the idiots try the truth will come out its early days compared to Hillsborough.

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    1. JJ 11 March 2018 at 19:59

      Thanks for the link, JJ.

      T

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    2. @JJ11 March 2018 at 19:59
      HI JJ
      and I thank you for the link as well

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    3. @JJ11 March 2018 at 19:59
      Hello again JJ
      and
      to whom it may concern

      ”Bernard Hogan Howe confirms it was the McCann's who gave police the dossier. He also mentions murder in ref to Madeleine but corrects himself”

      I’ve now listened to the interview. No-one, who does so can no longer doubt that, firstly the McCann handed the death dossier to the police, secondly, Brenda Leyland was their main target, as Sir Bernard speaks about THE PERSON who had been trolling lived in the area/district or whatever, where the Leicestershire Police is operating/has the responsibility. Unscrupulous witch-hunt, I would say.

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  3. The McCanns have always been, 'unaccountable' for any false information fed to the press.

    It is always someone else who presents the narrative on their behalf.

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    1. True.Someone else being a former servant of the Labour Party then Tory Party. basically someone who had made a comfortable living spinning for liars. Why would such a man be chosen do you think ? I'm sure it's purely coincidental that Madeleine's disappearance panicked Blair, Brown and Cameron. Why though, if they knew the parents were responsible. It would have been quicker, cheaper and damage - free to let the police go ahead and do their thing.Maybe doing their thing would have revealed something neither party could risk.It would explain a lot.

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    2. Anonymous 11.3, 20:55

      "It is always someone else who presents the narrative on their behalf."

      Except when GM accepted responsibility for mobilizing diplomacy and the media.

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  4. "Kate and Gerry McCann have contacted the police after being subjected to threats from vile Twitter and Facebook trolls.
    Shockingly, many of the 80 messages posted on various social media platforms called for the parents of missing Madeleine McCann to be tortured or killed.
    Even more alarmingly, some of the threats were even aimed at the McCann’s two remaining children.
    One of the tweets read: “These 2 [the McCanns] should burn in hell."
    Other trolls wrote: "I hope that the McCanns are living in total misery" and "I want to see them smashed up the back of a bus or trampled by horses".
    The McCanns reported the abuse to police after threats were directed at their young children.

    A dossier containing the messages was also provided to the police by campaigners supporting the McCanns and their search for missing daughter Maddie."

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    1. Why weren't these 80 messages referred to in their claim against GA? If the messages were as shocking as you claim, why were there no arrests?

      I think it is a new low for you btw, to claim threats were made to the children. Nobody, even in anti land would do that, and again there is no evidence of it.

      If those who compiled the dossier think their cause was noble and they were just protecting a grieving family, why didn't they put their names to it? And why did they take it offline after Brenda committed suicide?

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    2. @ Ros 07:19
      "I think it is a new low for you btw, to claim threats were made to the children."
      ----------------------------------

      Did you notice the quotation marks Ros - they are not my words. I did not pass comment about the accuracy of the report or not.

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    3. ''And why did they take it offline after Brenda committed suicide?''

      My guess is that a combination of factors influenced that decision.Firstly, respect for Brenda's family and friends; secondly the insane backlash from online nutcases who were spitting bile around trying to use the tragedy to suit their little nightmare scenarios about the parents.Why feed that kind of garbage and make it grow ?They already have far too much to say

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    4. Anonymous 12 March at 13:25

      "...insane backlash from online nutcases?" You put the blame where it doesn't belong.

      'He [Ben Leyland] had “no doubt” from the panic in his mother’s voice when she telephoned to tell him of the Sky News incident that “this was the final straw that pushed her then to do what she did”.

      He said his mother was “completely destroyed” by what had occurred. He was trying to organise legal advice for her, he said. In her last email to him, she said she felt “cheerier”.

      When later he could not reach her, he and his brother and father thought she had gone somewhere to “lie low” as she had asked a neighbour to look after her cat for a few days.'

      https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/mar/20/sky-news-mccann-brenda-leyland

      What would have happened once legal advice has been requested? Sadly, we will never know; it didn't get the chance.

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    5. Hi Anon12 March 2018 at 13:25

      "And why did they take it offline after Brenda committed suicide?"

      "My guess is that a combination of factors influenced that decision. Firstly, respect for Brenda's family and friends"

      You must be joking.

      The police/the McCanns took the dossier offline, because there was nothing in it that could incriminate Brenda Leyland. Thus, nothing that could lead to a prosecution. If the Met/Leicestershire Police or the McCanns had wished to show their respect to Brenda Leyland and to her family, they could have apologised, but they didn't, and they still haven't.



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  5. "EN - Tell me about that file that was handed to you re. the McCanns, you know, concerned individuals and certainly that storie's been in the headlines with tragic consequences...yesterday. A file handed to you? Are you looking at it at the minute?

    BHH - no what happened, well first of all, you may have seen over the last 10 days we've launched a cyber crime unit, about 500 officers. Thats really intended to target people who steal things, not necessarily bullying , I think that's going to be a real challange to us in the future just in terms of volume.

    But in terms of that file, what happened if you recall was that the family handed to our team that are investigating the, or reviewing the murder of...of sorry, reviewing the missing girl. errr the McCann daughter. The file was handed to that team and we were liasing with Leicestershire police which is where the McCann family live....."

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  6. If a member of your family, along with their partner, were being harassed,stalked,abused and threatened, along with their children, wouldn't you and the rest of your family compile a dossier of it to present to the police ? Normal people would. I don't see why so many are outraged by that notion unless they have some kind of learning disability.

    Is the Hillsborough comparison in the least bit a good one ? Tens of thousands of witnesses at the scene of crime- how many in PDL ? CCTV all over and around the stadium-how many in PDL ? Millions of witnesses watching the horror unfold on TV- how many watched the event at PDL ? There's a long list of reasons why the truth came out about Hillsborough and the conspiracy that was revealed between a PM, her cabinet, her media connections,high ranking and some lower ranking police officers.There's a long list of reasons why none of that can happen in the McCann case.The 'idiots' you refer too have spotted that.There is nothing that can change this truth. It would have by now. Unless a shock witness appears to say he was up a nearby tree with a CCTV and is prepared to show us the footage there's no reason to expect anything more than what we've had in eleven barren years. The crime was committed and the culprit was magically made invisible by an army of experts. They know it. The 'smoke and mirrors' has been to misdirect everyone watching. And that includes the parents if the complete lack of credible evidence to charge them of anything is to be believed. Who believes, hand on heart, that they will ever be arrested. Real world now, not amateur online detective or budding novelist BS..real world, real time..and how, if they do believe it, do they think that will come about after all this time.

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    1. If the McCanns and their family were "being harassed stalked, abused and threatened, along with their children" I think the police would be involved pretty sharpish and put a stop to it. No need for any dossier. I do agree that the McCanns will never be arrested (hope I'm wrong) although the evidence against them is overwhelming IMO

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    2. ruth bashford 14 March 2018 at 09:19

      “If the McCanns and their family were "being harassed stalked, abused and threatened, along with their children" I think the police would be involved pretty sharpish and put a stop to it. No need for any dossier.”

      I think you are right.

