With over 230 posts on the last blog, I think the case for Goncalo Amaral has been made. No matter how much mud is thrown at him it is all canceled out by his own words and actions. He published his side of the story and has defended his right to tell his story for over a decade. He was David .v. Goliath, he was up against, not only the British establishment but also the British media. Against all odds and with very limited resources he won.
And he won again on here, albeit vicariously, via those of us not prepared to believe all the vicious rumours put out about him by those who claim to support the parents. You have lost the battle if you have to belittle your opponent in order to make yourself look good. Every onlooker can see that. The more GA has been demonised, the more he has been elevated in the public’s opinion. The GoFundMe for his legal expenses was proof of that. It even included a large donation from ‘the Met’.
Realistically, the enemy of the McCanns should be the monster who stole their daughter, not the detective who searched for her. How can they not hate that monster with every breath in their bodies, he is the one hurt their child and wrecked their lives. Where is their rage against him, where is their determination to track him down? Where is the support for Operation Grange, their best hope of getting closure on their nightmare.
The ‘pros’ have as little faith in Operation Grange as the more anarchic section of the ‘antis’ (including Pat Brown?), once again their erm, aims coincide. I’m not suggesting Pat Brown is an undercover agent btw, just a little single minded in some areas. I think John Blacksmith and I are the only ones keeping the faith and quietly cheering OG on from the sidelines. We are probably both wizened enough to know that corruption on the scale suggested by the anti OG’s (a new sub-division) simply isn’t possible in a democratic society. Our laws are chocka block full of checks and balances. And the media (the Fifth Estate?) fill in the gaps. Mostly. When they fall down, writers like myself and JB step up.
I don’t believe the McCanns are protected by anyone other than their own, very small, barmy army. Now, probably less than a handful, who gamely plough on, on Twitter and on here. All they have proved is how thorough unpleasant they are. Ultimately, they have lost the social media battle. People are no longer flocking to their website or facebook page. They have no presence on twitter other than a few deranged odd bods who think they are ‘hard’ cases. They are not winning friends and influencing people.
Their war against online trolls was less successful than their war against Goncalo Amaral. It resulted in tragedy and another tidal wave of bad publicity for Gerry and Kate. It didn't stop the online discussion, it increased it.
Who knows if those who post here are the last remaining hardcore McCann supporters or the McCanns themselves. It is hard to imagine anyone other than Gerry and Kate hating Goncalo Amaral as much as these posters do. There needs to be some personal affiliation to feel that passionate. Blood ties perhaps. Whatever the driving force may be, it is not healthy, it's not logical, it's not sane and it's not nice.
There was an impressive response. But if you scroll from top to bottom you'll find that half of them were from Ziggy Sawdust taking apart all the points you and your friends made about Amaral.Is that a victory for Amaral ? Now you've started another one.Will you be using any actual facts this time or just more of the same. Maybe you could bring down the arguments that defeat your own rather than trying to just bring down the posters of them. Will this just be another mauling for you ?
ReplyDeleteIt's not hate. You put that up in order to make him appear a victim. It's not hate, it's dismissal. And please, stop ignoring the FACT that Amaral was convicted of perjury in May 2009 and received an 18-month prison sentence (suspended).
ReplyDeleteCorrect. She never learns.
Delete''With over 230 posts on the last blog, I think the case for Goncalo Amaral has been made. No matter how much mud is thrown at him it is all canceled out by his own words and actions. ''
ReplyDeleteYou seriously believe that the 230 posts reflected that ? Read the words and not the numbers. You're very wrong.
''He was David .v. Goliath''
What happened to Goliath ? Or are you choosing to inflate the publishing hearing up to being 'the trial of the century' to help raise his tattered reputation now ? To quote you : ''LOL''
''the vicious rumours put out about him by those who claim to support the parents.''
He was removed from his position and he was convicted of perjury. Want to talk about that court case ? Which of those two pieces of information are rumour ?
''The more GA has been demonised, the more he has been elevated in the public’s opinion. ''
The section who hate the parents of the missing child.The other section who require facts and so forth don't think he's much of anything.Public opinion is such a weak argument. Study the history of Germany from 1900 - 1945. They elevated some heroes too..
