Monday, 16 April 2018

HOW MADELEINE WENT GLOBAL

 
On my last blog a poster commented that there was a history of child trafficking in Portugal and Europe.  This surprised me because in all the years I have watched the Madeleine mystery, I have never heard of any child trafficking rings being raided or arrested.  Significantly, I have never heard of any missing children being rescued from child traffickers.  
 
The McCanns blame the Portuguese police for not responding quickly enough and for not closing the borders, sea ports and beaches presumably. Why their first thought was that she was being taken out of Portugal is bizarre, sadly most stolen children are found close to where they were taken and not alive. Travelling with an abducted child would be an absolute nightmare, especially a near 4 year old who could blurt out anything. Abductors of children and adults, ‘get rid of’ their hostages as soon possible for fear of being caught.  
 
Strangely on the night of Madeleine’s abduction, the McCanns were already focused on taking the search away from PDL, statistically the most likely place Madeleine would be found, and where the police and volunteers were already out searching. The idea that Madeleine may have been taken to another country may have been comforting for the parents, but it is not realistic.  It simply never happens.  Couples desperate to adopt a child have limitless legal means to do so, and let’s not forget, Madeleine was sharing a room with two babies, a boy and a girl, why would a potential adopter push past the babies to reach the 4 year old?  
 
The astonishing part of this (imaginary) happy ever after fairy tale, is the fact that the government, the British police and the media ran with it. That such an abduction has never happened before in the history of the world, was brushed aside as the search for Madeleine went global.  Jim Gamble and CEOP even released an aged progressed 'Asian' Madeleine. And in the early days, an innocent Moroccan family were targeted simply because their small daughter had blonde hair. As if a poor and struggling family in Morocco could or would sponsor an international crime to acquire another mouth to feed. But the McCanns were selling and the papers were buying, pouncing on an innocent Moroccan family may have been ludicrous, but it sold papers.
 
The Portuguese Authorities approached the investigation with calm and logic.  Most missing children turn up safe and sound.  The parents, not unnaturally, were frantic, as any parents in such a situation would be, but their unwillingness to leave it to the professionals, simply added more suspicion.  We can only imagine the astonishment of Goncalo Amaral and his team watching Gerry and Kate visit the Pope and tour Europe.
 
Making the search for Madeleine global, was of course a masterstroke in marketing, and unique, most parents of abducted children don't claim they have been taken out of the country.  Madeleine, bless her, was special I'm sure, but no child is special enough for someone to arrange an international kidnap.  She was too old to blend into an existing family, and too recognisable to be seen in public.  None of which would have been a problem if they had taken one of the babies. 
 
I can understand why people would want to comfort the parents by agreeing that their hopes of rescuing Madeleine are feasible, but is it really a good idea to feed an obvious delusion?  And what kind of sick minds came up with an image of Madeleine with brown skin? 
 
There were of course a lot of benefits in taking the search for Madeleine worldwide.  Not least it distracted from the actual search in PDL and jammed the police switchboards.  But it also boosted the Fund.  I believe they received over 50m hits in the first few days.  The idea that Madeleine could so easily have been shipped away, took hold as they visited Morocco (why?), and Kate, or one of her relatives, had a vision of a boat. 
 
Unfortunately, every abduction theory leads eventually to the ludicrous.  An organised international kidnap? Seriously?  A random opportunist? body would have been found. Burglar? Among the more ridiculous and from SY to boot.  A Gang? Would the police, both Portuguese and British allow them to carry on for 11 years uninterrupted?  An adoptive family? Given the publicity, there was never any hope of a normal life. A monster with a basement? Dear God, let's hope not. 
 
It is very unlikely that poor Madeleine ever left PDL, even if she had been taken by an abductor.  Yet Gerry and Kate never searched the area around them.  Looking back at the campaigns of Gerry and Kate, even from the earliest days, they have taken their search everywhere but Portugal, yet it is the last place they saw their child.  
 
It is hard not to be cynical about the parents motives for taking the search for Madeleine worldwide.   It was an almighty distraction, not only to the search in PDL, but also to the tricky issue of the child neglect and the suspicions of the Portuguese police.  How could these parents who were working so hard to publicise their daughter's disappearance, possibly be involved?  It is assumed that the guilty hide away lest they be caught, but often the opposite happens, they, like the lady, doth protest too much.   
 
Without knowing the fate of their daughter, they embraced the cause of missing children worldwide, especially in the USA where the huge NCMEC has it's own TV network and specialist centre for tracking down missing children.   It's TV host, John Walsh, the father of a child taken and murdered many years ago.  CEOP by comparison, were the poor relations, but I'm pretty sure Mr. Gamble had big plans for it.  For whatever reason, the non charismatic JG thinks he's great on the telly, and would have had a permanent spot, with good public speaker, hmm, Gerry in the John Walsh role. 
 
Children in reality, very rarely get abducted, and the best source for that statement is Wiki's list of global kidnappings.  If abduction is rare, taking a child across borders is rarer still, it has simply never happened.  The parents were miffed because the PJ simply wouldn't support their bizarre appeals in countries all over Europe.  John McCann said in an interview, they would continue their private investigation, but are happy if the police wanted to join them.  I'm trying to think where that would come on an arrogance scale, but the summer of 2007 was a summer of madness and it has much to compete with. 
 
Those of us unfortunate enough to become entrapped by this mystery, remember all too well the hysteria and lunacy this high profile crime unleashed.  The idea that Madeleine could be found literally anywhere in the world caught on.  Week in, week out, the tabloids ran stories about sightings, in fact the sightings continued for years, right up until Scotland Yard opened Operation Grange, and they stopped.  So too did the appeals and so too the fundraising.  It would of course, be disrespectful to the British police to act independently of them whilst a live investigation is underway, but they had no qualms about doing it to the PJ.  They held press conferences, they put out appeals, they staged faux police briefings.  Clarence was always with them, but never a serving or even ex, police officer from the PJ endorsing them.   
 
John McCann gave a lot away in a self congratulatory interview, though many of us didn't realise it at the time.  He confirmed, with glee it must be said, that not only had Team McCann gone rogue, but they expected the PJ to praise them for it, a tick in the 'shows initiative box'.   The McCanns had already decided that the PJ weren't up to the job, so they would do it themselves. 
 
Bizarrely, the McCanns conducting their own investigation, never attracted the comment it should have.  Instead of being criticised for taking the law into their hands, they were praised by the British establishment and media as heroic.  As if suspects looking for a stranger to pin the crime on, and not co-operating with the police, was the most the natural thing the world, rather than the obstruction of justice that it was.
 
There was never any real possibility that Madeleine had been taken out of PDL, but the idea that she might have been, sold millions of newspapers and planted an irrational fear among the public, that will never go away. The case of missing Madeleine has demonstrated just how rare child abduction is, if anything it proved there was no necessity for a specialised team of child rescuers on standby should such a similar abduction occur in the future.  A dream of Jim Gamble, who is sure he could have done so much more.  
 
Making Madeleine's search global was a major achievement for the marketing arm of Team McCann.  They somehow convinced the watching world that they too should be looking for Madeleine, even if they lived thousands of miles and several continents away.  Holiday makers were urged to put up posters wherever they travelled, and the truly devoted bought holiday packs with prayer cards and luggage tags.  
 
There is a sadness about parents looking for their lost child, parents who return again and again, to the place their child went missing.  Still putting up posters. still showing photographs and still begging the police for information.  But other than the first few weeks, that never happened with  Gerry and Kate.  They rely on others to put the posters etc, up for them.  Do they phone the PJ regularly to see if there are any updates?  Do they return to PDL, out of sight of the media?  do they have masses said in the small church that became their sanctuary?
 
Some might still say, Gerry and Kate were right to be wary of the Portuguese police, some might say they had good reason to be hostile towards them, but ultimately, they were the McCanns best hope of getting their daughter back.   Refusing to cooperate with the detectives searching for your daughter, is unfathomable to most people, they would put the fate of their child above any fears they may have for themselves.  
 
Madeleine being taken out of the country was actually the least likely scenario, but for Gerry and Kate it was the most likely - on the night she disappeared and in the weeks that followed.  What parent goes on a European tour, leaving their toddlers in the same place their older sister was taken from, and knowing the body of their child could be found at any time in the place they just flew out of? 
 
A global search was never necessary, yet Gerry and Kate convinced the world it was.  11 years on, we can see how bizarre the actions of the parents were in their conviction that Madeleine had been taken out of the country, and how blaming the police for not closing the borders is just about all they have to blame on the police.  Their allegations of incompetence, dressing badly and having long boozy lunches are not the reason for the first investigation coming to a halt. 
 
The first investigation ended because it couldn't go any further without the co-operation of the main players, ie, the McCanns and their tapas friends.  The search for Madeleine in Portugal was officially over.  The worst result possible for parents of missing child.  Not for Gerry and Kate however, who could now officially take over the investigation, and feed the press anything they wanted.  They even demanded the files of Leicester police, but happily their demands were thrown out by a Judge. 
 
Despite the fact that Gerry and Kate could at any time, have asked for the Portuguese to re-open their files, they chose not to.  Instead they appealed directly to the British Prime Minister for a Review, not by the sardine munching Portuguese police, but by a panel sympathetic to their good characters, their professions and their British and Celtic roots.  A panel that would lift the horrible little cloud of suspicion left by the disgruntled ex Detective.  
 
I suspect for the Portuguese Judiciary, the opening of the British doors with Operation Grange, offered them a way to re-open that interrupted investigation.  The Tapas group were out of their jurisdiction, safely home in the UK and out of their reach - they couldn't interrogate them, nor could they put pressure on them, only a British force could do that.   

 

99 comments:

  1. Wonderful article Rosalinda, you nailed it.
    There is really nothing more to be said except that the parents orchestrated the greatest cover-up in history at the expense of their dead daughter.
    How sad is that.