      T

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    3. @ ruth bashford14 March 2018 at 09:19

      Evidence of what?

      Maybe you could supply a list/details of the "overwhelming evidence" against the Mccanns?

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  7. Hi Rosalinda,
    I think you are right about Operation Grange in that the Portuguese police need English police help in their investigation. The PJ, as you have said before, would be pretty well floored by the nuances and regional accents of the English.
    Trying to investigate in Britain with the possibility of telephone tapping to boot. That would be out of the question for them.

    In Portugal, language didn't matter much as Kate never answered the questions anyway.

    One has to hope that the paltry sum given to Grange is being put to some good compared to the earlier eleven million pounds spent by Scotland Yard looking for an "Abductor". The commitment announced by successive police chiefs who handled the case.

    The parents were not to be investigated.

    The Tapas seven were mostly doctors too. The profile of the high and mighty was impossible to dent.

    And lastly, have doctors ever covered anything up? ...Can't think of any offhand.
    Exceptions might be - Crippen, Josef Mengele, and John Bodkin Adams. But that was serious stuff a long time ago.
    jc

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    1. "Aanning's essay described the typically close bond between physicians who work together — a bond so close that violating it is often tantamount to career suicide. He argued that testimony from physicians' colleagues should never be considered reliable in court, because, as he put it, "[they] have essentially sworn an oath of loyalty to each other."

      https://web.archive.org/web/20170124170409/https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/873755

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    2. Anonymous 12.3, 06:14

      "...have doctors ever covered anything up? ...Can't think of any offhand.

      "Exceptions might be - Crippen, Josef Mengele, and John Bodkin Adams. But that was serious stuff a long time ago."

      Offhand...Buck Ruxton, Harold Shipman...? Serious stuff not quite so long ago.

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    3. Shipman didn't cover anything up. He was just a nutter who was caught too late. Crippen wasn't a real doctor.

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    4. And let's not forget 'Nurse' Beverly Allitt.

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    5. Anonymous 12.3, 14:19

      "Shipman didn't cover anything up."

      Only the cause of death. Merely a clerical error.

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    6. Anonymous 12 March 2018 at 18:45

      :-)

      T

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    7. Nurse Ratched wasn't very nice either

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    8. Nurse Ratched is now at the retirement home MMM hiding from Bennett's wrath,for some reason.

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  8. Anonymous 12 March 2018 at 07:27

    Thank you for the link.

    Stepping back in time:

    “…if I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend I hope I should have the guts to betray my country. Such a choice may scandalize the modern reader, and he may stretch out his patriotic hand to the telephone at once and ring up the police. It would not have shocked Dante, though. Dante places Brutus and Cassius in the lowest circle of Hell because they had chosen to betray their friend Julius Caesar rather than their country Rome.”
    E M Forster [Not a 16th century poet btw], ‘What I Believe’, 1938 http://spichtinger.net/otexts/believe.html

    Also (apparently somewhat misquoted) on p IX of Ben Macintyre’s ‘A Spy Among Friends. Kim Philby and The Great Betrayal’
    ISBN 978-1-4088-6192-9

    Respect.

    T

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    1. Hello T (07:27)

      Thank you for your link. NL

      “For what is life but a play in which everyone acts a part until the curtain comes down?” ― Desiderius Erasmus

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    2. Correction T, I meant your link 12 March at 11:10

      Kind regards,

      NL

      "The moral of which is that I must, myself, be as reliable as possible, and this I try to be." - E.M. Forster

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    3. Anonymous 12 March 2018 at 22:43, 13 March 2018 at 08:10

      Not at all. Thanks, NL.

      Erasmus - Via Media
      Buddhism – Middle Way


      https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/474588/why-empathy-is-a-bad-thing/


      “If I want to do terrible things to a group, one tried-and-true way is to arouse empathy for victims of that group,” Dr. Bloom said in an interview. “Often the argument for war is rooted in empathy for victims of the enemy.”
      https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/03/is-empathy-essential-for-political-leaders/474705/

      Best wishes.

      T

      PS Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands and King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden are descendants of Diego Velázquez, as is, it seems, our Ziggmund.:) Yourself? Björn? https://uploads2.wikiart.org/images/diego-velazquez/self-portrait-2.jpg!Large.jpg

      https://www.wikiart.org/en/diego-velazquez/the-rokeby-venus-1648
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rokeby_Venus
      “Slashing the Rokeby Venus” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Richardson

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    4. Elizabeth Windsor
      ‏@Queen_UK

      Ex-Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands on the phone. Not sure if she said she'd bought a retirement home in Spain or bought Spain. Bad line.

      https://twitter.com/Queen_UK/status/329178482611458048

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  9. "Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton11 March 2018 at 20:39
    Actually it is a delight for me to find a stranger in a foreign land who views the world in much the same way as I. Ever since I was a small child I have gazed in awe and wonder at other cultures and other societies. I am always interested in other views, the more diverse the better. I'm very much enjoying learning about Swedish and Swedish culture, aren't you?"

    Yes we remember your Stockholm syndrome blog.

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    1. Unknown 12:23

      "we"?

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    2. @ Anonymous12 March 2018 at 14:53

      Yes "we" - it is a collective term for people who read this blog - is that difficult for you to understand?

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    3. @ Anonymous12 March 2018 at 14:53

      "we" - yes Team Mccann.

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    4. ooo yes...we team mccann..has to be lol

      Brevity is the soul of wit as the saying goes. That Stockholm line was delivered with the precision of an assassin's bullet . Accurate, timed perfectly and deadly.Well done that jackal.

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    5. @18:53, 19:21

      And it has taken 28min to compose an answer in two sentences?

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    6. 18:53, 19:21

      So, two Unknowns are Team McCann, people who read this blog. Interesting.


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    7. my, my..the plot thins...

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    8. Confusion is good - didn't you know?

      (maybe there are three of me now)

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    9. @ Anonymous12 March 2018 at 21:43

      Maybe you should try counting "Anonymous" and report back with your answer.

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    10. @ Hello Unknown12 March 2018 at 23:04

      Sorry Unknown,
      but I don't think that you actually know what the Stockholm Syndrome is all about and what can happen to people in an isolated group with one or two strong leaders like the situation was in the tapas 7/8 group, when the whole group felt as if they all were under the pressure of the Portuguese Police.

      I suggest you look it up on the internet and that you at least try to understand the psychological mechanisms, which sometimes make people take irrational decisions and even sympathise with those who threaten them.




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    11. Bjorn

      There is absolutely no similarity between Stockholm Syndrome and the Tapas scenario. Literally none.

      I don't know why you keep pushing this; it is a theory which is utterly devoid of any merit

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    12. @ Björn

      I've just read a book about Stockholm Syndrome, it started off badly but by the end I really liked it.

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    13. @ anon, 19.04

      That made me laugh

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    14. Unknown 12 March 2018 at 19:21

      “"we" - yes Team Mcc(sic)ann.”

      Aesopian incongruent pairing perhaps? Or are you daydreaming?

      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1563938/Madeleine-McCann-police-chief-breaks-silence.html (Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 12:15 http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/more-smoke-and-mirrors.html?showComment=1521029718831#c7276800201883943830 ) :

      “For months the McCanns have been angered by snide suggestions that their PR machine, dubbed Team McCann — a term they hate — is too slick.”