''Realistically, the enemy of the McCanns should be the monster who stole their daughter, not the detective who searched for her.''
But Amaral has told the world that they're the monsters. Can you not understand that basic fact ?
''I think John Blacksmith and I are the only ones keeping the faith and quietly cheering OG on from the sidelines.''
We can all sleep soundly then ( LOL again).
''And the media (the Fifth Estate?) fill in the gaps. Mostly. When they fall down, writers like myself and JB step up. ''
I think you have the fourth estate and fifth estate confused.
''I don’t believe the McCanns are protected by anyone other than their own, very small, barmy army''
They don't need protection now.Apart from thousands of spiteful and weird self- proclaimed 'experts' and authors of cringeworthy narratives that relieve their boredom as they hang around the internet.
'' Ultimately, they have lost the social media battle.''
Wow. I bet that hurts them.Losing a tweet war.
''It is hard to imagine anyone other than Gerry and Kate hating Goncalo Amaral as much as these posters do.''
For someone so expert in hate, you don't really understand it that well. People( normal ones, sorry) 'hate' what Amaral did.Not him. He isn't important to anyone.
'' There needs to be some personal affiliation to feel that passionate. ''
Projection again. To defend the McCanns with arguments like 'innocent until proven guilty', or lack of evidence is to poke Ros in the eye.What's that weirdness about...
''Whatever the driving force may be, it is not healthy, it's not logical, it's not sane and it's not nice. ''
But it's not incorrect or inaccurate. To demand evidence to back up accusations is healthy. To attack strangers you don't know and spread rumours and lies about them isn't.That's sadistic and vicious.And, in this particular context, sick.
David beat Goliath. GA beat the mighty McCann publicity machine and their high priced lawyers.
DeleteTurning to normal people hate what GA did. Most normal people do not know who GA is, they know of the Madeleine story, but not the details of GA's involvement and removal from the case.
What did he do? He wrote a book, not something that would incite hatred. He didn't find Madeleine, but 12 years on, no-one else has found her either. Again, not something the public would hate the detective for.
No, the hatred for Goncalo Amaral on here is not from normal people, it is from people who are or were directly involved.
As for attacking strangers I don't know, I am attacking the lies that I know to be lies. I am totally opposed to the one sided narrative of the Madeleine story and the fact that the mainstream newspapers can't or won't publish the truth. Well I'm not tied by the 'rules' they have to abide by, my words are uncensored and unbound.
Challenging the lies and correcting the narrative is not sadistic, vicious or sick. Goncalo Amaral is not the bad guy in this long running debacle, his story is just as valid as Kate's.
Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton22 February 2019 at 15:30
Delete''David beat Goliath. GA beat the mighty McCann publicity machine and their high priced lawyers.''
Yes. And lost his job and never solved a thing. He just wrote some tack and made a big amount of cash.Some 'David' ...
''Turning to normal people hate what GA did. Most normal people do not know who GA is, they know of the Madeleine story, but not the details of GA's involvement and removal from the case.''
Yes, I know. That's why i stated what he 'did' and not 'who he is'.Other than that they can only know his bosses removed him from the case and he received a suspended prison sentence for his dishonesty..
''What did he do? He wrote a book, not something that would incite hatred. He didn't find Madeleine, but 12 years on, no-one else has found her either.''
If he didn't think that would incite hatred among normal people he's even less bright than he appears.Only proving his case and finding Madeleine would clean his slate.Nobody in the force, present or past, has made outrageous claims that incriminate the parents in the 12 years either. That's the small difference you're overlooking.
''No, the hatred for Goncalo Amaral on here is not from normal people, it is from people who are or were directly involved.''
No.It's from normal people.And again, it's not hatred of the fool it's hatred of what he did and how he was allowed to continue doing it.
''As for attacking strangers I don't know, I am attacking the lies that I know to be lies. I am totally opposed to the one sided narrative of the Madeleine story''
How many times do you need to be told : You have to prove somethings a lie. You can believe anything you like-we all can. But we can't accuse unless we can prove.Well, we can, but we shouldn't expect people to just buy it.Unless they're dim. Question everything is a good motto. Write it on the back of your hand.