    Father Pacheco the priest in PDl that Kate McCann went to confession knows the truth but we will never find out. Maybe the Pope knows but is bound by the Catholic oath of silence never to reveal it.
    One great relief was that the Vatican soon took the McCann's blog off their website when the Vatican tumbled to what the parents sick game really was.

    But even that has not stopped the daring duo from fighting on all fronts; to conceal the death of their daughter, and what is obvious to the whole world for their own personal survival.
    jc

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    1. Anonymous16 April 2018 at 03:27
      (jc)

      ''Wonderful article Rosalinda, you nailed it.''

      Hold the front page.High praise indeed coming from one of the internet's more 'eccentric' detectives...

      '' the parents orchestrated the greatest cover-up in history at the expense of their dead daughter.How sad is that.''

      Is that a rhetorical question ? If you can show us the evidence that makes that bombshell true, we can answer you.

      ''Father Pacheco the priest in PDl that Kate McCann went to confession knows the truth but we will never find out.''

      How did you find out then ? So we can add a priest to the cover up team now can we ?

      ''. Maybe the Pope knows but is bound by the Catholic oath of silence never to reveal it.''

      That Pope's gone now.He was the head of the Catholic Church by the way.Like the current one is.Shall we add the last one or both to the cover up team ?

      ''One great relief was that the Vatican soon took the McCann's blog off their website when the Vatican tumbled to what the parents sick game really was.''

      Can you offer anything to back up that assertion?

      ''But even that has not stopped the daring duo from fighting on all fronts; ''

      I think you're confusing them for Batman and Robin.

      ''to conceal the death of their daughter, and what is obvious to the whole world for their own personal survival.''

      What excuse do the Popes have, or the Priest.They didn't need to conceal anything to 'survive' .

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    2. "Wonderful article Rosalinda, you nailed it."

      Nailed what jc?

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    3. @ 15:45

      Now, now 13:45. This threads only a few hours old and already replies are being(cough) 'edited' to jc.Whatever next.Tweeters are already having a good old chortle among themselves :)

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    4. Many thanks JC, I often wonder if my musings connect with my readers, it's all part of the self loathing lol, so it is great to hear when they hit the spot.

      As much fun as it is winding up the embittered and the malcontents, their whining comments can be draining. I just wish they had someone, anyone, who could put together a cohesive argument for the defence. I want to be persuaded the parents had nothing to do with their daughter's disappearance, it would restore a great deal of my faith in humanity. I want to know what it is that convinces those who write in here so regularly that an abduction occurred? I have spoken often about my 'turning points' what were their's?

      You always help the musing JC, many thanks.

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    5. Lol, goodness me, how paranoid are you? I don't have the technology to edit comments, or if I do, I don't know how to use it, ha ha.

      My blog is run along the principles of laissez faire, it is what it is, and I'm happy with that. I have no idea what is in my post box or in what order it will arrive, that's the fun part.

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    6. Re: HOW MADELEINE WENT GLOBAL

      Hello Rosalinda

      A very clear and concise account of the whole process, that has led to the Madeleine case still being discussed by people all around the world.

      Even many of the so called antis silently seem to agree to what you say.

      As for earlier discussions (mentioned now as well) about what Operation Grange are doing, I still wonder about and question their silence. Of course investigative work by police authorities cannot be accessible to everyone, before it's completed or shelved.

      Anyway Rosalinda I've far less confidence in the SY/Met and all of their operations than you've, but I'm still waiting with exicitement for their final report, which, if there will be any, may, as you've suggested, be published in Portugal by the Portugues PJ.




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    7. "I want to know what it is that convinces those who write in here so regularly that an abduction occurred? I have spoken often about my 'turning points' what were their's?"

      Maybe we just tend to believe the police. After all, they have seen all the evidence first hand, spoken with all known witnesses, and visited the crime scene - something that you, Bjorn, JC and JJ will never have the opportunity to do. Like it or not the police have a little more experience than you in these things.

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    8. Björn16 April 2018 at 21:05

      You're excited waiting for the final report presented by the teams you have no confidence in ? How does that even work ? I'd advise you to calm down and not to build your hopes up.Nothing will be revealed that we haven't read already online or seen on the TV news.They won't name anyone because if they did they'd have to say why they did nothing and still requested funding.Nor will it admit that they were knowingly wasting time and money.Where everything is right now is it where it will be when any reports are completed.

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    9. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton16 April 2018 at 20:27

      ''I just wish they had someone, anyone, who could put together a cohesive argument for the defence. I want to be persuaded the parents had nothing to do with their daughter's disappearance, it would restore a great deal of my faith in humanity. ''

      The defence ? Of who ?Was that a Freudian slip ? So this blog you pretend is one inviting all points of view for a discussion of the case is in fact just another kangaroo court after all...

      A good starting point for a cohesive argument suggesting an abduction is that Madeleine vanished from the apartment.That's what the parents told the police, and they haven't found her.The absence of any tangible evidence ( finger prints, foot prints, DNA ) of a possible abductor suggests that that abductor was cautious enough to evade detection and that any childless couple or burglar wouldn't have been so meticulous.That further suggests that it was planned.The apartment was perfect inasmuch as it was the closest to the road and it was left accessible nightly and that no adults or baby sitters were present.The parents have nothing to defend beyond their bad decision to leave the apartment accessible and the children vulnerable.

      Those who have taken that as signs of them being guilty of murdering their child then dumping her body like garbage need the cohesive argument to back it up.Those who suggest that Madeleine had died following a fall or overdose and prompted the parents not to begin an elaborate plan to move and store the body in turns before burying it also need a cohesive argument.Those who suggest that barking dogs evidence being discarded as invalid need to say why the scientists would do that if it was valid.Those who say scientists discarding blood and DNA evidence as invalid need to present a cohesive argument s to why thy would do that.Those who believe that the child's corpse was secreted in a coffin awaiting cremation need evidence that supports that. Those who believe the coffin theory sits well with the theory that she was later carried in the boot of a hire car after being taken from a fridge need to make that alone sound cohesive.Finally, those who believe one or all of these creative scenarios have to explain why they think they can hold water without accusing UK politicians and UK police of corruption.

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    10. Hello Anon16 April 2018 at 22:37
      "Where everything is right now is it where it will be when any reports are completed"

      Yes, I'm afraid you're right.

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  2. ''That such an abduction has never happened before in the history of the world, was brushed aside''

    lol

    I can see why you have the idea you'e the font of all knowledge now.The history of the world no less.Shall we take it you won't be using the Needham case once this picks up then .That will be a nice change.

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  3. ''Despite the fact that Gerry and Kate could at any time, have asked for the Portuguese to re-open their files, they chose not to.''

    The PJ could have opened them with or without their request if they wanted to or thought it might yield something of substance.

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  4. ''The Tapas group were out of their jurisdiction, safely home in the UK and out of their reach - they couldn't interrogate them, nor could they put pressure on them, only a British force could do that. ''

    But have they? Have they (MET op.Grange) really done anything other than REVIEW and INVESTIGATE the 'pile of files'

    Have they (the Met) actually, fully investigated and had analysed what the Gaspars statements reveal?

    What happens as the fast approach to 3rd May & eleven years.

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    1. I'd say they've examined every file that was useless before they were put together.That's why nothing's happened.If it didn't happen before, why would the same useless files throw something up now ? You can replace OgGwith someone else, then someone else.If the evidence is what it always was( non existent ) the cycle continues.It isn't personnel that will change anything, it's evidence.

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    2. We don't know what Operation Grange are doing 05:53, they aren't telling us anything.

      But such is life, when you go to work each day, you are expected to do something. The idea that they have been sitting around doing nothing for 7 years is ludicrous. And to get more funding they would have to prove they are doing something, and that they have an end goal.

      At some point, all the money that has been spent on this investigation will have to be accounted for, there is simply no way there is some covert cover up going on.

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    3. They only have to prove it to the Home Office.In theory.But it was their decision to fund it anyway.They made it a politically sensitive issue for some reason.But, if i'm wrong-which I doubt- one day we'll see every penny accounted for.Then we'll see pixies at the bottom of the garden.

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  5. Rosalinda

    “I can understand why people would want to comfort the parents by agreeing that their hopes of rescuing Madeleine are feasible, but is it really a good idea to feed an obvious delusion? And what kind of sick minds came up with an image of Madeleine with brown skin?”

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    “released by British police”

    3 November 2009

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/nov/03/madeleine-mcann-dark-skinned-image

    ‘An image presenting Madeleine McCann as a six-year-old with dark skin and dark hair was released by British police last night in a "viral" internet video aimed at coaxing fresh information from the friends, family and associates of her abductors.

    The image is intended to show what she might look like if she had been held captive in southern Europe, Africa or the Middle East. It features alongside another new visualisation of her as pale and blond in a minute-long video which the Home Office's Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop) hopes will be so widely posted on internet blogs, social networking sites and Twitter that it becomes the top item if anyone searches for "Madeleine".

    Detectives believe people who know Madeleine's location regularly search her name online to trace developments in the investigation and police tactics. Madeleine went missing in May 2007 while on holiday with her family in Praia da Luz, Portugal.
    The video will be translated into seven languages including Arabic, and is due to be launched today in the Middle East by a police general in the United Arab Emirates. Police said they were not acting on new information in deciding to darken her skin. "We are using our network around the world to launch a viral message at one person," said Jim Gamble, head of Ceop. "That is the person who knows or strongly suspects they know who was involved in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. The message is aimed at prompting the conscience of the individual who is keeping that secret."’

    “This video is no longer available.”

    It is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=979u-xbPHrQ

    0:29 Jim Gamble: “Madeleine is now six years old.”

    How could he possibly know that for a fact if he doesn’t know where she is?

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    1. ''0:29 Jim Gamble: “Madeleine is now six years old.”

      How could he possibly know that for a fact if he doesn’t know where she is?''

      It's just very basic maths.It was three years after she was three years old.

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    2. Age progression images, blurry CCTV images, Brown skin, Purple hair..yad yada yada......

