Once again, my comments box is overflowing so time for a new blog! Thank you to T and others for bringing latest news to my attention. In response to T's are the Mailonline taking the piss.....
I've just had a read of it T, and I suspect they might be! Why a picture of Gerry with this tongue poking out? The article is written of course by McCann superfan Tracy Kandhola - I guess she doesn't get to choose the accompanying pictures. Her reference to 'The Bacon' sounds about right.
But dear oh dear, what can Gerry talk about that is so emotional? The hundreds of hours he spent scouring the wastelands of PDL searching for his daughter? How he didn't sleep, didn't eat, wouldn't rest from the physical search? Or how he took to his laptop asking others to search, not in the vicinity of where his daughter vanished, but globally.
He has hidden his pain very, very well up until now, that is, the only emotion we have seen from him is anger, and we've seen that quite a lot. No memory of Madeleine or even the age enhanced pictures provoked a tear. Will he vent his frustrations at the PJ? Will he vent his frustrations at Operation Grange? A seven year investigation that has provided no results, would be frustrating for anyone.
Gerry probably did have a close and special relationship with Madeleine, as most fathers do with their daughters. It is a special bond because Dads can lavish unreservedly all the love and praise they hold back from the mother. All dads become protectors, gallant knights in armour, their daughters the princesses they swore to protect. In the eyes of their little girls they are heroes.
True, my views are mostly based on my own experience, but as a people watcher I often observe the interaction of dads and daughters when I am out and about. It makes me smile to see big strong men being bossed around unashamedly by cute little girls in ribbons! Most of us know, boys as well as girls, that our dads would lay down their lives for us. We could not for one moment imagine our Dads not looking for us if we went missing.
I said in a post recently, that Gerry and Kate have a lot of front, and this latest interview by Gerry will be on the day before the funding for OG runs out. Coincidence? Probably, but it should garner sympathy for the family if Operation Grange declare there was no abduction. In my opinion it is odd that Gerry McCann is the father chosen as a spokesman for men’s mental health issues, the comparisons to Prince Harry, bizarre. Are the McCanns preparing to relaunch themselves and The Fund, should OG not produce the result they want? Mens’ mental health is a very serious and real issue. Those bringing it to public attention have a moral obligation to speak about the subject honestly. Given the last 11+ years, how much honesty are the producers of this programme expecting from Gerry McCann?
Ps. I have just read the Sun article by Gerard du Cann (yeah, I know), which is of course totally sympathetic to Gerry and Kate claiming they were cleared by the Portuguese police in 2008.. However, the article is accompanied by the infamous Sun video of the dogs alerting, and a man who had the urge to dig up his garden. Just saying.
Ps. I have just read the Sun article by Gerard du Cann (yeah, I know), which is of course totally sympathetic to Gerry and Kate claiming they were cleared by the Portuguese police in 2008.. However, the article is accompanied by the infamous Sun video of the dogs alerting, and a man who had the urge to dig up his garden. Just saying.
The timing of the day before the funding is due to run out will be seen in the context its supposed to if the funding is not applied for, pre-emptive perchance.
ReplyDeleteGerry McCann giving an interview at this time proves to me at least, that he's pretty confident a body won't be found any time soon. How could they have outwitted so many for so long?
ReplyDeleteEasy. With 'company' help.
DeleteIf you don't mind, what is 'company' help?
DeleteAssistance from the 'firm' if you prefer.
DeleteOne with an outstanding reputation (allegedly) for confidentiality and seeing the job through.
10:43
DeleteOld Firm?
"When I'm paid I always see the job through".
Delete19 Sept 12.25
DeleteFollow the Scots
Not sure I agree with your strange interpretations of things. I suppose we should all be used to it by now. Do you seriously think that people who have suffered a tragedy or loss haven't suffered because you haven't witnessed some kind of public display ? And if they show or voice anger at their loss you jump on it like it's abnormal.Why do you get so angry when you're deprived of watching somebody suffer ? Do you want cameras installed in their home ? What's wrong with you woman ?
ReplyDeleteYou say your views are based on your own experiences and being a people watcher.How can your views regarding a crime abroad involving the child of two people you don't know be based on your own experiences ? Your views are poisoned by your own experiences. They infect everything you view and talk about. You can kid yourself that they 'inform' your views but that's wrong..You are incapable of viewing anything in an objective fashion.It's undiluted acid and it's aimed at the same targets day in, day out, and it's ugly.
And we're back with the family. No, I don't like to see people suffer, what an absurd idea. I can always tell when I hit a raw nerve, the vitriol in the replies goes up a few notches. Gerry has never shown any distress. That's a fact. It matters not to me one way or other, but given the circumstances, it's odd.
DeleteYou think my views are poisoned because I had a dysfunction childhood, or because I suffer from bipolar? I won't take offence because you think everyone who doesn't believe the McCanns has got something wrong with them, lol.
I appreciate this is a very tense time for you at the moment, but you can't blame me for that. Actually, I don't know who you can lay the blame on now that GA's out of your reach.
''I appreciate this is a very tense time for you at the moment, but you can't blame me for that. Actually, I don't know who you can lay the blame on now that GA's out of your reach.''
DeleteYou can't blame that degree of paranoia on bipolar or a bad childhood.You can invent as many reasons as you like to justify how vindictive and irrational you are. You only fool fools.You're very rarely rational.You've given your life to the study of the McCanns and you obsess daily.I suppose on the odd occasion that must anger you.And you vent here.Whenever you talk about the case and the Mccanns, all we learn about is you.
I vent here? Seriously?
DeleteI am sure if I thought about it, I would have much vent about, but the McCanns would be very low down on that list. The only emotion I feel towards them these days is pity, they are the ones caught up in a nightmare. And it must be said, it is a nightmare of their own making.
That you see the truth as vindictive and irrational is, with respect, your problem. It is not irrational to disbelieve obvious lies. Was the Portuguese Supreme Court vindictive and irrational? Lol, of course you will say yes.
This idea that everyone who disbelieves the abduction story has something wrong with them is wearing thin. Why do Gerry and Kate think people hate them? That 11:34 is real paranoia.
''I vent here? Seriously? ''
DeleteYes.Seriously.
''The only emotion I feel towards them these days is pity, they are the ones caught up in a nightmare. And it must be said, it is a nightmare of their own making.''
You think the bile that you put on here is an example of to express pity ? Then you say the objects of your 'pity' are in a 'nightmare of their own making' . Yes, the Freudian slip doesn't take long does it.
''It is not irrational to disbelieve obvious lies''
Of course it isn't.But it's irrational to claim something is 'an obvious lie' merely because you've decided to target two people you don't like( or know).Proving the lie would make it rational. Nothing less.
''Was the Portuguese Supreme Court vindictive and irrational? Lol, of course you will say yes. ''
Are you trying to use the ruling about Amaral's book and his unproven allegations to support and justify your irrational hatred of the McCanns ? Why not prove your own claims instead of making allegations against others which you can't back up ? Calling on hundreds of other snipers online is worthless.
''This idea that everyone who disbelieves the abduction story has something wrong with them is wearing thin.''
Tell SY and the PJ. Tell the forensics. And realise that the idea irritating as it clears the McCanns isn't the same as it wearing thin.There's a reason no other theory has trumped it for 12 years.There's no proof and no 'truth' that can be proven.That means the abduction theory is still standing.Or is it a murder investigation and both forces are unaware of it as you haven't taught them what the 'truth' is ?
''Why do Gerry and Kate think people hate them? That 11:34 is real paranoia.''
Is it ? Who said Gerry and Kate think people hate them ? Source ?
"And you vent here.Whenever you talk about the case and the Mccanns, all we learn about is you.", says Anonymous 11:34
DeleteThe irony.
Gerry and Kate have been caught in lies many, many times 14:00, Kate even admits to it in her book. Your challenge that I have to PROVE they are lying is laughable. Surely they should prove that they are not lying? Or are you insisting proof of abduction is not necessary, as being doctors and church goers, the word of the McCanns is sufficient?
DeleteActually, there are other options available. And we the people, are allowed to believe which option we choose. There is no law that says we have to believe the McCanns, even though they have done their utmost to usher one in.
There are two sides to this story. The account of the truth given by Kate and Gerry, and the more believable account of what went on in the summer of 2007, by Goncalo Amaral. I believe Goncalo's account, which matches the official police files which were released to the public.
We all have freedom of choice and freedom of speech. You waste yours by attacking me personally when you could be putting forward credible replies to the questions raised. Why silence Goncalo Amaral or even myself? Why not prove to the watching world, that the parents and their friends could not possibly have been involved in Madeleine's disappearance.
According to you, neither the PJ or Operation Grange suspect the parents. Ok. What was the gamechanger? Because there must have been one for them to abandon all the evidence collected by the original investigation.
And why has this gamechanger, not been made public? It is horribly cruel of the police not to have given the McCanns the all clear publicly. The words of DCI Redwood 7 years ago, hold little weight now, especially after 'Madeleine may not have left the apartment alive'.
Err, lol that the abduction trumps all others (after 12 years). You are in a deep state of denial 14:00 - get help. Unfortunately for the McCanns, their efforts to suppress GA's book and documentary, only led to it being more widely read (The Streisand Effect). When the legal gags come down, it will be a bestseller.
As for I and every other critic have to PROVE the McCanns did it before airing our views, do behave. Even Henry VIII (re-watching The Tudors for zillionth time, lol)didn't demand such draconian obedience from his subjects.
'Who said Gerry and Kate think people hate them?'. Source; themselves, lol. OK not directly, but their minions brought the word 'Hater' to our lexicon. Look, if you dare, at the interview given by Kate's mother. who plants the idea that Kate's slim figure and good looks were the reason support for the parents had dropped. All the adults in the room said WTF?
The idea that non believers were haters and pitchforkers, came directly from Team McCann. They couldn't argue the diabolical circumstances of Madeleine's disappearance, so they accused the non believers of hating them. Very playground of course, but that's down to the head of their media monitors.
Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton18 September 2018 at 16:16
Delete''Gerry and Kate have been caught in lies many, many times''
Why haven't they been arrested ?
"Madeleine McCann: a bride of Christ, an old story and grief recast as a mental health issue"
ReplyDeletehttp://www.anorak.co.uk/452305/madeleine-mccann/madeleine-mccann-a-bride-of-christ-an-old-story-and-grief-recast-as-a-mental-health-issue.html
'Eh? Grief and loss is now a form of mental illness? It’s not a human reaction to loss. It’s a treatable condition. As for the tosh about men not emoting and expressing themselves, how may poems has the producer ever read? What about books, films, music and art? Did women write them all? As for facts about the missing child, we’re told: “There have been 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine in 101 countries, but all of them have been ruled out.”'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grief
DeleteAnorak mocks the idea of grief being classified under the umbrella of mental illness yet says it's a 'treatable condition'.If it's isn't a component of the psyche, where is it to be located ? The knee ? Pass him the link.And Ros too. They might both learn something.
11:48
DeleteFYI
[wondering]: "Grief and loss is now a form of mental illness?"
[If we have to believe the tabloids and Gerry McCann via Radio 4]: "It’s not a human reaction to loss. It’s a treatable condition."
It's called sarcasm.
Indeed 09:01. In the olden days women didn't have the time to go wandering lonely as a cloud, or to stand and stare. And of course Judith Shakespeare would have been reduced to penury, had she spent her time writing rather than scrubbing steps.
DeleteAs the late, great Bill Hicks once said, go home and chuck out all your books, dvds and records, they are filled with male emotion (and quite a few drugs). Listen to Eric Clapton singing Tears in Heaven and I defy anyone not to be moved. Look at the frantic art of Vincent Van Gogh, listen to the agony in Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata. Despite the feminist digs at the beginning, we are surrounded in all the arts of by the passion, and often grief, of the artist.
@Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton18 September 2018 at 17:06
DeleteAny chance of you translating that little speech into plain English and explaining the point ?
Hi Rosalinda and others
ReplyDeleteThe Sun 17 Sept.2018, Gerard du Cann:”MADELEINE McCann’s father will speak about his battle with depression and grief in a candid interview on BBC Radio 4”,
but apparently not so much about what Madeleine might have felt when she woke up in an unknown place in the hands of the monster(s) who took her, where she could still be, if we’re to believe in the McCanns’ abduction story and their claims about Madeleine being alive. Does that not worry Gerry?
I sometimes wonder if Gerry still believes that Madeleine is able to give the abductor(s), whoever they are, “her tuppence worth." If he really does, this could be the reason as to why he never worries so much about her well-being, only about his own.
I've not listened to the interview yet, but Gerry is making a fool of himself if he keeps on talking about himself.
@ Björn 11:52
Delete"I've not listened to the interview yet, but Gerry is making a fool of himself if he keeps on talking about himself.:
So you have pre-judged what he is going to say? Maybe you could give us some quotes about what he has previously said about himself?
And therein lies the difference between the McCanns and other parents of murdered and missing children. They speak of their child's loss, all the milestone they would never reach, all the accomplishments they will never achieve. I remember weeping unashamedly when Sara Payne spoke about her murdered daughter. There was no doubt that her words came straight from her heart, her tears flowed, her nose ran, she didn't care.