''Challenging the lies and correcting the narrative is not sadistic, vicious or sick. ''
Not as long as you know they're lies. But you don't. I think Amaral was lying.Either that or he was just too imaginative.His accusations of two bereft parents who had been broken by the loss of a child were pretty much as low as anyone can go.That remains the case unless he can stop talking and start proving.To promote what he did as truth, and to endorse his campaign against those parents knowing full well you can't prove a thing, and that nobody has acted on his 'musings' is actually sadistic, vicious, and sick. If you think saying 'i believe him' is a defence then that's your choice. What about those who say they believe the parents ? Why would any neutral choose to buy Amaral's story ? None of his claims have ever come to anything and never will.He's just a catalyst for the vicarious hate fest online.
''The more GA has been demonised, the more he has been elevated in the public’s opinion. ''
ReplyDeleteWhat does that say about the public's judgement ?
'' Their war against online trolls was less successful than their war against Goncalo Amaral. It resulted in tragedy and another tidal wave of bad publicity for Gerry and Kate''
DeleteAll the big talk about 'war' this and 'war' that. You've been reading too many American blogs. War isn't outnumbering and out gunning a much smaller opponent.That's attacking.It shouldn't be called war either if the smaller opponent attempts to defend themselves and their children. That's merely a fight for survival.
The bad publicity for the parents you imagine, or choose to dream really happened, was only on the internet contrived by people who needed to get it off their chests yet again. That's just the massed ranks of the internet being stupid. They never need proof of anything.They all tell each other how great and insightful they are and ignore anyone who wants evidence of it.Then the demented bloggers, forumites and youtube maniacs take to the ether and make another doomed attempt at being famous. Twelve long, monotonous years has taught them nothing. Yes, they really are THAT bright...ell oh ell...
You really need to catch up, wars are now fought on social media. In fact, the McCanns were among the first to launch their own army of, let's call them trolls, to push forward the abduction story and kick the arses of non believers. They were very powerful and very organised, many of us remember them very well.
DeleteAll a distant memory now of course, the McCann army was decimated following the Brenda Leyland tragedy. They had to 'shred' all their files and go underground. Now all that's left is a raggle taggle bunch of fanatics, each with a different party line. Presumably the white board has been packed away.
You may think the massed ranks of the internet are stupid (not a people person are you?), but that is the world now. Madeleine was the first, or most famous missing child to break the news in the internet age and her parents took full advantage of it. It was they who made their daughter's story an internet phenomenon and it is they who have kept themselves in the news.
For Gerry and Kate the only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about. They encourage discussion every time they put out a press release.
They could have ended these internet wars years by simply not engaging. But they stay on social media to push the abduction story and fight with non believers.
Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton22 February 2019 at 16:04
Delete''You really need to catch up, wars are now fought on social media. In fact, the McCanns were among the first to launch their own army of, let's call them trolls, ''
Yes, and failing that, let's say that they smell...
I think name calling spats on the internet are slightly different to the thousands of Palestinian civilians who get slaughtered every year . What is the improvised explosive device in your dangerous world ? An angry face emoji ?
''All a distant memory now of course, the McCann army was decimated following the Brenda Leyland tragedy. ''
The tell tale sign of desperation : If you're on the back foot and can't counter arguments, bring up Brenda Leyland . Forget her memory being abused or her resting in peace-we need her for something...Nice...
''They had to 'shred' all their files and go underground. ''
What's with the Andy McNab impersonation. Or are you being all Jason Bourne.Let's meet halfway and put that little hiccup down to the writer in you.So are we hinting that Brenda Leyland killed herself because of those who support the 'innocent until proven guilty' argument ? Or are you sneaking back to your whacky 'they put a hit out on her' story...
''You may think the massed ranks of the internet are stupid (not a people person are you?), but that is the world now.''
That's just it shuggalips.I am a people person. I'm just not a 'virtual people' person.I like it real and in real time.Don't blame me for the mess the world's in. Trump won the presidency mainly because of the internet hacking bullshit /emails and his tweets. That's the danger of the virtual.There's nothing virtual about the chaos it can cause .He looks and sounds like Max Headroom's warped father.