      The investigation exhausted all those red herrings years ago.It kept the investigation front and centre.It put some extra bread on the tables of those scurrying about the mainstream media.What was left to invent ? Dave Edgar drew upon a few documentaries and relatively recent(then) tales of imprisoned women being held chained up in basements and gambled that we would remember the same and treat his nonsense as a probability.Just when we thought the creative department had been sent packing we now get this bizarre idea.it's supporting the childless couple theory( ergo alive) and using the skin colour to cover the 'really far away' idea.Addressing this with some common sense exposes it's silliness...

      If you are of the Brown skin persuasion living in Arab lands and you were prepared to steal a child that wouldn't draw attention, you would steal one with brown skin /black hair.It wouldn't even have to be from Arab lands or anywhere in Africa.Brazil would be a sensible gamble for one.But to go to a country where the native skin colour is a shade darker than caucasian and hair is generally dark or black only to spot a little girl with classic Nordic features - pale, blonde, blue -eyed, is beyond a joke.I remember one of the regilar halfwit commentators trying to sell this kind of nonsense a few years ago, suggesting they[abductors] could dye her hair, skin and even eyes. Yes, do all that rather than steal a dark skinned child.I'm not sure who was pushing that idea.It may have been Mark Williams.It sounds his kind of gibberish.I could be wrong.

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    3. Many thanks for that 08:39, it was a bizarre indeed that a group of adults could design a campaign in such appalling bad taste. If someone blackfaced my missing child, I'd knock their block off.

      I remember as a young mum watching Quincy on TV and weeping buckets. The investigators had made an age progressed image of a mother's missing child. It was the first time I had seen this technology and I was traumatised. I am a sensitive soul, and it may have been my own hormones, but I felt every pain the fictional mum felt. The image of what her child would have looked like, brought home the enormity of her loss and my heart broke for her.

      It was one of those incidents that stay with you for life, and although time has mellowed my more intense emotions, I still remember how it made me feel.

      No matter my feelings for the McCanns, I still felt overwhelming sympathy, for Kate especially, when those images were produced. I expected the press conference on the release of those picture, to be exceptionally emotional, but it wasn't. And I couldn't fathom how Kate could look at those pictures without breaking down. And I was horrified towards the end of that interview, when Gerry is visibly trying to suppress his laughter. It chilled me to the bone.

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    4. "And I was horrified towards the end of that interview, when Gerry is visibly trying to suppress his laughter. It chilled me to the bone."

      I checked the video. I don't see what you see.

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    5. Well said 19:07, the childless couple scenario has never been logical, how do you blend a 4 year old into an existing family? Expanding the search to the Middle East, by creating a 'brown' Maddie, may have been a genius marketing move, but it was in horrendous taste. Did they seriously believe Madeleine was now part of a Latino or Asian family, or were they expanding the fund raising?

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    6. 14:30

      "would be", not "is"

      It was three years after she disappeared. That's just very basic maths.

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    7. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton16 April 2018 at 19:36

      ''I remember as a young mum watching Quincy on TV and weeping buckets...and I was traumatised...It was one of those incidents that stay with you for life..''

      It was an episode from a TV series.OK get caught up in a moment but when the commercials arrive sort yourself out.No wonder you rely so heavily on TV and movies for drawing ideas surrounding this case.

      ''No matter my feelings for the McCanns, I still felt overwhelming sympathy, for Kate especially, when those images were produced.''

      What do you mean by 'whatever my feelings for the McCanns' ? Where did the sympathy for Kate come from if you were inwardly accusing her of burying her child then lying about it ?

      '' I was horrified towards the end of that interview, when Gerry is visibly trying to suppress his laughter. It chilled me to the bone.''

      See ? Were back to those old TV references again. You're hoping that by juxtaposing the enormity of the loss and the apparent coldness of Kate and evil streak in Gerry,their guilt will finally hit home to any doubters.It might for a few but they're gullible.Those of us who can distinguish between real events and TV episodes see things without feeling the need to write the ending ourselves or guess it and tell everyone else.You're entrapped by your imagination as firmly as the actual case.

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    8. The official line is that she's alive.So 'is' would be right wherever she may be.

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    9. “There is always the potential that she didn’t leave the apartment alive.” Redwood said.

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    10. That chestnut is so old I'm surprised it hasn't disintegrated. Potential means it was possible.Not that she did.it's an acknowledgement that all scenarios have to be entertained.had there been evidence that could survive cross examination in a trial that there had been a death, the word 'potential' cold possibly be elevated to 'likelihood'.But there wasn't that evidence so it wasn't.

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  6. Hola ,sie siem leo su blok y desde hace más de siete años ,me he leído todo,asta el libro de asta que se sepa la verdad y mordaza inglesa llegaron cómo regalo a mis manos ,desde Europa. Estuve bievie una entrevista ,una de las ultúlti a los padres de Madeleine donde siguen sosteniendo el rapto de la pequeña.luego veo una entrevista a un ser creo que abogado o representante de los Mccan en Portugal,junt j a otras dos personas quienes defienden la teoría de rapto y la incompetencia de la policía Portuguesa,y no veo a nadie en esa entrevista que defienda la teoría ,basada en pruebas concluyentes de que Madeleine desaparecio la primer semana de mayo, porq también pienso que no tiene porqué haber sido de noche ,ni el tres ,yo creo que lo que haya sido que pasó ,no fue denoche,mi pregunta es .en los integrantes de los tapas 9.existia algún médico ,y de ser así quien era.pudo Madi haber dufrisu un accidente producto de quién sabe que,aalguien haberla sacado de allí ,asistirla mal erida ,que allá pasado algo y no haber abordado bien la cituacion y dar luego la antigua de muerte ,cuando k,se entera da la alarma desgarrada y ahí surge todo esto que se fue de las manos.eso es una especulación.un placer leer su blok ,salu sal

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    1. Can't argue with that,13:02

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  7. "THB 2012 Report

    Presumed Victims of Trafficking (VoT)
    CHILDREN
    During 2012, 39 children were flagged as Presumed VoT: one case was registered by an NGO and 2 presumed VoT
    were already classified as “Non-confirmed” (smuggling and robbery) after criminal investigation. Additional data
    related to these cases is protected by statistical secrecy.

    There are still 36 registers referring to children under Investigation.
    A brief description of the main types of exploitation (Labour and Sexual) is observed on Tables 6 and 7.

    Table 6

    Children: Presumed VoT for Labour Exploitation (Coercion to the practice of thefts and other)
    31
    Sexual Exploitation
    4"
    https://ec.europa.eu/anti-trafficking/sites/antitrafficking/files/annual_report_on_trafficking_in_human_beings_2012_1.pdf

    Observatory on Trafficking in Human Beings
    (OTSH)
    Directorate
    Lisbon
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    Note: Additional data related to these cases is protected by statistical secrecy.

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  8. You need reminding ( again) Ros, that just because there's something you haven't heard of,it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.Perhaps if these baffling mysteries are a puzzle to you, you could do half an hour researching it or pay attention to the occasional link your readers post.

    You find it outrageous that the McCanns thought Madeleine would have been whisked away from the tiny PDL rather than linger there surrounded by detectives and sniffer dogs.If you had stolen something( or someone) valuable and knew it would prompt a huge search, would you rather be under their noses or as far away as possible ? Your theory about where 'most' children are eventually found is one that needs a source.Besides, most doesn't equal all.

    You claim it's 'strange' that they were wanting the search expanded ( or as you want everyone to believe-taken away from PDL).But it's not strange to you that they weren't discussing the statistical odds that you're trying to sell here.The local residents would still be searching PDL along with the police.The PJ would have needed to call on more manpower to expand the search as well as alerting borders.

    Your stretching with the 'who would push past a cot' theory.It was addressed on your most recent thread.

    ''The astonishing part of this (imaginary) happy ever after fairy tale, is the fact that the government, the British police and the media ran with it''

    What happy ending ? Theorizing she was still alive isn't a fairy tale.It's what she is, according to the investigation, until otherwise is discovered.You find it pleasurable to put the parents wishful thinking down.You should at least try to disguise that streak.

    ''The Portuguese Authorities approached the investigation with calm and logic. Most missing children turn up safe and sound. ''
    So Amaral suspected the parents had buried the body in his calm logic.Most isn't all.Playing percentages is ok for casinos, not human life.

    ''We can only imagine the astonishment of Goncalo Amaral and his team watching Gerry and Kate visit the Pope''

    That would be Amaral, the devout Catholic would it.

    If you insist that people are delusional to keep the parents spirits up, what do you consider it is to promote endless unfounded allegations that can't be supported by anyone or anything ?

    You say every abduction theory leads to the ludicrous.Where do theories like the child being hidden in a coffin with a corpse, then a fridge, then in a well, then in a car boot lead ? The internet.

    You still keep the Governments man out of your weird propaganda efforts.He dropped his job to become head of all things media.Yet you only name the McCanns.

    tbc...

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      ''Those of us unfortunate enough to become entrapped by this mystery, remember all too well the hysteria and lunacy this high profile crime unleashed.''

      Yes, entrapped like flies that jumped on to the world wide web.That's where the lunacy and hysteria was carved in stone.The tabloid were all online by then and they know their audience.

      ''Bizarrely, the McCanns conducting their own investigation, never attracted the comment it should have. ''

      Comments like that ? You must have missed that SY got involved PDQ. So whatever their opinions of the PJ it was in SYs hands too.If you lost a child would you just sit by and do nothing ?You always accuse them of not searching.Now you accuse them of conducting their own investigation.You can't have both. Why were they investigating if they knew they had committed the crime by the way ?

      ''There was never any real possibility that Madeleine had been taken out of PDL''

      Why ?

      ''The case of missing Madeleine has demonstrated just how rare child abduction is''

      It hasn't.There are a few crimes that are rare but still they take place.Where's your logic ?

      You look at the 'going global' strategy as a cynical ploy.That's because of your irrational feelings towards the McCanns.Others see it as a positive utilising of available platforms as well as imprinting Madeleine's image on as many people world wide as possible should they see her.

      ''Madeleine being taken out of the country was actually the least likely scenario''

      Why ?

