Wednesday, 12 September 2018

A BARREL OF RED HERRINGS - more funding for OG?

I have been checking out the latest news on Madeleine this morning and it's hard to tell what is going on. This case, as always, is a barrel of red herrings. Eg. It has been shelved indefinitely by Scotland Yard, more money has been requested, no it hasn’t, the parents still remain hopeful of finding Madeleine alive, etc, etc. The contents of the annual flurry of speculation and quotes from ‘sources’ are much the same every year, and all covered by the heading ‘nothing to see here’.  
 
Out of this year’s nothingness however, it is significant that Officers from OG have been visiting Portugal. This, from a Freedom of Information request, though I don’t know who from (please don’t let it be Bennett, lol). That to me suggests they are liaising closely with the PJ, which of course is essential if they are working together to bring a prosecution. One trip would suggest, 'yeah it was nice working with you, ta ta and all the best'. Several trips suggests conferences with Counsel, prosecutors, etc, all the steps necessary to tie the two investigations together.
 
And significant, yet again, is the silence from the McCann camp. Significant because they went to so much effort to have an independent Review. They launched a Petition and fundraiser amid a blaze of publicity and appeared on a multitude of news programs to plead directly to the government and the public to support them. At the time, they didn’t get what they wanted, I’m not sure they even got the 100,000k signatures they were aiming for. Their wish wasn’t granted until 7 months later via the front pages of the Sun.  
 
Why then are they so accepting of Operation Grange dragging on for so long without any results? Most parents in such a position would be literally going insane with their need to know what happened to their child.  Either OG are being horribly cruel, or the parents do not accept their findings.  I suspect the latter, which is why the McCanns are not knocking on the doors of Scotland Yard demanding results.  
 
Unfortunately, for the McCanns, neither the Review or the Investigation have given them the innocent stamp they so desperately need.  That validation of 'no involvement'' to wave in the face of the Goncalo Amaral, or the green light to re-launch the Madeleine Fund.  But worse, how can they continue a search for a living child that the police believe to be dead? And these are not just Portuguese police, these are British police.  It is ironic that two tabloids reporting this week are using videos of Gerry and Kate speaking about hope, Kate reassuring the interviewer and audience that ‘real progress’ is being made in the investigation. If she believed that, not sure if the interview was this year or last year, then why is she so accepting of it’s pending closure?
 
As many of my regular readers know I watch (too many) real crime documentaries, and it is heartbreaking to see the pain of those who have lost loved ones.  They never give up and they never stop chasing the police for results. Their need to know overwhelms them, which is why the public were so generous to Kate and Gerry.  In many cases, it completely takes over their lives. Winnie Johnson is the first mother who comes to mind. Other than Kate and Gerry, I have never seen a single case where the parents, loved ones, of the missing refuse to accept the missing person is dead. They need to know one way or the other. Winnie Johnson for example, insisted on being present when the police dug up The Moors in their search for her son’s body.
 
But returning to the continuation of Operation Grange. If their agenda was to lull those watching the case into apathy and disinterest, they have achieved a great result.  Even if Gerry and Kate were partying with Sir Cliff, Clement Freud and Ray Wyre on the evenings of 1st and 2nd May, it wouldn't knock Trump off the front pages.  Although, fly in a top tory politician and you might have a case. 
 
The massive gag 'order' or whatever it is that has protected the McCann camp from the mainstream media thus far,  cannot last forever.  Something's got to give.   The parents' loss of their libel actions against Goncalo Amaral has disarmed them in the Civil Law arena.  They have, metaphorically, had their designer (Carter Ruck) legal claws removed.  We haven't quite reached the stage where British publishers are clamouring for GA's book (we will), but at some point the tabloids, or a hungry journalist (moi, lol) will dip a toe.  Should the proverbial sh*t hit the fan, always a possibility, any tabloid carrying serialisation of Truth of the Lie will have a  scoop.  Just saying. 
 
The public's level  of apathy is probably as great as it will ever be, the world has moved on.  The Madeleine case is not the talking point it once was.  Announcements of more  funding for Operation Grange mean little to most of us, but I would imagine, are excruciatingly painful for those responsible for Madeleine's disappearance.  Their best result would be no more funding and the files archived, they cannot relax all the while the investigation(s) are live. 
 
Meanwhile I toy with the idea of the opportune moment for Operation Grange to announce their results.  At the end of their investigation, one would assume, but given all the VIPs involved, that day could be a)when Trump is marched out of the WH in handcuffs, b)when Theresa May twerks during PM's Questions, c)Boris breaks down and admits he's a racist and also he sold the UK to Vladimir (who can  resist those eyes?) Putin. 
 
I lean towards a)that visual strikes a note, and has for some reason become lodged  in my memory bank, when it happens it will feel like deja vu.  But I digress, for those still fighting for justice for Madeleine, that the police won't give up is a positive sign.  For the parents too, it should be a positive sign, but they're not saying.  Is it possible 11+ years on the police are looking at new leads? And that these leads evaded the Portuguese police and 8 (yeh, I know, but what I read somewhere this morning) firms of private detectives?  Is it possible British detectives based in London, are regularly flying to Portugal to tell their Portuguese counterparts about leads they missed? Seriously?
 
How do the number of flights of officers from OG to Portugal compare to the number of flights from previous years?  Are they more frequent? or less?  More, suggests something's brewing. How many conflabs do you need before you both accept it's  finally over?  Filing a case away with no further action, is a one meeting scenario, keeping in touch only prolongs the agony. 
 
If the objective of Operation Grange was to clear the parents of any involvement in their daughter's disappearance, then they have failed.  If anything they raised more suspicions.  First with their Crimewatch documentary that saw membership of online anti groups, triple, if not quadruple.  Largely in part, because the main suspect looked exactly like Gerry.  Perhaps Gerry should have changed the colour of his hair for that appearance, or at least grown a moustache.  The Crimewatch telephones were of course inundated with callers shouting 'behind you' to DCI Redwood and the presenters. 
 
Operation Grange then upped the ante by digging in PDL, err, within the vicinity of  the McCanns' apartment.  This was explained by Martin Brunt suggesting the abductor stopped to bury the body immediately after leaving the apartment?  As whoppers go, or shall we call it farce, MB was going out of his way to create a scenario that did not involve the parents. Impossible under the circumstances, and shame on him for trying. 'It's possible the (downgraded) burglar/abductor brought a shovel with him. Really Martin?  To top it all, man of few words, DCI Redwood stated Madeleine may not have been alive when she was taken.  Headline stuff for the online forums, but brushed under the carpet by the MSM.
 
As far as I remember the McCanns didn't comment at all on the digs, even though they were in Lisbon fighting a libel case against Goncalo Amaral at the time.  When asked, Gerry fielded a question with 'all areas are being investigated'.  He didn't express any fears nor did he offer or ask for any prayers during what must have been a very difficult time.  The digs, not the libel actions.  Now, that's cold.  Again, I remember Winnie Johnson, and all those mothers and fathers pleading with murderers for the return of their child's remains.  Gerry and Kate were a few miles up the road, not in a Church, but in a Court room. 
 
If the suspects in this case are the McCanns, then police and those in the know, are keeping it very close to their chests.  Both investigations appear to be ruled by Portuguese Judicial Secrecy laws, they have rarely spoken and when they have it has been ambiguous.  DCI Redwood's statement that 'neither the McCanns or their friends are suspects', reminds me of Bill Clinton waving a finger and stating 'I did not have sex with that woman'. Intended to put the armchair detectives off the scent, but effectively just adding to the speculation and research of odd bods who haven't stopped talking about the Madeleine case for 11 years. 
 
If I had a gift (like Sally Morgan, lol),  I would foresee a truck load of grief landing on many doorsteps (simultaneously) in the very near future.  True Operation Grange are not being pressurised by, well, anyone, not by politicians, the parents, not by the media, not even by the gobby Carole Malone, to carry on, or give up and archive what they have.  No-one is pressing them for answers. Again, not even the parents, politicians etc or the usually inquisitive media. 
 
Those insisting that Operation Grange is a cover up have the lack of anything happening as further proof that no-one will ever be charged and the findings of OG and the PJ will never be revealed to the public.  That is a myth among the more loony side of several forums and facebook pages, but it doesn't stand up to any reality checks.  Like how do you get 30+ homicide detective to swear allegiance to the abduction story? Each officer knowing the jeopardy they would be placing on the future careers.   Imagine a future interviewer; 'so you spent almost a  decade working on the Madeleine McCann case - how did that go?
 
We can for now only guess at what the two police forces have in mind.  They have given nothing, well almost nothing, away.  The digging in PDL is a visual that cannot be spun as a crime committed random abductor.  Those familiar with the facts of this case, will find it unbelievable that a burglar broke into Apartment 5A, immediately killed a child whilst two others slept, cleaned up and escaped with the child's body. Only to remain in the vicinity, holding the child, and digging a hole while a massive search was underway.  
 
It is possible this case will end with the blame being placed on a hapless burglar, who may well now be deceased.   And the chances are that no-one (other than Tony Bennet) will make a fuss.  But I don't think that will happen.  An £11m or is it £12m? police investigation cannot be swept under the carpet.  Operation Grange was launched in a blaze of publicity, and a statement from DCI (ManOfFewWords) Redwood 'Madeleine is either alive, or she is dead', go eat your heart out Shrodinger.  One day he, or rather his successors, will have to open that box.  I suspect they already have, and the cat was dead.   
 

205 comments:

  1. "As far as I remember the McCanns didn't comment at all on the digs, even though they were in Lisbon fighting a libel case against Goncalo Amaral at the time." Therein lies the problem. You don't remember, so take a wild guess. Kate was, at the time, running a marathon, stopping to be photographed, grinning. It appalled observers at the time.

    Your comparison of yourself to Sally Morgan is apt.

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    1. “TED Talks”

      A clever nickname, ‘TED Talks’. Apreciated.

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    2. "Appreciated"

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    3. The McCanns gave a press interview outside the door of the Lisbon court at the time of the digs Ted talks, it was and may still be, on their facebook page. The digs in Portugal were in June 2014, as was the MCanns door of the Court press conference.

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    4. 16 June 2014

      "McCanns 'distressed' by libel delay"

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo88S2cMtNo

      0:36

      Kate McCann: "Every time we come here we have to make arrangements for our children to be looked after..."

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    5. @ "Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton14 September 2018 at 09:55

      The McCanns gave a press interview outside the door of the Lisbon court at the time of the digs Ted talks, it was and may still be, on their facebook page. The digs in Portugal were in June 2014, as was the MCanns door of the Court press conference."

      So you are saying the Mccanns did not have any control over the court case and th digs in PDL.

      And you check the Mccanns Facebook page?

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  2. This case will never be solved as long as Operation Grange continue to look for a body in Portugal, and without a body there's absolutely no case to answer to.

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    1. Where else do you suggest they look?

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    2. Somewhere safe and secure and closer to home, there was a lot of mileage on the hire car.

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    3. Closer to home?
      Via diplomatic bag?

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    4. I get where you are coming from,but despite what anyone thinks it's the lack of evidence that'll be the downfall of the investigation,it was either there in the first place o r not and is likely to be still there or as more likely theres none which seems to be why theres the on going saga of will they won't they find OG.

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  3. Very well stated Rosalinda.
    I love the bit in the your last paragraph about - "it is possible this case will end with the blame being placed on a hapless burglar, who may well now be deceased".

    What a wonderful way for the investigation to fade out into the sunset, but unlikely to wash with the public.

    In all seriousness, it begs the question. Does a police force have to reveal anything to anybody about an investigation.
    Can I go to any police station and demand to see the transcripts and investigation tactics in a case against my next door neighbors Mr and Mrs X, for a crime I think they probably committed but they were never prosecuted for.
    Most likely I would be shown the door and likely come under investigation myself.
    I'm hoping one of your contributors might have the answer.

    You did mention "Freedom of information". I've heard about it but have no clue how to access this magic formula or how it would apply to Operation Grange. Incidentally, why did they give this "Grange" such a stupid name anyway. At least like hurricanes they could have used a man or woman's name (The national weather service used to use female names only...but that was sexist) lol.
    But I'm getting off the track.
    Have a nice day.
    jc

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    1. Hello JC

      “Can I go to any police station and demand to see the transcripts and investigation tactics in a case against my next door neighbors Mr and Mrs X, for a crime I think they probably committed but they were never prosecuted for”

      A very interesting question JC, and this is as a matter of fact what a lot of people have done in our country for many years, because we’ve a long tradition of access to public files. I remember that there were discussions in the EU about our laws and our rights in this respect and that there were countries that were less liberal than us.

      I don’t know so much about the British laws,I suppose Rosalinda has some knowledge, but If there are no specific domestic laws in the UK (unfortunately I fear that there are), that restrict the fundamental right of freedom of expression stated in article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human rights, then any British citizen have access to all public information held by the Met/SY or any other governmental institution.

      Thus, there must be a legitimate reason if the British authorities decide to keep information about a crime case or whatever secret from the general public. It’s understandable that the OG cannot give away all details in an ongoing crime investigation, but as far as the Madeleine case is concerned, it has been investigated for so long time now, so the least one would expect is that the Operation Grange would give the general public some kind of information on regular basis about what’s going on, even if there’s no progress. Apparently they don’t and that’s the reason as to why we’re told blatant lies in the British MSM.