DeleteGerry and Kate always speak about their loss, not Madeleine's. 'We are no longer a family of 5', 'I feel lonely' says Kate. Their failure to talk about Madeleine's life and all that she has lost, is, imo, a symptom of guilt. Or maybe it's just too painful. I would like to believe the latter, but it's unlikely, their own suffering has always taken precedence.
Hi Anon18 September 2018 at 16:09, and thanks for comment
DeleteI said "I've not listened to the interview yet, but Gerry is making a fool of himself if he keeps on talking about himself"
You said "So you have pre-judged what he is going to say? Maybe you could give us some quotes about what he has previously said about himself?
I said "IF"he keeps on talking about himself, and I suppose he will. Let's wait for this interview and see if he's changed his attitude.
Gerry, as well as Kate have always talked about themselves and how badly they're treated, so there's no need for quotes.
Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton18 September 2018 at 16:33
Delete''Their failure to talk about Madeleine's life and all that she has lost, is, imo, a symptom of guilt. ''
Another well informed unbiased opinion . Nutcase. And when they talk about how they tell the twins all about Madeleine and still include her at Christmas and remember to celebrate her birthday you call them sick or worse.
Q: "Does the single judges of ECHR rule an application inadmissible only?
ReplyDeleteI would like to know if the non judicial rapporteurs can also declare a case or application inadmissible. (I meant to type 'DO ONLY the single judges...')"
A: "I wish to inform you that if your application is clearly inadmissible because it does not meet all the required admissibility criteria, it will be dealt with by a single judge. The inadmissibility decision given by that judge is final and it will be communicated to you. It is not possible to challenge the inadmissibility decision or request any further information about it. The Court will close the case and the file will be destroyed at a later date."
http://www.legaljunkies.com/showthread.php?p=373178
Björn18 September 2018 at 11:52
ReplyDelete''this could be the reason as to why he never worries so much about her well-being, only about his own. ''
Can you provide the source for anything at all in that ridiculous claim ?
''I've not listened to the interview yet, but Gerry is making a fool of himself if he keeps on talking about himself.''
Nice to see that trademark unbiased Bjorn style.I see you've already
decided to don the blinkers and close the mind before you pretend to 'research' the case. Cruella De Vil will be pleased.You'll be singled out for extra praise and a biscuit ( unless jc turns up with his bizarre talents)
Hi Ano18 September 2018 at 14:08, and thanks for feed back
Delete"this could be the reason as to why he never worries so much about her well-being, only about his own", I said and I really thought it could be so, but I did not claim that it is.
Can you provide the source for anything at all in that ridiculous claim ?, you say and all I can say is that I've never heard Gerry say that he's so afraid that something awful has happened to Madeleine. What he's said is "there's no evidence to suggest, that Madeleine has come to any harm. Does such a statement make you think that he's worried about what has happened to her?
As for the mentioned interview, I searched for it, but I've now learnt that it will come about later on in September. I surely will try to listen to it.
Is it ? Who said Gerry and Kate think people hate them ? Source ?
ReplyDeleteAnon 18 sept 1400
Your stupidity is becoming an art form.Cutting and pasting every sentence demanding replies.
Read Kates book P310/311 where she speaks of a hate campaign against them and people sharing their hate and bile on the internet.
You have no interest in discussion but are conducting a moronic campaign against Ros because she doesn't like many others believe the crap we are being fed.
You wrote bullshit last week bullshit this week and every week patrolling this blog 24/7
Why bother you need help.
@ JJ
DeleteThat's Ziggy for you.
Or as jc says, the mole troll
JJ18 September 2018 at 15:13
DeleteSo you accept what Kate says - there is a hate campaign against the Mccanns.
Yes.Indeed.Repeat until funny.Or clever.
DeleteRosalinda, Cristobell Hutton18 September 2018 at 13:23
Delete''Why do Gerry and Kate think people hate them? That 11:34 is real paranoia.''
JJ18 September 2018 at 15:13
''Read Kates book P310/311 where she speaks of a hate campaign against them and people sharing their hate and bile on the internet.''
So there you go, Ros.The 'real paranoia' isn't that irrational after all ( I'm assuming you know the dictionary definition of paranoia).Thank your number 3 woof woof, JJ. I'm gald I could be the go- between for you 'erberts...
JJ18 September 2018 at 15:13
''You have no interest in discussion but are conducting a moronic campaign against Ros because she doesn't like many others believe the crap we are being fed.''
JJ, you have avoided debate and discussion as though they're speeding toward you like drunk drivers.You think because you use an angry tone and voice disgust at things that it makes you some kind of 'expert voice'.It doesn't.It makes you yet another online hardman using his keyboard like he's in a spaghetti western. Is there nobody in your house to annoy any more or do they mock you too ?It would explain a lot....
''You wrote bullshit last week bullshit this week and every week patrolling this blog 24/7
Why bother you need help.''
Ah yes, the obligatory 'mental health' joke( always a rib-tickler in most self respecting school playgrounds). I can see why you and Ros get along. It's that shared hatred ,frustration and bitterness with a smidgeon of anger ; but pretty much nothing of much worth to say.You've turned the fate of a lost little girl into a therapy session when you both feel a bit 'delicate'.May facts or logic never cloud your view or spoil your fun.You aren't worthy of my attention, sorry. I've shown too much patience with you I'm afraid.You've become like an itchy rash now though.
Just because Kate McCann claims there is a hate campaign against them, doesn't mean it's true. But I suppose from her perspective, it is better to say there is a hate campaign, than to say, thousands online do not believe them. When it came to the crunch, the Court room in Lisbon, Team McCann were unable to produce evidence of this so called campaign.
DeleteTrue, they had headcase Bennett on their tails, but even then, he's not driven by hate for them, he is driven by hate, period. It was just their misfortune that they fell within his sights. However, as objectionable as he is, and I think we all agree there, his handful of braindead zombies are about the worst of the 'antis' they faced. The majority who do not believe the abduction story, are reasonable, sane, objective, observers.
Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton18 September 2018 at 17:46
Delete''Just because Kate McCann claims there is a hate campaign against them, doesn't mean it's true. But I suppose from her perspective, it is better to say there is a hate campaign, than to say, thousands online do not believe them. ''
And just because a few oddballs refuse to believe that the police are telling the truth about investigating an abduction and having no evidence to purue any suspects doesn't mean they're right either.I think the police are in a better position than someone bored sat at a computer - don't you ?
''The majority who do not believe the abduction story, are reasonable, sane, objective, observers.''
They hide it well, I have to say. But then I always consider that making allegations, personal slights, and inventing incriminating evidence like body language, Freudian slips and accusations of fraud other than reasonable,sane or objective if none of it can be supported with a spec of evidence.
18 sep 17:19
DeleteA perfect example of your verbal diarrhoea,can't you do pithy sentences.
"avoid discussion"
I am still waiting to learn where in the 48 questions the PJ asked about dreams
Stop the lies and seek help.
Don't be afraid
Just learn to read and one
day you may be able to string a coherent argument together
"You are not worthy of my attention" but are on here 24/7 and I have never suffered itchy rashes myself but when you next get your medication ask your doctor for advice.
While not willing to become part of this particular exchange, JJ, I'd advise you to at least think out what you want to say before you let rip.What Ziggy says rings too true.He annoys people by pointing out that nobody can back up anything without evidence no matter how many times they repeat it or no matter what the depth of feeling they have.It isn't him that annoys the likes of you and Ros, it's what he reminds you of. To make it worse, he reminds us all that the lack of police action in 11 years suggests that those pretending to be spreading the truth are being contradicted by the real fact and real truth, that is, that nobody has been charged with anything and there's no relaistic reason to envisage a change. To do so looks like nothing more than wishing. Also, I know the post on a previous blog ( 48 questions) you're referring to.He did as you requested and all you did was rant and rave and prove his point.I also have to say that the constant 'seek help' and 'mentaly ill' jibes are not only childish, they're not funny either.It looks more like you're angry at somebody rather than what they say.Whatever you or Ros or anyone says, nobody can accuse him of being incoherent whether you agree with him or not. This blog is a far better place when he's contributing to it.
DeleteAnon 18 Sept 21.23
DeleteDo never forget the words of Portugal's Supreme Court that "Madeleine McCann's parents have not been ruled innocent" -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/madeleine-mccanns-parents-have-not-ruled-innocent-judge-says/
Portugal overrules the British Police as the crime was committed in Portugal, which many of the McCanns' sycophants seem to overlook.
''Portugal overrules the British Police as the crime was committed in Portugal, which many of the McCanns' sycophants seem to overlook.''
DeleteReally ?
''But what I can say, just as I did back in 2011 and 2013, is that Maddie's parents are not suspects. That statement remains: the parents are not suspects. Full stop.''
(Portuguese police chief Pedro Do Carmo 2011, 2013, and 2017)
Portuguese = 'native of Portugal' working for the Portuguese Police Force ( Portugal)
Get it yet ?
Ros says:
ReplyDelete"It is a special bond because Dads can lavish unreservedly all the love and praise they hold back from the mother. All dads become protectors, gallant knights in armour, their daughters the princesses they swore to protect. In the eyes of their little girls they are heroes.
True, my views are mostly based on my own experience, but as a people watcher I often observe the interaction of dads and daughters when I am out and about. It makes me smile to see big strong men being bossed around unashamedly by cute little girls in ribbons! Most of us know, boys as well as girls, that our dads would lay down their lives for us. We could not for one moment imagine our Dads not looking for us if we went missing."
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That's another box ticked then Ros - you are now an expert in father daughter relationships.
(I really really tried not to laugh or put in a few lol's as I typed that)
@Unknown18 September 2018 at 16:04
DeleteHello again dear.
"(I really really tried not to laugh or put in a few lol's as I typed that)"
Was that because you have, or have had such a bad father-daughter relation? Just a thought, and a humble question with no intention of being rude, just curious.
Unknown18 September 2018 at 16:04
DeleteThat's very direspectful.Why wouldn't she be an expert.She's a people watcher don'cha know.
Where did I say I was an expert 16:04. I state quite clearly, and you have c/p 'my views are mostly based on my own experience.
DeleteI was fortunate to have the best dad in the world (some might argue that, lol), and I often speak about him on here. I always knew how fortunate I was because I had friends who's fathers were distant or authoritarian.
I make no apologies for speaking about my dad, the memories of him always make me happy and I like to share that with my readers. And I like to recount the things he did and said, and I like to think any dads reading here love their kids as much as my dad loved me. You can try all you like to twist that as something evil, but fortunately love trumps hate.
Hi Rosalinda,
ReplyDeleteAs JJ writes @ 15:13 and pretty well sums it up about the keyboard crusader on this blog.
I refer to the person who patrols this site on every second post with put-downs of your brilliant writing.
I'm surprised you let it go.
But on the other hand it's actually quite an educational experience to witness a person who has no imagination or talent and a lot of free time on their hands endlessly distorting what all your readers and the world knows to be the truth. He surely gets his kicks.
On another topic:
It will be interesting to see the reactions of the press to Mr McCann's interview. I'm surprised he would want to expose himself again.
You would think the family would have learned to fly under the radar by now. But much to the delight of the media the McCanns keep the pot boiling.
jc
''But on the other hand it's actually quite an educational experience to witness a person who has no imagination or talent and a lot of free time on their hands endlessly distorting what all your readers and the world knows to be the truth. He surely gets his kicks.''
DeleteExactly, jc.And yet still she publishes your nonsense and still you refuse every request made for you to provide some kind of source for your rubbish.You must really do her ego good.
Actually arguing with the dotards gives me the opportunity to flex my razor sharp wit, lol. My only disappointment is the poor quality of the opposition.
DeleteThe interview is an odd move, I would have thought at this time they would prefer the ground to open up and swallow them. Perhaps they know something we don't JC, the results of Operation Grange.
Blacksmith is right in that they are not being kept informed, but as OG comes to an end, they must have some awareness as to what is going on. My money is on them disagreeing with the findings of the police (both teams), and they have probably not been speaking to them for a very long time. The police think Madeleine is dead (yeh, they do), whilst Gerry and Kate have believe/hope she is alive. That puts them in direct conflict, they are not singing from the same hymn sheet.
It will indeed be interesting to see the reaction of the press to the interview, but it may be superseded by any announcements by OG on the closing of their investigation the following day.
''Perhaps they know something we don't JC, the results of Operation Grange.''
DeleteYes, that would explain needing more funding; to tell us all the results.Are you serious ?
'' My money is on them disagreeing with the findings of the police (both teams),''
You mean they won't accept an 'ending' just because no abductor or Madeleine is found.You're anticipating the obvious but trying to appear smart so you can slate them for it later.Cheap.
'' The police think Madeleine is dead (yeh, they do), ''
(no, they don't). You heard Redwood say they had to consider the 'possibility' of the worst case scenario and grabbed it like a gold nugget and it's been locked tightly in your white-knuckled fist to this day.It's precious to you.That's sick.Not a surprise. Just sick.
Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton18 September 2018 at 18:41
Delete"Actually arguing with the dotards gives me the opportunity to flex my razor sharp wit, lol"
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Would you care to give an example of that?
Hmm, from the size of the heavy digging plant, and the number of officers and cadaver dogs out searching, they were doing a bit more than considering the 'possibility'. Team McCann considered the possibility of Madeleine being in Morocco or being held prisoner in the wastelands of PDL. Have there ever been any huge police operations following up on those 'possibilities'?
DeleteYou really over estimate this subject's importance to me 19:13, 'white knuckles' indeed. On waking the first thing I check is that Donald Trump hasn't fired off any ballistic missiles, drink copious amounts of tea and catch up on current news. I only look at the #McCann twitter hashtag if there is any breaking news and I have been alerted to it on my blog. I read Blacksmith, but very rarely look at the cesspit, the other ones, or the performing chimps on Stop the Myths. Watching them swing with one arm, and try to stick their heads up their arses, is amusing to begin with, but the novelty wears off if they haven't got any new tricks, and they haven't.
Hi JC 18 September 2018 at 17:40
Delete"It will be interesting to see the reactions of the press to Mr McCann's interview. I'm surprised he would want to expose himself again"
Interesting indeed, and I'm just as surprised as you are, that Gerry doesn't hide behind "a source near to the McCanns" instead.
This could be Gerry's biggest mistake ever. Maybe a real embedded confession. Who knows. Rudolf Hess decided to keep a low profile all through the Nürnberg trial.He didn't speak a word until suddenly on the very last day he felt that he needed to talk about himself and his innocence. He got sentenced to life. He would have got away with less had he just been smart enough to shut up.
Hi Bjorn, many thanks for your great posts - I always feel I have learned something :)
DeleteI think the Gerry interviews have been recorded over a period of time Bjorn, and much will depend on how it is edited. It will be broadcast on the 29th September I believe, but now can't remember if it is the day before or the day after, the closures of Operation Grange - if that indeed, is what is on the cards.
Gerry is not half as clever as he thinks he is. That's not a venomous insult btw, I once had it applied to me by one of my lecturers at Uni! I absolutely roared with laughter, and it often comes to mind when I get too big for my boots!
Gerry, however, is lacking in the ability to laugh at himself, he is always in earnest. A bummer if his true character is life and soul of the party.
The McCanns don't drink. Excessively. I don't drink anymore, but I often bring in the old drunk that I was (hic), because I did indeed have a lot of laughs. I have a public school boy's sense of humour, because I grew up on Billy Bunter and Lord Snooty, actually most of my favourite comics were based in private boarding schools, who remembers the 'Four Marys'? Chuck in P.G. Wodehouse and the fictional world of gentility was complete! In the real world, when I had to pretend I had been away at boarding school, I was brilliant at it!
I literally have no idea how Team McCann are going to play out the next couple of weeks. Gerry's interview may be significant - how many do they turn down? I guess at the back of their minds is the suspicion that their interviewer is really in search of a scoop, rather than a genuine concern for their feelings. Newsrooms are lions dens, every journalist looking for fame and fortune. The sugary faux sympathy of Lorraine Kelly and Carole Malone, will quickly turn to the sharpest of claws if they get the exclusive, the Martin Bashir moment when the parents spill the beans.
Who will they give that exclusive to? No doubt Clarence is sweating in the background, roll up, roll up. Oprah, is up there, as is Lorraine. Piers Morgan is just about 2 to 1 on.
The fabulous Sandra Felgueiras (who I have a girl crush on), should be favourite. If you could gather up, keep and treasure, a particular moment, it would the top cringiest moment when Gerry tried to flirt with he beautiful Sandra and she replied 'No Gerry, I would like to ask you'. My instant thought was, 'you go girlfriend', one for the feminists, lol.
Kate, I would like to have a few words with. Like 'ffs woman, stop hanging onto him as if he's the hero that saved you from the dragon!'. Every little girl's dream isn't to marry a doctor and have a large house in the suburbs with room for a pony.
What's wrong with being a 'whole' woman. Why are you pathologically attached to being someone's other half? Why can't you speak without a hand to hold, or another voice describing your pain? I put you up there with Ivanka Trump, another woman who defines herself by the men in her life. Wife, mother, sister, daughter, etc, why the fu*ck, can't these modern day feminists just be women in their own right?
Kate hides behind her man. It could almost be a cheesy Country and Western heartbreaker. Gerry is her destiny and she is his. (Apologies, still watching 'Tudors'). In times of crisis, Gerry's is the level head, the authoritative voice that puts those inquisitors in their place. She looks to him for protection. And he acts like the protector. On morning TV, they can return to Portugal for a reconstruction, and he waves his hand towards the mother of the child, who shouldn't have to endure any more pain. They make a great double act. I could cope says Gerry, but SHE couldn't. What a hero!
DeleteIs Gerry Alpha male protecting his wife and family? It will be interesting to see what he reveals. As most of the interview has already been recorded however, I'm not expecting any major revelations.
From the outside Bjorn, what we may be seeing is the culmination of all the elements gathering for a 'perfect storm' at the end of September. OG could of course say, that despite 7 years and untold cash, they have actually discovered nothing. Actually, I think that is the least likely conclusion.
Hello Rosalinda
DeleteThanks for reading my thoughts and giving me feed back. I appreciate that very much.
I have an inner feeling about something decisive going to happen, that helps us understand what has been done or not in this crime case all these years.
The Portuguese PJ and the Met/SY cannot just drop the case and let it fade away in the the emptiness of the political rhetoric, just because they haven't found enough evidence or any "new" suspects.
At least, there has to be some tangible substance in the investigative research, that the Operation Grange have been doing all these years, something that can be assessed or evaluated.
In case the OG would say that they haven't found anything at all worth talking about, it would be interesting to se the McCanns reaction or respnse to that. Satisfied or Furious?
Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton18 September 2018 at 18:41
ReplyDelete"Actually arguing with the dotards gives me the opportunity to flex my razor sharp wit, lol. My only disappointment is the poor quality of the opposition."
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dotard
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noun: dotard; plural noun: dotards
"an old person, especially one who has become weak or senile."
It appears that Ros thinks that is clever and a lol moment!
20:50
Delete1. A dotard; someone who displays senility.
2. A fool or simpleton; someone who displays stupidity.
Rox is clearly having a senior moment.
DeleteYeah, sounds about right. If you were familiar with current affairs you would know the insult was used by Kim Jong Un against Donald Trump, but it works equally well when applied to blogger cloggers.
DeleteWhat would work even better would be if you spent less time referencing Trump like an american chat show host and use the word 'dullard'.Yw.
DeleteI am deeply flattered to be compared to an American chat show host, they are my idols at the mo.
DeleteSo you would prefer I not make reference to the greatest threat to mankind since the Bay of Pigs, and stick to talking about the McCanns. As American John McEnroe would say 'you cannot be serious'!
I confess I am completely caught up in American politics at the moment, a relatively new found interest, and I am mesmerized. They have Dallas and we have Coronation Street!
But I jest, the horrors that go on in Westminster are too close to home for me to keep an emotional distance. Watching what is going on in the White House is like watching a really dramatic soap opera on fast forward. Maybe not a soap opera, more Sopranos or the Godfather. The intertwining of the story lines is sheer genius, worthy of Tarantino himself, and we just know it is heading towards a dramatic climax.
Did you know 20:50, that our knowledge of times gone by comes from the writers, artists and musicians who captured those moments in time? Even Jane Austin (I'm not a fan) captured the culture and spirit of England during the Regency period. A time when young English men were going off to war (Crimean I think?). Should she not have mentioned any of that?
In trying to belittle me, you so often expose your own ignorance 12:50. Any writer, of worth, draws a picture of their setting in words. Those who are really good at it, become iconic. Think of Dickins, think of Queen Victoria, how much did she care about those dying on the streets?
And don't try to pull that cultural elitism on me. Popular culture 'is of its' time'. It reflects life. Some compare, or should I say, refuse to compare, The Beatles to Beethoven? Apply 'of its' time'. The Beatles were representative of the swinging sixties (think Austin Powers), England was feeling the love, socialist Harold Wilson was Prime Minister. London was buzzing. Apologies for the quick lesson in A-level English there, but you are sorely in need of enlightenment.
Dullard is OK, but dotard apparently was oft used in ye old days, and has a catchy ring to it. A bit like strumpet, which sadly, as a feminist, I rarely get to use. Dotard though is great, well done Chairman Kim for reviving it!
Dear oh dear..
Delete''Apologies for the quick lesson in A-level English there, but you are sorely in need of enlightenment.''
Thanks Ros. That's like receiving a crash course in dating from Ted Bundy.
''So you would prefer I not make reference to the greatest threat to mankind since the Bay of Pigs''
No, i said Trump. There have been bigger threats than the bay of pigs and Trump.There was that Austrian guy who moved to Germany.Wossisname..it'll come to me anyway.
'' They have Dallas and we have Coronation Street!''
Yes, food for the silly.How profound.Thanks for the heads up on that one.
Politicians are corrupt, politics is corrupt.What are you learning that most of us didn't already know ? The banks own the lot of it.They run the game and the house always wins.The media machine is owned by a handful of jews and so are all the banks.WW2 didn't end, it was just an announcement to distract us and cause us to dance in the streets as the big movers flew across the pond to re-group for phase 3. That kicked in on 9-11.
''Did you know 20:50, that our knowledge of times gone by comes from the writers, artists and musicians who captured those moments in time?''
No.But I know a lot of their take on things is passed on and a lot of history is basically bullshit.
'' A time when young English men were going off to war (Crimean I think?). Should she not have mentioned any of that?''
I know that Tennyson penned Charge Of The Light Brigade as a long lie to keep up the morale of the folks back home in Blighty during the Battle Of Balaclava.An idiot shouted charge instead of retreat and their was a slaughter.
''In trying to belittle me, you so often expose your own ignorance 12:50. Any writer, of worth, draws a picture of their setting in words. Those who are really good at it, become iconic. Think of Dickins, think of Queen Victoria, how much did she care about those dying on the streets?''
You have far too many natural negative personality traits as well as those you have acquired through your dramas to add 'condescending' to them. I admire Dickens ( or Dickins if you prefer). He'd lived in a debtors prison and rose to mix in the best circles.He stuck to certain detectives like glue to research crime too and developed an admirable insight of the criminal mind as well as the investigative one.
''England was feeling the love, socialist Harold Wilson was Prime Minister. London was buzzing.''
And Wilson was laying eggs following the Profumo scandal in London in the 60s, the leverage Russia was using on him, and Lord Boothby's affair with Eastend bitch Ronnie Kray, gangster /paedophile who managed to bribe him into raising their plight in the House Of Commons.Buzzing with love indeed.
'' A bit like strumpet, which sadly, as a feminist, I rarely get to use. ''
You're a woman, it would be too difficult to remember it's use.Feminist have never been anything more than a nuisance to society and the family unit.That's birds though...thanks for your heavily edited seminar. I'm sure I've developed much wisdom from it.
Deary me, you are a tad perturbed, lol.
DeleteProfumo as a Tory, as were all those involved in he Profumo scandal. Labour, under Harold Wilson, were basically doing everything Jeremy Corbyn is now promising. England was a symbol of progressive change that that spread throughout the world. Looking after people and the infrastructure made the economy boom!
As for feminism, once again you display your pig ignorance. If you can say that Bjorn, I can say that to you. You are so overtly macho, I have to wonder as to your true sexuality. Do you wear leather chaps and have a moustache? Just asking.
@ Ros
Delete"Even Jane Austin (I'm not a fan) captured the culture and spirit of England during the Regency period."
Would that be Jane Austen?
You mean am I a feminist ? No.
DeleteGerry McCann the father who had a loving relationship with his daughter yet she was called "Margaret" on their Find Madeleine website for some time before it was pointed out to them - that loving father-daughter relationship we're being told about.
ReplyDeleteThen the loving father-daughter relationship when Gerry McCann referred to his beloved missing daughter as "the child" - "where, where, where is, is the child". It seems as if he couldn't even refer to his own beloved, missing daughter by her own name or perhaps he couldn't remember whether she was Margaret or Madeleine at that precise time.
And why did the PJ ask that question on their list of 48 questions that KM refused to answer? Why did they include that question, where did they get the information from. Had someone tipped them off or did they contact Social Services in the UK which I presume any country would do if a child goes missing. The police need to know the relationship between the child and its parents.
Another desperate attempt to cast aspersions with the tired Social Services on line conspiracy theory.Where do we go after the bottom of this barrel ?
DeleteAnon 18 Sept 22.11
DeleteHave you actually read the 48 questions that Kate McCann refused to answer? It's nothing to do with the bottom of the barrel, is it now, as you quite rightly know but have to defend the McCanns for whatever reason you think fit. Shall I remind you of that question KM refused to answer in case you haven't bothered to research it, it's nothing to do with the "tired" Social Services is it, but what the SS know about the McCanns -
Question 41 - Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine's custody to a relative?