      ''A global search was never necessary, yet Gerry and Kate convinced the world it was''

      What about SY and OG ? Who convinced them to globetrot ?
      The negative image of the PJ and lunches came from Portugal's spokesman.He said they were inventing leaks and lying for free long lunches from the media.

      The investigation is a joint investigation ( UK and Portugal).If the Tapas group were made official suspects they aren't out of the jurisdiction of the UK.

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  9. @ Anonymous 13.02


    1. Jane Tanner e o seu marido, Russell O'Brien, eram amigos íntimos dos McCann. Isso significa que ela nunca poderia ser uma testemunha independente.
    2. No dia 13 de Maio, domingo, ela estava absolutamente certa de que o homem que ela alegava ter visto a transportar um embrulho ou uma criança, por volta das 9h15 da noite de dia 3 de Maio, quinta-feira, era Robert Murat. Esta identificação feita por Jane Tanner foi uma das principais razões para que Murat fosse chamado a depor dois dias depois (18).
    3. Tornou-se claro, desde então, que horas antes de ela ser colocada numa carrinha, pela PJ, de forma a se poder verificar se ela conseguiria identificar o homem que alegava ter visto, ela foi contactada por um oficial superior da polícia de Leicestershire, o Superintendente-Chefe Bob Small e dois elementos de uma empresa de segurança financiada pelo governo britânico, a Control Risk Group (22). É razoável suspeitar que estas três pessoas tenham exercido influência sobre Jane Tanner, por forma a levá-la a fazer a falsa alegação de que teria 'reconhecido' Robert Murat.
    4. Gonçalo Amaral, no seu livro, refere a súbita chegada a Portugal de um largo número de funcionários do governo britânico, da polícia e de pessoal ligado a serviços de segurança – diplomatas do ministério dos Negócios Estrangeiros, elementos da polícia de Leicestershire, da Scotland Yard, do MI5, do Special Branch, da National Police Improvement Agency, do CEOP e do Control Risk Group. Gonçalo Amaral refere concretamente o seguinte, no seu livro (18):

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    “Os profilers ingleses são formais: há 90% de hipóteses de Murat ser o raptor de Madeleine”
    “Os profilers ingleses, que assistiram ao primeiro interrogatório de Robert Murat, continuam a trabalhar, justamente, no seu perfil (…) os profilers acabam por definir o perfil de Robert Murat. Com uma forte probabilidade, de 90%, será ele o responsável pelo rapto de Madeleine.”

    FIM DE CITAÇÃO

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    1. Welcome 13:02 and 19:26. I am itching to know what you are saying, but can you say it English please or provide us with a translation? It would be much appreciated.

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    2. Hello

      Anonymous16 April 2018 at 13:02
      Anonymous16 April 2018 at 19:26

      Hello Rosalinda, I hope you don't mind me asking for help with the translations of the above posts.

      I'd be glad to translate any post written here in german or french, into readable if not perfect english.Of course you may be more familiar with these languages than I'm.

      Anyway there may be people out there with interesting ideas, who prefer to write in their own language, but don't comment, because they think that they are not allowed to do so, or think that they won't be read by so many. So why not encourage that.Just an idea Rosalinda.

      AN APPEAL TO ANNE GUEDES

      I know you sometimes comment on Rosalinda's blog Anne,so, if you're still reading it, I'm sure many here would appreciate if you could translate these two posts into english.

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    3. Thank you Bjorn, you were the first to come to mind. I'm a little sceptical now however, as I have received two more. As I don't know what they say, I'm not going to publish them.

      The two that are here, I may delete but I'll wait and see if anyone can translate.

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    4. Rosalinda,

      In short:

      13:02 (Spanish) always enjoys reading your blog and asks a question about one of the Tapas 9 doctors.

      19:26 (Portuguese) responds to 13:02

      NL

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    5. Ros, £110,000 is not the size of budget that would suggest that OG has incriminating evidence that is going to blow the McCanns innocence out the water. If they held that sort of evidence, I can assure you that there would not be such a constraining budget imposed on them. It's a sum that will get you maybe two middle ranking police officers, phone bills and travel expenses (all costs including the time costs of police officers will be included in the budget). This unit is now focused on following up current sightings of Madeleine and looking at persons of interest who may have been on the periphery of the initial investigation, hoping to find some lead.

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    6. It costs nothing to make arrests anyway. Evidence is all that's needed, not cash.If they didn't ask for funding, some nimrod online would 'expose' it and suggest the investigation isn't really happening ergo,they know what(really) happened.So they do the dance ;request, receive, continue.Then the online torch wavers can read it as a 'they must have something'. Every year.

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    7. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton16 April 2018 at 22:17

      I assume that the overseas posters can speak English and read it as they're joining in the discussion.But they choose to post in their native tongue ? Strange. What about Google translate ?

      Maybe this would be of use for your blog.

      https://www.theedublogger.com/2014/06/23/how-to-add-a-google-translate-widget-to-your-blog/

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    8. Thank you NL and thank you to the translator, much appreciated. I do have google translate on the blog 23:48, but sadly, I can't figure out how to use it myself....

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    9. LOL 22:30, do you even believe that yourself?

      So £100k+ is not enough to fund an investigation etc. The police told us a couple of years back that the majority of the work was done, hence they reduced OG from 30+ detectives to 'a handful'.

      What you forget 22:30, is that PJ are the lead detectives, it is they who must arrest or instigate any arrests, the crime comes under Portuguese jurisdiction.

      There was always going to come a point, where the ball would be back in their court, and I imagine that's where we are now. All the evidence they have collected will form part of the Portuguese prosecution, if there is one.

      It may be that OG are investigating crimes that have been committed here in the UK, or suspects who are British. I can't really see any other reason for them to be involved.

      This case may involve several crimes in the UK, separate from whatever happened in PDL that night and crimes that fall under British jurisdiction. But we just don't know, that's why this case remains so intriguing.

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    10. It's only intriguing if we use the same amount of imagination you have in that paragraph.The question of jurisdiction won't arise if any of the McCanns or Tapas group are suspects.The PJ could call on the other half of the joint investigation(UK) to make arrests. Would the parents or friends remain in the UK as a safe haven from arrest in Portugal ?That would be tantamout to admitting guilt and any eventual trial would naturally bias a jury against them.

      Everything points to a phantom investigation.The time taken, the lack of results and the money spent to give an impression of it being valid.They just won't(or aren't allowed to) call time on it.If the parents /Tapas group have been receiving protection ( ie, evidence of their involvement destroyed or deemed invalid) that isn't going to change is it ? It would defeat the object of the last eleven years.If Madeleine was procured for somebody /people who hold power in some high office, or hold secrets of others who do, then the same goes.The alternative, weaker theory of a random abductor won't be concluded unless the abductor cracks and confesses.That would have happened by now.

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    11. Anonymous 16 April at 23:48

      It is much easier to comprehend or to read a foreign language than to speak or to write it.

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  10. Buenas tardes, perdón por la manera de escribir,mil disculpas.Bueno yo tengo mi pensamiento de lo que pudo ocurrir el día en que dicen que desapareció,que tampoco se sabe a ciencia cierta ,ni el día ,ni la hora.Pero creo que sea lo que sea que allá ocurrido ese día,me inclino por la muerte tristemente de la pequeña,por las evidencias que se recogieron y que muchos de los que no aceptan o quieren incubrir ,le dan cero credibilidad.la pequeña pudo enfermar, pudo caer o quién sabe en el peor de los casos.Creo que algo pudo no ser abordado de alguna forma y que pudo alguien llevarla viva pero mal,a algun lugar fuera del apartamento,cómo por ejemplo a otra casa,y algún médico. y que la señora K, sabiendo la situación estuviera en espera de alguna noticia,ya alertados todos los amigos ,allí en esa reunión esperarían la peor noticia.alli daría la alerta la señora K.Y de ahí se monta todo lo que ya sabemos.una especulación más de tantas.Pero yo creo que la niña salio viva,asta que luego tristemente no. Todo especulaciónes.un abrazo .

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    1. (translated, more or less)

      Good afternoon, sorry for the way of writing, a thousand excuses. Well I have my thoughts on what could have happened the day they say that she disappeared, that is not known for sure, neither the day, nor the time. But I think that whatever it is what happened that day, I bow for the sad death of the little one, for the evidences that was collected and that many of those who do not accept or want to incubate, give zero credibility. The little one could get sick, could fall or who knows in the worst case. I think something could not be addressed in any way and that someone could take her alive but badly, to some place outside the apartment, like for example to another house, and some doctor. and that Mrs. K, knowing the situation was waiting for some news, already alerted all the friends, there in that meeting would wait for the worst news. All the warning would be given by Mrs. K, hence everything that we already know, more than many. But I think the girl came out alive, but then sadly not. All speculation. a hug.

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  11. Lamentablemente,sin cuerpo no hay prueba,ni culpables, porque los padres escondería un cuerpo? Seguramente porque tendrán que esconder algo más junto con el.que puede ser eso de lo que no se podía descubrir? No hay cuerpo ,no hay evidencia ,ese es el misterio ,no que la pequeña infelisminfe ya no está,sino que también cuál fue el motivo y porque esconder ese motivo?esto es triste ,pobre Madi , ojalá algún día si alguien esconde un secreto , que se quite ese peso y que hablara.solo así se podrá saber la verdad.sea cual sea.

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    1. (translated, approximately)

      Unfortunately, without a body there is no proof, nor guilty, because why would parents hide a body? Surely because they will have to hide something else along with what can be that which could not be discovered? There is no body, there is no evidence, that is the mystery, not that the little girl is no longer there, but also what was the reason and why hide that reason? This is sad, poor Maddie, hopefully someday if someone hides a secret, that you remove that weight and talk. Only then you can know the truth. Whatever.