      If the McCanns are no suspect, why cannot the Met/SY/OG explicitly say so? If they’re under investigation, what principles or what law prevents or allows the authorities to keep it secret? Access to public files/records is a cornerstone in a democratic society and I’d wish that journalists exerted more pressure on the OG with reference to the fundamental rights of the British citizens. Remember, had not the Portuguese PJ released their files about the case, I doubt that anyone of us would be discussing the Madeleine case today.

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  4. 11 June, 2014 - Update from Operation Grange

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140701102633/http://findmadeleine.com/updates/index.html

    (...)

    "There is still a substantial amount of work yet to be completed in the coming weeks and months, which again should be viewed as no more than normal operational activity in a case of this size and complexity. This recent work is part of ensuring that all lines of enquiry are progressed in a systematic manner and covers just the one hypothesis that she was killed and buried locally. This is the same as would be done in the UK for a murder or high risk missing person enquiry. The scientific support staff involved were there to provide the highest level of assurance that this area was searched to the highest possible standards."

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  5. Once again we all seem to be forgetting the fact that the crime happened in Portugal, not the UK, so the Portuguese have jurisdiction over the case. Wasn't OG just supposed to be an investigative review, and that's all, so would they have any clout in interviewing any suspects? Why have OG spent £11m on a review, would SY be happy if police from Portugal came to the UK and spent many years reviewing a case of a Portuguese resident who died in the UK, I very much doubt it.

    I wonder what is really going on and has OG been propping up the PJ all along seeing as they've been visiting Portugal not too long ago. The McCanns have been very quiet for a long time, it seems they are not in the loop and have just made their usual lame announcements, "we are grateful for the time OG has given to our case, blah, blah, blah". I doubt they have a clue what is going on but have to keep up appearances for all those idiots still donating to their "Fund".

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  6. Re: 21:59
    Hi Bjorn,
    You are lucky indeed to live in a progressive country with access to public files. Unfortunately with Britain's abandonment of the European Union the likelyhood of increased rights or access to information will be the last thing on the minds of the British government.

    The UK has always been an oddball place as far as international law goes.
    (Mostly wealthy)People who like to sue, come from all over the globe to this country to try cases that have the remotest connection to someone or something in their brief which is relevant to England. If it has an English connection it can be tried here.

    Traditionally English law comes down hard on the contestant who is being sued because the English laws are so much more favorable to the prosecution (don't ask me why).
    That's why all the publishers of "The Truth Of The Lie" are terrified of printing Amaral's book here.
    jc

    PS: And to think, England is the only country in the world where you are NOT a citizen.
    You are a British Subject. Nothing less than a subject of Queen Elizabeth the second. How wonderful is that.

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  7. The #CensorshipMachines are coming.

    https://saveyourinternet.eu/

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  8. Anonymous 13 September 2018 at 02:51

    You are mistaken.

    T

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  9. The alternative view is it could also be a myth 30 plus homicide detectives have ever worked on the case.

    Has anybody seen the team photo?

    Were the 30 plus officers ever seen together or worked in the same building?

    We are told 4 officers are still full time on the case, is there any proof? Did SY really have 30 plus homicide officers who could read, write and speak fluent Portuguese.

    We were told Hillsborough was an above board investigation. JC de Menezes and many others all turned out to be a pack of lies. Told by Police.

    There are many hardworking police at the bottom and too many bent ones at the top.

    Just check out how many Chief and Assistant Chief Constables have been arrested, charged with crimes including perverting the course of justice or taken early retirement before their collar was felt in the McCann years.

    Leicestershire's Assistant C.C threw himself under a train days before appearing in court. .

    In the de Menezes case, the Gold Commander who lied, was promoted to head of the Met.

    The fish rots from the head perhaps that is the reason for the visits to Portugal

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    1. Hi JJ, I hope you are well :)

      Ok. Suppose it is all a myth, there weren't 30+ officers at the start, and there aren't now.

      Why? What possible reason could those officers we have seen, have to take part in what would essentially be a corrupt and illegal investigation? Why would those officers, however many, put their necks on the line to protect two not very likeable doctors?

      Yes I know there have been cover ups in the past, but they have been uncovered, that's why we know about them. The Madeleine case went global, ergo, the eyes of the world are watching, anything released by Scotland Yard will be carefully scrutinized.

      I don't believe a cover up is possible in this case JJ. Even accepting your myth, how do you explain the Portuguese investigation? Are they in on it too?

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    2. JJ 13 Sept 10.13

      Just because there are no photos of the police team working on the case doesn't mean it's a myth. Why would their faces be plastered all over the internet when they are working on such a sensitive case. They would be open to fraud, corruption, blackmail, death threats, not only them also their children and families would be hounded.

      The McCanns' sycophants don't know where to draw a line when it comes to protecting their "gods", hence the demise of poor Brenda.

      I don't know of any police officers who have had their mug shots all over the internet when working on other cases, why should this one be any different?

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    3. ''The McCanns' sycophants don't know where to draw a line when it comes to protecting their "gods", hence the demise of poor Brenda.''

      You mean the poor lady who ended her own life. What drove her to that point ? Obviously have facts that no inquest were privy to. Why don't you furnish us all with them. Or are yo hoping the phrase 'poor Brenda' cons us all into thinking you have some normality about you ?

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    4. @00:04

      “… the poor lady who ended her own life.”

      Indeed, peace be upon her.

      That you put very well. It seems the best one can do under the circumstances is to hope that she found peace and think of her family..

      T

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    5. anon 13 Sep 16:28

      I don't know of any police officers who have had their mug shots all over the internet when working on other cases, why should this one be any diferrent?

      Eastbourne Herald Tues Sep 11 2018
      group photo of police Sexual Offenders Investigation Trained team.Note all female and picture on the internet

      Just because you have no knowledge of something doesn't mean it doesn't happen.Keep an open mind.

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    6. @ T = Anonymous14 September 2018 at 10:12

      Yet no-one can let her or her memory rest in peace.

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    7. Anonymous 14 September 2018 at 20:59

      You are mistaken: I can and I do.

      T

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  10. 20 paragraphs to say nothing new whatsoever, Ros. You've said it all before. Desperate.

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    1. Sorry to bore you 13:14, why on earth do you keep coming back?

      I'm actually more bored than desperate 13:14, I continue as I feel obliged to those who keep tuning in. There is still interest in the Madeleine case, it is not huge, but there is an audience who have followed this case all through, and it is a subject they are still curious about.

      No desperation from me 13:14. As a child I was a chatterbox and I am a chatterbox still, only now I share my chat online. I feel very fortunate indeed that so many want to read my musings.

      My blog is unique, in that, without rules, regulations and monitoring, it is evolved naturally into an area on the web where the case of missing Madeleine can be discussed rationally. I don't claim to have solved the case (as if, lol) and I don't libel anyone. Any author who has had their put through a 'legal reading' knows all about libel.

      I am probably considerably more harmful to the McCann case than poor Brenda was. Or even those who have devoted their lives to tweeting about Madeleine 24/7. I'm not hiding behind a fake name, I'm not making weird and salacious accusations. And when they launched their ill fated war on anti McCann trolls online, I didn't get so much as a mention. Despite the fact that Exposing the Myths and Stop the Mythhs, devoted so much time on collecting 100+ pages of evidence on me. All taken offline after Brenda committed suicide.

      Happily the psychopaths prefer their own and each others' company and they have now got rid of all those will independent thought. Not my cup of tea, but they seem to like it.

      Maybe lay off the bitter pills for a while 13:14, it's becoming sad to watch.

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    2. Ros 13 Sept 15.33

      I have been on Madeleine's side since 3rd May 2007 and will be until the bitter end. I enjoy reading your blogs, you are very articulate in what you write and it is a safe haven for people to vent their frustrations and to divulge their thoughts, whether others are interested or not. I don't post very much but pop in every day to see what is new.

      I don't agree with your politics but I do like your writings, so please do carry on until you feel it is too much and is taking up too much of your time. It's not something I could do but it is appreciated by us who dwell here and comment.

      As for Sky's breaking news regarding SY being granted more funds, I expect they cannot close the case as the Portuguese Court said some time ago that "the McCanns have not been cleared", so that must be a huge stumbling block for SY and the McCanns if they are intent on it being put on hold. How do they get out of that predicament I wonder?

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    3. Many thanks for your kind words 15:58, they are very much appreciated.

      I'm not sure I agree with my politics at times lol. I used to describe myself as a Marxist Feminist on my old AOL profile which for readers conjured up an image of a dungaree wearing, jackbooted lesbian swigging white cider! In fact one old foe, used to call me Waynetta!

      I'm actually very prim and proper, lol, more Hyacinth Bouquet than Susie Quatro. And I am delighted to say that I am treated with an enormous amount of respect by everyone I meet. I think of myself as an old school marm, with a bit of a twinkle in her eye, and I guess that's how strangers see me, as they take extra care with their pronunciation and drop the cussing, lol.

      As for politics, I feel a bit like Marx (Groucho, not Karl) in that I wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would have me. I did once toy with the idea of joining the WI, that would put a bat up their kilts!

      I support Jeremy Corbyn wholeheartedly. He is a truly wonderful man, as is John McDonnell. I often picture the pair of them sat back in leather armchairs putting the world to rights, and I am in awe.

      Unfortunately, I am not much of a team player, and I don't want to be a follower or leader either. Chuck in commitment phobe, and I find it difficult to fit in anywhere.

      But I m not a supporter of every socialist idea. Especially those politically correct ideas that are decimating our language forcing us to behave like automatons. No, I'm not a fan of #metoo, and would love to rant about it, but I fear I have enough online enemies as it is! lol

      Thank you so much for popping in each day 15:58, it is people like yourself who keep me going. When I see a surge in the numbers obliged, and indeed inspired, to write something new.

      I don't think there is any way of knowing how they will break such a stalemate, until it happens. However, they still have breathing space. They said September and there is 2 weeks to go!

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    4. Anonymous 13 September 2018 at 15:58

      Greetings and thank you for your comment.

      “As for Sky's breaking news regarding SY being granted more funds, I expect they cannot close the case as the Portuguese Court said some time ago that "the McCanns have not been cleared", so that must” be a huge stumbling block for SY and the McCanns if they are intent on it being put on hold. How do they get out of that predicament I wonder?”


      Why do you think what the Portuguese Court said “…must be a huge stumbling block for SY…” if they want to close the case?

      The McCanns are waiting to hear from the European Court of Human Rights, and, it might appear, so are OG.

      Regards.

      T

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    5. Anon 14 Sept 15.10

      As far as I can remember the case that the McCanns put in front of the ECHR has nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance or SY. I can't be bothered to look it up at the moment but it is a question of the McCanns think they know better than the ECHR and the Portuguese on their laws, not whether they are involved in the disappearance of Madeleine.

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    6. T (14 September at 15:10)

      "The McCanns are waiting to hear from the European Court of Human Rights, and, it might appear, so are OG."

      My thoughts exactly. NL


      Anonymous 15 September at 15:46

      I think T is well aware of that. As I understand it, he means the examination of the application (admissible/inadmissible).

      https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Your_Application_ENG.pdf

      "It is not possible to say how long it will take the Court, on average, to examine an application. It depends on the type of case, the judicial formation it is assigned to, how swiftly the parties give the Court theinformation it needs and many other factors. The Court examines applications in a certain order, which takes into account the importance and the urgency of the issues involved. This means, for example, that the most serious cases or those which reveal the existence of problems on a large scale will be given priority, which explains why an application that was lodged later than yours may be decided while your case is still pending before the Court."

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  11. 13 September 2018

    Sky News Breaking
    ‏@SkyNewsBreak

    Scotland Yard has asked the Home Office for another six months of funding to support its joint operation with Portuguese police in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

    https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1040202401565868032

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    1. Thank you for that 13:24, I wonder has it been granted? I'm guessing yes. Not good news for those responsible for Madeleine's disappearance. Until the investigation is closed or shelved, they have a dark cloud over them.

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    2. And the same news will 'break' next year. Like last year. That's how a cycle works. Nobody see a pattern yet after 11 years ? The protection of the parents will continue.The denial of any evidence will continue. And the majority will take both of those factors as being the same thing. A classic case of adding 2 + 2 and getting 7. I'm of the thought that the perpetrator/s are enjoying the real protection, and the 'absence' of any incriminating evidence is why the parents are being shielded from the suspicion that resulted from it in the minds of a restless public who still have problems adding up. Why else would no expense be spared, yet no arrests made ? OG's primary function is to sustain the illusion of a review / ongoing investigation. I believe the only reason the whole thing hasn't been shelved until a later date is because the perpetrator/s still have leverage. I can't believe that either police force isn't embarrassed by this bizarre annual ritual. There has to be a really good reason to carry it on rather than spare their blushes. They know this case won't be solved. Exactly why is another question.One I'd wager is only answerable to those in a separate loop labelled 'need to know basis' . Maybe Amaral's quip about the case being 'allowed' to be solved only when British intelligence opens their own files was a hint.That would also suggest that this was always far more than a police matter.That, I'd suggest, removes members of the public from the persons of interest list.That list only appears to be one of suspicious members of the public when it's showtime. Nobody seriously them to lead anywhere any more.