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      That made me laugh
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      Credit goes to Ken Dodd - RIP.

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  10. Let's see where we are already.

    The dossier was a sinister plan compiled by the family of the McCanns intended to make an example of someone or some people intent on making life miserable for the McCann parents. The pain suffered over the loss of the daughter wasn't enough for those with internet connections and a disturbing need to spit their demons somewhere.So, the dossier, and protective family were at fault. Brilliant.

    Communicating online was a bomb dropped on real world communication.It mushroomed and continues to.It doesn't matter what crime you talk about, fraud, terrorism or bullying.People have been driven to kill through facebook status changes.That's the world we live in now. What begins at a keyboard can end at the morgue. It doesn't matter if you deny it or ignore it or even believe it, it's happened and still is.In the early days the police didn't have a facility to act on complaints made by the public and didn't treat online 'spats' seriously.That had to change and anyone wishing to have a complaint taken seriously had to provide a good case.A dossier would be a good example.

    I see the threats on the family are being played down. Using the children is always a sign of desperation.Is it supposed to sound compassionate ? Wake up. If anything would have come of threats to the parents the children would be orphans.How is that not a threat to their stability and security ?

    Let's not forget the dangers of career suicide that doctors face should they break bonds. How about the oaths and bonds sworn by the police and politicians ?It's common knowledge how secretive and parochial certain 'behind closed doors' clubs exist for them. Is it just a coincidence that so many important people aren't 'outed' until they're dead ? Outing them when they are alive is breaking an oath.It's also dangerous as the guilty party can take others down with him.How many were part of this Tapas group ?How many police officers ( all ranks) and politicians ( all ranks) have been involved ? And of all those, who had the power to influence the investigation and media ?

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  11. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton12 March 2018 at 07:19

    ''Why weren't these 80 messages referred to in their claim against GA? If the messages were as shocking as you claim, why were there no arrests? ''

    Why would the posted abuse from morons be relevant to a claim against a detective who was claiming that they were guilty of burying their child ? He didn't post them. He didn't say the parents should suffer /burn/be tortured. You aren't making sense.Again.

    ''I think it is a new low for you btw, to claim threats were made to the children. Nobody, even in anti land would do that, and again there is no evidence of it. ''

    No evidence of it, or you haven't seen any ?

    ''An internet troll branded by the UK national press as “vile” has offered Madeleine’s family an apology after six years of abuse and libelous accusations...he is now offering the family a full and unreserved apology for his behavior since Madeleine went missing. ...Hyland, 52, a steel worker now living in Scunthorpe,orchestrated a torrent of abuse at Madeleine’s family which has incited violence and predatation of Kate, Gerry and their children, Sean and Amelie.''

    Can you see that ? Or :

    ''The Facebook page at the center of this new investigation recently organised its members to leave abusive comments on Gerry McCann’s Triathlon charity page and a children’s charity''

    How can you excuse any of that and aim snide remarks at the compilers of a dossier trying to shut it down ? Trying, in your words, to be 'noble' ? Are you now an apologist for psychotics too ? Are we going to hear about how language is often open to misinterpretation and that poets 200 years ago would have been censored if they were scrutinized by over zealous police ?

    https://ordinisrubricrucis.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/internet-troll-apologizes-to-mccann-family/


    https://ordinisrubricrucis.wordpress.com/2013/08/10/two-held-in-mccann-family-death-threat-probe/

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    1. Are you not familiar with Gerry and Kate's claim against Goncalo Amaral? They claimed in Court that GA's book incited hatred and threats against themselves and their family. The Judge asked them, specifically Michael Wright who was in the witness box, to produce evidence of the threats - he couldn't. Fair dues on Sean Hyland, but why didn't they produce his threats?

      You say the Facebook page organised its members to leave abusive comments - Seriously? It doesn't even sound realistic.

      I am amazed that even after Brenda Leyland's suicide you are still defending the tactics of the dossier compilers. For years they used their dossier to bully and intimidate anyone who didn't believe the McCanns abduction story. That it ended in a death is no surprise.


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    2. "For years they used their dossier to bully and intimidate anyone who didn't believe the McCanns abduction story."

      So when were you bullied and intimidated?

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  12. ''You say the Facebook page organised its members to leave abusive comments - Seriously? It doesn't even sound realistic. ''

    No.Merseyside police said it before they made arrests following their investigation. This isn't a blood spatter /DNA debate. This actually happened.

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  13. ''I am amazed that even after Brenda Leyland's suicide you are still defending the tactics of the dossier compilers.''

    I'm amazed, and disgusted, by anyone refusing to acknowledge that family and friends support family and friends and that would include protecting them from potential harm. But then, I shouldn't be that surprised..poor Brenda Leyland isn't allowed to rest in peace as long as the lunatics need her to support their creepy narratives. Evidence ? No..musings, naturally..she was killed by the money launderers who borrowed from the fund to take out a contract..amazing

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    1. hmm, this is the kind of thing that makes me wonder about the 'supporters' you speak of.

      The determined effort to present anyone who questions the McCann's version of events as a looney conspiracy theorist, or worse, as a wicked troll who wishes harm on the children, is quite ridiculous.

      I can understand why the silencing of those who say "hang on, that doesn't make sense" might be something desirable, but pretending that anyone who DOES say "hang on, that doesn't make sense" is some kind of evil "moron" really isn't working.

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    2. Anonymous 13 March 2018 at 01:57

      Good point. Thank you.

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    3. ''The determined effort to present anyone who questions the McCann's version of events as a looney conspiracy theorist, or worse, as a wicked troll who wishes harm on the children, is quite ridiculous. ''

      Not a good point.More a straw man desperate attempt to re-frame the point you can't argue against with anything sensible.

      Can you explain how these two things are the same :

      1- Being arrested for carrying out a determined campaign of hatred against two people who are innocent in the eyes of the law and lost their child, inciting others to join the campaign and intimidate and threaten that family.

      2- Questioning the McCanns version of events.

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    4. 3. Questioning the lies put out by the parents' spin doctors, PR agencies and their own media monitoring unit.

      4. Failure of the public to believe the lies and negative propaganda put out by PR personnel employed by the parents.

      5. Failure of the public to believe the utter baloney put out by Team McCann.

      Gerry and Kate can keep putting out their own propaganda, but there is no law that says we have to believe it. And that's where you are stumped.

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    5. There it is again - ridiculous hyperbole - "campaign of hatred" for heaven's sake !

      The attempts to smear anyone who questions the McCann's version of events with the "hater" label is a long used tactic ( it would be silly of you to pretend that is not the case ).

      In my opinion, Brenda Leyland was targeted in order to 'set an example' and strike fear into those who, like her, were vocal about not believing the McCann's version of events.

      It went tragically wrong of course, and the tactics subsequently reverted back to tarring all 'non-supporters' of the McCanns with the "mad or sad" brush ( regardless of the validity of their observations )

      It's what you are doing now.

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    6. Anonymous 13 March 2018 at 11:44

      Are you asking ‘Anonymous’ @01:57 or ‘T’?