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    2. If one or both parents killed her in a moment of madness, or if she had died by accident ( the two favourite theories on sale via any internet platform overrun with nutty antis), and if, as suggested on this very blog, Madeleine being taken away from PDL is seen as ludicrous, then we have to them consider a few things.How long it would take to clean up any evidence.How the parents could quickly convince 7 of their party to all help fabricate an abduction theory that could land them all in prison if the child was actually found, and how the parents, who had been there no more than a few days, would have the kind of intimate knowledge of a foreign town, in the dark, that gave them the kind of confidence needed to be able to confidently choose a hiding place that would be surrounded by residents and police, yet fool them all.Then they'd have to get back to the apartment and begin the performance. The whole idea makes no sense at all .In order to buy into it you have to completely suspend common sense, logic, and any critical eye .They came up with all of that on the spot, executed it to perfection and have gotten away with it for eleven years ?Everyone in that small but busy resort closed their eyes until they had made a run for it.So. we're left with the desperate arguments advanced about the Smithman sighting and various efits.Even if one had any relevance to the scenario it would still need the main parts of it explaining-and it couldn't be.It still can't be.Neither can the convenient Fridge storage theory.Not only was Madeleine too big to fit in one, it wouldn't stop decomposition or odour. Where was the fridge hidden ?

      Yet, a defence of an abduction needs a 'cohesive argument' according to our blog host.

      ( shakes head)

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  12. "In 2013, the Portuguese monitoring system flagged 308 possible victims of THB,
    including 299 national and foreign citizens in Portugal (49 minors and 250 adults) and 9
    national citizens (adults) abroad.
    Compared to 2012 (the year in which 125 possible
    victims were flagged), there was an increase in the total number of identifications in
    2013, influenced by cases flagged in Portugal, and a decrease in instances of trafficking
    of Portuguese people abroad."
    http://www.transcrime.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/THB_CoopToFight.pdf

    Chapter VII for Portugal

    (THB = Trafficking in Human Beings)

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  13. Anonymous at 14:41

    http://www.bishopaccountability.org/news2007/09_10/2007_09_16_Smith_DitchedBy.htm

    "IF anything is to shake the McCanns' unswerving Catholic faith, it must be the Pope ditching them from the Vatican website."

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    1. Good post 21:27

      I overlooked that slant.The Vatican have 'looked after their own' for years.And we know what 'their own' have been exposed to be.That they don't want to support the McCanns, therefore, would suggest that they don't consider the McCanns as one of theirs in need of sheltering. Paradoxically, the church is lack of conviction is a vote of confidence in them :)

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  14. "There really isn't anything more to be said." And there wasn't. Done to death (sorry) already. Struggling?

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  15. After nearly eleven years of confusion and speculation there's still no-one that's come up with where Madeleine actually is.

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  16. "A total of 16 foreign nationals suspected of belonging to a sophisticated organised crime network have been remanded in police custody on suspicion of aiding illegal immigration and mistreating minors, among other crimes, the office of Lisbon’s Public prosecutor (PGDL) announced this week.

    The suspects had allegedly developed a highly dangerous organised activity, which they had carried out in Portugal. as well as internationally since 2009, travelling around and using the property of third parties.
    On 11 October, a joint statement from the GNR and SEF said that “the group demonstrated a great capacity for organisation and mobility,” adding that the leaders of the organisation “travelled in high-powered cars used to transport the women to carry out illegal acts.”
    Outside of the capital, the criminal network operated in the Fátima Sanctuary, downtown Oporto, Braga and the Algarve.

    The leaders of this organisation gained high profits from the criminal activities, maintaining a network of houses where they gave the appearance of living as families with children, but in reality, the children were left in a state of complete abandonment, without medical care or adequate food, allegedly living in a state of suffering and hunger.
    During searches to the houses, the authorities identified 30 children without documents. It is suspected that the children were used to carry out various crimes. They have now been taken into care."
    http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/major-human-trafficking-ring-dismantled/27005

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    1. "A total of 16 foreign nationals suspected of belonging to a sophisticated organised crime network have been remanded in police custody on suspicion of aiding illegal immigration and mistreating minors, among other crimes, the office of Lisbon’s Public prosecutor (PGDL) announced this week.

      The suspects had allegedly developed a highly dangerous organised activity, which they had carried out in Portugal. as well as internationally since 2009, travelling around and using the property of third parties.
      On 11 October, a joint statement from the GNR and SEF said that “the group demonstrated a great capacity for organisation and mobility,” adding that the leaders of the organisation “travelled in high-powered cars used to transport the women to carry out illegal acts.”
      Outside of the capital, the criminal network operated in the Fátima Sanctuary, downtown Oporto, Braga and the Algarve.

      The leaders of this organisation gained high profits from the criminal activities, maintaining a network of houses where they gave the appearance of living as families with children, but in reality, the children were left in a state of complete abandonment, without medical care or adequate food, allegedly living in a state of suffering and hunger.
      During searches to the houses, the authorities identified 30 children without documents. It is suspected that the children were used to carry out various crimes. They have now been taken into care."
      http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/major-human-trafficking-ring-dismantled/27005

      I am not sure if you are posting this to try and link child trafficking and abuse to the maddy case , the traffickers can find venerable children for there sick needs without the trouble of stealing them , draws to much attention , there again if you allegedly abandon your kids nightly to go on the lash , i guess it would make the stealing of said kids a bit of a doddle ,

      As we have seen child abuse is rife with Asian gangs active and organised in every town and city in the UK thousands of children have and are being abused , how many children have been alegedly abducted from a hotel or home in the last eleven years err one

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    2. @ anon 21:42
      "I am not sure if you are posting this to try and link child trafficking and abuse to the maddy case"
      --------------------------------------------------

      Read the first paragraph of this blog by Ros and you may find the answer you seek.

      Because someone has "never heard" of things (a favourite ploy by Ros) doesn't mean they don't happen.

      I am not linking anything to Madeleine's disappearance.

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  17. Anonymous16 April 2018 at 14:41
    Anonymous16 April 2018 at 03:27
    (jc)

    ''Wonderful article Rosalinda, you nailed it.''

    Hold the front page.High praise indeed coming from one of the internet's more 'eccentric' detectives...

    Oh god not you again , have you ever hear of dateline

    '' the parents orchestrated the greatest cover-up in history at the expense of their dead daughter.How sad is that.''

    Is that a rhetorical question ? If you can show us the evidence that makes that bombshell true, we can answer you.

    Time will tell , its not over till that fat lady sings , or one living in Exeter

    ''Father Pacheco the priest in PDl that Kate McCann went to confession knows the truth but we will never find out.''

    How did you find out then ? So we can add a priest to the cover up team now can we ?

    Do keep up lad ,the priest admitted himself he had been deceived

    ''. Maybe the Pope knows but is bound by the Catholic oath of silence never to reveal it.''

    That Pope's gone now.He was the head of the Catholic Church by the way.Like the current one is.Shall we add the last one or both to the cover up team ?

    So the catholic church doesn't have any nasty secrets , try watching father ted i may give you a wry incite

    ''One great relief was that the Vatican soon took the McCann's blog off their website when the Vatican tumbled to what the parents sick game really was.''

    Can you offer anything to back up that assertion?

    Err the website no longer is on the Vatican's site , and backtrack to see when it was removed , and what story was in the media about the case at the time

    ''But even that has not stopped the daring duo from fighting on all fronts; ''

    I think you're confusing them for Batman and Robin.

    No probably more like Fred and Rose , or Ian and the one with the wig

    ''to conceal the death of their daughter, and what is obvious to the whole world for their own personal survival.''

    Ask the man in the street

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    1. You've just given me a long list of reasons why not to.But, if he ever takes over the investigation, I won't hesitate.

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  18. Continued by Anonymous 16 April, 19.26


    5. Tendo em conta o atrás exposto, consideramos haver provas claras de que existiu uma conspiração para acusar falsamente Robert Murat e persuadir a PJ a interrogá-lo e constituí-lo como suspeito formal, ou 'arguido'. E foi exactamente isto que aconteceu no dia 15 de Maio, terça-feira. (18)
    6. Em Outubro de 2007, os assessores dos McCann divulgaram um esboço, feito por um artista, que corresponderia ao indivíduo visto por Jane Tanner. O esboço foi desenhado por um 'artista forense', Melissa Little. A artista tinha sido contratada por um homem de negócios de Cheshire, Brian Kennedy, que dirigiu a equipa de assessores dos McCann na sua extremamente polémica investigação privada. O esboço não apresentava semelhanças com Robert Murat.
    7. Mais tarde, em Janeiro de 2008, uma notícia sobre um indivíduo com o cabelo espetado e bigode, considerado um novo 'principal suspeito' pela polícia de Leicestershire e pela equipa privada de assessores dos McCann, mereceu grande destaque em toda a Imprensa britânica. (20) (21) (22) (23) O responsável pelas relações públicas dos McCann, Clarence Mitchell (que, à data do seu desaparecimento era o chefe da Media Monitoring Unit do governo britânico) organizou uma conferência de Imprensa especial, ao estilo da polícia, para publicitar a existência deste novo suspeito. Melissa Little, mais uma vez, foi a autora do retrato-robô apresentado aos Media. Nalguns aspectos, o esboço apresentava semelhanças com o inicialmente feito, com base nas declarações de Jane Tanner. Jane Tanner também foi citada, na Imprensa britânica coo tendo afirmado que estaria '80% certa' de que o homem que teria visto no dia 3 de Maio era o mesmo homem, com o cabelo espetado e bigode. Isto, apesar de (a) ela admitir, com toda a franqueza, que não tinha chegado a ver a cara do homem no dia 3 de Maio e que (b) o homem com o cabelo espetado e bigode não apresentar qualquer semelhança com Robert Murat.
    8. Também em Janeiro de 2008, Jane Tanner admitiu que 'já não estava certa' de que o homem que teria visto no dia 3 de Maio fosse Robert Murat (29) (30) (31)
    9. Esta constatação era importante porque, nos dois dias seguintes àquele em que Robert Murat foi constituído arguido, três amigos dos McCann (Fiona Payne, Russel O'Brien e Rachel Oldfield) prestaram depoimentos à PJ, alegando terem visto Robert Murat perto do apartamento dos McCann na noite de 3 de Maio. No entanto, oito meses depois (Janeiro de 2008) todos admitiram que se 'poderiam ter enganado' (18).
    10. Outra indicação de que o depoimento de Jane Tanner era falso surgiu durante uma conferência de Imprensa organizada pela equipa privada dos McCann, em Agosto de 2009 (29). Esta conferência de Imprensa foi organizada com o objectivo de promover a mais recente teoria dos McCann, segundo a qual Madeleine teria sido raptada por uma mulher, colocada num iate que viajou de Barcelona para a Austrália. De forma a publicitar esta teoria, o responsável pela equipa de investigadores privados dos McCann, o ex-Sargento-Detective Dave Edgar afirmou que Jane Tanner poderia ter-se enganado e ter visto uma mulher a transportar a criança, e não um homem.