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    4. Thank you for your post 17:52, it was interesting.

      However, I don't for one moment think OG or the PJ are struggling to solve this case. It was probably solved a long time ago, but what they lacked was evidence. Witnesses and suspects cannot be forced to talk. Once they say 'I want a lawyer', that's it. Gerry and Kate 'lawyered up' straight away, no doubt, so did the Tapas friends. As they were all central to everything that happened that night, the investigation came to a halt.

      Seven years is indeed a very long time for a criminal investigation, but as yet we have no idea of the enormity of the crime(s) that are being investigated, nor the number of suspects that may be involved. I'm kind of sticking with Sir BHH's 130+.

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    5. '' I don't for one moment think OG or the PJ are struggling to solve this case. It was probably solved a long time ago, but what they lacked was evidence.''

      Maybe, but no evidence is hardly a minor point.If, as you assert, they solved it so long ago, they're guilty of conspiracy to keep a charade going-or at least the UK part of the investigation is if they're still pumping money into it.There are cases of murder that have seen suspects found guilty and sentenced and to this day no body or DNA is available to point to.If things are so cut and dried, even if we're talking circumstantial evidence and witness testimony, that can be enough.

      You talk about the enormity of the crime.Murder is as enormous as it gets, the rest just spells worse trouble-ie, perverting the course of justice, concealment of a crime / body etc.That's of secondary importance, and has been for years.If they have that kind of confidence they should move.Since around 2000 in the UK the CPS has been pleading poverty, as has the legal aid system.This is partially why on-the-spot-fines emerged, to save on resources and staging of small trials in Crown Courts( A day used to come to around 40 grand in 2000 ).But the CPS claiming it can't risk such a big financial gamble wouldn't hold water after the time that's gone by and the 10 plus million. Some stromg cases against suspects have evidence and still lose- a minority it's true.But that can't justify never taking a gamble if you think you have a good case against anyone for a serious crime . The public would rather see their taxes spent on the gamble than a fake investigation or review.The police and politicians are our servants( ostensibly) and we pay their salaries.They either have no idea who did what and who went where, or they daren't say.

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  12. Regarding my comment at 6.47.
    Has there ever been a known case where a body has been smuggled out or in via a diplomatic bag? And bag could mean anything up to shipping container size.
    I know there have been cases where drugged people have been discovered,but I wonder about a body which I would imagine might be easier.
    I am not suggesting anything here although I think the concept is interesting,just raising the idea for discussion.


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    1. Smuggling live children is understandable when you consider that they can be sold or something far worse.Why would anyone want to travel from one country to another with a corpse ?

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    2. The abduction occurred in 2007. The PJ shelved the case a calander year later in 2008 due to lack of evidence.Grange was launched in 2011.That's four years after the event and 3 years after the PJ had conceded that it was going nowhere and probably never would.It's 2018 now.Do you believe a case with such a sparsity of evidence and which was shelved within 12 months can take 7 years to 'review' ? If so, you're asleep.

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    3. @ 13th Sept 21:09
      Because there would be nothing for anyone to find in Portugal.
      No body no case.
      In the Uk disposal or rather burial would be easy with no one looking.
      Hypothetically speaking of course.

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    4. Anonymous 13 September 2018 at 21:18

      “Do you believe a case with such a sparsity of evidence and which was shelved within 12 months can take 7 years to 'review' ?

      Good question. However, I’ve been under the impression that the review had metamorphosed into an investigation some years ago..

      T

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    5. Mark Rowley:

      "As detectives, we will always be extremely disappointed when we are unable to provide an explanation of what happened. However the work carried out by Portuguese and Met officers in reviewing material and reopening the investigation has been successful in taking a number of lines of interest to their conclusion. That work has provided important answers.

      http://news.met.police.uk/blog_posts/ac-mark-rowley-reflects-on-the-tenth-anniversary-of-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-56775

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    6. @ Anonymous14 September 2018 at 10:24

      What made you think it had metamorphosed into an investigation at any time ? Do you mean you suspect it did rather than you were under the impression ? Yes, I know, 'they probably haven't told us' etc. It could be dual purpose I suppose. Or, if we consider the length of time it took the PJ to throw in the towel and the amount of years OG have had to review no evidence, it could be argued, based on the lack of progress or results that it is in fact neither.It's a sham.If the case closed today there'd be uproar on the internet.There'd be all kinds of amateur reporters taking over youtube and God knows how many daytime TV programmes starting again from 2007. It's easier to pretend it's 'ongoing'. Common sense suggests nothing will happen.The years will just keep ticking by.Why wouldn't they.

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    7. Anonymous14 September 2018 at 08:27

      I think you'll find(online) that PDL and surrounding areas and Portugal as a whole is a haven for people needing to bury bodies.Why would anyone need to carry a corpse around in a warm country to take home like a momento then bury it in the UK ? Risking all kinds at Customs and under the eye of CCTV and the noses of the public. You'd have to be on drugs are an escaped mental patient to take the risk.

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    8. @12:13

      Bugger! You again, Freudy… How many times do I have to tell you off for thinking you can read my thoughts? You are shit at it. And stop looking at me as if I’m your father. And please stop psychoanalysing my English. I said what I said. Listen here: it’s just a minute and a half long:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnW3H7-DFOAv=YnW3H7-DFOA

      Haven’t you heard they dug up half of Praia da Luz?

      Carl

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    9. Anonymous 14 September 2018 at 11:02

      Indeed. Much obliged. I remembered that but didn’t have a link handy. Do you remember Hogan-Howe, I think, saying “…murder investigation..”?

      Regards.

      Carl (T)

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    10. Anonymous 14 September 2018 at 12:13

      Futher to my earlier post.

      “Or, if we consider the length of time it took the PJ to throw in the towel and the amount of years OG have had to review no evidence, it could be argued, based on the lack of progress or results that it is in fact neither.It's a sham.If the case closed today there'd be uproar on the internet.There'd be all kinds of amateur reporters taking over youtube and God knows how many daytime TV programmes starting again from 2007. It's easier to pretend it's 'ongoing'. Common sense suggests nothing will happen.The years will just keep ticking by.Why wouldn't they. “

      This indeed could be argued. I see no problem with such an argument. I also don’t think that it’s likely that anything will happen any time soon.

      Respect, Freudy.

      T

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      Update on the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann
      News • Oct 28, 2015 14:49 GMT

      http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-madeleine-mccann-135459

      “…the review became a full investigation in July 2012.”

      Enough?

      T

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    12. Anonymous14 September 2018 at 18:12

      T, Carl, and Carl(T)

      Moe than enough, thank you. As i said, It could be argued that it is both or neither. One has to balance the progress and developments all these years on against how much integriy OG actually has - doesn't one. Time, waiting in the wings, speaking of senseless things, suggests we now know two things OG isn't.

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      "As detectives, we will always be extremely disappointed when we are unable to provide an explanation of what happened ''

      Yes, Mr Rowley, I'm sure that goes without saying.But, what about when you are able but prevented by those who sit 'upstairs' ?

      ''reopening the investigation has been successful in taking a number of lines of interest to their conclusion''

      Lines such as making sure that no forensic evidence can incriminate anybody and that the 'sightings' vaguely resembled the many efits - but not enough. Sold some papers though and made the detectives look busy.

      ''That work has provided important answers.''

      There has only ever been two important questions :

      1- Where did Madeleine go ?

      2- How did she get there ?

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    14. Anonymous 14 September 2018 at 21:50

      “Moe than enough, thank you.”

      Not at all.

      “It could be argued that it is both or neither,”

      It could, I agree.

      One has to balance the progress and developments all these years on against how much integriy OG actually has - doesn't one.

      One does indeed if one is so inclined.

      “Time, waiting in the wings, speaking of senseless things, suggests we now know two things OG isn't.”

      I’ve lost you here, sorry. What are you saying?

      Thanks

      T

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    15. Anonymous15 September 2018 at 10:11

      Comrade

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQSZR3NSqm8

      Namaste

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  13. 13th September 2018, 7:45 pm

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7249512/madeleine-mccann-met-police-home-office-funding-search/

    "The Met Police said earlier this week it was 'in dialogue' with the Home Office over more funding to carry on the 11-year hunt - which has cost £11million to date.

    But the Home Office today told The Sun Online no formal request has been made."

    ?

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    1. Many thanks 20:43, there appears to be a lot of taunting going on. Those involved must be on tenterhooks right now, whatever the Home Office or Operation Grange decide could change their lives forever. Best case scenario for them would be shelved until a later date, ie. never.

      It may carry on for another six months, or even another couple of years, no matter to those of us who follow the case, but excruciatingly uncomfortable for whom the result of OG matters a great deal.

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  14. Anon 13 Sept 14.48

    I would have looked more closely at the advertising hoarding van that was brought to PDL for about 2 days then quietly disappeared without any fuss? What was that all about?

    It was driven through Portugal/Spain as far as I can remember. What a handy vehicle to have to pick things up en route. I wonder if it was subjected to any search/sniffer dogs at the ports or was it just waved through as it belonged to the celebs of the year, errr, I mean brokenhearted parents, "the McCanns".

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    1. That advertising hoarding van was another weird phenomenon in this case. I mean I kind of get what they were up to. Even going at full throttle the Team McCann publicity department couldn't hit every town in Europe with posters, banners and good quality wristbands. A mobile billboard I imagine, covered a lot of ground and took the message to a lot of people.

      It was not enough for Gerry and Kate to have posters and fliers pasted up all over Europe, they were competing with the likes of Pepsi for advertising space. I believe they even persuaded a chain of cinemas to put Madeleine adverts on during the kids shows, happily the parents stepped in and said wtf? Most households avoid telling small children a stranger could steal them from their beds.

      I look back on the early years 21:14, as the full on twilight zone. Everything about this case was so extraordinary, yet it was accepted, and applauded as brave and normal. Wtf I think was going through many of our heads!

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    2. @ 13 September 21:14
      Yes I have wondered about that too.
      It would be risky though to assume you would be waved through ports and such like.
      Much better if the vehicle had diplomatic immunity.
      Vehicles can travel as diplomatic baggage too in shipping crates and are tamper-proof sealed.

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    3. Does anyone have the dates the advertising van was in PDL and when it left,was it before or after the mccanns hired the car ?

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    4. Usually when a covert operation is carried out especially in a highly visible environment,whatever it might be,usually a decoy is deployed too.
      The advertising van could have been just such a decoy with all eyes on that etc,while the 'real' package or vehicle is either flying or sailing to the UK.
      Once again, all hypothetical and all that.

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    5. Anon 14 Wpt 09.06

      In my comment of 21.14 regarding the advertising van, I meant that there were numerous opportunities for a body to be dumped driving through Portugal and Spain, anyone seeing the van at the side of the road would have probably assumed that the driver was having a break or a loo stop. There are hundreds of miles of rough terrain, many places deserted.

      I meant sniffer dogs regarding a corpse that could have been transported on the van, not that it was still there going through customs.

      I didn't make myself very clear.

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    6. Yes that's fine, you could be right about that too instead of my idea of a body being brought back here.
      Where is nobody looking though or likely to look in the future?
      They say the best place to hide a body is in a grave.I suggest a better place is a different country.
      In my possible scenario even the cremation theory could be correct and not a body brought back to the Uk via a diplomatic bag,but an urn of ashes.

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    7. How does the creator of the cremation theory explain the body being buried weeks later ( which he also crated).Maybe we should talk about a body once we have heard there's been a death and that there's actual evidence that a detective is prepared to talk about at a press conference. Until then, there's lots of pulp fiction on Amazon.

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    8. @ 10:43
      The van left Scotland on the 7th May 2007 and the trip took a claimed 13 days.
      The bbc has a report of the van in PDL on their online edition dated the 28th May.
      Various drivers took part apparently and I dont know how true this is,but they were paid a claimed £5000 each.

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    9. Correction to post. I read May 07 to mean day at first not year.
      The van left on the 25th May and took 3 days to arrive.The 28th was the day the rental car was hired too.
      The complete trip took 13 days.

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    10. @ 14 September 22:01
      I dont know to your first point and as your second point,true, but what we going to talk about then? Abuction and no other scenario?
      I have no idea if what I suggested as a possibility is true or not,I merely put it forward to see if anyone else has thought the same.As far as I'm aware I haven't heard the idea before (the diplomatic bag bit).I also added the proviso that it was all hypothetical.
      I do find the advertsing van thing however very interesting and worthy of further duscussion.

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  15. Hi Ros, Really you don't know what is happening so surmise in he absence of anything substantial, much like all bloggers on the McCann case do.

    Of course Operation Grange are visiting Portugal in order to discuss matters with their PJ counterparts but what on earth would make you think for one minute that they are creating a case against the McCann couple? That is probably furthest from the truth.

    Regarding the funding do not listen to the tabloids because you surely know they will write a heap of rubbish and headline it in such a way it grabs the attention.

    As Mark Saunokonoko has proven via the UK Parliament site Q&A that Operation Grange have not approached the Home Office for funding to date and if and when they do then the funding will be considered. After all, this is now out of the McCanns hands and so it will be up to the police whether they want more money to attempt to conclude the case.

    Here from Mr Saunokonoko is the link to follow:

    https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/written-questions-answers-statements/written-questions-answers/?page=1&max=20&questiontype=AllQuestions&house=lords&use-dates=True&answered-from=2018-09-13&member=4171&keywords=Madeleine%2CMccann

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    1. Thank you for your post and for the helpful links 09:57.