Please tell me what the tired SS have to do with that question. Perhaps it even came from a relative or a friend of the McCanns who were concerned about Madeleine or are you too up the McCanns' backs*des that you can't even contemplate what the question is referring to as it doesn't jell what you've been told about the McCanns?
https://ico.org.uk/media/action-weve-taken/decision-notices/2009/463960/FS_50188322.pdf
Delete"Findings of fact
13. On 3 May 2007 the child Madeleine McCann went missing; at the time of the information request the investigation into her disappearance was high profile and continuing. In determining to withhold certain information under the section 27 exemption, FCO consulted with the British Embassy in Lisbon and with two relevant authorities in the UK – Leicestershire Police and the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO).
14. FCO told the Commissioner that a family member had made clear to FCO staff that all comments made by that individual to FCO had been made in strict confidence and were not intended for disclosure to third parties. FCO did not approach the family member again during the Commissioner’s investigation but told the Commissioner that they were confident the individual would not appreciate being contacted regarding disclosure of the relevant personal information, a position the Commissioner accepted."
Anonymous19 September 2018 at 00:45
Delete''Have you actually read the 48 questions that Kate McCann refused to answer? ... Shall I remind you of that question KM refused to answer in case you haven't bothered to research it, it's nothing to do with the "tired" Social Services is it, but what the SS know about the McCanns -''
Yes, and yes.
''Question 41 - Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine's custody to a relative?''
And ?
''Please tell me what the tired SS have to do with that question. Perhaps it even came from a relative or a friend of the McCanns who were concerned about Madeleine''
Possibly.If it actually is true.
''''or are you too up the McCanns' backs*des that you can't even contemplate what the question is referring to as it doesn't jell what you've been told about the McCanns?''
And there it is.The poison they can't keep down.Sad.What have you 'been told' by the way ?
Let's look at the event.A child was missing, presumed abducted, but with the chance( according to one unfocused detective) of a death.What does the question you isolated have to do with what happened on the night of the event ?What has it to do with an abduction ?The 'tired' SS theory has been spinning around the internet since 2007.It rides in tandem with Gerry not being the biological father and having a CATS file as well as Kate having difficulty coping with 3 demanding babies and the SS calling and suggesting some respite.All of these came from intrepid online investigators.Their only qualifications being the availability of endless hours to think about it all and how many true crime documentaries they'd watched.They would never let annoying little details like evidence or witnesses stop their crusade, and they haven't really changed.Nothing has changed in the case either.Nobody is able to provide anything to arrest and charge anyone as it's all been cleaned up and polished.If they couldn't find evidence before the sweep, how can they now ? That's why it's only year 11.It will be year 100 one day and no resolution will be on record.For the record, questions 8, 22, 24,25,26,27,28,29 ( especially 29) 32, 33,35 and 36 were all a waste of breath and didn't concern an abduction.Even if the detective/s suspected the parents of wrongdoing they had an obligation to have all options and avenues open, not just focus on their 'instinct' and ignore all others and waste valuable time.
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Good to know. Thanks.
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Hi Rosalinda
ReplyDeleteI didn't realise that Gerry is going to talk. I thought he'd already been interviewed. Anyway, I've now learnt, that Gerry will be on BBC Radio 4, Saturday 29 September, 2.30pm-3pm and Simon Armitage is going to read his translation of the ancient poem ”Pearl”, dedicated to the McCanns, especially to Gerry.This is going to be interesting and I really hope that you will comment on it.
” While translating it into modern English I kept thinking of the McCann family and their daughter Madeleine”, SA says.
The 14th century poem is written by a man who’s grieving the loss of his daughter. ” I [know] that religion plays an important part in the McCann’s family life, as it does for the author of Pearl, who seeks consolation through his faith”, SA says.
All so true I’d say, just ask the catholic priest Father Jose Manuel Pacheco in PDL, who said that he had been the victim of some form of deception in trying to comfort the McCanns and giving them the key to the church.
In this poetic context (how did he end up here?), Gerry is apparently going to talk about how he’s dealing with his own feelings as a father of a lost daughter. However, I really doubt that he can understand medieval poetry, when he does not even understand or respect freedom of speech.
I’d of course very much like to hear what Gerry has to say about himself and the poem in question, but I’m not sure that I can get access to BBC R 4 in my remote corner of the world (on the webb perhaps).
If someone of you here, who reside in the UK, would have time to listen, in case I can’t, I’d very much appreciate to hear what he says and your views on it. It could be an interesting topic of discussion.
''All so true I’d say, just ask the catholic priest Father Jose Manuel Pacheco in PDL, who said that he had been the victim of some form of deception in trying to comfort the McCanns and giving them the key to the church.''
DeleteAnd you think the PJ didn't pursue that ? How about SY ? It's been typed onto the internet endless times yet no police deem it worthy of investigation. Help them out, Bjorn.
'' Gerry is apparently going to talk about how he’s dealing with his own feelings as a father of a lost daughter. However, I really doubt that he can understand medieval poetry, when he does not even understand or respect freedom of speech.''
He understands what it's like to have to live with the feelings of losing his daughter and not knowing if he'll ever see her again.That's why he wants to talk about it.He isn't doing it to have a discussion of medieval poetry.Your freedom of speech insinuation is ridiculous even by your own standards.If somebody thinks making slanderous, unsupportable and vicious allegations should be punished, it doesn't mean he's against free speech.It means he thinks that defamation of character and a concerted attempt to ruin the reputation of somebody and cause them alarm and distress is immoral, illegal and wrong.
It's going to bad enough having comments about the funereal Armitage let alone a mob of vigilantes inventing nonsense to further their own lunatic crusade.
Bjorn 18 Sept 21.56
DeleteIt just goes to show how pig ignorant many people are who jump on the McCanns' bandwagon for their 15 minutes of fame but make themselves look complete a*seholes when they know nothing regarding the background to the disappearance of poor Madeleine.
Perhaps this idiot should have interviewed Kate McCann's mother regarding the couple when he spouts "I (know) that religion plays an important part in the McCann's family life".
Stupid effing idiot should have interviewed KM's mother who stated on TV news "I don't know why Kate asked for a priest as she isn't particularly religious".
There you go idiot Simon Armitage, why didn't you interview KM's mother before making that ridiculous claim?
Anon 18 Sept 22.24
DeleteAsk the dogs, woof, woof. They'll tell you what happened to Madeleine.
How do you know what the PJ are pursuing, have they told you. Have you been in contact with them with regard to what they're investigating?
Give up all the rubbish about Gerry and his feelings, he couldn't even remember whether his daughter was called Margaret or Madeleine.
When has he actually shown any feelings regarding losing his daughter, he's even been working non stop for the past 11 years so obviously her disappearance hasn't affected his brain, he seems to have carried on his life as normal, and didn't you see the video of him on a balcony shortly after Madeleine disappeared when he didn't know he was being filmed, he was shown laughing with someone whilst on his mobile and gesticulating with his hands as if he didn't have a care in the world. He didn't look like he'd lost his daughter to a p e d o which he and his Mrs seemed to want to drill into everyone's brains as to what had happened to Madeleine, they've never acted any differently since that their beloved daughter may be in the hands of a p e d o, even when the police were rushing to a petrol station where a supposed sighting of Madeleine was reported. Poor little snowflake Kate complained that the Police were driving too fast, was that because she knew there could be no possible sighting but was thinking about her own safety as Madeleine was beyond saving at that point? Think about it before you jump to your own conclusions and call us all a mob of vigilantes.
And before you come back with nonsense about Kate thinking about the twins, did you know that she stated "I wish I could push a button and we're all gone, we're all together". So what do you perceive that means, that Madeleine is gone and d e a d , otherwise if she pushes a button and they're all gone that would mean that Madeleine would be left on her own if she was ever found.
Now do you understand that nonsense of what the McCanns' claim and what the mob of vigilantes pick up on and we're not all so gullible as you or are you pretending to be gullible as you're on the McCanns' payroll and can't say anything against them.
Anonymous19 September 2018 at 01:17
Delete''Ask the dogs, woof, woof. They'll tell you what happened to Madeleine.''
Dogs aren't able to speak, so no point really.The SY detectives are, as is Grime and as are the trained scientists in the forensics department.In 11 + years they haven't used the evidence of the dogs to bring an arrest or charge.Do you think, in your woof woof dream, that if the dogs could speak that they'd name names ?
''How do you know what the PJ are pursuing, have they told you. Have you been in contact with them with regard to what they're investigating?''
Based on the shelving of the case in just under a year, I'd take that as them not investigating much at all after that.If a priest had mentioned publicly he'd been betrayed over the keys to the church, I'm assuming the detectives-even those of the PJ- would see a red flag and investigate.It's called common sense.Look it up.
''When has he actually shown any feelings regarding losing his daughter,''
How often have you sat inside their home and observed his behaviour and listened to his private conversations ? You haven't.So you can't comment.We all have a public face and a private one.The vultures are being deprived of something to look at and 'read'. The rest of your paragraph is another 'reading'. Everyone's Peter Hyatt now.A facial expression means this, a look to the left means that, a specific word is meant to do the other.Join a fairground.
''she stated "I wish I could push a button and we're all gone, we're all together". So what do you perceive that means, that Madeleine is gone and d e a d , otherwise if she pushes a button and they're all gone that would mean that Madeleine would be left on her own if she was ever found.''
To normal people, that suggests that she wishes she had the equivalent of a magic wand that she could use and they'd be a full family unit again and out of the spotlight held on them by thousands of lunatics.
''Now do you understand that nonsense of what the McCanns' claim and what the mob of vigilantes pick up on and we're not all so gullible as you''
You're mistaking the subjective interpretations of something for picking up on something.You see something and see if you can bend it to fit your own idea( the idea of a lot who won't think with any depth).The police would do the same if it was realistic-but it isn't.They need cold facts and evidence.Not suspicious minds and gossip based on previous cases or documentaries.
'' or are you pretending to be gullible as you're on the McCanns' payroll and can't say anything against them.''
That closing statement says much about the paranoid imaginings of the vigilantes.it's partly funny, partly disturbing.
Anonymous18 September 2018 at 23:51
DeleteBjorn 18 Sept 21.56
Bjorn your post means nothing.It makes no sense.It's just another pointless rant against a family who lost their little girl.You are in no position to call anyone pig ignorant.
Hello Anon18 September 2018 at 22:24
Delete"It means he thinks that defamation of character and a concerted attempt to ruin the reputation of somebody and cause them alarm and distress is immoral, illegal and wrong"
Seeking the truth, questioning the McCanns' version of what happened to Madeleine, as many do on this blog, is neither "immoral", nor is it a crime, and it'll only ruin the lives of the McCanns if they become charged and convicted of being implicated in the disappearance of their daughter, which imo is more likely than not.
Have the McCanns ever been seen as nice, gentle and kind people (before or after Madeleine went missing) by neighbours, patients at hospital or others? Respected for being successful in their professions and admired by many for being good looking, perhaps, but as far as their emotional lives are concerned there isn't so much to admire or envy, I'm afraid. Talking about such things in the context of the Madeleine case cannot be wrong or defamatory.
Anon18 September 2018 at 23:51
DeleteHello
Regarding Simon Armitage and Gerry McCann
I believe that this, hopefully, is the last scene of the extended McCann farce, as it seems to be a desperate attempt by Gerry and his team to get some culture celebrities on their side.
Poor Simon he's about to become just as duped by the McCanns and their little helpers as the priest in PDL was. He's going to regret that he ever allowed himself to be so easily fooled and seduced by someone he may have felt sincerely sorry for.
Anonymous 19 September 2018 at 01:17
Delete“Poor little snowflake Kate…”
I like that!
“Ask the dogs, woof, woof. They'll tell you what happened to Madeleine.”
I love dogs and I love “the dogs”. I can translate from Dog. :)
Would you mind telling me why you say that ”the dogs” can ‘tell’ what happened to Madeleine? This is not a trick question, but you might wish to think carefully about your answer should you feel like replying.
Many thanks.
T
Ziggy....you,you,you,you,Troll
DeleteYou should get that stutter seen to.
DeleteMr Sawdust is a valuable contributor to the blog lol
18:12
Delete“Ziggy....you,you,you,you,Troll”
You’ve forgotten “Crucify!”, kind stranger.
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Hi anon19 September 2018 at 12:28
DeleteI just wanted to sort a few things out.
It was anon 18 September 2018 at 23:51 who referred to my name and my earlier post (Bjorn 18 Sept 21.56), but he/she does not quote anything that I've said.
Nevertheless I agree with him/her in that people are often ignorant to facts in the Madeline case. However, I'm not familiar with the expression"pig ignorant", though I can guess the meaning of it.
Here'is the paragraph that I did not write, but essetially I agree with the poster of it.
"It just goes to show how pig ignorant many people are who jump on the McCanns' bandwagon for their 15 minutes of fame but make themselves look complete a*seholes when they know nothing regarding the background to the disappearance of poor Madeleine"
As for Simon Armitage, I don't think he's quite an idiot but rather a victim of the McCanns'manipulative actions, and here's what I wrote regarding that under my own name 19 September 2018 at 13:45
"Poor Simon he's about to become just as duped by the McCanns and their little helpers as the priest in PDL was"
I too sometimes find it difficult to see who writes what and who is quoting who.