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      5. In light of the above, we consider there is clear evidence that there was a conspiracy to falsely accuse Robert Murat and persuade the PJ to question him and to constitute him as a formal suspect, or 'defendant'. And that is exactly what happened on May 15, Tuesday. (18)
      6. In October 2007, the McCann aides released a sketch by an artist that would correspond to the individual seen by Jane Tanner. The sketch was designed by a forensic artist, Melissa Little. The artist had been hired by a Cheshire business man, Brian Kennedy, who ran the McCann team of advisors in his highly controversial private investigation. The sketch had no resemblance to Robert Murat.
      7. Later in January 2008 a news item about a guy with spiked hair and mustache, considered a new 'prime suspect' by the Leicestershire police and the McCanns' private team of advisors, deserved prominence throughout the British Press . (20) (21) (22) (23) The McCann public relations officer, Clarence Mitchell (who, at the time of his disappearance was the head of the Media Monitoring Unit of the British Government) organized a special press conference, of the police, to publicize the existence of this new suspect. Melissa Little, once again, was the author of the portrait-robot presented to the Media. In some respects, the outline presented similarities to the one initially made, based on Jane Tanner's statements. Jane Tanner was also quoted in the British Press as saying that she would be "80% certain" that the man she would have seen on 3 May was the same man with spiky hair and a mustache. This, although (a) she admitted, quite frankly, that she had not gotten to see the man's face on May 3 and that (b) the man with the spiky hair and mustache bears no resemblance to Robert Murat .
      8. Also in January 2008, Jane Tanner admitted that she 'was no longer sure' that the man she had seen on 3 May was Robert Murat (29) (30) (31)
      9. This finding was important because, within two days of Robert Murat's arraignment, three McCann friends (Fiona Payne, Russell O'Brien and Rachel Oldfield) testified to the PJ, claiming they had seen Robert Murat near the apartment of the McCanns on the evening of 3 May. However, eight months later (January 2008) everyone admitted that they 'could have been wrong' (18).
      10. Another indication that Jane Tanner's statement was false came during a Press Conference hosted by the McCanns' private team in August 2009 (29). This press conference was organized to promote the latest theory by the McCanns that Madeleine was abducted by a woman on a yacht that traveled from Barcelona to Australia. In order to publicize this theory, the person in charge of the team of private investigators of the McCanns, former Sergeant-Detective Dave Edgar affirmed that Jane Tanner could have been deceived and to have seen a woman to carry the child, and not a man

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    2. If we were to address Murat with the same meticulous, forensic detail in which the McCanns and friends have been addressed, he ticks way more boxes in terms of being a person of interest.

      I've seen the facial expressions of the parents, and body language discussed in supposed fine detail using the principles( allegedly) of Psychology. I've seen the same discussed regarding their personal and marital history. I've seen every word of statements examined.I've read allegations of the social services involvement in their life and the mad CATS file on Gerry M ( neither proving to be anything more than malicious rumours). However, I haven't seen any of the above addressed when talking about Murat, who remains the one player to have been questioned and held as a suspect twice as many times as anyone else.Why doesn't he get dissected among the haters who say they aren't haters but 'seekers of justice for Madeleine' ? Every word, every movement, his history personal history, his history of work and adult relationships and as a parent ? The reliability of his alibi and statements ? Don't tell me, it's because 'no dogs alerted' at his car or home . case closed then.

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  19. "Unfortunately, every abduction theory leads eventually to the ludicrous. "

    How can this be the case? Many, many children have been abducted by strangers, for whatever reason.

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  20. Hi Rosalinda,
    I have just been reading the preamble to Gonzalo Amaral's Truth of the Lie and the remarks he made to his co-workers on October 2nd 2007 when they were told to get off the case but given no reasons.
    Interestingly, the collapse of the investigation happened in the exact same week that the treaty of Lisbon was being ratified by Great Britain and Portugal.

    Their bafflement was that someone of great power over them did not want to rock the boat between the two countries but they couldn't think of any reason why. The McCanns at that time were pretty small potatoes.

    Still, the McCanns seized on their amazing good fortune with both hands, thrilled at being dealt the greatest poker hand in history which they are still playing to this day.

    There was one Joker in the pack however: the one who lied about seeing an abductor walking with a child even while the father of this child chatted to a friend a few paces away without either of them ever noticing the mysterious stranger.

    What motivated this woman to lie, and potentially ruin her life if ever the lie was exposed. She was just a friend after all with no permanent bond to the McCanns. But maybe blood is thicker than water in this case and something was going on between them that we can only imagine. .
    Hopefully the Portuguese police with the help of the English police have the case under control and there will soon be a prosecution.

    As a slight side issue to show the enormous powers governments have over the common people.
    This is a reverse criminal case:

    On the 11th of November 2012 in the international criminal court at the Hague. Croatian General Ante Gotovino, an icomic figure in Croatia but nevertheless convicted of war crimes in the former Yugolavia by the Hague court was acquitted on appealing his sentence and walked free that very day - almost to the day that Croatia was admitted into the European union. Is that a coincidence or not.
    Truth is stranger than fiction.
    jc

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    1. Anon 19 April 03.44

      Even more mind blowing and totally incredulous is the fact that Jane Tanner didn't tell Kate & Gerry McCann of this "abductor" carrying a child in his arms until 3.00 a.m. because she didn't want to upset KM apparently, but was upset herself, almost tearful, when she was retelling her story to the TV cameras and inadvertently said "when I was carrying....". She didn't want to upset KM but never thought about all the hundreds of people including the police who searched all night and the days that followed 3rd May, because she didn't want to upset KM, really? Not forgetting the fact that GM had already written a 2nd timeline for the PJ before midnight which included JT's mention of a man carrying a child, hmmmm!!

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    2. You find it 'mind blowing' that a friend didn't want to upset somebody who was already in a state of sheer panic and fear for her child's whereabouts and well being. You find it equally baffling that she was tearful in front of TV cameras when trying to articulate what she remembered about the night in question.And let's not forget the slip of the tongue.Something considered acceptable and human given the circumstances but not if it's a McCann or friend of theirs. We make special exceptions for them so we can write the story...

      You find it 'mind blowing' that a friend didn't want to upset somebody who was already in a state of sheer panic and fear for her child's whereabouts and well being. You find it equally baffling that she was tearful in front of TV cameras when trying to articulate what she remembered about the night in question.And let's not forget the slip of the tongue.Something considered acceptable and human given the circumstances but not if it's a McCann, or friend of theirs. We make special exceptions for them so we can write the story...

      ''She didn't want to upset KM but never thought about all the hundreds of people including the police who searched all night and the days that followed 3rd May, because she didn't want to upset KM, really? ''

      Yes, really.None of those you mention lost their child and none of them were her friends and none of them were present as the horror was unfolding. The police don't get 'upset'. They're paid to do a job.There is no emotional connection.

      I'd like to say good effort on your part but I can't, because, as the repetitive theories of the haters go, this one's older and weaker now.It wasn't particularly strong when it was young.Some minds are very easily blown ...

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    3. Anonymous19 April 2018 at 16:52

      Maybe you should make your mind up in your eagerness to hate. If Gerry wasn't told until 3.00 am the next day how could he include it in a timeline produced by midnight?

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    4. Anonymous 19 April at 16:52

      Gerry was informed.

      Kate McCann (madeleine):

      “She [Jane Tanner] immediately reported this sighting to the police. Gerry was informed but, given the condition I was in, he did not share this development with me until the morning.”

      Not a condition that makes her want to know where her missing daughter is?

      As an aside, regarding Jane Tanner on camera, she says "he was carrying..., not "I was carrying...", although somewhat unclear.

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    5. Perhaps some of the so called 'antis'/'pros' should stop blaming/excusing Jane Tanner. Jane Tanner's being used by the McCanns. The question is: why does Tanner allow it?

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    6. @ Anonymous20 April 2018 at 16:13

      As far as I know Jane Tanner said she saw someone carrying a child. That's all.

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    7. Wow 07:58, Kate really isn't a feminist is she, lol. I, as an adult and an equal would want exactly the same information as my husband/partner, and would be insulted at being treated like a child. I have never really bought into Kate's submissive, little woman who needs to be protected act. She had the courage and strength of character to get through all those interviews without weeping. I still can't decide who is the dominant character in this folie a deux, both can and have, come out fighting.

      I personally, would have found it very hard, if not impossible, to forgive JT for not telling me. It was the biggest clue they had as to what happened to Madeleine.

      Both Gerry and Kate exploit, the 'little woman' angle, Gerry gestures towards his wife when anything 'painful' is suggested, such as returning to PDL for a reconstruction. Kate looks fawningly towards him, clinging onto his hand to physically demonstrate her dependence on him.

      As a real feminist of the Germaine Greer era, I want to tell her to stop being such a wuss. Women are not the weaker sex, except for those who want to exploit it. Fair play to them, but as role models?

      Don't get me wrong, I love strong, protective males, and go all girly and Jane Austin in their company. But these are just the romanticised codes and conventions that make life so charming.