      Your 'what on earth would make you think' outrage is a tadd over the top 09:57, considering the McCanns were, and for many people still are, the main suspects. You are acting as if their former arguido status has long been forgotten. It hasn't.

      It isn't therefore a great leap, to imagine that the two police forces are working towards a prosecution. That's what police do, it's their job.

      Why do you think the British police have flying out to Portugal to meet with their counterparts? It doesn't take the police forces of two countries 7 years and countless millions to capture a hapless burglar.

      If, as you say, my theory is 'furthest from the truth', then why are the parents of Madeleine being tortured with constant extensions of the investigation? If they have cleared the McCanns and their friends definitively, then it is horribly cruel of them not to announce it publicly. Imagine the boost it would have given in their claim against Goncalo Amaral?

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    2. Thank you for your reply.

      My thoughts are this. We know the McCanns are not considered to be suspects nor even persons of interest and it is perhaps the last those persons of interest that carries more weight than the word "suspect".

      Understandably they would have been looked at as the very first people to look at being the last to see her alive (or Gerry was). That does not mean they were the perpetrator Ros. It is the way the police work, usually. However, in the case of the PJ, sadly they seemed hell bent on looking only at the parents and not beyond and I find that quite strange to be honest.

      They have not changed much from the Portugal Residents article of the attempted abduction of a little girl from Lagos just a week or two ago and no reaction to it from them. Why not?

      The McCanns are being tortured with the length of time, of course they are, but immensely grateful for the police wanting to get answers to their daughter's disappearance. And should OG fail then they will pick up the gauntlet and carry on searching until they have some answers.

      My view is Operation Grange may very well have a particular group in sight and not the Tapas 7. Intelligence reports are at their disposal where they are not at yours nor mine. Must make a huge difference.

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    3. I apologise for not answering you about the Met not announcing the McCanns being cleared of involvement. If you go back to Andy Redwood's days he most certainly did tell us that the McCanns and their Tapas friends are not suspects nor persons of interest in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

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    4. He did indeed say that 11:08, but how many times have we heard the police declare people not suspects only to go on arrest them the next day.

      Why did the McCanns' not use DCI Redwood's statement in their libel claims? I'm not sure that statement convinced anyone 11:08, it wasn't backed up with reasons why the McCanns and their friends were not suspects, nor details of why they were ruled out. Ergo, it would not stand up in Court.

      Since day 1, the McCanns have played the 'police are not looking at us' game, they have, successfully it must be said, created a narrative whereby the police are working with them and for them.

      That OG and the PJ are still looking at an abduction is all part of that narrative and it has been reinforced by weird police statements, most notably Chief Inspector Rowley's bizarre burglar theory. It's strange how adding an authoritative voice can make nonsense sound credible - Clarence Mitchell made a fine art of it.

      But I digress, looking for an abductor, is the fodder for the masses and probably will be until someone can figure out a way to solve this crime without the British looking colonial and corrupt.

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    5. Thank you for your post 10:49, but I would take issue with a number of points.

      We don't 'know' that the McCanns are not suspects or persons of interest for reasons I have just explained in another post. If were safely off the hook, I fully believe they would still be campaigning and fundraising, just as they were when the Portuguese shelved their files.

      I personally think the McCanns and the detectives investigating Madeleine's disappearance, parted ways a long time ago. DCI Redwood's statement that Madeleine may not have been alive when she left the apartment was far more damaging to their 'search' than anything Goncalo Amaral said. And of course we also had the visual of Scotland Yard and Portuguese police digging up areas in the vicinity of 5A. It takes some front to say the police are looking for a live child after that.

      But 'front' is something the McCanns have in abundance. Their press conferences at the time of the digs were all about the distress caused to them by Goncalo Amaral. Having flow out to Lisbon to give evidence, the case had been adjourned at the request of GA. They were unable to hide their anger and frustration at GA, who simply wouldn't hand over the large sum of cash they believed was their due, and who was deliberately inconveniencing them - the cad.

      Significant, was the lack of their distress at the police search for their child's body, just a few kilometres down the coast. Bizarre.

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    6. continues from my post at 12:15

      I don't see how the McCanns can possibly be immensely grateful to Operation Grange. For what? They may have been immensely grateful in the beginning, but 7 years on? For a couple who are usually so quick to anger, why aren't they hopping mad?

      I'm intrigued that you think OG have a different group [not the Tapas]in their sights. In which case, why aren't the parents and their friends assisting OG in the nailing of this group?

      When people are innocent they help the police as much as they can because they know there might be something in the information they give that will lead to the 'real' perpetrator. If the McCanns and their friends have refused to co-operate they will have made the job of the police twice as hard. And why wouldn't they co-operate with the police, a child's life was at risk.

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    7. A lot to reply to above Ros so forgive me if this appears disjointed. My post earlier didn't read particularly well because I had a caller and the flow was gone but I hope you got the gist of it, in fact it appears you did!

      Where to begin in reply? Maybe we need to go back (again) to the first hours after Madeleine was found to be missing, and the lack of urgency from Goncalo Amaral. The GNR were slow but he was in reverse! Indeed he waxes lyrical in his book about going home and peeling off his socks and looking at Sofia before drifting off to sleep, this after having been alerted to a little girl's disappearance. Oh yes he delegated to another junior PJ officer who didn't seem to have much about him but he did put in an appearance some hours later, which I suppose for them is working swiftly?

      So the investigation rolled on for months, the McCanns answering to all questioning during the lengthy interrogations, for that is what the word means. The 48 q's that raise some people's eyebrows are, in my opinion, rather enforcing the view that Goncalo Amaral was determined to have the parents arrested in light of the change in law in Portugal about to be invoked and thereafter he lost his chance. Also remember Gerry answered the q's put to him but Kate was cautioned by her lawyer not to do so. I think most would think the lawyer knows what he is talking about and take his advice?

      The McCanns stayed put until later in September and all the while the PJ were allegedly (though not proven) working on the case. Kate & Gerry were agitated about the length of time it was taking to get anywhere as anybody in their position would be? For you to have said they showed no signs of being distressed in the immediate aftermath, I respectfully suggest you google their names and go to "images" and scroll through them all and you will see distress, but you will also see them smile, but as that has yet to be made illegal I doubt they will be arrested on having committed such an offence in the eyes of a few. I suggest that on Madeleine's birthday when the sudden balloon released, which floated past them, caused them to smile, it was momentarily, but, of course, people cherry pick what they want to suit their own agenda. The still actually came from a video depicting more truthfully what had taken place.

      We can discuss this until the cows come home & have done a thousand times or more. Online groups and bloggers will be dismissed as there is no way they have the information the police in both countries are working from. Very little is seen of the case online and yet people form a view from that and even go beyond and become judgemental. I wonder how they would react had they been in such a dire position. Some say they would be on sedatives and crumble and some say they would scratch at Portugal's soil in order to find the little girl but they say that from their armchairs. I believe many would have to become sedated but good for the McCanns they took a very different and proactive stance.

      On the digs close to 5a, well that was because of a report from someone who lived overlooking the scrubland because he or she had seen some activity. It was often used to dump waste but the police decided to go and search and with dogs and came up with nothing at all. Of course Kate & Gerry would have their hearts in their mouths much the same way they did when our searching and looking in dumpster trucks. God, to find their daughter dead would be devastating, of course it would.







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    8. Nothing was achieved by the PJ that we know of and eventually the McCanns decided enough was enough and there had to be a better way of getting help and thus they requested to come home and the PJ granted it. The case files were put up on a shelf and that would have been the end of it had the McCanns not lobbied for help when home in UK, something a guilty person would not do. But remember that the Attorney General summarised by saying there was no indication of a crime committed by the McCanns we have since heard from Pedro do Carmo that they had not been suspects for many years an this was echoed, in effect, by Andy Redwood when he said they were neither suspects nor persons of interest. The 2 police forces told us this so why not accept it as true? Yes Andy Redwood also stated that it was SOME officers feelings Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive, and that could also be true, but there is no proof to take the police in that direction so they continue to look for the live child or at least to find out her fate and hopefully bring those who acted against her to trial.




      Your stance on this and saying why didn't they use Andy's words in the trial versus GA , well I don't know if it was brought up or not but the trial was about GA defaming them as Madeleine's parents. Why the courts in Portugl didn't see fit to listen to Pedro do Carmo or Andy Redwood I cannot understand myself but maybe when this goes to the ECHR it will hold some sway in matters.

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    9. It is argued Goncalo Amaral has his right to Freedom of Expression , but only up to a point and he crossed that point in his accusations and his lies told in his book. The lies jump out from the very first page.




      A tragic set of circumstances but one which needs resolving and maybe there will be repercussions felt in Portugal for what I would class as dirty deeds by their ex DCI, the one they dismissed, the one found guilty of perjury over another missing child case.




      UK government will be aware of all of this.

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    10. '' DCI Redwood's statement that Madeleine may not have been alive ''

      ( why quote the man you slate everywhere you can?)

      ''also had the visual of Scotland Yard and Portuguese police digging up areas in the vicinity of 5A''

      What about the audio /visual of the 10th anniversary TV documentary declaring the McCanns as 'not suspects' ? Who was it who said that ?

      ''also had the visual of Scotland Yard and Portuguese police digging up areas in the vicinity of 5A''

      You decide when the parents are distressed or not distressed according to what argument you're trying to advance.It's unrealistic. Your bias speaks louder than anything .

      ''When people are innocent they help the police as much as they can''

      True.But, despite the refusal of the parents and friends to stage the reconstruction or answer questions, thus(according to you and others who refuse to look past the McCanns) scuppering the investigation.The evidence of them sticking it to the police and the investigation seems to be contradicted by all the funding and support.

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    11. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton14 September 2018 at 10:26

      Why would the UK officers go to Portugal to meet with their counterparts ? The more important question is why would they tell the public. The time taken so far and the cost would surely cause them to keep their moves quiet. They have no need or obligation to the public to keep them informed in the form of a live commentary.They are only obliged to later explain what they've been (allegedly) doing.If we read next week that they're on their way, we'll read nothing more after it as there won't be anything to read.That's been the dance for years.It's done, it appears, because the self- proclaimed commentators / experts who live online scanning every minute detail in the hope of finding something to inflate out of nothing will spread the good word on line and it will go viral and cause a month of excitement that will eventually morph into tales of mystery and imagination.The bloggers, youtubers and forumites are guilty of selling the illusion of OG whilst trying to critique it.It's superbly ironic.

      The parents were 'cleared' on the 10th anniversary programme before the cameras in Portugal. That doesn't mean the case should close and they shouldn't look elsewhere( officially).And, yes, I know you've mentioned the fact that we've seen people 'cleared' only to be arrested days later.That's rare. It only seems otherwise as it makes the front pages.It only makes those due to the shock factor.How many days have passed since May 2007 ? Evidence isn't going to rise like a genie from dust.I agree, the burglar scenario is probably silly.It's always been the most ridiculous scenario despite it's competition.A burglar didn't need a child and wouldn't leave empty handed . A burglar wouldn't receive such protection from two countries on the orders of MI5 either.But then I don't think two doctors would.Why should they ? I hear people say it would 'damage' our reputation abroad . That's as silly as the burglar scenario.Our reputation abroad was damaged decades ago by football nutcases then binge drinking coke snorters.OG and the secrecy of the PJ /SY investigation will damage the reputation far more. Football nutters and coke heads rarely kill or kidnap and are usually out of their minds anyway.Politicians , PMs and the intelligence community are supposed to be paragons of virtue.

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    12. Firstly 18:36, I have never slated DCI Redwood and Operation Grange, I have always discussed them with respect. I don't distort their names, I don't accuse them of being corrupt and part of a government conspiracy. I wince at those 'antis' who so casually accuse these police officers of holidaying in PDL at taxpayers' expense. How offensive!

      I do not accept that 30+ police officers would jeopardise their lives and careers to protect people who are obviously up to no good. I have faith in human nature and I have faith in those men and women who are working on this investigation. I wouldn't dream of slating them, you either don't read my words properly, or you are deliberately lying.

      Like it or not, many people found it distasteful that the McCanns were so hell bent on revenge against Goncalo Amaral, that they didn't show the slightest interest in the searches that were going on in PDL, searches for their child's body. Let that sink in.

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    13. 18:40
      ("They are only obliged to later explain what they've been (allegedly) doing.")

      24 May, 2011

      "Portuguese detectives, helped by officers from Leicestershire Police, carried out a massive investigation into her disappearance.

      But the official inquiry was formally shelved in July 2008 and since then no police force has been actively looking for the missing child.

      Scotland Yard's review of the case, which will be funded by the Home Office, was launched earlier this month after a request from Home Secretary Theresa May supported by Prime Minister David Cameron.

      It is being led by Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood of the Met's Homicide and Serious Crime Command.