      Mao

      毛选翻译委员会的领导是徐永煐同志。介绍锺书做这份工作的是清华同学乔冠华同志。

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    7. On a personal level, I know absolutely no-one (including police officers who are family members) who believes that the McCanns were responsible for the death of their child - so please stop spouting this nonsense that the 'public' don't believe the McCanns.

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    8. @13:07

      Good to know the sane are still represented. They have the logical point of view, like the police do. So they have no need to rant and kick out.Never confuse the branch of online public opinion with normality .Never confuse guesses or opinions with facts.Never confuse hate for expert opinions based on fresh air.

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    9. ''There it is again - ridiculous hyperbole - "campaign of hatred" for heaven's sake ! ''

      Is it really ? Is it hyperbole ? Did you click the links? Give me an alternative description you think more fitting.

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    10. ''
      The attempts to smear anyone who questions the McCann's version of events with the "hater" label is a long used tactic ( it would be silly of you to pretend that is not the case ). ''

      Tell it to the police who made arrests. Then tell Sean Hyland( see links) who admitted it and offered a full apology.Then throw your blinkers away.

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    11. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton13 March 2018 at 12:35

      ''And that's where you are stumped.''

      ''Gerry and Kate can keep putting out their own propaganda, but there is no law that says we have to believe it. And that's where you are stumped.''

      They have no need to.

      Would you like the 2 questions simplified even further for you ?

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    12. Yes please 19:08, and perhaps you could also clarify 'they have no need to'.

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    13. Anonymous 13 March 2018 at 19:02

      “Did you click the links?”

      What links are you referring to, please?

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    14. They have no need to give out any propaganda.hey're innocent until proven guilty.Or until arrested and charged.Or even until the joint forces change their position that the parents are 'not suspects - period'.

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    15. Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 12:50

      Presumed innocent…

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    16. Anonymous14 March 2018 at 19:07

      ''Presumed innocent…

      T''

      Presumed. Considered ( in the eyes of the law).Presumed for good reason.But, if we're going down the pedantic route :

      ''The presumption of innocence, sometimes referred to by the Latin expression ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat (the burden of proof is on the one who declares, not on one who denies), is the principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty''

      That's stood for a long, long time.The sudden appearance of hundreds of virtual rebels marauding across a virtual landscape, most of whom wouldn't know each other if they were six foot from a fellow rebel outside on the real landscape, confirms the need for such a principle rather than it's dissolution. It doesn't matter how many people ignore something.It doesn't go away.

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  14. "I know Clarence says the McCanns are extremely grateful, but I don't sense any enthusiasm there"

    Is there no end to the incredible powers that Ros has?

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    1. or beginning

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    2. @ Hello Anon12 March 2018 at 23:19

      Perhaps, the McCanns are both enthusiastic and "extremely grateful" as long as the Met/SY aren't making any progress, that might incriminate them.

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      I suggest you read the comment at 23:19 again.

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    4. @Anonymous14 March 2018 at 19:12
      Hello

      What I was trying to say was that the McCanns are indeed enthusiastic, though they're trying to hide their enthusiasm behind a mask of fear, which their 10th anniversary interview so clearly showed, when they expressed their gratitude towards the Met, saying that the ongoing British investigation has meant "huge" to them. They might just as well have added, especially as the British investigation seems to guarantee that we're not going to be investigated by the Portuguese PJ.

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    5. @ Bjorn

      The comment at 23:19 was about Ros and her incredible powers.

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    6. @Anonymous15 March 2018 at 12:25
      Hello
      Yes, I know it was, but we all see different things in people's facial expressions don't we? Not a big deal. Some are more talented than others, but I don't think Rosalinda meant that her observation of lack of enthusiam in the McCanns' faces was established as a scientific fact. Nor can I prove that the McCanns' attitudes reveal a hidden satisfaction about the Operation Grange going absolutely nowhere.However, it's my intuition, just as I suppose that it's Rosalinda's intuition that makes her see no enthusiasm in the behaviour of the McCanns.

      The only "incredible powers" that amaze me is that of British MSM and the British Prime Minister, who seem to know that Madeleine was abducted, without having any evidence.

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  15. "The same people who assured you that Saddam Hussein had WMD’s now assure you Russian “novochok” nerve agents are being wielded by Vladimir Putin to attack people on British soil."

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/russian-to-judgement/

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    1. Yep, on to all this nonsense. Trump / May - Mossad puppets preparing new narrative to induce mass hysteria and anti- Putin garbage. Then they'll introduce the measures to 'protect' us. Result ? Tighter control over us and some credibility restored to two complete dickheads

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    2. “novochok”

      Sorry, Craig: Novichok (Russian: Новичок) = A newcomer, a rookie, a newbie etc.

      https://www.babla.ru/%D1%80%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9/%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BE%D0%BA

      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%BE%D0%BA_(%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B8%D0%B5)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent

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    3. Are you sure you are on the right blog - Ros doesn't do "current affairs". Of course if I was so minded I could say - oh look at the distraction tactics!

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  16. For all those who believe in the integrity of the Portuguese judicial system, perhaps you should read this: -

    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/24/559882305/assaulting-an-adulterous-ex-wife-doesn-t-merit-jail-time-portuguese-court-says

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    1. I am always baffled when "the integrity" of the Portuguese judicial system" is brought up in this case.

      What does it have to do with a three year old child disappearing without trace whilst her parents were out enjoying themselves ?

      Whatever happened to Madeleine McCann one thing is certain - it was not the Portuguese judiciary that caused it.

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    2. So we can rule out the police as abductors so that leaves only the parents.Why didn't I think of that. In fact, why didn't either of the police forces either ?

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  17. @13:10

    You must have head this:

    “Oxford student who stabbed boyfriend could be spared jail 'because of her extraordinary talent'”
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/16/oxford-student-spared-jail-extraordinary-talent/

    What's good for the goose…

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    1. Is good for the....what ?

      I don't get it. A psychologically disturbed medical student uses her immense talent of physiology and concludes that consuming copious amounts of of alcohol and illegal drugs could benefit her. Then she uses a knife to wound her boyfriend.He survived the attack from the nutcase and she received a light sentence. The judge deeming her potential is more important than her madness and lack of self control.He adds she probably won't become a surgeon because of her medical record ( rather than her penchant for getting of her box ). She touched lucky. Sounds like the old boys network have been paid a healthy fee in Oxbridge and the desired outcome was a slam dunk.

      Whats the connection between all of that and an abducted child, a potentially dead -by- misfortune child, a murdered child , and the parents of a missing child that have no tangible evidence arguing against their claim to have no idea where the child went ?

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  18. Anonymous 13 March 2018 at 13:41

    Hear, hear!

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  19. Dear Rosalinda

    Full unedited interview with English subtitles
    Vladimir Putin contra Megyn Kelly
    NBC 10.03.2018

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mhi_AyQAyw
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mhi_AyQAyw&feature=youtu.be

    Or google: Full Unedited Interview of Vladimir Putin with NBC's Megyn Kelly 2018

    Bless.

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    1. Ah thank you T. I did watch this interview recently, I find Vladimir Putin absolutely fascinating. Methinks he takes evil to a whole new level. It is his intellect that intrigues me, the fact that he can speak English, but chooses not to. His 'KGB' walk, his left arm swinging and his right arm still and close to his gun. And the knowing look in his eyes spooks me, it is as if he has a window into the soul of whoever interviews him. I can see why Trump fears Putin, more than he fears Mueller!