Have a nice day anyway.
19 Sept 18.46
DeleteI dont think it's a stutter.
Soredust has that effect on people
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DeleteBjörn19 September 2018 at 13:15
'' as far as their emotional lives are concerned there isn't so much to admire or envy, I'm afraid. Talking about such things in the context of the Madeleine case cannot be wrong or defamatory.''
It could just be called nasty, malicious or-at best- tittle tattle.Choose one or choose another, it makes no difference.It isn't defamatory and nobody who thinks straight would take much notice- if any at all- about someone just trying to get something out of his system.Then again, you might have a history of friendship with them or you may have worked with them once or twice thus qualify to have an opinion to a degree. But if you're just somebody who reads things on the internet and have your own suspicions, it doesn't qualify you to put forward any opinions at all about the inner workings of their mind or emotional make up. It merely sheds further light into your own darkness.Then we can all see you.
Hello Anon 20 September 2018 at 13:34, and thanks for comment.
Deletekey word "emotional make up"
Kate has, in her book, revealed, that her relationship with Madeleine is more of a clinical and pathological kind, than truly emotional,which explains her and Gerry's failed attempts to come across as normally distraught and worried victims, whose beloved child has been taken by a stranger. The more the McCanns talk about themselves the better I can understand their minds and their intentions.
"it doesn't qualify you to put forward any opinions at all about the inner workings of their mind or emotional make up"
Here, you mention something interesting about the McCanns, namely their "emotional make up", which by the way is a very good choice of words imo, as it describes how the McCanns express their feelings. They're able to put on an "EMOTIANAL MAKE UP"at any time, just as they did in the "praying arabes charades", which was witnessed by the two Portuguese police detectives, who arrived at the scene of the crime.
Anonymous 20 September 2018 at 09:51
Delete“I dont think it's a stutter.”
Neither do I: I know it isn’t.
“Sawdust has that effect on people”
Indeed, because my estimable comrade Rising Snn is exceedingly good at wrong-footing his opponents. He’s always good for a laugh. His capacity for humour is inexhaustible. He is amazingly good looking, kind, cordial, and generous. To say he ain’t no high-classed is just a lie.
Telvis Pricey
Ziggmund the Glorious 20 September 2018 at 13:34
DeleteMy glorious comrade
“It could just be called nasty, malicious…”
I could be. But what would it tell about the caller? Listerine – an excellent mouthwash!
“But if you're just somebody who reads things on the internet and have your own suspicions, it doesn't qualify you to put forward any opinions at all about the inner workings of their mind or emotional make up.”
Nice one, but isn’t that what you have been doing? Both Björn and you are guessing. Your guesses are at variance, and you continue to insist that yours are better than his. You say logic and common sense are your guides. I guess that’s what Björn, if asked, would say. One is left wondering as to what to make of this impasse…
Namaste, God’s gift to Rosalinda’s blog.
Thomas the Doubting
'' One is left wondering as to what to make of this impasse…''
DeleteAllow me, comrade.....
When you stumble upon what you consider is an impasse between two opposing positions, all you have to do is to weigh them against each other. In this case, consider which 'side' uses the most emotive language for effect;which side is willing to discuss the merits of a point( for and against) ; which side is using an objective detatched position to observe and comment from ;which side is willing and able to provide sources and address the weaknesses of his opposing number's arguments.When challenged which side ducks behind a rock and which comes back with a counter. It's far from an impasse.
Namste
''Indeed, because my estimable comrade Rising Snn is exceedingly good at wrong-footing his opponents. He’s always good for a laugh. His capacity for humour is inexhaustible. He is amazingly good looking, kind, cordial, and generous. To say he ain’t no high-classed is just a lie.
DeleteTelvis Pricey''
Telvis, If i wasn't so wonderful I'm sure I'd blush right now.I must pick you up, however.You forgot wise and dangerously sexy.Plus, as you know, I have a fine reputation as a juggler.But I won't boast.Whatever will we do with these little 'two and three line wonders' who keep popping up like blackheads here.They seem resistant to treatment or impervious to basic instruction.I blame the Russians( or someone else who may be trending at he moment)
I have just read a story dated yesterday that police have confimed Kevin Halligen may have been murdered,or at the very least his death is unexplained.
ReplyDeleteI dont know how true it is,but interesting nonetheless.
8:57
DeleteThat comes from a well known fake news site.
It doesn't necessarily mean his death is not suspicious though.
Anonymous 18 September 2018 at 22:24
ReplyDeleteMorning, comrade
I hope you enjoyed your breakfast yesterday.
“And you think the PJ didn't pursue that ? How about SY ?”
Do you know whether or not they did?
“It's been typed onto the internet endless times yet no police deem it worthy of investigation.”
Supposing neither you nor Björn know what the police deem worthy of investigation, why should one think, in this instance, that the argument ‘for’ is closer to what is actually the case in reality than the argument ‘against’? In other words, if you both are guessing, why do you think your guess is better than Björn’s?
“He understands what it's like to have to live with the feelings of losing his daughter and not knowing if he'll ever see her again.”
You are guessing.
“That's why he wants to talk about.”
You are guessing.
“It means he thinks that defamation of character and a concerted attempt to ruin the reputation of somebody and cause them alarm and distress is immoral, illegal and wrong.”
His reputation, it can be argued, is that of a father who abandoned his children to have a good time himself.
What about Madeleine’s suffering, Yorkshire boy Simon Armitage, a poet, CBE at 47? “And so, compliant to the common wind”?
Namaste, adorable Pot.
ElioT
PS
Be glad to know
The rumour has it
Your ex has joined
Légion étrangère
PPS SA’s The Dead Sea Poems was short-listed for T. S. Eliot Prize
Sir T
DeleteWhat I am guessing at, as you suggest, is based on likelihood and probabilities.Or, to use that awful 'c' word 'common' sense. Whether you swim with the shoal and think they're part of the Rothley Coza Nostra and killed the child, or whether you dare to turn and swim against the tide and consider that they didn't do anything other than carelessly leave their children vulnerable, there is still a loss involved.A grave loss.If he felt nothing and didn't suffer, he'd be a psychopath and would have gone on a spree.As for the man of the cloth, yes, I'm guessing.Again, based on common sense. If the clown asking the infamous 48 questions wanted to know if KM had called a priest he was looking down the avenue of religion( probably confession if it was Amaral's brainstorm). Maybe he was fishing for more information about them being granted access.But if that priest was silly enough to go public crying 'betrayal' then it surely follows that it would be an avenue the police forces would want to explore.To suggest otherwise is to suggest both police forces were turning a blind eye early and both forces were under orders to cover up for the parents.How does that sit with Amaral and his team ?
My ex was thrown out of the foreign legion by the way.She was later arrested in Texas.She now runs E wing with her cell mate, Fisty McClure.
PS
Armitage apparently felt the pain of the PDL event like he feels pain everywhere.I can believe that.His misery would make an onion cry.
Legion etrangere?
DeleteDo they have a Scottish branch then?
I believe they do.It's in the Gorbals area.Pull one leg of your trousers up to your knee, remove your lipstick and mention my name.They might not let you pass, but you'll have a good night.
Delete@ Ziggy 19.19
DeleteTrousers?
I thought they all wore kilts up there?
I had an image of Tintin and the Black Island enter my head when typing that.
I somehow connect you with Tintin,dont know why.
I can just see you Ziggy in tartan kilt and Tam o shanter dancing in the Kop lol.Or is it the Jock Stein Stand? lol.
19 Sep 12:18
DeleteWhy was the PJ officer a clown for asking questions?
The Mccanns were devout Catholics (their admission)
Catholics understand extreme unction and call a priest if there is a death or imminent death in the family.
Portugal is predominantly a Catholic country and the PJ would be aware of this.
Kate wanted a prayer vigil started in Leics before midnight.
Kate wanted a priest in PDL before 1 am
Kate phoned her priest in Liverpool at 2 am
Kate phoned her friend in Yorks to start a prayer vigil by 3 am
Any copper would investigate this insistence on a priest could indicate superior knowledge of the event.
He would be failing in his duty not to do so.
Keep an open mind.
Bizarre indeed JJ that a doctor, a scientist, would look for a spiritual solution rather than a practical one. Prayer wasn't what Madeleine needed at that time, she needed as many people physically searching for her as possible. Think of how much ground the 6 athletic doctors could have covered?
DeleteKate's demands for a priest, she was put out when one wasn't immediately available in 'a Catholic country', would of course have aroused suspicion. Even the strictest Catholics would go look first, pray later.
Even to this day, the McCanns and their supporters cannot see that was odd behaviour. The same with Kate having found Madeleine missing, runs out of the apartment leaving her baby twins on their own!
They prefer to call all those who see the behaviour of these parents as suspicious, paranoid and delusional. No-one knows how the parents of a missing child should behave, they say. Err, well yeah actually, we have a good idea. Because we know what we would have done, and we have seen how devastated other parents in their situation have been. Their very few public appearances have left us in no doubt whatsoever that their hearts are breaking.
Kate McCann (madeleine) says she is not familiar with Portuguese Catholicism.
Delete“‘Don’t people in Portugal talk to priests in times of need?’ I asked Carlos. Apparently not. They only called for a priest when they wanted their sins to be forgiven. Good grief. This was definitely not the faith with which I was familiar.”
YCMIU
They call in a priest when desperate too.They believe in their God and saints.Their little girl had been abducted in a foreign country.But ok, let's go with death.That fits the context of the morbid nutters here.
Delete''I can just see you Ziggy in tartan kilt and Tam o shanter dancing in the Kop lol.Or is it the Jock Stein Stand? lol.''
DeleteI have a season ticket for The Kenny Dalglish stand ( Sir' Kenneth to you).I often wear my red and white smoking jacket and can sometimes be heard singing old sea shanties as a vocal exercise before the real shouting begins. I have a picture of Roslin Castle pinned to my headboard too. If these clues aren't enough, let me tell you, I'd type this in a tartan font if i could.
12:18, I'm not quite getting your fishy subtext, are you a fisher of men or do you work in a wet fish shop?
DeleteI remain baffled, but your 'PS' made me laugh out loud. You are not a fan of navel gazing poets I take it, ha ha. Bizarrely that is not a criticism: Some poets have the same effect on me :)
I'm a fan of poetry and of poets.I had to endure a 'performance' by Armitage in the 90s. I came out needing counselling.
DeleteStop, your killing me, rofl! Nice change to see a bit of humour from your side, you are all usually so earnest.
DeleteAnonymous 20 September 2018 at 13:38
Delete“I had to endure a 'performance' by Armitage in the 90s. I came out needing counselling.”
Feck! You poor boy… You’ve never told me. What an experience… That must’ve been awful! I’ve been puzzled, but now I understand. All is forgiven, my dear. That bloody Kermit!…
Am I right in thinking that what I smell is caviar, nor fish (Ros: “fishy subtext”)?
T
Armitage → Hermitage → hermit → Kermit
Rosalinda, Cristobell Hutton 20 September 2018 at 13:53
Delete“Stop, your killing me…”
Rosalinda, my dear, I know how you feel, but here we are: the boy is a killer! ;)
()
T
''Am I right in thinking that what I smell is caviar, nor fish (Ros: “fishy subtext”)?''
Delete'tis a plate of Hermitage crabs, comrade.£2.99 a throw at Lidl.
JJ 12 Sept 12.30
DeleteWe should never forget that Kate McCann's own Mother stated in a TV interview "I don't know why Kate asked for a priest, she isn't particularly religious".
It was all smoke and mirrors to deceive the brain dead population that she was whiter than white a good Catholic girl, going to church every week. Why should the population believe that a church going woman would do anything to harm her own child?
They've been deceiving everyone since 3rd May 2007 and still are with GM's last ditch attempt to keep them out of a court at pretending to have "mental problems".
It is my personal belief that if my daughter went missing and I had no knowledge whatsoever what happened to her, I would have no fear that any sniffer dog in the world could detect blood, bodily fluid or anything else linking myself to the crime.
ReplyDeleteMyself therefore, would not spend weeks researching sources worldwide to prove how unreliable sniffer dogs are.
What would be the point.
I would have better things to do. Like searching for my daughter and my future career.
If I were to write a book, I would ensure the examples of unreliable sniffer dogs I wrote about were true, to save looking deceitful. But why would it play on my mind to write about sniffer dogs anyway?
I would have every trust in the integrity and diligence of the investigating police and would believe them that, at best sniffer dogs are not evidence only intelligence and could not be used in a court of law but why would that be a concern in any way to me?
Would I waste my time contacting the Police Chief Constable where the dogs were based?
Whatever for. Except to inform the CC his dogs are useless as after all the dogs could not detect anything as there was nothing to detect. No I would not.
What would I, as a truly innocent person have to fear or even worry about, in the realm of detection dogs.
There are people that think the actions described as perfectly normal, many do not.
The McCanns had no fear of it either.They were as baffled by the findings( or alleged findings) as anyone.I expect that's why they ( parents) offered some explanation about Kate having been in contact with dead bodies the week before.I suppose, given what happened to poor Lindy Chamberlain years ago you'd be scared of the police, public, writers of letters and juries all being gullible again and locking an innocent parent up.