      Sir Paul [Stephenson] said the final report would not be published."

      http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-no-limits-to-probe-180425

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    14. ''I do not accept that 30+ police officers would jeopardise their lives and careers to protect people who are obviously up to no good. I have faith in human nature ''

      Nobody knows or has said that 30 + officers jeopardised anything as part of a conspiracy.As usual, it's no more than comjecture.However, should it slip out that one or even all 30 had been told to look somewhere they knew was a waste of time and to 'lay off' the parents or anyone else, they can use the famous 3 word get-out clause ' just following orders' and they'll be golden.Theat argument means they have no need to answer anything further as they can't be fired for doing their job. It must be nice to have faith in human nature while, at the same time, accusing people of all maner of criminal activity( murder, lying, hiding a body, tax evasion, money laundering, conspiracy to conceal a crime - none of which you could take to court as its all merely suspicion). And among many of the lunatic discussions we've had to read about child killers, paedophiles and corrupt politicians and policemen presently and past.Is it a selective faith in human nature you have ?

      ''Like it or not, many people found it distasteful that the McCanns were so hell bent on revenge against Goncalo Amaral''

      That 'many people' doesn't matter.If they can't understand the sheer horror of not knowing the fate of your 3 year old child and how that's compounded by the detective failing to find her then publicly accusing you of hiding her body and receiving protection from your country's intel agencies ( such integrity ), they aren't qualified to voice their opinions and expect to be taken as well adjusted individuals. I won't expect that to sink in.

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      Good points well made. I agree. And Portugal knew a court case was about to see the front pages as their former DCI was on a lose - lose regarding that case. It was a combination of wanting to spare their own blushes, Amaral's blushes and angering the parents of the missing child he was throwing all kinds of guesses at that persuaded them to remove him from the case. Unfortunately, he chose to get revenge on the parents rather than those who wanted to avoid embarrassment caused by him.

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    16. ''Firstly 18:36, I have never slated DCI Redwood and Operation Grange, I have always discussed them with respect.''

      And your comments about him and 'revelation man' ?

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    17. 'Just following orders' is as despicable in the case of a missing child, as it was in its' original use 20:24. Your lack of faith in human nature is disturbing.

      Tis true this case has been a giant knock to my said faith 20:15, but it is not lost entirely. All around me, I see acts of kindness, random strangers helping random strangers. One of my all time favourite move lines is Vivien Leigh in 'Streetcar Named Desire', 'I have always depended on the kindness of strangers'. Of course the line was written by the troubled Tennessee Williams, and I have always empathised with his pain. And the kindness of strangers line has become leitmotif throughout my life. Strangely, it is kindness that brings a tear to my eye, but not in an unhappy way!

      Goodness me 20:24, where did you get that list of accusations from? I haven't accused anyone of anything, not my style and I also have too much knowledge of the law.

      Rant, rave and scream as much as you like, there is nothing unlawful about my blog, and I'm bemused by 'had to read' - no-one is forcing you to read my blog 20:24, you have freedom of choice, you do know that don't you?

      I suggest you go have a lie down with a mind improving book, you are sounding a tad unhinged.

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    18. I see the family are out in force 16:14;

      Firstly, I am not buying the idea that the Portuguese police, Goncalo Amaral especially, didn't respond with the urgency the McCanns wanted. The Portuguese police in fact launched the biggest 'lost child' search in their history, we saw it all on the news, remember? I too read GA's book, and he describes how he and his officers were working 24/7 and sleeping in the office. The McCanns lack of gratitude is jaw dropping.

      'The balloons made them smile', is directly from the McCanns replies to frequently asked questions. They weren't enjoying their new found celebrity, they had been sombre in the moments before and after, that 'incriminating' photo was taken. Ok. But for most people, bereavement leaves them shattered, unkempt, and constantly on the brink of tears. I remember after losing my beloved Dad, walking around Sainsburys like a zombie. The song 'why does the world go on turning' was being piped into the supermarket, and within moments, I was a sobbing mess. I was saved by the kindness of strangers, a kindly lady who supported and consoled me until I was able to pull myself together.

      I know 'missing' isn't bereavement, but in many ways it is so much worse. As your sister in law just said, 'the sheer horror of not knowing what happened to your child'. In those circumstances I cannot imagine how any parent could function, let alone appear in public. It simply doesn't happen. You may applaud the parents bravery, but as mentioned in the PJ files, it was the parents strange behaviour that alerted them.

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    19. Apologies, above was in reply to 14:13.

      I don't agree the McCanns answered all the police questions over the time they were in PDL. Gerry was interviewed twice. Kate, once, thereafter she replied 'no comment'. Kudos for trying, but there is no innocent answer to the mother of a missing child refusing to answer police questions. Who cares what the lawyer advises, the mother would put the child, not herself, first.

      Innocent people don't fear police questions, they welcome them, they know their answers will confirm their innocence. The McCanns have tried to portray the Portuguese as uncouth and barbarian, more concerned with getting back to their wine sodden long lunches rather than search. for a missing child. All nonsense of course, but a big enough lie to persuade the British public that the McCanns were at the mercy of a third world police force. The reality however, was the worst Kate could come up with was the failure of the PJ to offer herself and her husband hot beverages.

      Finally, give me one good reason why the PJ would want to frame the McCanns? Why would they so quickly abandon a vulnerable 3 year old? Why would they allow a child predator to remain at large? These police officers were local, their own families could be at risk. Anyway, why would they co to such much trouble? One good reason will do.

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    20. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton15 September 2018 at 12:19

      ''I suggest you go have a lie down with a mind improving book, you are sounding a tad unhinged.''

      That from the pied piper of online maniacs.If you were half as good at taking arguments apart with logical rebuttals as you are at spitting out your acid, you'd have a worthwhile blog. But your greatest talent is expressing spite and calling names and trying to insult.It's a textbook case. A saddening combination of arrested development and projection.And that's on a going day.

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    21. ''Finally, give me one good reason why the PJ would want to frame the McCanns? why would they co to such much trouble? One good reason will do.''

      If I may interject.Because they framed the parents doesn't mean they wanted to.Because the order to protect the real culprit/s and keep the ultimate destination of that unfortunate little girl secret, they had to.It's a shame.Had they been allowed to pursue the parents they'd have realised all they had was a set of theories that couldn't be proven and they may well have realised that investigating and discussing the parents endlessly was wasting valuable time.I believe that was the deciding factor in 2008 to shelve it.They were told to pretend to investigate it all but the funding of it was real money.Or maybe you prefer your far more realistic probability. That is, the McCanns have control of the media, the government, the met, and the fraudsters laundering their money as well as the forensic scientists.Yes, that will do.makes a lot of sense that.

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    22. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton15 September 2018 at 12:19

      ''Goodness me 20:24, where did you get that list of accusations from? I haven't accused anyone of anything, not my style and I also have too much knowledge of the law. ''

      No, readers, you aren't imagining.That really is a quote from Ros, who has been running this blog for years after being banned from another hate blog.Imagine being banned from a hate blog because even they thought you were over the top..That's tantamount to being expelled from the Gestapo for cruelty.

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    23. Hi anon 14 September 2018 at 12:13

      ”If the case closed today there'd be uproar on the internet. There'd be all kinds of amateur reporters taking over youtube and God knows how many daytime TV programmes starting again from 2007”

      Yes, I believe you’re quite right and that’s what the McCanns fear the most

      Hi anonymous14 September 2018 at 14:15

      ”The case files were put up on a shelf and that would have been the end of it had the McCanns not lobbied for help when home in UK, something a guilty person would not do.” 

      Bear in mind, that the McCanns were under suspicion according to the Portuguese judiciary, in fact arguidos, when they returned home and that their appeal to David Cameron later on about a review of the case came about after the PJ files had been released and when they realised that more and more people had read them and had started to question their innocence.

      They found their way out of that awkward situation by pleading for help in their search for Madeleine, which they managed to do in a very convincing manner, (at least some people thought so) when they turned to David Cameron demanding a transparent, independent and comprehensible review of the whole case. Naturally, they must have hoped that the SY would only pursue the abduction scenario. It was a smart but a risky move, but many sceptics were then lulled into believing that they really wanted the case to be reopened in Portugal and that they would co-operate, not only with the Met/SY, but also with the Portuguese PJ, but that was not at all what they had in mind. If they had so wished, they could easily have posted a letter to the Prosecutors’ office in Portugal, as Gonzalo Amaral has said so many times, but they didn’t.

      Scotland Yard's involvement and the subsequent opening of the case in Portugal have significantly facilitated the McCanns’ situation. It meant “HUGE”, as the McCanns said in their 10 year anniversary interview last year. Whatever pertinent question they’re being asked, they can avoid answering by referring to the ongoing investigation, its secrecy and their own faith in it. Just as you say /anon 14 Sept 15:13/ “If the case closed today there'd be uproar on the internet…” and this was also the real reason as to why they in the first place pleaded for a review, which was an attempt to make it look as if they had nothing to hide. As long as the case is in the hand of the SY, it’s easier for them to keep all those who question their abduction story at a distance. The investigation, regardless of what’s being done, has become a mound between the McCanns and many of their sceptics/antis, who still patiently are waiting for “good” news from the Operation Grange and hoping that the crime case is going to be solved by the Portuguese PJ, thanks to the assistance by the SY.

      The McCanns would most certainly end up in a very difficult situation if they “allowed” the case to be shelved in the UK today, as anon /14 Sept.12:13 suggests/. So /anon 14 Sept 14:15/, a guilty person in a crime case may well under certain circumstances “lobby” for help, in order to deflect attention away from his/her own involvement. As for the McCanns, have no doubts about their intelligence. They’re just as ruthless as they are smart.









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    24. No, 18:04, I wasn't expelled for cruelty. I was expelled because I objected to the stalking of witnesses who were named in the PJ files. I was quite vocal about it. I also thought they were a bunch of weirdos, lol, and quite enjoyed pointing it out.

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  16. On the McCanns being immensely grateful, of course they are, the most senior police service in UK are taking an interest in finding their daughter no matter how long it takes and we cannot know what the police have found because they don't tell us Ros. We knew they wouldn't from the beginning when they told us there would be no running commentary and neither should there be.

    Sorry if this is all a little disjointed but I did not realise the character restrictions. I will in future.

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    1. What character restrictions? This isn't twitter 14:44.

      Why? Why lie 14:44? It's all the trivial lies, most of which are unnecessary, that give the game away. No-one expect the parents to be 'immensely grateful' for no result after 7 years.

      And from the sound of it the parents know nothing 'because they don't tell us Ros'. Do you not think that is cruel? If we go by human nature, the parents should be frantic for a result. Why aren't they? Are they so afraid of the police, that they dare not criticise them? If so, they must be biting their tongues because they didn't hold back when the PJ were investigating.

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  17. Ros 14 Sept 12.15

    "But 'front' is something the McCanns have in abundance. Their press conferences at the time of the digs were all about the distress caused to them by Goncalo Amaral. Having flow out to Lisbon to give evidence, the case had been adjourned at the request of GA. They were unable to hide their anger and frustration at GA, who simply wouldn't hand over the large sum of cash they believed was their due, and who was deliberately inconveniencing them - the cad."

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    Not forgetting the fact that KM in her blind rage in front of the world's press spat venom that they had to get "a babysitter" - stupid bl**dy idiot (what a devoted Mother she is, not) - the look GM gave her at that moment was priceless!! Were they thinking of leaving the twins on their own again to enable them to fly to Portugal to leech money out of AG or did one of their family members tell them to "get a babysitter even if you have to pay for it yourself".

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    1. 16 June 2014

      "McCanns 'distressed' by libel delay"

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo88S2cMtNo

      0:36

      Kate McCann: "Every time we come here we have to make arrangements for our children to be looked after..."

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  18. @ Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton13 September 2018 at 15:33
    "I am probably considerably more harmful to the McCann case than poor Brenda was."

    Explain that statement.

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    1. Fat chance. JJ is anonymous in every walk of life.

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    2. 'Explain that statement!'

      Now, which alpha male are you? lol.

      I'm educated, articulate and rational. I appeal to a wide spectrum of readers who are interested in the Madeleine case. And, as is clear, my readers and contributors are also educated, articulate and rational. This is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a 'hate' blog. I have stepped over that barrier that made other forums war zones. Both 'pros' and 'antis' can comment here without fear of the fanatics stepping in.

      And speaking of fanatics, as much as the McCanns elevated Bennett as the face of the online 'haters', the reality was that thousands of normal, reasonable people didn't believe the McCanns either. And it is the normal reasonable members of the public that the McCanns fear the most.

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    3. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton15 September 2018 at 11:44

      ''I appeal to a wide spectrum of readers who are interested in the Madeleine case. And, as is clear, my readers and contributors are also educated, articulate and rational. ''

      You actually appeal to one section of those claiming to be interested in the Madeleine case.That section is only interested in the parents of Madeleine and what they think they are guilty of and what they think, talk about and plan.No other angle- the parents being innocent for instance- is welcome here.Anything demanding logic is pounced on like an intruder in the night.You either agree with the scandalous rumour -spreading that has no evidence, or you're called 'an insider' or you're from ' the inner circle'. Very 'educated.

      One or two of your like-minded contributors stepped over the line a long time ago in terms of decency or well articulated and reasoned argument.A lot of posted accusations are sick and you publish them without challenging their logic or asking for sources.You'd rather publish unsubstantiated garbage apparently as you value the potential damage that could be done to the reputations of the parents far more than having a well -run blog that values mature discussion. You don't have to be educated to hold a discussion.A few educated people here hide their intellectual prowess really well.Either that or they're actually as ignorant as they seem.