''For Gerry and Kate the only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about. They encourage discussion every time they put out a press release. ''
I doubt that quote applies does it. You said yourself they got embroiled in a war of words.And considering 99% of what's said about them has no evidence or proof behind it. I doubt they encourage anything. They are intelligent people. They are more media savvy then they were 12 years ago.They know press releases are meeting with cynicism. They know it's a necessary evil. Hence the tail off...
''They could have ended these internet wars years by simply not engaging. But they stay on social media to push the abduction story and fight with non believers.''
In normal society, that's called an appeal for help.You're in the middle of one of your internet praising orgies right now.Don't you think utilising it to help find your missing child shows how wonderful it is ? Do you really think they would be arsed about 'wars' ? Are you frightened that, with so much time passing and no sign of a genuine investigation, people will start believing at last and asking for the evidence ? It seems like it....
GA is not without fault, and let's not forget what he did was follow the lead of the British police. Why would they direct him and his team toward the truth? They were not on the side of the Portuguese and had already shown their true colours early on.
ReplyDeleteHe didn't trust them, so why trust the dogs and death in 5a? The death could have occurred at any time, any place. Leicester police know too much, not least their involvement in the Brenda Leyland tragedy.
Are there any trained dogs who can indicate that a dead body has been present at some point and who the killer was ? They don't identify killers do they ? Abductors can kill. I've seen the videos by the way. The dogs needed encouraging at a few points. What is the 'too much' Leicester police ? How were they involved in somebody's suicide ?
DeleteRegarding the British police in PDL 01:22, it is worth looking at the Jim Gamble interview at the time of the Summer and Swan book, where he talks about the involvement of the British police agencies in Portugal.
DeleteCEOP and Leicester police were obviously at odds. Mark Harrison for Leicester police suggested the parents were involved and bringing in the dogs. CEOP were compiling profiles of sex offenders and internet geeks.
Hi Rosalinda,
ReplyDeleteWhat a stream of hatred from your first four posters in reaction to your excellent logical article above.
As you say, why would total strangers be so bitter toward Goncalo Amaral.
Unless of course it's the McCanns writing this stuff and ridiculing your comments is critical to the duo's freedom from ever facing prosecution.
I did write a comment about Kate's book: Madeleine, earlier in the week but I guess it got lost in the shuffle. The book is indeed a remarkable work of fiction. crafted to derail Amaral and Portugal, and show the world what a family of saints the two English doctors are/were.
jc
jc at 03.43
DeleteYour comment about Kate's book is in the comment section in previous blog. Click 'Load more...' at the end of the page.
Anonymous22 February 2019 at 03:43
Delete''As you say, why would total strangers be so bitter toward Goncalo Amaral.''
Because what he done and how he did it is offensive to normal, civilised and decent human beings. You wouldn't understand that. He fed the hounds. You'd understand that .
''Unless of course it's the McCanns writing this stuff and ridiculing your comments is critical to the duo's freedom from ever facing prosecution''
DeleteYou really do talk drivel don't you. I'm sure, in your dark and small world, the McCanns spend all day locked into the internet reading blogs here waiting to try and argue.They have no other life, no job, no teenage kids.No wonder Ros likes you.You speak the same language.
''..work of fiction. crafted to derail Amaral and Portugal, and show the world what a family of saints the two English doctors are''
I think Amaral was 'derailed' by his own bosses when they sent him away from the case.How do you 'derail' a country ? By telling the world that it failed to solve a crime ? Is it that easy ? The McCanns never claimed to be saints.They claimed to be innocent of killing their child and of burying her body. That's not claiming to be angels unless your head's a mess.Amaral claimed they were evil. And failed to prove in what way they're evil.That's not an accusation about Amaral, he really did.
Where did the McCanns claim to be angels ?You think defending yourself against vile allegations is trying to be 'angelic' ? You're seriously warped.However, feel free to share your proof with us all.Otherwise it looks like you have made your mind up to hate regardless of any information or proof to hold you up.In other words, you're completely biased and incapable of reading beyond your own agenda.Spreading accusations and nasty little opinions about two parents who lost a child is your 'thing'.
Shame nobody lost you in the shuffle too, jc.