DeleteThe whole sniffer dogs debate is irritating.After 11 years. the army with a grudge won't accept that the dogs' findings were not enough to prove if there was evidence of Madeleine's body or DNA. So, it doesn't matter about writing about them in a book you might write, it's more important to read one about the area and grasping why they aren't evidence.Alternatively, you could organise an online petition demanding that the forensics to be re-examined, get the signatures online( there's loads of fools like to follow a herd) and have it raised in Parliament by your local MP.
It's easy to talk about the diligence and integrity of the police but it looks contradictory when it's embedded in an indirect accusation of a cover up that keeps the 'suspects' free.At the same time, one side of the joint investigation is saying the blood, DNA and cadaver findings aren't enough while the other side is making money out of a book suggesting they are.That's why someone being wrongly accused would want to research it.It makes perfect sense to those who give things some actual thought.How can you have faith in a joint investigation that A-failed to find your child B- failed to make an arrest and C- can't agree on what happened that night or in the forensics lab.
The bottom line is this.Whatever the dogs found or alerted to is the most chewed bone of contention.Those who desire the downfall of the middle class parents base their suspicions on press statements they've seen before which later turned out to be an interview with the culprit/s. Then they have a wealth of memories from documentary series ans novels with a 'twist'.When they see the video of the dogs and read the former detective turned crime author, Amaral, they seize it.Both hands.If it's pointed out to them that the police and detectives and forensic scientists are saying the matches aren't enough and prove nothing substantial, they refuse to loosen their grip.In this way they are calling the police liars and accusing them of a conspiracy to conceal a crime or two.But they lack the nerve to just say that.it's easier to name the parents and suggest, as mental as it seems, that they have control of and command over the police of two countries as well as politicians, PMs and the intelligence community.Yet they all lose their composure and what little reasoning capacity they had if you suggest to them that is way too silly a theory.And when they get reminded that the official stance of a joint investigation eliminates the findings of the dogs and has done for 11 years they have a bizarre reflex that closes their eyes and ears.
woof
I'm afraid that was disappointing 1934. Reductio ad absurdum. You have taken every point your have made to the point of absurdity. Let me give you an example. 'Those who desire the downfall of the middle class parents......'. Why don't you just add on 'the end of life as we know it' or 'Yoo Hoo, PLU, we need back up here, the plebs are closing in'.
DeleteI am sure, actually certain, 19:34, if it hadn't been for the dogs, this case would have closed many years ago. Operation Grange began with 30+ homicide detectives, and we all know what they investigate. I think they should have had a few forensic accountants too, but there you go.
No-one in 11+ years has put forward a theory that disproves the 11 alerts of the specialist dogs. They don't make mistakes, they certainly don't make ELEVEN mistakes. Neither police force has ever stated that they have eliminated the findings of the dogs. That my friend, is your wishful thinking.
JJ at 16:20
DeleteExcellent post.
As someone else said: "What matters is the acknowledgment of cadaver odour and the subsequent efforts to excuse the cadaver odour."
'Those who desire the downfall of the middle class parents......'. Why don't you just add on 'the end of life as we know it' or 'Yoo Hoo, PLU, we need back up here, the plebs are closing in'.
DeleteYes, very witty. How many times did you try to sell the idea that the McCanns received special protection and privileges due to their social status ?
''I am sure, actually certain, 19:34, if it hadn't been for the dogs, this case would have closed many years ago.''
It doesn't matter what you're sure of.You don't know enough. Suspicion isn't knowledge.If the dogs 'evidence' is the only reason the case wasn't closed 11 years ago, why aren't they using it for anything ?
''No-one in 11+ years has put forward a theory that disproves the 11 alerts of the specialist dogs''
When dogs find anything and it identifies a cadaver, blood, or DNA it would only be down to a defence lawyer to disprove their validity through expert witnesses.If the prosecution have that tangible evidence to produce in a court of law, all the expert witnesses in the world can't disprove it.Why hasn't that happened ?
''Neither police force has ever stated that they have eliminated the findings of the dogs. That my friend, is your wishful thinking.''
And neither have arrested anyone.The parents, however, were cleared by the PJ chief 3 times-the last one in 2017.If you think that some Dr Who character is going to invent a magic tool to use on the dogs' findings, that's wishful thinking.Don't take my word for it, check the calendar.
Anon 19 Sept 21.22
Deletere: your last paragraph
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Madeleine McCann’s parents launch fresh legal battle over police claims they faked daughter’s abduction
Lawyer confirms money from ‘Find Madeleine’ fund will be used to fight ruling that failed to clear couple in their child’s disappearance:
Sunday 19 February 2017
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-missing-abduction-parents-legal-battle-goncalo-amaral-police-claims-portugal-a7588281.html
JJ 19 September 2018 at 16:20
DeleteThanks, JJ. I can only imagine myself in such circumstances saying ‘Take me and do with me as you will’.
Regards.
T
"What matters is the acknowledgment of cadaver odour and the subsequent efforts to excuse the cadaver odour."
DeleteI concur.
Gödel
Gödel
DeleteFriedrich must be your middle name.
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Anonymous19 September 2018 at 16:07
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 19 September 2018 at 01:17
“Poor little snowflake Kate…”
I like that!
“Ask the dogs, woof, woof. They'll tell you what happened to Madeleine.”
I love dogs and I love “the dogs”. I can translate from Dog. :)
Would you mind telling me why you say that ”the dogs” can ‘tell’ what happened to Madeleine? This is not a trick question, but you might wish to think carefully about your answer should you feel like replying.
Many thanks.
T
The locations of where the Dogs alerted gives a very good indication of what transpired , Alents under moved sofas , tiles lifted and Blood found under tiles , (Nosebleeds ) alerts on Kates clothing , apparently she wore those clothes visiting six ,no less dead patients , in her holiday clothes , alerts , on a bible , alerts in a wardrobe , and alerts in a Hire car hired weeks later , now we all know the dogs are only indicators and cant be used in court , but stop trying to discredit them they dont have an axe to grind its all a game to them
Hi T
DeleteMay I also add that Kate must have had Madeleine's little "Cuddle Cat" in her hands when she visited the dead bodies in the hospital, as one of the dogs alerted for scent of death on it.
Besides, this little toy was not only contaminated with the scent of death but also smeared with sun lotion, according to Kate's own story, yet she did not do anything about that till after Madeleine had gone missing.
Then she decided to wash it, possibly twice, at least once. So during the few days Madeleine could enjoy her life in PDL, she played with a toy that smelled from death and which was also mucky from sun lotion. I know that there're people who find this quite natural and normal, some of whom are commenting her. I find it disgusting.
The dogs needed coaxing to find that toy after running past it a few times.
DeleteClothes, a bible, a wardrobe. How did it get on a bible ? Was that blood or cadaver scent ? was the scaent on her flesh ?Or did she hold the bible only when she covered her hands with a garment ? Why not wash the hands like they washed the floor tiles ? Why didn't anyone select all these items to be tested by Portugal's forensics.They do have one I take it. It's the 21st century.
DeleteAnonymous 20 September 2018 at 13:19
Delete“The dogs…”
‘The dog…’
T
Björn 20 September 2018 at 10:14
DeleteMorning, my friend
“May I also add that Kate must have had Madeleine's little "Cuddle Cat" in her hands when she visited the dead bodies in the hospital, as one of the dogs alerted for scent of death on it.”
Not necessarily. Cross-contamination perhaps?
“…this little toy was … contaminated with the scent of death…”
So it seems, but it might’ve not been the case.
“Then she decided to wash it, possibly twice, at least once. So during the few days Madeleine could enjoy her life in PDL, she played with a toy that smelled from death and which was also mucky from sun lotion. I know that there're people who find this quite natural and normal, some of whom are commenting her. I find it disgusting.”
Whilst I appreciate how you feel, I shouldn’t think the lotion on the toy is of consequence.
Many thank and kind regards to you and to Sweden.
T
Re 11:34
Delete'Many thanks...'
T
Hi T 21 September 2018 at 11:54
DeleteThanks for comment T.
Naturally, the little cuddle cat and its "mental health" should be reassessed in a larger context. After all, it constitutes just a small piece of information/evidence in a very complex jig saw of mysterious, strange and suspicious circumstances, which may display itself some day if the SY/PJ don't throw in their towels because they're too exhausted to go on fighting.
My kindest regards to you as well/Björn
Does anyone yet have any idea what to make of the Wayback machine? As I tend to believe in its accuracy and so do many others for that matter.
ReplyDelete4 September 2018
Deletehttps://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/04/wayback_machine_legit/
"Archive.org's Wayback Machine is legit legal evidence, US appeals court judges rule"
...
"The Wayback Machine works by crawling over the web with bots that automatically fetch as many pages as they can find and store it all in a searchable public database, effectively snapshotting the world's websites on a given day. For instance, if you want to see what The Register looked like in 1998, go right ahead."
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"At some point, we imagine, it will no longer be necessary for there to be a witness, and the Internet Archive will stand up as a wholly legitimate source of past online activity."
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https://web.archive.org/web/20180905122300/https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/04/wayback_machine_legit/
The police of the UK and Portugal have wayback machines.They're called files. Or do you think they should abandon them and look for hidden nuggets online posted on there years ago
Delete19 Sept. at 23:49
Delete?
I'll see your '?' and raise you a '!'
DeleteThe Wayback Machine is a valuable and accurate piece of equipment, which means Madeleine was gone at least days earlier.
DeleteIs this wayback machine an online TARDIS then.
DeleteSarcasm doesn't change its accuracy.
Delete21:34
DeleteTouché.
That's unfortunate
DeleteRe: WBM
DeleteStep forth and make your bets those who know whereof they speak!
Turing
@ 12: 10
Deleteinnit though
Björn20 September 2018 at 10:14
Delete'' toy that smelled from death and which was also mucky from sun lotion. I know that there're people who find this quite natural and normal, some of whom are commenting her. I find it disgusting.''
That's just your problem, Bjorn. Well, one of them. You 'feel' too much and 'think' too little.If you want to wax lyrical about how you have this case sewn up, give more facts and sources and less anger.I understand you're consumed by a bizarre hatred of these two people, you'd have to be bind not to see that from your posts.But that contributes nothing to the discussion and even less for your credibility of a detatched voice.The more emotional( hate) you are, the less reasonable you and your theorising sound.What you find disgusting regarding sun lotion is just odd.
When I lost my dear old Dad, I put his cushion into a plastic bag and have kept it ever since. When I open that bag and breathe his scent on that cushion I can almost imagine he is here.
DeleteWould I have taken it along to the beach and allowed it to become covered in sand and sun tan lotion - not a chance. Why didn't Kate preserve it, or even take care of it? It was precious to Madeleine, what if Madeleine had been found, would she have returned with a 'sorry it got messed up'. When four British detectives made a documentary about Madeleine's disappearance, one, Prof. Barclay, I believe, said the washing of Cuddle Cat was highly suspicious.
I don't see any anger in Bjorn's posts, but I do in yours. At the end of your rant, you refer to 'a bizarre hatred of these two people'. That 12:52 is totally illogical, yet in all these years it seems to be only argument Team McCann have. Personal hatred of Gerry and Kate.
I asked recently, why do Gerry and Kate assume people hate them. That has to be the lowest form self esteem ever. I receive a daily barrage of posts from people who really do hate me lol, but that's their problem, and indeed their loss. I know that I am adorable lol, and that's how most people treat me in the real world.
Lol, at your insinuation that Bjorn is emotion (sic)(hate), to me Bjorn reads as a scholar, an enlightened and balanced voice, that cuts through the smoke and mirrors.
Your emotional reaction, reflects the anger you feel on reading Bjorn's posts. The anger is coming from you, you are projecting. The points about Cuddle Cat and the sun lotion are relevant, though I can see why they would incense you.
If the washing of Cuddlecat was suspicious, we the public, wouldn't know anything about it in the first place.
DeleteHello Rosalinda (September 2018 at 13:28)
DeleteThanks for making it clear to those who don't see that I feel no hatred for the McCanns, but I'm so disappointed to see that there's so little progress made in the case and that the SY/Met cannot confirm whether the McCanns have been investigated or not.
I cannot understand why some people, who disagree with what I say must be so rude and cannot make the distinction between me as a person and my views on the McCanns.
T, for example doesn't always agree to what I say. Still he's everthing but rude.
''I don't see any anger in Bjorn's posts, but I do in yours. At the end of your rant, you refer to 'a bizarre hatred of these two people'. That 12:52 is totally illogical, ''
DeleteBjorn uses different words to do nothing more than repeat you.He has accused the McCanns of endless tricks and crimes without anything to support his argument.When I-and others used to- ask him to come forward with a source or a link, he falls silent.His accusations and the tone he adopts to articulate them all spell anger and hatred.He speaks as though he is a frequent fly on the wall in the McCann home.He speaks as though he knows them intimately. All guesswork and opinions and illogical.Once he starts providing a source or to he'll have some credibility at least.Until then, you and possibly one or two( at best) accusers of the McCanns are the only ones who entertain anything at all that he tries to sell here.Read back-you'll see that.