      '' Both 'pros' and 'antis' can comment here without fear of the fanatics stepping in. ''

      Read your most recent blog.In fact, read most of them.

      ''And it is the normal reasonable members of the public that the McCanns fear the most.''

      Have you got a source for this non- fanatical claim ? When did they express a fear ?We won't hold our breath.

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    4. You do not agree with me 18:48, yet here you are reading and posting, proving my appeal is not just to one section of the McCann audience.

      I'm pretty sure you would put a black line through most of my postbox 13:48, and probably most of my blog, I fear if my blog were 'well run' by you, it would become a ghost town with a handful of zombies wandering around aimlessly, like Stop the Myths and CMoMM in fact, lol.

      The McCanns may not have expressed a fear, but it was painfully obvious in many of their interviews. I also find their refusal to engage with their followers on social media, bizarre. Then there is ongoing need for a spokesman or a 'source'. Why do they keep their distance? I think the use of a 'webmaster' rather than replying directly to their fans is offensive. No-one is that busy, not even the President of the USA. And I also think it is rubbish that they don't read about themselves on social media. What are they, automatons?

      The McCanns have always had it within their power to stop the rumours and speculation - every news agency in the world was offering them a platform. They could, back in 2007, or any time since, answer all those questions that were outstanding. Had they been honest, they could have become permanent fixtures on the breakfast TV sofas.

      During that heady period when they were off the hook, after the PJ shelved their files and before the Review, they were free to talk about the holiday and the night of Madeleine's disappearance, without any of the restrictions of judicial secrecy. They were free to voice their opinion on the Portuguese investigation, and they did. But if they wouldn't trust their story to the PJ, who would they trust?

      Once they were relieved of their Arguido status, they were free to tell their side of the story and the world was waiting with bated breath. Their's was no 'Midnight Express' or 'Banged up Abroad'. They had for the previous 3 months been vacationing in the Algarve, seemingly without a care in their world.

      But of course, they have never had anything to say beyond the repetition of their original police statements. They have not embellished in any way, or remembered any small details that have since come to mind. I expect that's why the 10th anniversary wasn't the media storm they expected, they simply haven't got anything new to say. They can't or won't speak about Madeleine, and their sports and fundraising has gone into a rapid decline since the exposure of Jimmy Saville and Lance Armstrong. Who knew such wholesome interests as sports and charities could attract the criminally corrupt.

      Kudos to you for your bravado, and indeed your belief that the McCanns are fearless. If that is the case though, why don't they defend themselves? And I don't mean through the libel courts, but with their own voices? Again, all of this is within their own power.

      I know more than most, what it is like to be the target of hate on social media. They could easily have worn me down, chased me off the net (as if, lol), but I faced them head on. Now they fear me. As indeed do you, because you didn't sign off in your own name.

      The parents can restore their reputations any time they choose. Again, this is something they have always had within their power. Little things, like using the millions they raised to open a school, a hospital or an offer of scholarships in their daughter's name. They have had more help and assistance than any parent of a missing child, before or since, a show of gratitude would make a pleasant change.

      Their reputations are not in the hands of me or anyone else, as grown ups, why do they not understand that? They have had 11+ years to show the world what wonderful people they are. We are all still waiting.

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    5. ''The McCanns may not have expressed a fear, but it was painfully obvious in many of their interviews. I also find their refusal to engage with their followers on social media, bizarre.''

      So, they never actually expressed a fear, you decided to lie about them (again).The McCann case section of the internet is overflowing with lunatics making up lies, inventing rumours and boring normal people with as many poisonous accusations levelled a them.You find their choosing to avoid all of that 'bizarre'.What remarkable insight you have.

      '' I also think it is rubbish that they don't read about themselves on social media. What are they, automatons?''

      Why would they want to read the thousands of opinions voiced by people who've never met them or people trying to use them for their fifteen minutes of fame ?

      ''The McCanns have always had it within their power to stop the rumours and speculation ''

      How do you shut thousands of idiots up when they're all out of reach hiding online ?They want the McCanns to try and shut them up-that way they can restart the 'McCanns are panicking' fantasies.

      ''During that heady period when they were off the hook, after the PJ shelved their files and before the Review,''

      They weren't on a hook and today they still aren't.It's just a dream you can't wake from.

      ''But of course, they have never had anything to say beyond the repetition ... They have not embellished in any way..''

      That's how the real world works. They left their kids in the apartment and they each took turns to check in on them.Between checks one was abducted.They realised this on the final check.The police were informed.What else can they add ? They can't.Not even for you.

      '' They can't or won't speak about Madeleine, and their sports and fundraising has gone into a rapid decline since the exposure of Jimmy Saville and Lance Armstrong. Who knew such wholesome interests as sports and charities could attract the criminally corrupt.''

      Thir loss may well be a globally public event and ongoing news story.But it's all been said.It was- and is -a personal tragedy.If the vultures are starving for scraps they should fly elsewhere and annoy someone else.Can you possibly explain the link between Jimmy Savile's exposure and the McCann case ? It appears a cheap and desperate shot otherwise.

      ''Kudos to you for your bravado, and indeed your belief that the McCanns are fearless. ''

      And kudos to you attempting to put words in my mouth(as usual).I didn't suggest they're fearless, I asked you to supply evidence of them expressing their fear.

      '' why don't they defend themselves?''

      They're not being accused by any police force.They're only being attacked by strangers online and others hoping to gain attention through the McCann plight.Their silence suggests they're treating ignorance with ignorance.

      ''I know more than most, what it is like to be the target of hate on social media. ''

      Congratulations.You spread accusations and slanderous remarks about two people you don't know and which you can't back up.They lost a child.

      ''The parents can restore their reputations any time they choose.''

      They've already said they're innocent.And they haven't been charged.Those damaging their reputations refuse to believe them or the police

      ''They have had 11+ years to show the world what wonderful people they are. We are all still waiting.''

      While you're waiting, look up 'private' and 'dignified' in a dictionary.

      ''I fear if my blog were 'well run' by you, it would become a ghost town with a handful of zombies wandering around aimlessly''

      It is now. I just add balance.

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  19. "Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton14 September 2018 at 00:46

    Many thanks for your kind words 15:58, they are very much appreciated.

    I'm not sure I agree with my politics at times lol. I used to describe myself as a Marxist Feminist on my old AOL profile which for readers conjured up an image of a dungaree wearing, jackbooted lesbian swigging white cider! In fact one old foe, used to call me Waynetta!

    I'm actually very prim and proper, lol, more Hyacinth Bouquet than Susie Quatro. And I am delighted to say that I am treated with an enormous amount of respect by everyone I meet. I think of myself as an old school marm, with a bit of a twinkle in her eye, and I guess that's how strangers see me, as they take extra care with their pronunciation and drop the cussing, lol."
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    You are an online hate blogger - why deny it?

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    1. Yet you read it?
      Irony is not a strong suit then.

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      :D

      T

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    3. I feel this one is directly from the family, lol.

      I'm not entirely sure what 'hate blogger' is 21:06, perhaps you would care to explain? Your criteria for judging hatred is fatally flawed 21:06, I expect you spend a lot of time confused.

      I don't believe Gerry and Kate because I 'hate' them. True their personalities wouldn't appeal to me, but that's not the same thing. Hate is such a strong emotion 21:06, and I am not emotionally involved in this case. I have observed this case from an academic and psychological perspective, I am detached from the emotional aspects.

      I would like to see justice for those hurt by the McCanns' actions, but after all these years, I'm more philosophical, what will be, will be. Karma I think has taken over, those guilty of lying, scheming and plotting revenge, can only wait nervously as it creeps up on them.

      To be honest, I take no pleasure in their discomfort. I'm not a gotcha kind of person. But you reap what you sow, and if you have sown a lot of lies, it is inevitable that they will catch up with you, one day.

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    4. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton14 September 2018 at 00:46

      ''I'm actually very prim and proper, lol, more Hyacinth Bouquet than Susie Quatro. And I am delighted to say that I am treated with an enormous amount of respect by everyone I meet''

      It's Bucket, not Bouquet. She's mad as well . Good comparison.

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    5. @ Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton15 September 2018 at 11:23
      "I am not emotionally involved in this case."

      I have seen your posts on here and on other places - would you like to correct that statement?

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  20. You Are nuts. The lot of you. Eleven years on and you still make up stories for your own gratification.Get a life.

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    1. 'get a life'

      I hope you don't mind me jotting that down in my notepad in the long list of cutting comebacks ( should I ever need them). it's originality and potency are a lethal combination. For the record< I contribute often here and have yet to make up a single story, or claim to know what happened in 2007.I just discuss it.All angles and all rumours, opinions and guesses.It gratifies me.I can't help it. I'm amazing.

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    2. Agreed.

      Or as T would say

      "correct" (without some foreign language which apparently is much admired by Ros)

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    3. Concur


      COBnaAaTb

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    4. @21:17

      The story was made up on the 3/05/2007,catch up please.

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    5. Anonymous 14 September 2018 at 22:07

      “I'm amazing.”

      :)

      I concur, agree etc. absolutely: you are. And so am I. Two peeing on a pod are better than one. Shall we?

      T

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    6. LOL 22:07. Attacks such as these usually come from people who actually don't have any 'interests'. Either outside or otherwise. Jetsetters and globetrotters don't usually have the time to scold people on blogs, lol.

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    7. Anonymous15 September 2018 at 10:50

      ''I concur, agree etc. absolutely: you are. And so am I. Two peeing on a pod are better than one. Shall we?
      T''

      Fine plan, comrade.You bring the pod, I'll take the pee - as is my way.Let's hope the wind isn't high. Let's do this thing, Mr Raffles.Bring sammiches.

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    8. "Jetsetters and globetrotters don't usually have the time to scold people on blogs, lol."

      Where did you last jet off to? What was the last globetrotting that you did?

      There is zero evidence in your blogs for years - always in the past Ros.

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  21. Ros says:
    "I don't see how the McCanns can possibly be immensely grateful to Operation Grange. For what?"

    The answer is quite simple to most people - because they are investigating the disappearance of a missing child.

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    1. Hi dear Unknown 14 Sept 2018 at 22:20

      You think that the McCanns are so grateful because the Operation Grange are investigating what happened to Madeleine. I don't.I believe that the McCanns are grateful for not yet being prosecuted and extradited to Portugal. Who wouldn't in their situation.

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    2. @ Björn15 September 2018 at 22:17

      I believe I have said it before but I will repeat it - I have no interest in any word that you say.

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  22. And eleven years on you still come looking for those stories ,
    we do know one thing eleven years on , the Mc scum have got one hell of a bill to pay there nemeses

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      yet more evidence of this being a hate blog for nutters

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  23. Hi Rosalinda,
    Maybe you have covered this before - but I think it is entirely possible that Team McCann were and are being informed step by step by insider British police giving them every move the force makes.
    Why, is a mystery but it has helped to smoke screen the criminal acts of the parents and to reinforce fake alibis from their drinking buddies in the Portuguese bar.

    Who would have believed The McCanns were devious enough to run a phony parallel investigation alongside the British police in an attempt to derail what was being investigated in Portugal by Portuguese police. But they did it.

    Luckily the couple didn't have to worry too much about what was being investigated by lack-luster police in England because astoundingly these two criminals had the full support of the British police force as being NON-suspects.

    The reputation this couple have (if any) they treasure more than life itself and they will do anything to protect it.
    Any morsel they can investigate for libel, or slander they will try and punish by legal action.

    The trolls on this site that report back to Team McCann know full well how the game is played.

    But, regardless of the McCann's Machiavellian personalities the daring duo haven't managed to fool us all. (Who donates to the "Fund" anymore)

    As the little boy in the crowd pointed out: The Emperor and Empress have no clothes.
    jc

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    1. Hi JC, I'm not sure they had the support of the entire police JC, different police agencies had different opinions, Jim Gamble mentioned it while promoting the Summers and Swan book and the idea of jailing internet trolls.

      You are right that this couple put their reputations above all else, yet they cannot grasp why Goncalo Amaral wants to protect his.

      I have mentioned before (many times) that I watch real crime documentaries, far too many I am sure. I am drawn to the human behaviour and the cat and mouse games between the police and those they have in their sights. I find the police interviews especially enlightening. Very few stand up to the pressure of interrogation, once they grasp that their lies are not being believed they ask for a lawyer. Thereafter the police have to prove the case against them beyond reasonable doubt.

      Not an easy task, suspects walk away for months, years and even decades. The difference with the Madeleine case, is that is has not been left to grow cold. As of 2011, it has been a live investigation and no-one appears to be in any hurry to put it back on the shelves. That must be daunting for those 'still on the hook', they don't know how long their freedom will last.

      I don't happen to believe the McCanns have trolls working for them anymore JC, and by trolls I mean devoted followers willing to debase themselves online with their horrible personalities. I think only the family remain, plus the occasional spin doctor and authoritarian!

      As to your final line, it was pointing out of the Emperor and Empress's lack of clothes that brought us so much grief. The world totally went mad for while!

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    2. Jc, you never fail.You use hundreds of words and manage to never say anything.

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    3. '' it is entirely possible that Team McCann were and are being informed step by step by insider British police giving them every move the force makes..Why, is a mystery...''

      Why isn't a mystery.It only happened in yet another of your weird fantasies.