DeleteAnonymous 22 February 2019 at 03:43
DeleteHi, jc
“What a stream of hatred from your first four posters…”
“…bitter toward Goncalo Amaral.”
I don’t see it that way. This is is a debate/exchange of views. You yourself appear partial to using strong language
“Unless of course it's the McCanns writing this stuff and ridiculing your comments is critical to the duo's freedom from ever facing prosecution.”
You are teasing, right?
“I did write a comment about Kate's book: Madeleine, earlier in the week but I guess it got lost in the shuffle.”
No, it didn’t get lost (21 February 2019 at 03:20 at http://cristobell.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-case-for-goncalo-amaral.html?showComment=1550719252795#c8125311500139539344 ). It attracted two comments: one from Rosalinda ( "Hi JC :)” ) and one from an Anon (“You never engage in a debate or conversation and you can never answer any question anyone asks you.”). Perhaps the latter comment gives a clue why your posts don’t get more agreeable attention. BTW, the name of Kate’s book is ‘madeleine…’, not ’Madeleine’.
“The book is indeed a remarkable work of fiction. crafted to derail Amaral and Portugal, and show the world what a family of saints the two English doctors are/were.”
A comment:
“’madeleine’ hasn’t sold well. It is a second-rate book of no apparent literary merit in which, arguably, and unexpectedly, Madeleine’s mother portrays herself as an uncongenial and unreliable witness, and this leaves me wandering what the reason for publishing this book was. I will not be surprised if she already regrets publishing the book in its present state.”
Madeleine’s parents wanted the money the book would bring in, and the money was very good, AIRC.
Take care and have a good weekend.
Winnie-the-Pooh
Dubya T pee...
DeleteYou have the bear faced cheek to challenge he who can't be challenged.One of the foremost authorities on the McCann case in his house. I shudder to think what his comeback will be.Wake me when it arrives....
In my humble ( yet really important) view, far too much is said about books. Both The truth Of The Perjure and mAddElINe were created to make money ;both to build up an arsenal for a battle. Neither have contributed to the investigation (rather like the detectives, unfortunately who have also made a nice pot from it all ).But, at least the books can be found...
I trust you took note of my reply yesterday regarding the Stagg creature.
Have a scandalous weekend
The Right Honourable Count Ziggmund of the Pool Of Life..
@12:05
DeleteI disagree. A useless personal insult is all you’ve got?
Dubya Teep, Esq.
More than anything else, both books were written as defense documentation.
DeleteRoger, You Humble Magnificence. Such depth and style!
DeleteYours eternally grateful
Gratefully eternal Pee
PS NOT ABOUT BOOKS. Sorry for being brief. I am busy at the moment writing a short story in verse in the style of Rimbaud’s Illuminations, provisionally titled ‘First. Blood Pressure Rising’. The plot is reminiscent of your inimitable Warts and Pees and Nabokov’s Lolita. Marvelously bloody. Bloody marvellous OF COURSE. I’m considering letting you have a signed copy if you can afford it.
@ Dubya
DeleteA personal insult. A polite request.An invitaion to debate. What difference does it make ? JC ignores all.He awakens and turns up here when he can't keep his poison down any longer. he leaves his mess and leaves until he needs it again.
Mr Eternel Pee...
DeleteI'm most grateful for the generous offer. However, I feel I must warn you. I have alerted my army of oriental bloodhounds to comb through the pages of your latest work of literary art.Should my Bake Street Inscrutables find any sign of my own great work having been plagiarised, then i shall unleash the hounds of Ipswich and war will ensue pretty damn sharpish.I'm typing this in my most important braces by the way.You now know i mean business...
Anonymous 22 February 2019 at 20:29
DeleteMakes no difference, my old son. I don’t want jc upset if I can help it. Talk later: the pillow is about to hit me. :)
Tea-in-Pee
When jc shares the same kind of consideration outside of his own mind that will be fair enough.
DeleteNigh 12 yrs on Amaral and the dogs don't half cause some angst,keep on blogging of the same Ros tis providing welcome releif to see the replies, the naysayers in the brexit world have nothing on this lot.