''Lol, at your insinuation that Bjorn is emotion (sic)(hate), to me Bjorn reads as a scholar, an enlightened and balanced voice, that cuts through the smoke and mirrors''
He's your echo.See above.Scholars always cite a source and avoid emotive language.Do you not see that only you praise his supposed insight and intellect and that it's only you he echoes ? Everyone else can see it...
''Your emotional reaction, reflects the anger you feel on reading Bjorn's posts. The anger is coming from you, you are projecting.''
And you're trying to teach your granny to suck eggs.You're not seeing anger coming from me regarding Bjorns poisonous posts, you're reading my disgust at him and his refusal to back anything up anything he says. He's chosen two parents who had their child stolen( official state of play until further notice) and decided to assassinate their character and slander their names.He refuses to spit the same venom at the authorities that have arranged their liberty and innocence though- why's that ? He has opinions and nothing more.They're all about the parents being guilty of causing the death of their child either deliberately or by accident and of hiding her corpse.He has the arrogance to ignore all other arguments in more than a superficial way.His writing suggests he is enjoying what he's doing.He's getting pleasure from the safety of his computer as he unleashes his unsubstantiated, unimaginative acid. Scholar ? Let's get real.
16:27
Delete'We the public' would know about the washing of Cuddle Cat if someone witnessed the washing/drying.
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13 September 2007
'Kate washed the Cuddle Cat five days after Madeleine went missing [8 May] saying it was smeared with sand and sun cream.
Gerry's sister Philomena said it was cleaned again two months ago [13 July] because it was filthy after being carried around.
Police sources questioned Kate's decision to wash the toy so soon after Madeleine's standby to receive fresh samples.
Police sources questioned Kate's decision to wash the toy so soon. A former Scotland Yard detective said: "It's the last thing I'd expect a mother who is devastated at losing her child to do."'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-want-mccanns-diary-and-laptop-505602
By Tracey Kandohla
ReplyDelete19th September 2018
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7299658/madeleine-mccann-supporters-call-for-kate-and-gerry-to-get-more-cash-to-find-missing-girl/
'Kellie Howe posted this week on the official Find Maddie Facebook page, endorsed by her parents: "Fingers crossed the new Home Secretary backs us the way Theresa May has.
"You cannot put a price on her life. There should never be a limit where they say ‘too much money has been spent.’
“She is priceless and just as Gerry said in May 2007 ‘We will leave no stone unturned.’
“Hoping this is our last round of funding because it is the round that brings Madeleine home to where she belongs.”
Denise Wynne added: “Be safe and come home dear sweet Madeleine. There is hope and faith that you will someday return to your family who are never going to stop looking for you.
"It was such a cruel thing that happened when you were kidnapped.”'
(...)
'Charlotte Metcalf enthused: “It would be one of the best days of my life when Madeleine is found. I think of her often and pray that God is looking after her no matter the circumstances.”
Suzi Kerslake added: “Never give up on you Maddie you are out there somewhere. We all want you hone[sic] safe and with your family.”'
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Four names and an unnamed "source close to the family".
I'm actually finding the pretence that Madeleine will be safely returned to her family nauseating. As too the assumption that she will be exactly as was, before being held in a basement dungeon or enslaved by child sex traffickers for 11+ years.
DeleteSadly, those are the most likely fates for a live Madeleine as she has not seen health professional or gone to school. A child of 3/4 cannot just blend into a new community, she would know for example, that the parents presenting her were not her real parents.
Those sources speaking on behalf of the McCanns (why can't they speak for themselves?)sound delusional, but I guess they are saying what the parents would say if they were brave enough. If the police say Madeleine is dead, and the parents say Madeleine is alive, you can see why they use 'sources'.
Anonymous19 September 2018 at 19:34
ReplyDeleteThe McCanns had no fear of it either.They were as baffled by the findings( or alleged findings) as anyone.I expect that's why they ( parents) offered some explanation about Kate having been in contact with dead bodies the week before.I
But the story leaked out about Kate being around six dead bodies , in her holiday Clothes was was proved to be false her own practice said so , there seems to be an awful to of Coincidences around the couple woof woof indeed the dogs have no agenda , but i would not get on a aircraft if one alerted to a bag , and the Grenfel victims are grateful fot the dogs alerting to the spot where there loved ones died when there was only fragments of the victims left .
Ziggy maybe right when he says there is not enough evidence.
DeleteBut let's be honest here,there are a hell of a lot of coincidences and contradictions.
Something doesn't add up and on the balance of probabilities the parents at the very least know more than they are letting on.
You cannot have so many oddities in my view in a single case and it all to be above board.It goes against the laws of averages and common sense.
I suspect the parents are under official orders to remain silent as the case is a matter of national security which may involve VIPs from a another friendly country.
I have no evidence for that,just a gut feeling.
If I'm right or even in the right area,then as I have said before,we wont be finding out about it any time soon. 100 years or even never.
''Ziggy maybe right when he says there is not enough evidence.''
DeleteI am right.The police back that up or else there would have been a resolution.Those who believe the parents are guilty of killing or hiding there child's body are accusing all the detectives of colluding with their superiors to cover it up.
''Something doesn't add up and on the balance of probabilities the parents at the very least know more than they are letting on''
That's a guess though.It's also indirectly accusing the parents of being guilty.
''You cannot have so many oddities in my view in a single case and it all to be above board.It goes against the laws of averages and common sense''
Consider this.The 'evidence' loved so dearly by the internet police( dogs/dna/statements/blood etc) may well have been dismissed as unreliable by the police.That could, as the online detective agency states, be offered as evidence of a concerted effort to conceal not only the crime but the perpetrator of that crime.That doesn't mean that the perpetrator /s is, or was, a parent.It just means he, she or they have been protected. Obviously that rouses suspicion and the knee - jerk reaction would be to suspect the parents.That leaves the two major theories ; an abduction ; the parents were responsible and lied.Both have kept all eyes on those two possibilities, thus eliminating a third- the real abductor who had enough leverage to alert politicians fast then, further, alert said politicians to call in the UK intelligence ( to a police matter ?)as there was a perceived potential threat to our(UK) national security( that's why have the so called intel community).This could also explain why the parents were given the Governments own man to control output and SY were sent in to bulldoze the PJ progress.It would also explain the endless funding and support.It's a sort of compensation to the parents because they've been left as one of the two decoy theories.
''If I'm right or even in the right area,then as I have said before,we wont be finding out about it any time soon. 100 years or even never.''
That's a guarantee.The outside horse at 100-1 would be the usual post mortem 'shock' news of some respected politician being involved in something horrible with a minor.
@ Ziggy
DeleteI am in basic agreement with you,but where I differ is,the parents know what happened.
They didn't 'do it' and are following instructions to say nothing under the official secrets act.
As I believe they know however,that for me makes, them not entirely innocent.
All a guess by the way.
And I thought I was a commitment phobe 14:28, lol.
DeleteDo you understand how deceitful these parents have been if they 'know' but have been insisting their daughter is alive and findable? And from an emotional perspective, how on earth could any parent cover up what happened to their child?
I don't think there is any half way stage here 14:28, they were either involved, or they weren't.
@ Ros
DeleteIf the UK government ordered you under the official secrets act to do or not do something,would you go against that 'advice'?
Finally Ziggy, I have an idea of what you are getting at. So you believe the 'real' abductor, immediately contacted Whitehall (in the middle of the night) and set in motion a government cover up.
DeleteSo who is this VIP who suddenly decided to 'break into' a holiday apartment and steal a child? Presumably someone who bears a close resemblance to Gerry, which rules Clement Freud and Sir Cliff Richard. Sir Cliff looks good it must be said, but not 30/40 years younger.
Who has the kind of power to say 'look, I just broke into an apartment and killed a child, I'm going to need the full support of the government and secret services to cover it up'. I just don't see it Ziggy. No-one is that important, and if they were, what were they doing wandering around the streets of PDL?
I'm not Ziggy.btw
DeleteThey dont have to be a VIP from the UK.
If international relations were at stake,especially from a very friendly country,then anything is possible to not disrupt them.
''So you believe the 'real' abductor, immediately contacted Whitehall (in the middle of the night) and set in motion a government cover up....So who is this VIP who suddenly decided to 'break into' a holiday apartment and steal a child? ''
DeleteI've stated before, and answered when asked, I don't believe any VIP would risk doing anything like it.They have underlings, minions or gangsters who'll do the heavy lifting so to speak.In this case we can call it a procurer.None of the historical cases of VIPs and children involved a VIP going looking or chasing.They had them delivered.None of them could have been pointed at by Joe Public back in the day.They were all just stuffy, boring politicians who occasionally appeared on the TV screen to lie about things or bore us.We had no reason to suspect anything else.But we know a lot better now don't we...
I don't know who he'd resemble.I know the Gerry lookalike comes from the same area of the Smith sighting or the Murat mother's sighting( passing car on street ).Gerry fits a very common generic 40 something European / Caucasian male; average height, build medium mousey hair pale complexion.There's millions of him in the UK/France/Germany/Finland etc.I don't believe whoever took Madeleine walked further than the kerb where a car was waiting.You don't go walkabout with an unconscious( or dead) child if the stakes are high.If there's a VIP involved the stakes are high; if it's a parent off to bury a damaged or dead child they're even higher( self preservation).The public aren't blind or predictable.
''Who has the kind of power to say 'look, I just broke into an apartment and killed a child, I'm going to need the full support of the government and secret services to cover it up'.''
Or who would want a dead child ? If anyone broke in to steal her and it went wrong they'd be on their toes sharpish. Carrying a corpse isn't going to aid your speed.Why would you need a corpse ? Was there a corpse ? The police are determined to say otherwise-why would they do that ? It would have been quicker, cheaper and more efficient to make arrests rather than protect two killers.Why protect ?Only politicians would alert secret services and they'd need a good reason.
Hello, anon Anon 20 September 2018 at 16:14
Delete"Gerry fits a very common generic 40 something European / Caucasian male; average height, build medium mousey hair pale complexion" Yes he does!
"There's millions of him in the UK/France/Germany/Finland etc"
Yes, but only one of him in PDL that night, who hasn't an alibi for the time when the Smiths spotted him.
''Yes, but only one of him in PDL that night, who hasn't an alibi for the time when the Smiths spotted him.''
DeleteSmith should be arrested for perverting the course of justice or perjury according to your obsession with him identifying Gerry.He changed his mind and was never more than 80% sure as it was dark and they weren't studying him.There's a large UK ex pat community there and there's a lot of Caucasian males that look like the description of GM.Add to that some beer and a dark night and that's the open and closed case(and mind) of Bjorn. You're desperate as usual.Nothing you say makes sense and you never-ever- provide sources as all you do is spit out your accusations disguised as opinions.You let the blog down.
Anonymous20 September 2018 at 16:06
Delete''I'm not Ziggy.btw
They dont have to be a VIP from the UK.
If international relations were at stake,especially from a very friendly country,then anything is possible to not disrupt them.''
I'm Ziggy. I wondered about the so called great relationship between the UK and Portugal? No disrespect to Portugal, but the UK are allies of the US and always join in their genocidal breaks if the oil needs topping up or the opium.Portugal haven't got a history of such. But then, not long before 2007 Portugal played host to Bush and Blair as they stared into each others eyes and played footsie under the table and planned an illegal war in Iraq.
https://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-confirms-barroso/a-1273618
Where are they now.....;-)
You sure it was him and not someone else wearing Gerry's distintive button trousers as a decoy while the real Gerry was being seen elsewhere by multiple witnesses?
DeleteAnd yes I have raised this idea before just as no doubt I will raise the diplomatic bag again in the future
Incidently Celtic are playing Rosenborg at the moment.Might be of interest to you Bjorn.
Hello Anon 20 September 2018 at 19:52
Delete"There's a large UK ex pat community there and there's a lot of Caucasian males that look like the description of GM", you say and you may be right.
All of them must by now be very familiar with the case, as it's the case of the century. However, none of them, but the innocent Dr Totman remembers having carried a sleeping child around in PDL that night,and there's nothing in the pj files suggesting that Madeleine has been taken by a stranger, let alone by someone who've been hiding inside the British ex pat community in PDL.
Hello anon 20 September 2018 at 20:17
Delete"Incidently Celtic are playing Rosenborg at the moment.Might be of interest to you Bjorn"
Thanks for reminding me.
Many Swedish players have played in the Rosenborg BK,but not at the moment I think. However, it's a Norwegian team as you know, our closest neighbour.
Still I'm more of a Celtic fan,as I so well remember the glorious time and the success, when our Swedish Henrik Larsson played for them.
If I were ordered to keep silent about the death/disappearance of my child would I disobey the Official Secrets Act. Hell yeah! If someone harmed my child I would kill them with my bare hands and shout their names from the roof tops!
DeleteBut they didn't keep silent did they? In fact they were the opposite of silent. They launched the biggest 'search' for a missing child ever seen. Why would they do that if they were bound by the Official Secrets Act? Why have they kept up the pretence that Madeleine is missing if they know otherwise? Why are they deceiving people?