      ''The trolls on this site that report back to Team McCann know full well how the game is played.''

      A troll isn't a troll merely because they hold different views to you.Nor is he or she a troll for objecting to accusations and insinuations that never come with any support in the way of evidence. Perhaps you could supply some sources for once.Who are these 'trolls', why are they( in your mind) trolls, and when and how do they 'report back to the Mccanns'. Or are you an Amaral troll...

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    4. 'A troll isn't a troll merely because they hold different views to you!'. Truly a classic. And something you should bear in mind when calling myself and those who post on here, trolls.

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    5. Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton15 September 2018 at 21:02

      'A troll isn't a troll merely because they hold different views to you!'. Truly a classic. And something you should bear in mind when calling myself and those who post on here, trolls.''

      Is that the best you can do in way of an argument ? I never accuse anyone of being a troll.I accuse them of being liars, fantasists and being incapable of supporting their bile with anything of substance.You should stick to name calling. When a troll jumps to the defence of an idiot it doesn't read well at all.

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    6. You claim you don't accuse anyone of being a troll, then finish by calling me a troll! Are you a tad confused? As for my sticking to name calling, again, something I don't do, but you do in abundance. Your post is 100% projection of your own unpleasantness lol.

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  24. 14th Sept 23:14
    So this van arrives from Scotland (Scotland again) on the 28th May and the hire car is rented on the 28th May too.
    Yet another coincidence of many in this case.
    Maybe those who say look to Scotland are correct.Maybe should be digging there too!

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    1. Van?
      White one,speeding,with tattooed driver reading the Scum while texting at the same time?
      I wonder what McSoredust makes of it.

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    2. Anon 15 Sept 11.33

      Are you being deliberately obtuse because the mention of the white van struck too near home?

      You know full well about the A-frame white van that appeared on the beach at PDL with huge posters stuck on either side of it advertising Madeleine's face and "blemish" in her eye. The van that disappeared after about a day never to be seen again. Yes that one, that you're pretending didn't exist.

      It seems people have to dismiss and ridicule others when they point out factual things in the disappearance of Madeleine (that they think have been forgotten about) because the truth hurts perhaps?

      Funnily enough all mention of it and photos have been deleted from the internet, now why would that be?

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    3. 5 grand each for 13 days of shared driving seems a bit steep,especially in 2007.(dont know how many drivers,reports just say various).
      Perhaps there was a confidentiality clause in the contract that put the price up?
      And maybe a maximum sentence of two years plus unlimited fine might have had something to do with it too,who knows?

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    4. "Beachgoers look at a giant billboard depicting missing child Madeleine McCann, on the beach near the Portuguese resort of Lagos May 28, 2007. REUTERS/Hugo Correia"

      https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-portugal-paedophile/paedophile-case-prompts-outrage-in-portugal-idUKL2933466720070530

      PR campaign in full swing.

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    5. Anon 15 Sept 15.45
      and my post of 15 Sept 15.12

      I've found the following website that shows the advertising board/van, it's under the search of "inflatable billboard" -

      http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/07/the-inflatable-billboard-the-true-story/

      It's quite an interesting read.

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    6. Anon 15.45
      I think you would get more than sitting in a cosy cell with mutiple tv channels if your tongue got a little loose after a few beers down the local.
      The number 39 bus would suddenly have a front tyre blow out and veer on to the pavement just as you were coming out the pub door.

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    7. There is also another good read called Faked Abduction which also links in the strange death 3 years later of an ex soldier Colin Sahike who also went to PDL at the same time as the van.There is a suggestion he was also on a linked covert mission to the van.Scottish Freemasons are also connected apparently.
      Give it a read and see what you think.

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  25. FOI requests are supposed to be factual truthful answers to questions so at the end of Dec 2015 when the Met police stated OG was currently an investigative review not an investigation why not believe them.

    To my knowledge they have never said they misspoke.
    Sloppy work by the Met one way or the other then again confusion is good

    FOI 2015120000612

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    1. JJ 15 September 2018 at 08:17

      “…at the end of Dec 2015 when the Met police stated OG was currently an investigative review not an investigation why not believe them.”

      Anonymous 14 September 2018 at 18:12
      http://cristobell.blogspot.com/2018/09/a-barrel-of-red-herrings-more-funding.html?showComment=1536945146526#c8353607594764714127

      T

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  26. Anonymous 14 September at 14:15 said:

    “The case files were put up on a shelf and that would have been the end of it had the McCanns not lobbied for help when home in UK, something a guilty person would not do."

    Something a guilty person could do, if that person:

    - knows s/he has done something wrong, but s/he may not be guilty of the crime s/he is being accused of;

    - needs to take away the suspicion when believed by the general public to have done something wrong. (Gerry McCann: “I’ve got grave concerns about our children as they grow up and start to access the internet in an unsupervised capacity.”)

    e.g.

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  27. Anon 15 Sept 11.16

    With the original investigation concerning the PJ they put the case on hold because Madeleine's parents would not co-operate with them, they didn't seem to have any qualms about stopping it then. As Goncalo Amaral said in many interviews that it only took a stamp on an envelope for them to write to the PJ for it to be re-opened but they never did that. Why do you think that was?

    It seems strange that they did not want to co-operate with the PJ regarding the disappearance of their daughter yet had grave concerns about their twins accessing the internet.

    Surely their focus should be on Madeleine, not what the twins find on the internet. If the parents think they are truly innocent why would they be worried on what the twins find on the internet, or are they worried they may start putting two and two together and make it .......?

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    1. 18:48

      "Surely their focus should be on Madeleine, not what the twins find on the internet."

      If the McCanns believe their daughter is still alive, they might assume that Madeleine could access the internet which increases the chances of being found.

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      11 June, 2007

      Gerry McCann: "'All Moroccan Children Are With You Madeleine- Madeleine: Back Home'. They were singing and cheering Madeleine's name and shouting 'coeur', Heart. This whole experience was uplifting and enlightening at the same time in that we had no concept that so many children in Morocco would know of Madeleine and also be internet- friendly. It is just as likely that a child will spot Madeleine and alert a responsible adult. The whole world really has changed and is a lot smaller in this computer age. If Madeleine is in Morocco we have no doubt that she will be found."

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    2. Anonymous15 September 2018 at 18:48

      ''With the original investigation concerning the PJ they put the case on hold because Madeleine's parents would not co-operate with them,''

      Do you have a source for the PJ declaring that they shelved the case because their supposed 'suspects' wouldn't co-operate with them ? Good idea for any future suspects looking in. The PJ said there wasn't enough evidence to pursue the investigation at that time and that it would be throwing good money after bad.

      ''It seems strange that they did not want to co-operate with the PJ regarding the disappearance of their daughter yet had grave concerns about their twins accessing the internet.''

      How do you tie these two things together ? One concerns a grave crime that resulted in their little girl being taken.One concerns the concerns of the parents for the absolute stupidity and collective vindictiveness of vigilantes with too much time on their hands online. Are we to take it that the PJ re-opened the case as the parents agreed to co-operate then ? Or are you making things up ?

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    3. Anon 15 Sept 22.31

      Madeleine is now owned by the Courts, remember the Ward of Court status taken out, but the McCanns spun it that they did it to gain access to the police files, the same way they spun the visit by Social Services when they went home to Rothley, apparently it was the McCanns who "invited" them to visit.

      The Ward of Court is taken out so that the Courts can decide who best the child should live with after having been abandoned by her parents to fend for herself and her twin siblings in a dark, unlocked apartment.

      There is no telling whether Madeleine would be returned to her parents even if she is found, and judging by one of the questions her Mother refused to answer in the PJ questioning I doubt very much that she would.

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    4. Anon 16 Sept 00.25

      How many police reconstruction investigation programmes have you watched on TV when the person being interviewed says "no comment". It's not a new phenomenon. Didn't KM say "no comment" to every question she was asked by the PJ except the one that she understood was hindering the search for her daughter.

      As someone mentioned a month or so ago that she herself would have answered every question and more, even think of one's the police had not asked, if her daughter had gone missing, so why was it so important for KM not answer questions and hinder the search for Madeleine.

      As you also know the Tapas friends all refused to go back to PDL to do a reconstruction of the night Madeleine disappeared.

      I wonder how the twins would react if they knew their Mother wouldn't answer questions to find Madeleine nor that any of their friends would do a reconstruction.

      Perhaps that's why GM did't want them accessing the internet.

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    5. Anonymous16 September 2018 at 16:33

      ''Madeleine is now owned by the Courts,''

      She isn't / wasn't 'owned' by anyone.That aside, It can be argued ( by those more rational than regulars here) that the move was clever.It enabled them to access information regarding all the red herrings-or sightings as the police called them for the media-of their missing child.It could also be argued that it was a show of no faith in the joint investigation.I realise that mentioning ward of court or social services is designed to get those of an excitable nature and short attention span to add 2 and 2 together and get 9 ( they've been pounced on by the social services after their negligence !! etc). But give it some thought.The parents aren't stupid.

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    6. Anonymous 16 September 2018 at 20:19

      “It enabled them to access information regarding all the red herrings-or sightings as the police called them for the media-of their missing child.”

      Indeed. Less than a hundred of useless pieces of info out of the potentially useful thousands they were after but didn’t get, I would add.

      T

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    7. Fine point, comrade.But they weren't to know that prior to asking. That particular force isn't new to 'disappearing' files or info that could damage important people( see Lord Janner)>The post and it's insinuation was intended to reflect badly on the parents.Thanks to the supreme sleuthing of Team Z & T , we exposed the bigger picture.

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  28. Do:you have any idea how absurd you all sound?


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    1. 22:19

      Oh okay.

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    2. Lord Sutch and Sutch16 September 2018 at 14:04

      You're all raving loonies here!
      Insane the lot of you!

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    3. A 22:19
      You,you,you, Troll

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  29. There seems to be a sudden increase in activity from posters who say we are all mad,fantasists and nutters etc.
    Ziggy is more active (although now as anon),Unknown is back and now we have 'A' too.
    Is someone close to the truth here?
    The van perhaps? The diplomatic bag? Or even both?

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    1. Anonymous16 September 2018 at 10:15

      ''There seems to be a sudden increase in activity from posters who say we are all mad,fantasists and nutters etc.''

      By 'we' I take it this blog is considered to be a gathering place for those of one mind.Contrary to what Ros says(naturally about ''all things Madeleine''. I point to fantasists and nutters often.You misunderstand this phenomenon as an increase in critics.I call anyone a fantasist if they create a scenario based on nothing but their imagination;their little attempt at Freudian wish fulfilment.

      ''Is someone close to the truth here?The van perhaps? The diplomatic bag? Or even both?''

      No.No.And no.Nobody is close to a real truth.It's year 12 soon. It's like the 11 that have already passed and as many more as you would like to add.

      (A mysterious poster with a handler(etc) )

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    2. Lord Sutch and Sutch16 September 2018 at 20:30

      No

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    3. Are you for real? What a load of fantasists.
      (Were not where).

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    4. @ Ziggy 20:14

      Handler?
      Someone unknown from Scotland?

      No seriously Ziggy,you need to lighten up a bit and not let others here wind you up.
      Anyway,what are your views (if any) about the inflatable billboard van and Colin Sahlke?
      And while we are at it,Scottish Freemasons too?
      Any connections? Or all above board?

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    5. anon 16 Sept 20:14.
      If you think the case will never be solved,why do you put so much effort in,clogging up the blog, trying to convince us that we are all wrong then?

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    6. Actually 20:14, our discussions are not based on fantasy or Freudian wish fulfilment,(good effort there, lol.

      Our discussions are based on the actual police files, the book of Goncalo Amaral, and the very bizarre behaviour of the parents and their friends for 11+ years.

      Nothing is pulled out of thin air, or the dark recesses of our 'disturbed' minds (you can have that one). The abduction story makes no sense. It is not logical, nor reasonable. Now there are those who accept what they are told without question, yourself among them, but this is a gathering of free thinkers. People with the confidence to follow their own instincts and logic. I can see why that upsets you, but there is nothing illegal about it. You of course have the same freedoms. You can rebut what we say, or win the debate with your superior knowledge, entirely up to you.

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    7. Anonymous17 September 2018 at 09:13

      I can't lighten up.I'm too beautiful..

      I don't know enough about inflatable billboards to comment to be honest so I won't, unless you'd like me to read up on it.

      I know a fair bit about Freemasons, Scottish Rite Freemasons and so on. Pre-dating Albert Pike and any da vinci code nonsesne. I believe there's some sinister connections between all of that and Dunblane. I also question Gordon Brown's connection to that and George Robertson.But that's another area....

      Why do labour have a fixation with the old 'sweaties' ? John Smith, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair.I have nothing against the Jocks-well apart from my ex missus like, Rab Nesbitt- but it's a bit annoying that we only have them in the big chair for Labour when they're in charge or close to being in charge. It's almost as bad as the Torie crew's fixation with running us into the ground in the name of all things Israel / Zion. Again...another area...I'll get back to you.

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    8. ''Our discussions are based on the actual police files, the book of Goncalo Amaral, and the very bizarre behaviour of the parents and their friends for 11+ years.''