ReplyDeleteAnon22 February 2019 at 09:34
Delete''Nigh 12 yrs on Amaral and the dogs don't half cause some angst''
That's about all they cause. They certainly caused nothing positive in the case.
I wrote on the last bog with a reply.
ReplyDeleteAnon21 February 2019 at 12:41
Ros @ 11.44 wrote
As for leaving the abductor leaving the scene undisturbed. He was fumbling around an unfamiliar apartment in the dark. Having picked up the non protesting, sound asleep Madeleine, he shut all curtains, doors and gates behind him? Seriously?
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Come on,you forgot the damaged shutters and open window,oh! bugger they weren't though,come on smithman fess up,just how did you sneak away.
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Anonymous21 February 2019 at 20:16
Is this a new theory ? Smith stole Madeleine and took her to an Irish bar ? Or was that him carrying her down the street because she had had too much Guinness ? Did he merely see his own reflection in the dark ?Is that why he retracted his certainty later ?Or was it another Smith and not Smithman. Was it Cyril Smith post-diet leaving Sir Clement's house and looking for Sir Cliff Ricjard ? Tune in next week for Cluedo for the less sober.
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Smithman never retracted his statement,Bilton tried to give the impression he did but an Irish Journalist by the name of Gemma O'Doherty spoke to Mr Smith to confirm he didn't.Do keep up.
''come on smithman fess up,just how did you sneak away.''
Deleteexplain
Anon at 10:06
DeleteYou are right. Martin Smith did not retract his statement. He also never said he was 100% sure he saw Gerry McCann. I think he won't lend himself to give support to any theory, he just told the police what he witnessed.
The question was about how he sneaked away. From where, who and why .
Delete@15:00
DeleteTongue-in-cheek?
W-t-P
Sure. If you can prove that his tongue, and his cheek for that matter, weren't photo shopped. Then that he was actually seen after April 27th.
Delete"You are right. Martin Smith did not retract his statement. He also never said he was 100% sure he saw Gerry McCann. I think he won't lend himself to give support to any theory, he just told the police what he witnessed."
DeleteNo he didn't - another myth. Read the statements. He said that he thought the person carrying the young girl had the same mannerisms as GM carrying his child off the plane. In his statement, and that of the rest of the family, he (and they) confirmed that they did not recognise the man or knew of no-one that he resembled.
@ 15.27
DeleteThe question asked by 15:00 is perfectly valid and would not have been solved by Amaral calling the Smiths back to state (well one of them) that he was 60-80% certain it was Gerry.
17:25 (first one)
DeleteMannerism doesn't equate face.
Anonymous22 February 2019 at 17:12
DeleteSure. You mean photoshopped? Certainly not: I took the picture myself.
27 April isn’t here yet, but I saw him yesterday at the barbers, he was doing my furdo if you really want to know.
Yours helpfully
Winnie-the-Pooh
All men look the same carrying a child who's asleep. Even in daylight let alone in the dark when you've been drinking all evening.
DeleteSo, Mister Pooh ( i can call you mister Pooh can't I ? Or would you prefer Gustav ? )
DeleteYou claim to have taken the picture yourself.Did anyone see you ? Can anyone identify your Kodak Instamatic ? I didn't think so.....
So, he was ''doing'' your furdo was he. I see. Perhaps you can explain to the ladies and gentleman of the jury what a furdo is exactly. Would your visit to the so called 'barber' also explain that rather flamboyant waxed moustache ? Did anybody see you see him ? I doubt it.I doubt it very much Gustav. Your honey doesn't fool anyone now.I think it's time you unburdened yourself.Now, I'll ask you one last time.Did you or did you not see this chap after April 27th. How about August the 19th. Think very careful before you answer.You could be talking yourself into a ten stretch.That would mean a ten stretch for the donkey too.Seperate jails...
Chief Inspecor Constable ( The Sweeney)
@22:02
Delete“The Swiney?.? Is it you Piglet?” Pooh looks round to see that nobody is listening and says in a very solemn voice:
“Piglet, I have decided something.”
“What have you decided, Poof?”
“I have decided to remain silent.”
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The 14th amendment is off the table, sticky face.Where did you stash the honey.