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    2. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton 14 March 2018 at 08:54

      I am grateful for your comment.

      “… he takes evil to a whole new level.”

      As given, the above observation is, for me, too general to accept, but let’s please not argue about it.

      “His 'KGB' walk, his left arm swinging and his right arm still and close to his gun.

      I also find his walk impressive. I think his walk has to do with his military-style training, KGB or whatever.

      Might be of interest: http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h6141
      Or google:
      thebmj “Gunslinger’s gait”: a new cause of unilaterally reduced arm swing

      Keep well, my dear.

      Bless.

      T

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    3. ''I find Vladimir Putin absolutely fascinating. Methinks he takes evil to a whole new level.''

      So your recent habit of hanging on american news has already brainwashed you. They'd love you over there. Johnson, Bush, Clinton, Obama -all make him look as dangerous and evil as Bambi. They just smiled and winked their way through their lies.

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    4. Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 12:49

      “Johnson, Bush, Clinton, Obama -all make him look as dangerous and evil as Bambi. They just smiled and winked their way through their lies.”

      That’s excellent!:) Mazel tov!:) I’m reporting you to RSPCA nevertheless.

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    5. Putin is what American leaders pretend to be and aspire to be. He has innate strength and determination along with genuine heart and guts.He backs up his talk with the walk and won't be intimidated. He speaks eloquently with no requirement of an earpiece to feed him or cue card to guide him.That is because he actually has a sharp mind and is extremely intelligent - not just on forged paper . That might frame him as a stereotypical James Bond bad guy, but this isn't a movie. Where is the propaganda coming from about how evil he is and how dangerous Russia is ? The sources know they can't make him magically disappear into the sea or frame him and his KGB for planted bombs.He's the real deal and makes them nervous.Time to forget everything the University of Hollywood has taught us.

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    6. Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 19:30

      A stunning piece, verily. Perfect pitch, pace, perspective, perspicacity. Stricking!

      I’d love to forward it to the Kremlin and Pravda. Would you mind?

      Respect.

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    7. Wow, Putin and Trump and like entirely different species! Trump still figuring out how to open a banana and Putin moving onto quantum physics.

      Megyn Kelly looks petrified, her mouth says 'did you interfere in the US election', while her eyes scream 'please don't have me killed'. Putin is quite charming of course which adds to the terror, but he avoids any flirting. He responds to Meghan as he would to a male interviewer, he doesn't belittle her for being female. Trump on the other hand thinks women are flattered by his leering, and can be bought with a cheap compliment or a grope.

      The USA I fear, are as vulnerable as they have been in this cold war. They are being led by a primate with a smaller vocabulary than KoKo the gorilla, whilst Russia is led by master of languages and an intellectual giant.

      Having been a fan of all the Americans who saved the world in the movies, I am very disappointed that a small (or big)band of heroes, haven't kicked his fascist fat arse out of the Whitehouse yet.

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    8. ''Having been a fan of all the Americans who saved the world in the movies, I am very disappointed that a small (or big)band of heroes, haven't kicked his fascist fat arse out of the Whitehouse yet. ''

      A positive sign.You're beginning to see the differences that matter. The US propaganda machine used to have John 'versatile' Wayne for times like this.If America was a man he'd be John Wayne. Big, quiet and not to messed with.A two -fisted fighter who only ever ended fights, never started any.Strong and silent and proud.Also a totally unconvicing actor with a monotone voice, dead eyes and who walked like a drunken hooker.Welcome to the real world Uncle Sam. Now sit down and behave for once.This is serious.

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    9. A positive sign, are you trying to patronise me? lol. And with my specialist subject, movies no less, ha ha.

      John Wayne wasn't just a bad actor, he was a bad person. Unfortunately, a mentor and role model for self entitled, loud mouthed bullies the world over. He wasn't acting, he was being himself.

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    10. True. He hated any skin colour that wasn't white, communists, and, especially, women.Rumour has it that he suffered from tiny todger syndrome.Pimple on a mountain kinda thing ;-)

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    11. Good Day
      An important message to the world

      I wonder if John Wayne ever acted. Wasn't he just a kind of "cowboy" both off and on camera? Most film stars in those days wished to be seen by their fans sitting in luxury cars or by swimming pools. I can just remember John Wayne sitting on a horse. LOL.

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    12. LOL Bjorn, you are fortunate. My lasting image is John Wayne spanking Maureen O'Hara, and several other feisty females. I was mad as hell when I saw it circa age 5, and I'm still mad as hell at it! He awakened the feminist in me, how dare he!

      John Wayne like Charlton Heston and Ronald Reagan were being themselves, or at least the macho heroes they portrayed. They don't so much espouse the views of the founding fathers, so much as the views of the gun toting, right wing evangelicals.

      It was popular during the cold war, to persuade the masses that we had freedoms that the East did not. John Wayne represented the hard working Americans who put up fences and marked their borders. He was always prepared to fight off marauding foreigners, especially Native American Indians.

      My hero was/is Marlon Brando, even though he has an infuriating habit of taking ages to reply to a question. His answers are always worth waiting for, however. They are reasoned, considered and always insightful. I loved the way he embraced other cultures(quite literally)and I loved his humanity. Not only was he way better looking than John Wayne et al, he was a far nicer person.

      Apropos of nothing I once did an in depth essay on Ronald Reagan. He played a major part in the Joe McCarthy 'witch trials'. I was amused to discover that he convinced the American that he was a war hero, appearing in films and commercials in uniform. At the end of WWII, he said 'like every other soldier all I want to do is get back to my wife and kids'. He actually went home every night because he never left California.

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    13. @Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton17 March 2018 at 12:00
      Hi Rosalinda

      Times aren’t really so much “a changin’” after all.

      Hollywood was the most important place in the world for the few international actors we had in the 50s and it still seems to be so. If you can make it there you can make it anywhere, is just as true as it's always been.

      We so easily become seduced by the Hollywood glamour and luxury, that we almost forget that it’s all about the American cultural perspective on art.

      The fact, that there’s an Oscar for the best foreign film, suggests that American movies by definition would always be better than foreign film production. What about being awarded the Nobel Prize for the best foreign literature? Absurd!

      Talking about American actors of the past, Spencer Tracy should be remembered, as he had such a range of different characters that he so cleverly could play. Of course Marlon Brandon’s character “Stanley” in “A Streetcar named Desire” is in my opinion very convincing and impressive.

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  20. Pedro do Carmo
    "Obviously, I will not answer that question. But what I can say, just as I did back in 2011 and 2013, is that Maddie's parents are not suspects. That statement remains: the parents are not suspects. Period."

    2011 Portuguese Review

    2013 Portuguese reopen the case.



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  21. Dear Ros,

    "A lawyer who led prosecutions against a child sex abuse ring in Telford has said those cases were the "tip of the iceberg".

    Former chief prosecutor Nazir Afzal, who also oversaw similar high-profile cases in Rochdale, said he knew "more would come out".