      The police files have brought nothing about in over 11 years. Nothing in Amaral's book could be translated into a case for the prosecution. The interpretation of observed behaviour is subjective.That's the cold facts there. Madeleine was in the apartment, she was left alone( apart from the twins) then she was gone.That makes an abduction realistic and more probable than subjective interpretations informed by a heavy bias.Consider that a rebuttal..

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    9. I would consider it a rebuttal if it were, lol. That is merely your opinion.

      You sound like Trump at the moment, even as Mueller et al are closing in on him, he says daily there is no evidence of collusion.

      There is of course masses of evidence (that there was no abduction)in the Madeleine case. And that evidence is online and freely available. You can stick your fingers in your ears and shut your eyes, but it is all out there.

      No-one has dismissed the original investigation and its' findings. They are as relevant now as they ever were, neither the PJ or OG had the need to retrace the steps taken by GA and his team.

      It is only McCann superfans such as yourself who say all the evidence collected in the early days has been discarded. The alerts by the dogs will always loom over whatever leads they follow. No detective would dismiss them on the grounds put forward by the McCanns and their supporters.

      Now that, 14:3, is a rebuttal.

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    10. Lol. Reminds me of that scene in Crocodile Dundee when he says "that's a knife".

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    11. ''There is of course masses of evidence (that there was no abduction)in the Madeleine case ''

      Thee is of course masses of time gone by and masses of officers looking at this case. Why are they ignoring it would you say ?

      ''It is only McCann superfans such as yourself who say all the evidence collected in the early days has been discarded''

      Discarded or not discarded, you've said that fr years.Look ahead-here comes year 12.It's discarded.Live with it.

      ''You sound like Trump...Now that, 14:3, is a rebuttal.''

      Oh i say ; touche.

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  30. Anon 15 Sept 23.09

    Someone not liking the way the discussions are going, but can't add anything themselves.

    Why would someone who does not know the McCanns or how Madeleine disappeared tell us how absurd we all sound? Why would it bother them so much, that is the question.

    Where they there when Madeleine was abducted, perhaps they should tell us!

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    1. ''Why would someone who does not know the McCanns or how Madeleine disappeared tell us how absurd we all sound? Why would it bother them so much, that is the question.''

      Possibly because they think so many more who also don't know them claim to know their every move and every motive to every crime they imagine they have committed as well as the inner workings of their mind.

      ''Where they there when Madeleine was abducted, perhaps they should tell us!''

      They were all out abducting Madeleine.Probably contracted by the parents or everyone in Scotland. You'd know that if you paid more attention here.

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    2. Telling us all how absurd we are is a common ploy on forums, it happened often in the old days on AOL, a poster will appear to say something profound, like 'you're all mad', usually someone lurking in the background, getting excited because they believe they are about to say something that everyone reading will agree with.

      Of course, if they had the intellect and wit, they could they could expand on their few dramatic words, but they can't. 'You are mad' or 'you are absurd' is all they've got.

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  31. Ros let's try again:

    "I am probably considerably more harmful to the McCann case than poor Brenda was."

    What makes you think that?

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    1. I have already answered you Unknown.

      I'm not hiding behind a screenname and I am not limiting my views to 40 character tweets. And the public don't see me as a villain, as proved by the Sun article. The only hate mail I received was from well known 'antis' online.

      In a nutshell, I am not a crank like Bennett. I don't claim to have solved this case and I don't make allegations and I pride myself on the fact that I can say whatever I like without committing libel.

      I wasn't mentioned by Gamble, Brunt, Summers and Swan, Sky News or any of the tabloids when it was decided to purge the net of McCann critics. Why? Because I haven't committed any crime and my blog is rational and reasonable. It doesn't by any stretch of the imagination bear any resemblance to the forums that are devouring themselves with hatred. It's a bit like the hare and the tortoise. The hares have burnt themselves out, and I'm still here, slowing plodding along.

      Now do you get it?

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    2. @ Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton17 September 2018 at 12:32

      blah blah blah "Now do you get it?"


      What has anything you said got to do with my question?

      Maybe you will explain exactly what it is that you are doing that is harmful to the Mccann case?

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  32. Grange funding is close,they don't want it to continue and not find the alleged abductor.

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  33. Anonymous at 12:01 said:
    "Why would they want to read the thousands of opinions voiced by people who've never met them or people trying to use them for their fifteen minutes of fame ?"

    Kate McCann: "We are aware of things that get said because people alert us to them."

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    1. Anonymous at 12:01 said:

      "Why would they want to read the thousands of opinions voiced by people who've never met them or people trying to use them for their fifteen minutes of fame ?"

      Kate McCann: "We are aware of things that get said because people alert us to them."

      Is that them being on social networks reading thousands of opinions from idiots, or is it them not being on them but being alerted to them by people who are ?

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    2. 14:38

      How can you be aware of things that get said if you don't read the things that people alert you to?

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    3. You use your ears as they tell you.

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    4. 12:00

      The McCanns believe everything they're told without checking?

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    5. It would depend on who talks to them wouldn't it ? This isn't rocket scince.Would they trust friends ? I'd have thought so, or they wouldn't be friends would they ?Why would they disbelieve family ? Media monitors ? They'd report back to them as they're salaried to. Would any of those mentioned have a reason to tell them lies when somebody elsewhere could point that lie out as they too have the internet ?You're stretching too far.Sit down.

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  34. You idiots do not bother me.
    Where were you when Madeleine was abducted?

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    1. In never never land with the abductor.

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  35. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6173813/Gerry-McCann-open-mental-health-struggles-Radio-4-interview.html

    He [Gerry McCann] said: 'I decided it was a good opportunity to say something about the special bond between fathers and daughters, thinking that speaking openly might help other men in similar positions. It feels like the right time.'

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    Gerry McCann: "I can tell you that we have also looked at evidence about cadaver dogs and they are incredibly unreliable."

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  36. https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2018/radio-4-presents-pearl-two-fathers-two-daughters-with-gerry-mccann

    'A programme weaving together two voices of grief - one from 600 years ago and one of the present day, in Gerry McCann - comes to Radio 4 this September, in a reflection on loss and consolation.'

    ...

    'Gerry McCann says: “As a family we'd worked with Simon Armitage before and know what a sensitive, thoughtful writer he is. When I read the Pearl poem, I could see echoes in it with Madeleine's situation and our loss.'

    "Madeleine's situation and our loss" ?

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  37. 27 Jan 2010

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/7081337/Madeleine-McCann-Simon-Armitages-poem-to-mark-1000-days-since-disappearance.html

    "Mr Armitage reportedly said he accepted the commission, which came via Emma Loach, a director who worked with the McCanns on a television documentary."

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    http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Emma_Loach_12_09_2013.htm

    "Emma Loach says they worried a lot for the present day and also for the future. The twins were about to go to school and they could hear rumours. It was important that they understand that everything was done to find their sister (note: this is one of the main worries of Psychologist David Trickey, witness 4)"

    ...

    "Emma Loach says the twins aren't allowed to surf on the Internet; there are no discussions about the book in front of them, though Madeleine issue is discussed a lot."

    ...


    "MC [judge Maria Emília de Melo e Castro] – Are the McCanns ashamed of what is said in the book?

    EL [Emma Loach] answers yes.

    MC – Why ?

    EL says the public believes they had covered up and then asked for money to search for Madeleine.

    MC – The fact they are innocent didn't suppress this feeling?

    EL says the fact they are innocent necessitates they must find Madeleine. They were more ashamed to be arguidos than because of what the book says.

    MC – In which way is it different?

    EL doesn't answer, she is obviously upset. The judge says she may leave. Previous witness Mrs Susan Hubbard gets up immediately and follows EL out of the court room."

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  38. Seriously.

    Is MaiOnline taking the piss?

    Three clues:

    The tongue that speaks from the heart.
    We see no evil…
    “But somewhere out there there has to be” “The Bacon”.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6173813/Gerry-McCann-open-mental-health-struggles-Radio-4-interview.html

    T:)

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    1. I've just had a read of it T, and I suspect they might be! Why a picture of Gerry with this tongue poking out? The article is written of course by McCann superfan Tracy Kandhola - I guess she doesn't get to choose the accompanying pictures. Her reference to 'The Bacon' sounds about right.

      But dear oh dear, what can Gerry talk about that is so emotional? The hundreds of hours he spent scouring the wastelands of PDL searching for his daughter? How he didn't sleep, didn't eat, wouldn't rest from the physical search? Or how he took to his laptop asking others to search, not in the vicinity of where his daughter vanished, but globally.

      He has hidden his pain very, very well up until now, that is, the emotion we have seen from him is anger, and we've seen that quite a lot. Will he vent his frustrations at the PJ? Will he vent his frustrations at Operation Grange? A seven year investigation that has provided no results, would be frustrating for anyone.

      …..this has become a new blog :)

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    2. A disappointing development, comrade....

      I read it myself earlier. As many might have guessed on this blog, I don't endorse the prevailing super theory of 'the parents did it'. I'll leave that to the cluedo groupies and murder group. But I don't see this latest development as a positive for the parents.I believe the mental health aspect of it.I always suspected there would be some issues for both parents, it's only normal.But why Simon Armitage, the poor man's poet laureate ? It looks like poet= sensitive.Reporter = propaganda. The media unit have been aware that it's time to go cap-in-hand to the penny - throwers and the annual 'let's make it look like we're conducting a real investigation by asking for money to explore more things we've made up'.But, the online thousands have run out of crimes to accuse the McCanns of now-there's nothing new and definitely nothing sensible.So they have tended to concentrate on the money being thrown at it.They don't concentrate so much on those signing the cheques and performing the illusions and distractions, they prefer to stay scared of doing that, the McCanns are members of the public and already fragile.Easy targets for the spineless.Keep the focus there.The think tank have come up with a very strange choice of 'interviewer' - a poet who feels pain for a living.Disarm the army of enemies from the get go.Subtle as a midwife's fist..

      Much has been said about the various strands of the media operation. We can thank Clarence for that( and his superiors who told him to jump fast). This pre- Grange top-up media move looks too contrived. Clarence and Brunt conspicuous by their absence.I bet it has Mitchell's finger prints all over it. I'm cynical, I admit.But i have a good sense of smell too.Nice to know the Murdoch /Freud machine were in the loop sharpish.

      PS comrade..I'm not ordinarily a Nazi regarding all things English.But, in future, could you take care when spelling Daily Mail or Mail Online. I just spent 10 minutes browsing oriental ladies called Mai to see who was taking the piss and how.:/

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  39. They say a troll is subjective thing,but as sure as eggs are eggs,Ziggy is a troll's troll.

    'A' by comparison is an absolute beginner.
    Perhaps the Zigmeister could give him a few tips and we could have two blogger cloggers then.


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    1. or you could post something useful 11:52

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      Anonymous17 September 2018 at 11:52
      ''They say a troll is subjective thing,but as sure as eggs are eggs,Ziggy is a troll's troll.''

      Who are 'they' and what's subjective about it ? The only thing you got right there was your theory regarding eggs. Blogger clogger ? Very good play on whatever.Blogger cloggers and trolls have a habit of trying to promote lies or derail discussions by interrupting with nonsense that has nothing to do with anything.Up your game, old fruit.There's a good egg.

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  40. Talking about us all being mad and all that,what about Lord So and So?
    Where did he come from?

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    I suspect Lord Such and Such is the brainchild of 'T'.
    He was probably behind that reverend good god character a while back as well.
    All that brother ziggy nonsense gave the game away for me.It probably did for everyone else too.

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      Your posts amuse me I have to confess.But they also make me feel slightly sorry for you. Is this really all you do online ? Read the words of complete strangers you neither know or have met and guess who they are by other things you've read ? How satisfying is that to you and are you aware that the normal folk who look in feel sorry for you ?Maybe you could download Solitaire to your device..

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      “…they also make me feel slightly sorry for you.”

      Your compassion is not of this world, Milord.

      You look very lovely in these pellucid dungarees if I may say so, Milord.

      Pork chops and Guinness for breakfast today, Milord?

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    3. No my handler plays that.I've got more important things to do as you know Ziggy.
      We dont want to get caught wasting 'company'time now do we.
      It's alright for our superiors,do as I say and not as I do and all that, but not us mere underlings.
      We just follow orders.
      Anyway,have a nice productive day and I will see you at our usual place under the railway arch at midnight next full moon for the latest briefing.

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    4. That's where you and I differ me ol' china. Orders follow me ;-)

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    5. '' We dont want to get caught wasting 'company'time now do we.
      It's alright for our superiors,do as I say and not as I do and all that, but not us mere underlings.
      We just follow orders''

      Got it now. You're Andy 'who dares wins' McNab.

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    6. No.
      He's (allegedly) a bullshitter and I'm not, lol.

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  42. @ Anonymous18 September 2018 at 04:44

    Bottled Guinness, not draft, thank you.And I think pork medallions would be in order- don't you ? Hold my calls..

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  43. Incidently,if anyone has anything of interest to this case and wants to pass it on,I will be with my comrade outside the Liverpool Town Hall every Thursday at 11.00am.
    We are there for precisely 1 hour every week.
    I will be carrying a copy of the Times and Ziggy will be wearing a pink floppy hat and matching trousers.
    You can have full confidence in us and any info, especially regarding that subversive Ros Hutton will be most appreciated.
    Any thing at all is welcome, but no Glasgow kisses please when you first greet us.
    Over and out.
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