      But in life and death situations, an adult woman and a qualified doctor, shouldn't need to be kept in the dark to protect her feelings. What most of us I think, struggle to understand is the complete jumbling up of the 5 stages of grief.

      Kate's first instinct should have been to search. Her child was missing and she was a fit, active, woman, strong enough to cover as many miles as it would take. It is not a myth that mothers get strength from somewhere when their young are in danger, and their heads become remarkably clear, the adrenalin takes over.

      I'm not sure how many stages of grief missed out, but by the middle of the night she wanted a priest, grief, and by morning she had reached acceptance. Acceptance of Jane's stupidity.

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    8. Hello JC, and thank you for your continued support. I just needed a break for a few days, and tbh, I am bored by the lacklustre and repetitive arguments put forward by the supporters, especially 'you're a hater'.

      On the people watching front I am totally gripped by what is going on in the USA. It's like watching a live version of dystopias gone horribly wrong, and we should be furiously writing warnings to future generations.

      The Madeleine case has played a huge part in the downfall of the tabloids, it opened our eyes to the corruption that goes on within 'the establishment'. Several genies have been let out of the bottle, old beliefs like 'the papers and TV broadcasters don't lie'. An underbelly has been revealed in places we would never have looked. We are asking questions of police commissioners we would never have asked before. Something changed.

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    9. ''We are asking questions of police commissioners we would never have asked before. Something changed.''

      Yes,it's called the internet.Independent journalists that turned their backs on MSM for the reasons you have spotted had an avenue to reach millions and open their eyes.John Pilger being one of the best, if not the best.That's why we only need to look around us to see a dystopia unfolding and not the tack on Americas news platforms.

      If you want to prevent the 'repetitive' accusations of 'hater' on the blog you should take their accusations apart piece by piece and when asked to justify a statement or assertion, do so.Their accusations would soon stop.If they explain why hate seems to be the recurrent theme you have the opportunity to address their points and destroy their argument

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    10. ''I'm not sure how many stages of grief missed out, but by the middle of the night she wanted a priest, grief, and by morning she had reached acceptance. Acceptance of Jane's stupidity.''

      A Priest, not a psychologist.Have you heard of faith ? Or prayer ?

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  21. "On the 11th of November 2012 in the international criminal court at the Hague. Croatian General Ante Gotovino, an icomic figure in Croatia but nevertheless convicted of war crimes in the former Yugolavia by the Hague court was acquitted on appealing his sentence and walked free that very day - almost to the day that Croatia was admitted into the European union. Is that a coincidence or not."

    More porkies JC? Croatia were admitted to the EU in July 2013.

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    1. Croatia finished accession negotiations on 30 June 2011 and signed the Treaty of Accession on 9 December 2011.

      On 22 January 2012 a referendum on the EU accession of the Republic of Croatia was held and passed with 66.27% votes cast in support. Pursuant to the referendum's outcome, the Croatian parliament ratified the accession treaty unanimously (with 136 votes in favour) on 9 March 2012.

      David Lidington of the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office stated that he saluted the decision of Croatian citizens to join the EU. He also added that he hoped he would see Croatia as an EU member in July 2013

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  22. Anonymous19 April 2018 at 03:44

    jc again..

    '' they were told to get off the case but given no reasons.''

    Who exactly was told them this and how do you know what they were told ?Would you say Amaral was treated badly by his superiors ?That it was unfair and that he had grounds to challenge them ?

    ''Interestingly, the collapse of the investigation happened in the exact same week that the treaty of Lisbon was being ratified by Great Britain and Portugal.''

    So, you're saying the case collapsed Oct 2/3 /4 Oct 2007 when Amaral was removed and replaced ? How ?You say it coincides with the same week the Treaty of Lisbon was signed.That was signed just over two months ( 9 weeks) later.

    ''Their bafflement was that someone of great power over them did not want to rock the boat between the two countries but they couldn't think of any reason why''

    You suggest they were baffled.But, again, you don't provide a source stating them as being baffled.You're guessing and mind reading again.

    ''Still, the McCanns seized on their amazing good fortune with both hands, thrilled at being dealt the greatest poker hand in history which they are still playing to this day.''

    Can you give an example of them 'seizing' anything ?Or that they considered it a poker hand ? When it comes to great poker hands throughout history, i think you might have to consider those who were behind 9/11 and Iraq invasions.

    ''There was one Joker in the pack however: the one who lied about seeing an abductor ''

    Can you show any source exposing that lie ?

    ''What motivated this woman to lie, and potentially ruin her life if ever the lie was exposed''

    You say she lied.That;s it.What have the police said ? Opinions are just opinions.She may well have seen someone but it may well have had nothing to do with anything.

    ''She was just a friend after all with no permanent bond to the McCanns. But maybe blood is thicker than water''

    How can it be down to blood being thicker than water if they aren't related ?

    ''Hopefully the Portuguese police with the help of the English police have the case under control and there will soon be a prosecution''

    There would need to be an arrest, then a charge first.
    You end by pointing at politicians sharing dirty deeds covertly and implying that leverage can take precedence over honesty and justice.Your dubious example aside, why would any of them do this to protect two British holidaymakers ? What damage would it have caused to them had the parents stood trial and been found guilty ? It would have been over sooner and a lot of money would have been saved, and a lot of police would have been hailed as heroic.The UK / Portuguese allied efforts would be held up for praise.Instead, the expense continues to grow, the police and politicians continue to draw suspicion and the public continue to compose elaborate, badly thought out explanations to fill the void left by the failure of the investigation.

    ''Truth is stranger than fiction.''

    Yes, jc.You've signed off with that before.It's unfortunate that you can't tell the difference between the two things you're comparing.You should read replies to your posts.It would be a start.

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    1. Gordon Brown in Lisbon

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dWcyZ5N1G8

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    2. The most pertinent aspect of that video is that it was the UK PM announcing that he was due to meet with his Portuguese counterpart to discuss the case( despite both countries having far greater political matters to discuss that would normally take precedence over a police investigation).

      I've asked about, or made statements, on this area of the narrative. I've done that in the hope that the blinkers would be removed for a few minutes from the eyes of the antis and /or haters.I've asked why they are forever accusing the McCanns of manipulating the media, and manipulating public opinion through that, but never accusing the Governments man of doing it. For them to do it with legitimacy they wouldn't be able to just publicly take over any part of the investigation .

      The only way they could get away with it is by one of their number resigning, then quickly taking a new job that happened to be Media Monitor but ostensibly to help the McCanns rather than themselves.This way they were right inside the loop for any and all developments and able to demand that anyone planning to release films or documentaries ( see 10 year anniversary , Australia)had to have it passed by a 'media monitor' rather than the UK government.The same media monitor who didn't veil his own threat of legal ramifications ( which isn't part of the remit for a media monitor ).

      That job title has provided a good cover for CM and his real paymasters.It fooled the majority and still does.The timing of Browns announcement that day, the sudden resignation from a privileged and well paid position in Government, and the sudden securing of the PR man job in this case happened for a reason.And they did happen. We all saw it even if we didn't , or wouldn't, join the dots.It can't be called a conspiracy theory when the accusation of Governmental interference is implied, unless a better explanation can be put forward that is a lot more substantial than 'it's a coincidence'. With all of this in mind, this video is even more relevant :

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNXqChAVCkY

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    3. Poor Clarence. As brilliant at spinning as he is, his entire career is tainted by this case. Yes, he did an amazing job, but happily the demand for chicanery is not as plentiful as he might have hoped. Most victims of tragedies don't need or want a spokesman and spin doctor, let alone a crisis management team and an army of media monitors.

      I'm not sure where you are going with the Clarence thing 12:44, but I see Clarence as one of the cartoon characters where their eyes are spinning dollar bills. I have a feeling he and Gerry hit it off immediately, the poundshop version of when Michael Cohen met Donald Trump.

      The thing with 'cunning plans' is the necessity of having as few people involved as possible. Clarence I think, went rogue, he went above and beyond the task assigned. I suspect his departure from his Labour Party job was not a pleasant one.

      The most significant evidence of this was his 'off the record' remarks to Vanity Fair. They wanted to speak to a Minister, but all they were being offered were 'mid Consular' level officials.

      Some, yourself and Bennett 12:44, see Clarence as some sort of secret agent or government operative. Impossible, not least because there was a general election and the government changed. Why would the tories continue any sort of chicanery started by New Labour? And they are the ones who gave the go ahead for Operation Grange.

      Still. You have me intrigued. You have made a few digs at Clarence recently, Has the blame game begun?

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    4. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton21 April 2018 at 01:07

      ''I have a feeling he and Gerry hit it off immediately, the poundshop version of when Michael Cohen met Donald Trump. ''

      I have the opposite feeling.I doubt GM would give him a light in a dark corner but this farce was out of his hands.Mitchell was the Governments man.Where I'm going with it was made clear.The politicians needed their man inside keeping a lid on the crime.Coincidentally, one of their number suddenly resigned and hey presto, a 'media monitor job' sprang up and they had him in.That smacks of the state becoming involved in a crime.And the police are answerable to the state. Why would they want, or need, to place themselves on the inside and control what reached the outside ?It can't be mere coincidence that since those two moves on the chessboard the case didn't just go cold it disappeared.No genuine leads, and no evidence.The police are answerable to the state.

      Clarence doesn't 'go rogue'.Anyone who does that, or attempts to, are dealt with in no uncertain terms.As for his pain in having to leave the Labour job for a Tory job, he wasn't the first to 'cross the floor' and the Labour /Tory divide has closed so much in the last 20 years we're being dictated to by a single purple party.Mitchell's change of tie worked well any way, Labour were replaced by the Tories during this case and he found himself on the right side twice.

      My 'blame game' began in 2007.Once i realised this was going nowhere.I suspected leverage in high places and still do.Not just for the McCann case either.The's a small but definite amount of 'mysteries' that have been left open and /or had their files sealed for 100 years that had the potential to cause quakes for those who lord it over us.That's why journalists and their rags are gagged.They are gagged by the their owners who break bread and deals with politicians.The likes of Murdoch, and Maxwell before him,are /were extremely powerful and well connected creatures.They watch political parties come and go.Their 'files' would make those held by the police look like Enid Blyton's rough drafts.