    Speaking amid calls for a new inquiry, he said there were probably thousands of street grooming victims in the UK.

    West Mercia Police said it took all allegations "extremely seriously"."
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-43385049

    A subject you should be interested in.

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  22. Rosalinda, I think you are probably correct to assume the McCanns remove themselves from potentially 'difficult' questions by having others argue their position by proxy.

    You are right, too, when you point out that the McCanns have never ( in ten years ) "expanded" on the bare bones they presented in the very beginning - citing, as they did, 'Portuguese secrecy laws' for their reticence.

    When the case was shelved by the Portuguese there was, of course, no longer any need for them to agonisingly stay silent on issues they had, by their own account, been longing to speak about - and yet - remain silent they did.

    Despite being free to answer any and all questions about their version of events, we have, to this day, only ever been 'enlightened' by "pals" - none of it is ever directly attributable to the McCanns themselves for some reason.

    Smoke and mirrors indeed.

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    1. @ anon 23:48

      Have you read Kate's book "madeleine"?

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    2. Thank you for your post 23:48. Whilst I get the McCanns 'we don't have to explain' standpoint, it hasn't done them any favours, it's not endearing. They have distanced themselves, even from their own supporters, their Facebook page is run by a mysterious 'webmaster'.

      In the 'ask the dogs' interview, the divine Sandra F, pointed out that judicial secrecy no longer applied, Kate hastily changed the subject and Gerry gave his memorable reply.

      In recent years they have given very few interviews, largely I suspect, because they won't venture beyond anything they said in their original statements and they can't expand on what is happening now.

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    3. ''their Facebook page is run by a mysterious 'webmaster'.''

      Why do you need the name address and inside leg measurement of somebody running a website ? Is everything sinister or suspicious just because you don't have chapter and verse on it ?

      ''Whilst I get the McCanns 'we don't have to explain' standpoint, it hasn't done them any favours, it's not endearing''

      A dignified silence isn't a crime.It hasn't endeared them to the hounds wanting any small morsels thrown their way to chew over. Shame.

      ''In the 'ask the dogs' interview, the divine Sandra F, pointed out that judicial secrecy no longer applied, Kate hastily changed the subject and Gerry gave his memorable reply. ''

      Th 'divine' Sandra asked if they killed their daughter. Is that all it takes now to achieve divinity in the haters' book ? Weird people. The memorable answer '' and that's an emphatic no'' . The open minded less disturbed viewer reads that as emphasizing. He emphasized the 'no' as it was both a silly question ( were they going to break and confess suddenly ?) and a way of asking how many ways there are before silly questions stop .

      ''In recent years they have given very few interviews, largely I suspect, because they won't venture beyond anything they said in their original statements ''

      Is there any need to if there's nothing to add ?How many ways to explain to anyone that you returned to your apartment to discover one of your children had gone from it ?

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    4. Anonymous13 March 2018 at 23:48

      ''You are right, too, when you point out that the McCanns have never ( in ten years ) "expanded" on the bare bones they presented in the very beginning - citing, as they did, 'Portuguese secrecy laws' for their reticence.''

      They only needed to expand and answer questions the police asked.They don't have to bare the souls to the online bored or nutters.

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    5. @ Hello Anon14 March 2018 at 08:47

      Kate's book does not answer any essential questions asked by those, who suspect that she and Gerry are guilty, let alone questions asked by the Portuguese Police, like the 47 she refused to answer, when she was an arguido. So many questions remain unanswered or unexplained.

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    6. You mean she didn't answer any questions to your satisfaction chief inspector bjorn. She's been asked, along with her husband, if she killed Madeleine. The answer was no. Almost all of the 48 questions Amaral considered important were important to his own agenda of confirming his initial suspicion was right. They had little or nothing at all to do with an abduction, potential abductors or suspicious characters.None of his PJ comrades have pursued his cause since and neither have the met, despite the close working relationship. Why would that be I wonder. Maybe they don't think Kate's work schedule or the dreams she has are important.Or the relationships between the siblings.

      Amaral's biggest mistake was carrying his demons from the Cipriano case with him when he arrived at the crime scene. They prevented him having a clearer vision and open mind and making progress. IMO that was what persuaded his bosses to persuade him to change desks. That and the lack of evidence, of course..

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    7. @ Björn14 March 2018 at 13:48

      you are entitled to nothing from the Mccanns.

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    8. Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 12:44

      “A dignified silence isn't a crime.”

      Neither is being, allegedly, a fool.
      12 March 2018 at 13:21 http://cristobell.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/more-smoke-and-mirrors.html?showComment=1520860919106#c2161727602986639741

      Leave Sandra alone. She is divine.:)

      T

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    9. @Anonymous14 March 2018 at 19:17
      Hello
      "They had little or nothing at all to do with an abduction, potential abductors or suspicious characters"

      I admit that there were a few suspicious characters that Kate thought should be investigated and some were in fact asked questions,none of whom refused to answer, though the questions may by those "suspects" have been perceived as very irrelevant for a crime, in which they were not involved.

      Kate is still the only person in this case, who has refused to answer questions asked by the Portuguese PJ. I just cannot get it. Why does an innocent person, who's suspected of a serious crime, choose to stay silent, when he/she has a good chance to clarify all misunderstandings and prove his/her innocence?

      In a future legal process, her choice in this respect will be used against her. She's intelligent, so she must have known that.

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    10. 19:17. Actually, it is not true to say none of Goncalo Amaral's colleagues pursued the same line of enquiry. The case was shelved because the tapas group wouldn't return to Portugal for the reconstruction. The parents lost the opportunity to prove their innocence as was noted in the final report.

      As for what the Met and the PJ are investigating now, how would you know? lol. I've got a feeling they are all acting under judicial secrecy, they have never really given anything away.

      As for GA going into the Madeleine disappearance with demons from the Cipriano case, good heavens, that's weak, embarrassingly so. He was an experienced wizened copper, that's nonsense.

      And, as has been pointed out to you many times, GA is not the sole cause of the McCanns' problems. This case is so old, his involvement is a distant memory. This continual focus on GA is proving to be the McCanns' undoing.

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  23. "Isabel Duarte says she wants KMC [Kate McCann] to speak of the threats. The judge asks from who, from where, but as Isabel Duarte doesn't know the judge rejects this question because it is not within the scope of the trial."

    http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Kate_McCann_08_07_2014.htm

    How come Isabel Duarte doesn't know "from who, from where"?

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    1. It wasn't within the scope of the trial and still wouldn't have been had anyone cited facebook or twitter as the trial was about Amarals allegations not the nutcases online.It's not difficult.

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    2. Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 12:58

      “…the trial was about Amarals allegations…”

      Would you please substantiate the above by quoting from the trial documents.

      Thank you in advance.

      T

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    3. Anonymous at 12:58

      "It's not difficult."

      And Isabel Duarte didn't know what you seem to know? Who do you think you are dealing with?

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    4. Dealing with ? Sit down Tony Soprano.

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    5. Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 23:01

      “Dealing with ? Sit down Tony Soprano.”

      ! :)

      T

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    6. Anonymous14 March 2018 at 19:41

      ''Would you please substantiate the above by quoting from the trial documents.

      Thank you in advance.