DeleteAnon22 February 2019 at 10:06
Delete'Smithman never retracted his statement,Bilton tried to give the impression he did but an Irish Journalist by the name of Gemma O'Doherty spoke to Mr Smith to confirm he didn't.Do keep up.''
Bilton : Reporter.
O'Doherty : Reprter.
Reporters and journalists are not investigating this case, they're reporting it. The police are investigating it.If any reporters expose anything relevant the police will act. Failing that, the reporters should bring it to their attention and , if nothing comes of it, ask the police why.Reporters tweeting to you lot is doing nothing but fill some empty days for them and you.Do keep up.
@ Anonymous22 February 2019 at 17:25
Delete@ 15.27
''The question asked by 15:00 is perfectly valid and would not have been solved by Amaral calling the Smiths back to state (well one of them) that he was 60-80% certain it was Gerry.''
Do you know what reasonable doubt is in a trial ? 99%. 60%-80% is a home run for the defence.
Ros.. yourself and others argue the McCanns were not protected by the "establishment"after July 07 and generally use the CM comment, we were only offered a low level consul meeting as proof.
ReplyDeleteCM is a spin merchant and nobody should believe word he spouts.
Why not instead go with how official police websites hosted and sponsored the McCann's fund donations site for years.
Why forget the official Leicestershire Police website stating if you have any info on Madeleine don't phone us, phone the suspects direct hotline instead.
In January 08, look up the Leicestershire Police chief investigating officer, Stuart Prior telling the PJ he needed immediate answers to questions, as Gerry was demanding them.
Gerry was an official suspect at this time.
Of loss of access since mid 2007, there is no proof whatsoever.
The McCanns had provable private meetings with
Alan Johnson - Labour Home Secretary in 2010
Theresa May - Tory Home Secretary in August 2010 and 2014
John Yates - Assistant Police Commissioner, Scotland Yard in 2011
David Cameron - Tory PM in February 2010, November 2010, November 2012 to name but a few.
There is no evidence of CEOP or ACPO withdrawing their support from 2007 onwards.
Facts are needed not supposition and wishful thinking.
Support for the McCanns by the "establishment" has not diminished, why would it? It has grown year by year.
OG is the proof.
But Amaral 'wins again' lol
DeleteAnon @ 11:35,old smithy is like the damned elusive pimpernel,where did he come from,where did he go,they seek him here,they seek him there.
ReplyDelete@ Anon22 February 2019 at 15:01
ReplyDeleteYes the question is who is he? That needs police work to solve. They didn't solve it. Remember Amaral underneath the CCTV saying if only it hadn't been overwritten?
Ros announces: "I think John Blacksmith and I are the only ones keeping the faith and quietly cheering OG on from the sidelines."
ReplyDeleteHave you not noticed that the Blacksmith Bureau has made one stupid post since Nov 2018?
@18:52
Delete“Have you not noticed that the Blacksmith Bureau has made one stupid post since Nov 2018?”
Know not about “stupid but spell my name he can’t
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (aka Dubya T pee)
@ Anonymous22 February 2019 at 21:04
DeleteI have no idea what T, winnie the poo or W-tf is talking about.
Perhaps you would like to say what is wrong with the sentence that you quoted?
Anonymous 22 February 2019 at 23:37
DeleteThank you for asking.
I see three errors in my comment: I missed putting a closing quotation mark and a comma after ‘stupid’ and a full stop after ’he can’t’.
the comment should’ve been written as follows::
Know not about “stupid”, but spell my name he can’t.
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (aka Dubya T pee)
“Know not about “stupid”“= I don’t know whether the only post the Blacksmith Bureau made since Nov 2018 is stupid or not (I haven’ read it).
“spell my name he can’t” = The name of the author of The Little Prince is …Exupéry, not …Exupury (see the Blacksmith Bureau’s post referred to). The Bureau’s writer made a hurtful error, that’s all.
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I hope you are including OG in "they",there is nothing on the MET site in regards to OG, they have either identified him or have given up,pays your money takes your choice.
ReplyDeleteI bathe in the tears of the Amaral haters, the worst losers ever, lol!