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  23. Hey guys at April 18th 10:23 and 15:17
    We need people like you to kickstart this site - not kick it. Why not make a comment that makes sense.
    Maybe a 25 word target.
    jc

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    1. Anonymous20 April 2018 at 03:22

      ''We need people like you to kickstart this site - not kick it. Why not make a comment that makes sense.Maybe a 25 word target.
      jc''

      That from somebody who can compose a 2,000 word essay without making a single salient point or telling the truth.From somebody who can't answer a single, simple question.From someone who is prepared to stretch facts so far, and to invent so much, that it's hard to remember the actual subject supposedly being addressed.Your insistence on using the blog to vent your spleen at the cost of common sense does the blog, or you, no favours at all.

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    2. Good heavens 11:24, we are discussing, as followers of this mysterious case, the disappearance/murder of a child. This discussion, is, by it's very nature distasteful. Distasteful because it is about (mostly) two parents who lost a child.

      Of course, the above is a matter of opinion. Most of us I am sure, have never been quite so gripped by a human interest story as this one. And out of respect for the victims, such discussion would be scorned upon and would sink without trace. Quite rightly. For myself, having spent so much time on this, it is something I have sworn never to do again.

      The difference with this particular case is the inordinate amount of media coverage it has received, and is still receiving. It has been kept at the forefront of the news, and that is not our doing.

      News once released, is out of anybody's control. We all have the freewill to believe whatever we choose. Contrary to the daily chants of the McCann supporters, people don't doubt the abduction story because they hate Gerry and Kate, they doubt it because it is unbelievable. Literally, it makes no sense.

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    3. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton21 April 2018 at 01:44

      ''Contrary to the daily chants of the McCann supporters, people don't doubt the abduction story because they hate Gerry and Kate, they doubt it because it is unbelievable. Literally, it makes no sense.''

      Yes, you keep using the 'it makes no sense' argument rather than a reasonable explanation as to why it makes no sense.It's quicker.Yet you continue to shout from the rooftops that the parents are guilty of this or that and that the lack of evidence isn't important.That makes sense does it ? Because you're suspicious and that others are suspicious that's all it needs.Brilliant detective work.

      Here's a few basics...

      Because you don't believe something isn't a solid reason to state that it isn't true.Because you call something a lie doesn't mean it's a lie unless you can prove it's a lie.Because you've never heard of something doesn't mean that that something doesn't exist or hasn't occurred.Because the media saturation continues isn't an excuse for people like just above your post(jc) to compose wild stories he's already written in his head and decided that those stories are realistic enough to slur two innocent people of being killers or narcissists.If he used the blog to make wild accusations about anyone other than the McCanns you wouldn't publish them, or you'd remind him it isn't right.You endorse his nonsense, like you endorse the nonsense Bjorn gets off his chest and they, in return, praise your personal campaign that you dress up as a search for justice.None of you tackle the questions asked of you.

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    4. Anonymous20 April 2018 at 03:22
      ''Hey guys at April 18th 10:23 and 15:17
      We need people like you to kickstart this site - not kick it. Why not make a comment that makes sense.
      Maybe a 25 word target.
      jc''

      This weeks gold star for irony goes to JC, the Oscar Wilde of of the webisphere. How about you make one point that you can back up with something other than more nonsense and answer questions that are addressed your way.Not all, just start with a target of 1 or 2.

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  24. Hi Rosalinda,
    I wonder if the jig is up for the McCanns.
    The British police must be tunneling into something during their investigation. Surely their work cannot be a just a scam. If the world sees this investigation as a state sponsored cover up Scotland Yard will have much to answer for.
    There must be a hundred people in Britain that know exactly what happened to the missing girl. It would be hard to keep shut the mouths of the Tapas 7 and all the relatives and friends of the McCanns in England and Scotland.
    And then there's Clarence Mitchell, who despite being a crook would be the first person to demand the truth from the McCanns, to protect himself as their PR man during the mental gymnastics needed to handle the case.
    And then there's the twins; (God forbid they should ever learn the truth.)

    Too many people know the truth and we have to hope that the British police on their own territory will forward this information to the Portuguese police.
    One has to hope for good electronic surveillance which will finally explode the fairytale myth of an "Abduction" - and all that followed.

    Ros: on another topic entirely. I know it's your pet peeve about Trump and the Republican government but I have to disagree. Trump may be an oddball person but the previous administration wasn't so good
    either.
    The economy (they say) is booming and as someone wrote" "At least he's kicking the football down the field in the right direction"
    Who knows; getting peace with North Korea might be a gamechanger.

    Putting one's faith in politicians is a tricky business; Could be Gandhi could be Hitler.

    Here's my own rather cynical comment.
    'A politician's first duty is to get elected, his second duty is to get re-elected'.
    Haven't copyrighted that one yet. I'm too busy trying for a copyright deal on the alphabet. Or is that one already taken.
    jc

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      ''There must be a hundred people in Britain that know exactly what happened to the missing girl. It would be hard to keep shut the mouths of the Tapas 7 and all the relatives and friends of the McCanns in England and Scotland.''

      Yes, jc, that makes sense.They've been bragging about a secret they made a pact of silence about because they don't mind being put in prison for the rest of their lives.They don't mind handing back libel payments, losing their homes and leaving their kids alone to bring themselves up.The police just don't believe them and want to chase invisible leads instead.

      ''And then there's Clarence Mitchell, who despite being a crook''

      What's on his police record ? he's been both a Labour and Tory politician in his past.They'd need to be told.

      ''And then there's the twins; (God forbid they should ever learn the truth.)''

      Why ?

      ''Too many people know the truth and we have to hope that the British police on their own territory will for
      ward this information to the Portuguese police.''

      Why don't they just ask someone if so many know the truth ? How do you know what the truth is and why are you withholding that information from the police ?

      ''One has to hope for good electronic surveillance which will finally explode the fairytale myth of an "Abduction" - and all that followed.''

      One has to also hope that it has an inbuilt time machine too in that case.

      ''Putting one's faith in politicians is a tricky business; Could be Gandhi could be Hitler.''

      Great comparison.A case of spot the manic dictator.

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    2. I used to think you just had a slate loose jc but it's actually the whole roof

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  25. Madeleine went global because the Mccanns and elements of the media pushed abduction from the very beginning and have continued to do so for eleven long years.

    The reason the case hasn't been solved so far is because OG can't find where Madeleine has been kept.

    So they are obviously looking everywhere but in the right place, maybe the McCanns and co have been too smart for them, perhaps the delay in the investigation is nothing more than that.

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    1. ''the Mccanns and elements of the media pushed abduction from the very beginning and have continued to do so for eleven long years. ''

      The police are guided by evidence, not newspaper opinion.

      ''maybe the McCanns and co have been too smart for them, perhaps the delay in the investigation is nothing more than that.''

      Or maybe they just don't know where she is.If they found who took her it would be a start.

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  26. If the McCanns were such a danger to children they wouldn't have been given custody of their two other children. So in my mind whatever happened must have been accidental.

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    1. Good point.Nor were they charged with neglect.Whatever happened being accidental can only be assumed if there's evidence of Madeleine being dead, in which case a charge of neglect, manslaughter or murder would have been options.Without such, an abduction is supported by the fact that she wasn't in the apartment when the parents returned.If evidence has been deliberately destroyed or hidden it means that a lot of policemen of the PJ and SY are implicated in the concealment of a death and a crime.

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  27. Unknown at 00:14
    ("As far as I know Jane Tanner said she saw someone carrying a child. That's all.")

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqoj-pfBUnY

    11:06

    Richard Bilton: "Describe exactly what he's carrying, what you could see."

    Jane Tanner: "Well I could see.. I could tell it was a child, and I could see the feet and... the feet and the bottom of the pyjamas, and I just thought that child's not got any shoes on because you could see the feet..."

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNI5up44Nho

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    Kate McCann: "The child was barefoot and bare armed..."

    Jane Tanner didn't say the child was bare armed. Why is Kate McCann lying?

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  28. The supporters of the McCanns must surely realize how stupid the abduction story sounds. Are we really expected to believe that the abductor slipped out of the apartment and spirited Madeleine away within the tiny time-frame between GM's 9pm check and the time that Jane Tanner claims she saw 'the abductor'? Madeleine's own father and Jez Wilkins were apparently chatting together on the road in front of the apartment yet neither saw 'Tanner-man'? What abductor in his or her right mind would risk abducting a child when the parents and friends are coming and going? Surely any 'abductor' worth his or her salt would have an accomplice who would be watching to see that the coast was clear? It strikes me that the direction taken by Tanner-man is probably the opposite direction to the one that was in actual fact taken by whoever removed Madeleine from the apartment. The early search and rescue dogs became very agitated around the front and back of empty apartment 5J, suggesting that there was a distinctive odour coming from this apartment. While early media reports state that the route taken by the dogs was the route taken by Tanner-man, it is on police record that this is incorrect. The dogs went in an entirely different direction which would be an illogical route for a random mystery abductor who did not want to be caught. They went in an anti-clockwise direction from apartment 5A, circling around the entire block and exiting via the pool and Tapas restaurant towards a car park across the road. They passed empty apartment 5J and at both the front and back became agitated. This route would be consistent, in my opinion, with an 'insider job' in terms of 'the abduction' and could suggest that empty apartment 5J was used to conceal a body. Police were not able to gain entry for a few days and when they did they found a fridge with the door open and rotting food inside or nearby. This strikes me as a 'staging' to try to account for the dogs' behaviour around the apartment. TM have shown themselves as hugely sneaky - no doubt observed by the Portuguese police. I think it was by this route that Madeleine's body was removed. It is on police record that Jez Wilkins' saw a man acting suspiciously in the toilets by the Tapas restaurant at around 7.30pm on Thursday evening. I think this might be when the body was removed and the direction that was taken.

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