      T''

      I'd like to provide the trial documents. But I don't feel inclined. It consumes too much time. You know what it's like, you ask a few open simple questions..ask for the occasional snippet of evidence..and you get nothing back.Well,nothing of any worth other than misquotations and silly remarks. So, when in Rome etc...

      The only actual trial I'm aware of was the intended endgame the parents hoped for regarding Amaral having his tall tales allowed out ( or not) to wreak havoc. Or, more accurately, the allegations he made within the book about the McCanns burying their child and being liars.If this didn't happen I stand ( in advance) corrected.

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    7. @ Anonymous15 March 2018 at 18:11

      I am sure you will get invited for a glass of sherry and be called "my dear".

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  24. LOL Letter for Tony from the AG, Portugal
    https://madmaninamac.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/urgent-letter-for-tony.html

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    1. @ anon 08:55

      Ah so that is the project that they were looking for help from a Portuguese speaker for. I believe they got Paolo Reis.

      "A team of independent investigators working over the last decade" deluded fools - and the head fool should be locked up.

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    2. @Get'emGonçalo wrote:
      Many thanks to all the offers we've received for the task of translating our letter into Portuguese.

      Portuguese Journalist and CMOMM member Paulo Reis, who is now back in Portugal, will be taking up the challenge and will be working with us on our new project.




      Special thanks also to Anne Guedes and Natasha Donn.

      Once the letter has been translated and sent I will post it on the forum and will tell you more about it

      ha ha the same PR who was having the creche records forensically tested...bunch of fools.

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    3. Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 08:55

      I read it yesterday. LOL indeed. A master of mercilessly taking the piss in action!

      Might be of interest:
      https://randommomentsofutterstupidity.blogspot.com/2016/05/mirror-mirror-on-wall.html

      T

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    4. Thanks T
      Yep she sure has a way with words.
      Read many of her posts before Amazon closed their discussions down.

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    5. ''Portuguese Journalist and CMOMM member Paulo Reis, who is now back in Portugal, will be taking up the challenge and will be working with us on our new project.''

      I think they'll find that 'hate' 'over imaginative' and 'blinkered' all mean pretty much the same thing whichever language it's typed in after translation.The man's as deluded as he is dull.

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    6. @11:10

      Do you know if that letter has been posted on CMOMM?

      Thanks.

      T

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    7. This is what was posted on haverns after being posted on a couple of forums
      http://thediscussionforum.forumotion.com/t106-article-in-the-portuguese-press-now-removed

      Posted by someone called Nick on haverns and followed by another post thanking everyone......then WHOOSH

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    8. @T
      2nd reply
      this was posted elsewhere

      Natasha Donn's reason for withdrawing her article is due to a much bigger paper covering the story more comprehensively.If the paper decides not to use it(which it still might not) she will repost hers.

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    9. Anonymous14 March 2018 at 18:27

      “…she…”?

      “…posts before Amazon closed their discussions down.”

      Know nothing about that. Could you please you tell more?

      Thanks.

      T

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    10. Amazon ran many discussion forums, the Kate McCann one ran for years, but was very poorly moderated, threats to waterboard the Mc, and other posters called the most obnoxious names, and very rarely was anything done by Amazon.

      she now posts on thediscussion forum which was opened because Amazon closed theirs.

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    11. @09:46, 09:56

      It’s so kind of you to let me know. Many thanks.

      T

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    12. Anonymous 15 March 2018 at 12:25

      “she…”?

      Many thanks for the info. Apreciated.

      T

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  25. Björn (13 March at 18:51)
    JJ (11 March at 19:59) your link:
    audioboom.com/boos/2544211

    1:07

    BHH: "...likely to have been dealt with by Leicestershire police not by the Met."

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  26. Anonymous13 March 2018 at 23:48

    Concur.

    T

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    1. @ T 09:37


      Have you read Kate's book "madeleine"?

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  27. Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 10:16

    “@ T 09:37

    Have you read Kate's book "madeleine"?”

    Yes, I have, my friend. I am a happy owner of a fine copy of ‘madeleine. Our daughter’s disappearance and the continuing search for her’ ISBN978-0-593-06791-8.

    I’ve just checked. ‘madeleine’ is standing on a bookshelf, between Thomas S. Kuhn’s ‘The Structure of Scientific Revolutions’ ISBN 0-226-45804-0 and Donald E. Knuth’s ‘Selected Papers on Computer Science’ ISBN 1-881516-91-7.

    Thank you for asking.

    Peace.

    T

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    1. @ T 11:50

      Thankyou for contributing to the Madeleine Fund.

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    2. Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 19:25

      No, my friend: I bought it from a Cancer Research charity shop for 50p. Would be £1 from Amazon. Such a fine book for 50p was a real bargain!

      Is that all you had to say, my dear?

      T

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    3. T 20:02
      "Is that all you had to say, my dear?"

      What else is there to say? I asked if you had read the book and you said "yes". You then confirmed that you bought it.

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    4. Anonymous14 March 2018 at 23:29

      “What else is there to say?”

      Cute. I’ve no idea…

      A drop of sherry perhaps and let the devil take care of the rest?

      To friendship and the demise of funds!

      Peace.

      T

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  28. "Explains one the group’s principal spokespeople - a retired Nottinghamshire police superintendent - “it is important that people follow this logically, and without preconceptions, however shocking the conclusion may seem”.
    “There is strong evidence, for example, that the famous Pool Photo was not taken on Thursday 3rd as was claimed. “Weather reports, personal diaries, and many hundreds of photos on sites such as Flickr show that Thursday lunchtime was overcast and there was a cold Force 4 wind”. The retired police officer is convinced that the mystery is “a very simple sad story” that for reasons unclear has been hopelessly muddled up. As to why this may be the case, his response was a prememptory: “No Comment”.

    “Any answers I give at this point would be personal opinions not based on facts or knowledge and therefore best avoided”, he said. “It might be, after all, that the findings have "got through" and that a final answer is just around the corner."

    https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14974-algarve-resident-attorney-general-receives-new-theory-in-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann#383062
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    Can you believe that ex cop Murky Macleod expects to be taken seriously when he makes bennett's false allegations to natasha.donn@algarveresident.com - a member of the cesspit?

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    1. What I am struck by is the McCann's complete indifference to the "Madeleine died on Sunday" theory that is relentlessly pushed by the forum you reference.

      Remarkably tolerant of the McCanns ( and through them, Carter Ruck ) to allow this claim to go unchallenged - especially since they have Bennett over a barrel legally, and can shut him up any time they choose.

      It appears they are quite content to let this elaborate and complicated theory ( nonsense that is ) to be given free reign.

      Unlike Mr Amaral's far simpler theory - which they have spent ( and lost ) a fortune trying to silence.

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    2. Each theory is as pointless as the other. That's probably why the McCanns are free and why they don't mind how long nonsense runs around looking or sounding silly.

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    3. @ Anonymous14 March 2018 at 21:29

      The Mccanns and Carter Ruck know exactly what bennett is doing. He is pushing harder and harder to ensure that action has to be taken at some point to stop him. At that stage he puts his plan into action - a GoFundme, wide press coverage, distress and distraction to the Mccanns. He become a martyr in the eyes of his tiny following - look how some people applaud him for losing his court case and paying out for the rest of his miserable life!