ReplyDeleteyes 19:39, very cutting.And the 'lol' sign-off..genius
DeleteMost of them are not Amaral haters, they just don't believe his theories.
DeleteThere's not even a telephone number for Operation Grange on the MET site any more. Obviously they are not eager to gather any new information from the general public at this time.
DeleteWe can only guess as to why, or phone them through the main desk and ask.
Tell them you want to make a financial donation. They'll soon appear.
DeleteDon't bother, it's approaching the time for some one from the MET to appear before the HO and to play Oliver again "please sir can I have some more".
Deletebut Kate 'hot lips' Healey Mcann really did see jemmied shutters..she told us in the 'whooshing video'. Yes Kate.
ReplyDeleteBut then she didn't say anything later did she..she refused to answer the PJs 48 questions and remained silent as an arguido, "Fukkin tossers" yes Kate.
And HER holiday trousers had cadaver odour on them, from previously working with dead people as a doctor. yes Kate
And the boot of her hire car smelt of dead sea bass and nappies too, but not cadaver odour. yes Kate
Did you ype all of that in one breath ? Well done.
DeleteThe 48 questions has been done to death already.Scroll back.
Did she lie about the windows to you or to the police ? Are you involved in the investigation or are the police and OG ?
I'm not sure Kate-or anyone for that matter- could 'work with dead people'. They're not very helpful.They never pull their weight. And I won't even guess anything abiout the heat of her lips or trousers..
I did! I also ensured that I typed a T in tosser, likewise there is t in muppet. Bit late for you now isn't it. I'd recommend rest as you have a another long day ahead of you
DeleteAnonymous 22 February 2019 at 21:59
Delete“…she told us in the 'whooshing video'…”
Not true. Cite the video please.
“…she refused to answer the PJs 48 questions and remained silent as an arguido…”
She had the right to remain silent.
“And HER holiday trousers had cadaver odour on them,”
You don’t know that.
“…from previously working with dead people as a doctor.”
That’s hearsay.
“… but not cadaver odour…”
There is a reasonable doubt as to what the odour was.
Thank you, honey.
Pee-in-Tea
Philomena McCann: "He [Gerry McCann] is going in at 2pm today. But he’s not the main suspect, for some unknown reason there’s something about a sniffer dog sniffing Kate. Suddenly a dog can talk and says she smelled a death. How can that be when a British sniffer dog came out months after Madeleine’s case. They’re doctors, if there’s a smell of death on them could that possibly be a patient?"
DeleteA patient in Portugal?
smells can linger for weeks. These dogs can smell a fly break wind in space( apparently)
DeleteAnonymous23 February 2019 at 00:14
Delete''I also ensured that I typed a T in tosser''
Well done. You must be an anti. The level of debate is a dead giveaway.No sniffer dogs needed here.
It is not a debate. It is not pro or anti.
DeleteIt is a matter of the death of a small, innocent child and the shameless conspiracy to pervert the course of justice with an unproven, non-evidenced abduction story that was only purported by the parents; who were in fact the last people to see their child Madeleine. Jemmy away on that one!
Oh and you forgot that there is a T in muppet too.
Who pulls your strings, or are you really the manipulative muppet master?
''It is not a debate. It is not pro or anti. ''
DeleteOK, a discussion. People discussing differing opinions about the same event.
''It is a matter of the death of a small, innocent child ''
No, actually we're discussing the case of a missing child called Madeleine McCann who vanished from a holiday apartment in Portugal in 2007. Where does your death fantasy about a little girl come from ?
''and the shameless conspiracy to pervert the course of justice with an unproven, non-evidenced abduction story that was only purported by the parents''
Really ? Who constructed the conspiracy ? Who took part in it ? Names ? How did the police miss it ? Do you think that the police would have had a better chance of solving the crime if they'd have stayed at home and just scoured the 'chat' on the internet ?
''Oh and you forgot that there is a T in muppet too. Who pulls your strings, or are you really the manipulative muppet master?''
Were the muppets ever on strings ? Or was that a conspiracy too.Nobody ever pulls my strings as I cut them off at birth. I think for myself and act for myself.I need no assistance from herds or tribes.
Here's wisdom : If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us.
Learn that.And you'll start talking sense.Eventually..