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    4. 23:09. I think the world and its' dog have realised that Bennett uses the legal system to get his ugly mug in the news. Anyone who responds to him is literally giving him the attention he seeks.

      He has been playing the martyr card for years now, but there's no sympathy left other than, as you say, his tiny following. He was useful to Team McCann for a while, as evidence that the parents were being stalked and harassed online, but they don't seem to bother now.

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    5. Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 23:04

      “Each theory is as pointless as the other.”

      Incorrect.

      T

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    6. Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 21:29

      Interesting.

      Thank you.

      T

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    7. Anonymous15 March 2018 at 11:35

      ''
      “Each theory is as pointless as the other.”

      Incorrect.

      T''

      Incorrect in what way ? I didn't see the memo declaring Madeleine dead.Or the other one saying she'd disappeared on the Sunday. I'm not sure Amaral's 'simple theory' went far either.Were all officers instructed that his theory wasn't to be pursued because he wasn't on the case any longer ? If it was simple as well as accurate and relevant, then surely something could have been expanded on. It takes far more than some detective's suspicious mind to convict anyone of anything. Saying that, 'far more' could have been done in eleven years. Or are we going for the line that Amaral's theory would have closed the case had the dogs barking been accepted as the death of someone-regardless of the cause or killer remaining a mystery- and that the forensic evidence was tampered with or destroyed in order to protect two middle class doctors.I'm not sure which is sillier.I'm baffled as to why the support for Amaral is never supported with attacks and accusations ( free speech) of those behind the conspiracy to discredit him and his theories. Surely they deserve the lion's share.

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    8. I think it is reasonable to wonder if Bennet/Halls complicated theory is tolerated by the McCanns is BECAUSE it rejects Amarals thesis. Afterall, given the court undertaking they achieved, the McCanns could put a stop to Bennet's nonsense with the single flourish of a Carter Ruck pen.

      In that regard, it might be seen as a valuable diversion - a theory that makes no sense I itself ( and therefore an easy target for ridicule ) whilst, at the same time, serving as a handy claim that Amaral is 'wrong' ( a message the McCanns might be reluctant to curtail )

      The fact remains, of course, that it is Amaral's theory, alone, that the McCanns have desperately tried to discredit, and silence.

      It appears the only theory they cannot bear to see given the light of day - is his.

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    9. Tony Bennett and CMoMM give credence to the McCanns' claim that they are harassed and stalked online. They cited Bennett's Madeleine Foundation in their Appeal to the Supreme Court, as evidence of Goncalo Amaral's book inciting hatred against them.

      Whether Bennett remains useful to them is open to debate, but I suspect now they are aware that he gets off on any response he gets,they simply ignore him.

      The problem Bennett, Hall, HideHo et al have is the fact that everyone knows they haven't got access to anything. Their theories are based on 10 year old police files that weren't even complete. Anything they come up with is fantasy.

      GA however, was the lead detective on the ground and his book mirrors the actual police investigation. You can see why they can't bear his theory to see the light of day.

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    10. Off the top of my head, I can think of three reasons the McCanns might not be using their legal position to stop Bennet's claims. ( quite apart from the fact his theory is such convoluted nonsense that it poses no concern to them in itself )

      1) It rejects the Smith family evidence.

      2) It rejects Mrs Fenn's evidence.

      3) It rejects Mr Amaral's conclusions.

      All in all, quite a useful 'theory' in it's way, and as long as Bennet/Hall et al continue down that road then I don't see a Carter Ruck letter landing on the mat any time soon.

      Conversely, of course, Mr Amaral has been put under extraordinary pressure to stay silent.

      Which says it all.

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    11. "Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton16 March 2018 at 08:39
      Their theories are based on 10 year old police files that weren't even complete. Anything they come up with is fantasy.

      GA however, was the lead detective on the ground and his book mirrors the actual police investigation. You can see why they can't bear his theory to see the light of day."
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      GA's theory is not even based on the complete Police investigation - it is drawn from and used in the "interim" Police report.

      There is not a scrap of evidence to support GA's theory and huffing and puffing on multiple sofa appearances.

      Don't forget: "Due to the type of fluid, we policemen, experts, say that the cadaver was frozen or preserved in the cold and when placed into the car boot, with the heat at that time [of the year], part of the ice melted. On a curb, for example, something fell from the trunk’s right side, above the wheel. It may be said that this is speculation, but it’s the only way to explain what happened there."

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    12. And yet - more than ten years later, following years of 'private investigators' of one type and another, and a six year investigation by the Met's finest costing 11,000,000 pounds, not a single piece of evidence that DISPROVES Amaral's theory has been found.

      Given that simple fact, I think your attempt to ridicule it looks a little bit silly.

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    13. @ Anonymous16 March 2018 at 15:49

      Amaral's theory was disproved by the archiving report and the information contained in the files. Something which people for some reason do not want to acknowledge.

      In nearly 11 years has one single piece of evidence been found to enable the McCanns to even be arrested - never mind charged and found guilty in a court of law?

      I believe your support of Amaral's theory is not only very silly but completely misplaced and idiotic.

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    14. @Anonymous16 March 2018 at 21:39
      Hi There
      "I believe your support of Amaral's theory is not only very silly but completely misplaced and idiotic"

      Still, not quite as idiotic as that about a stranger abduction, I'd say.

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  29. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1563938/Madeleine-McCann-police-chief-breaks-silence.html

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    1. Anonymous 14 March 2018 at 12:15

      Thank you.

      T

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  30. "And why did they take it offline after Brenda committed suicide?
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    Who says it has been taken offline? Just because YOU may not be able to see it doesn't mean that it is "offline".

    It may still be available for specific people to view.

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  31. Hi Rosalinda,
    I just lifted this from American Thinker. Part of a reply to the Theresa May, Skripal poisoning debacle.

    "It is now all but impossible for the British courts and the British police - who are ultimately officials of the British State - to come to any conclusion other than one the British government has made for them"

    In a nutshell maybe that's what is happening at Operation Grange.
    jc

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    1. @ jc 01:41

      Congratulations, your ability to try to link anything, whatever it is about to the Mccann case is outstanding.

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    2. @Anonymous15 March 2018 at 01:41
      Hello jc
      Yes, that statement can bee seen as a general British rule, that can be applied to any crime, where justice cannot be done to a victim through a legal process.

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  32. https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/03/13/world-war-3-approaching/

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    1. @09:28

      Thank you.

      T

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    2. Anonymous15 March 2018 at 09:28

      Good old Paul Craig Roberts.

      Thank you for the link.

      T

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  33. http://expresso.sapo.pt/arquivo/sobre-o-arquivamento-do-caso-maddie=f372712#gs.nKRq3fQ

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    1. http://pjga.blogspot.nl/2010/03/miguel-sousa-tavares-jornalista-ou-juiz.html

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  34. Portuguese Attorney General receives “new theory” in disappearance of Madeleine McCann

    Post by Get'emGonçalo Today at 10:52
    Many thanks to Natasha Donn and Paulo Reis
    https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t14980-portuguese-attorney-general-receives-new-theory-in-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann#383203
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    It has been posted in public again - I predict tears.

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