Your theory doesn't make them innocent 14:45, it makes them sound even more deceptive.
@ Ros
DeleteI would hope you possess a very good lucky charm then and you're not accident prone.
Is that some kind of threat 14:35? Or am going to be assassinated by 007 because I wouldn't keep quiet if my child were 'disappeared' by the government?
DeleteDo you think the McCanns have been living with this threat for 11+ years? Even though they have been given every public platform to plead their case?
Seems you are really scraping the barrel at the moment 14:35, what may have sounded reasonable in your head or in the company of like minded companions, is quickly disassembled on here! Keep trying though, my post box is going through the roof, lol. Maybe there is something in the air.
@ Ros
DeleteNo threat at all.
I'm just being realistic.And I was talking about a hypothectical situation anyway.
It's not just the Russians that are at it, all governments are.
There have been countless strange deaths of people who are a liabilty or embarrassment.
One not too long ago killed him self with a pen knife and a couple of paracetamol tabs or aspirin whatever it was.There was also an even more recent case that that.
I am not exactly a government or establishment supporter,quite the reverse even,but if I was taken aside by some suits and given a quiet word in my ear, I think I would go along with it,no matter the cost to me.
Come the crunch I think most/all would.
Are you all so bored with your own lives that you have to resort to this constant attack on parents who have lost their child?
ReplyDeleteReally?
None of you have any evidence. It’s just entertainment for you.
Anonymous 19 September at 22:14
DeleteECHR - Video on the admissibility conditions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcbDDhs5ZVA
Anon @ 22:14
DeleteQuit reading then if it causes such pain.
Anonymous19 September 2018 at 22:14
Delete''Are you all so bored with your own lives..'' ( and so on)
What is worse I wonder. Discussing one of the most controversial crimes and subsequent investigation in recent memory and questioning it's lack of progress, or, coming on line everyday to ask people nothing more than why they come on line ?
Well said 13:41, and quite possibly the 'Crime of the Century'. We can only imagine the gossip (unreported) when the Lindbergh baby went missing. And I am sure people of certain age can remember as clearly as I, how gripped the public were the OJ Simpson trial. Were those who disbelieved OJ paranoid and delusional? How about those who don't believe Amanda Knox or Oscar Pistorius? Do they have something wrong with them? An obsessive hatred of Amanda and Oscar's good looks and success perhaps?
DeleteI remember many years ago telling my psychiatrist how worried I was at my obsessive interest in the Madeleine case and my addiction to talking about it online. He laughed. Quite literally, and told me chatting online was the 21st century equivalent of chatting over the garden fence. That I had an 'interest' was a positive, when you are in the danger zone of clinical depression, you have no interest in anything. And sadly, there are times I have been there too.
I beat myself up constantly for being obsessive compulsive. That is, once I take up a new interest, I cannot stop until I know everything there is to know about it. It is this OCD, that prevents me from committing to anything. I know that once I take a subject up, I will not put it down until my curiosity is completely satisfied. I'm presently learning to knit (I am to be a grandmother :)), and I am stuck at the blood, sweat and tears stage!
I have made 5 attempts to knit a 'perfect' back for a baby sweater. I get so far then make a stupid error and have to start all over again. I watch the divine Ruby Steadman (knitter extraordinare) over and over, even in my head I repeat 'one purl, yarn over, two together) with a Spanish accent! In my arrogance I tuned out to her explanation on what to do if you drop a stich or do two together without a 'yarn over', ergo I had to abandon all my previous attempts and start again.
Well I don't know how I got onto knitting there, lol, perhaps to illustrate, that once I commit, I never give up.
Your argument sounds morally superior 22:14, but it really isn't. If they are found to be involved in their daughter's disappearance, it would be like saying Oscar lost a girlfriend and Amanda Knox lost a flat mate. Or claiming to be an orphan because you have just killed your parents.
DeleteThe McCanns believe they should be treated sympathetically because of their loss while refusing to accept any responsibility for what happened to her. It is their lack of remorse that makes them so off putting.
The McCanns have had 11+ years to fix their reputations. And they could so easily have done so, using their celebrity to highlight good causes. They could have created a Memorial for Madeleine or donated fund money to living breathing children who desperately need funding now.
Sitting on that £750k or thereabouts, is distasteful. The McCanns told donors that anything remaining in the Fund would be handed to children's charities. But of course, the objectives of the Fund were drawn up by lawyers, and it is quite clear, nothing will be given to anyone until Madeleine is found AND her abductor brought to justice. Their claim to use the Fund to continue the Search after OG have given up, is staggering. It screams, we don't believe what the police have told us.
Your attempts to shut down, or redirect, the discussion are admirable in their own way 22:14. But, as I point out often, the McCanns have always had it within their power to change public opinion of them. A bit like the ruby slippers and a lesson we should all learn before our age reaches double figures.
We alone are responsible for EVERYthing that happens to us. Once that sinks in we are on the way to enlightenment. The shit job, the lousy partner, the disrespect, tick, tick, tick, all your own fault! Results of choices you have made. It's a bit of a bummer when it dawns on you, but you will be rewarded with taking back control.
Those who blame others for their misfortunes, the crap they have to read on here, lol, the failure of Goncalo Amaral and the PJ to find your missing child, the trolls on social media, the audacity of the media and the public to disbelieve your word. Gerry and Kate ALWAYS blame others. Their world is full of 'if onlys', if only GA and the PJ focussed on the 'abductor' rather than the parents, if only the Law Lords would pass legislation making it illegal for anyone to speak ill of The Family.
Those who blame others are never happy, not ever, because they cannot control the actions or words of others. It is beyond their power and always will be. The only power they have is over the way they react to other people, that's all down to them.
You mention a few headliner cases there...
DeleteThe Lindbergh baby case ? The executed man was a patsy. That's my opinion. America wept for their all American, apple pie son of a gun. Nobody questioned him.But how many are aware of his reputed sick humour, or his passion for eugenics ? And how many since have questioned why his descendants removed items of clothing from the Museum when it was suggested that DNA testing could shed new light on the case.
OJ ? He was another all American son of a gun.A sporting hero turned Hollywood hero taboot.He would probably have been cleared even if he was found committing the act on camera and by 5 police officers.It's Amaerica.Scandal and a good show are valued more than real life there.But what about Glen Rogers ? Could it be that he was hired for the hit and OJ went over to pick him up or cancel it ? At least these cases mentioned had substantial tangible evidence to use in a trial.
Osacr Pistorious ? A handsome young hero who overcame adversity to become a physically handicapped Olympic hero and win the heart of a beautiful supermodel.Nobody was interested in his mere mortal flaws such as his anger problems and insecurities and jealousy.But, again, there were various pieces of tangible evidence and bullets from his gun and his admission of firing the gun that helped that case come to court.
Opinions and personal bias don't count in cases where enough facts are present and enough evidence.Evidence doesn't have an agenda or hold grudges.It just tells the truth.
With regard to chatting over the digital garden fence, it's true.But it has to be said that chatting over a real garden fence is different in an important way.In your garden you control what you say and who you say it about for reasons of social norms, shame or possible consequences.Over the digital garden fence you can be as outrageous or obscene or malicious as you like.Nobody can see or hear you.Also. you have to ask how long you'd stand in your garden chatting compared to on your computer....
Be aware where passion ends and OCD begins.There's nothing wrong with tenacity.But always remain open to things coming from left or right field .Remember, you're looking for answers, not looking for evidence that you were right all along.That might turn out to be right but look at that as a small personal victory.
I can't say anything about knitting.I've had a gorgeous grandson for two years now.I find shops are quicker and easier.They still look and act amazing and they never care who made what.They just think you're cool for bringing it :-)
Err, I think OJ revealed his true character in the years that followed. And he did eventually end up in prison, karma caught up with him.
DeleteI did intend to make a few comments myself on the garden fence comparison, similar to your own in fact. Garden fence, and indeed water cooler chats were not available for public consumption.
You say no-one questioned Lindberg. Err, yeah they did, true they did not have the global exposure of the internet, but the missing baby was big news, and all sorts of theories were put forward, including the involvement of the father.
A little patronising of you to point out my need to examine all angles. That is something I have always done. In fact, I did ponder for a while, if the corner location of the McCann's apartment had been too opportune for a passing predator.
Believe me, it would be an enormous relief to discover that the parents were not involved, it may go some way to restoring my faith in human nature. And yes, I would be happy to write grovelling letters of apology.
But I'm a bit with Madeleine's abduction as I am with the existence of God. That is, show me the proof. I am forever astonished that people can believe in things they cannot see. My refusal to believe in God got me quite a few wallops, but it made no difference, it just made me all the more rebellious.
Your efforts to wear me down and just accept the parents were not involved are nothing if not tenacious. What a shame you don't put those efforts into persuading us to see the Madeleine case as you see it.
You believe the parents, without question, why? Replying with 'there's no evidence' only sounds suspicious. What are the real reasons that you believe Gerry, Kate and the Tapas group?
I think you'll find that it was a combination of a hidden microphone, CCTV and the police that caught up with him , not karma..
DeleteI'm not trying to wear you or anyone down.I'm merely trying to point out that there is no evidence to support the general consensus.Therefore, there's no real reason to accuse the parents.There's no evidence we know of to pin anything on anyone.I find it insane that so much money and time would go into pretending to investigate a missing child and involve PMs and MPs and MI5. I'd understand it if the child was the child of a politician or Royal or of the parents were previously known to work in politics or rub shoulders with the elite.But they are just doctors on holiday.What would it cost the UK or the UK politicians to just arrest them and charge them ? Why would they lie about all the alleged findings( dogs/blood) ? Why would they invent 'sightings' and 'leads' nobody has believed for 10 years ?If there was typical funds spent, no politicians, no joint investigation and no military intelligence involved and it was just a police case, I'd see things as many others would.But then I believe that it would have been closed 10 years ago if that was the case.
''You believe the parents, without question, why? Replying with 'there's no evidence' only sounds suspicious. What are the real reasons that you believe Gerry, Kate and the Tapas group?''
When it all happened, I was just as everyone else.I saw the now famous little impish Madeleine face on the screen and the Everton shirt and felt sick in my stomach that she'd been taken away.If we're all honest, when we see that on the TV news we all fear the worst and it's almost always that some pervert's got a child( why else would an adult take a child?) and once he or she has satisfied it's desire that poor child won't be back.That's almost always the scenario.After a week I'd stopped believing anything other than she wasn't coming back-again, the odds say so.It faded from my mind as i had other things to do.Then, while looking at things online i noticed it kept coming up.A friend told me about the infamous 'no comment' Q n A session.Then about the dogs.And then about political involvement.They were the big 3 ( as they still are).I wanted to know why, if three such huge red flags were waving, nobody had been charged.The involvement of politicians and MI alerted my 'spidey senses'. This was a police matter for Portugal as i saw it.The UK could offer them help should they require any.But it became a political cover up and the politicians were doing more than any policemen were but they were doing it through the media and their media spokesman( who was pretending to be the McCann spokesman).No victims of a crime have ever received a media monitor and spokesman to guard them ever.Again, politics was behind it.Every interview, every word, every strategy was composed, produced and directed by the politician's man- Mitchell.And the friend of all major MPs and PMs( Sky / Mail) had their 'front man' too- Brunt, the Freud and Murdoch puppet.For two holidaymakers who lost a child ? I don't buy that.Only because it's never happened before and it has nothing to do with politicians- allegedly.
Before I point the finger back at the parents I need to see evidence. Not necessarily evidence of guilt, but evidence of the parents holding so much sway in the corridors of power ?What do they have over somebody powerful ? It would have to be a hell of a secret for them to be able to call a PM and say ''make this go away or something is going public you'd rather didn't''. How else could they command the police, forensics, PM, MI,and a number of Home Secretaries to jump and do as they say. That's what you have to believe if you want to blame the parents and explain all the inadmissible evidence.
In defence of my knitting. I let you get away with that one 16:20. I happen to find hand made items absolutely charming, and in my sentimental old head, more precious than an item that is quick and easy to buy. And happily, new borns are not fashion conscious, but even if they were, you can't beat handmade and bespoke!
DeleteApart from that, I am finding it tremendously relaxing (apart from the blood, sweat and tears), that is while I concentrate on purl one, yarn over and two together, I keep the other mental demons at bay. I also think it may be good for my carpal tunnel, but I am scared to google it, in case it says no, stop immediately!
Knitting also appeals to the creative in me, the idea that with a ball of yarn and two knitting needles, I can make something beautiful. Theoretically, lol, but I will persevere until I do.
Thank you for your considered reply which I have read carefully 18:57.
DeleteI believe there was political interference, and I have explained this many times before. However, pointing the finger at Clarence Mitchell as the 'government arm' doesn't work. He actually switched employers while in PDL, and began to work for the McCanns directly, with payment coming from the Fund, or a billionaire donor. He ceased being a government employee. Now, did he walk, or was he pushed? It matters. If the government approved of what CM was doing, then why didn't they continue to pay him?
I think I've said this before. When you work for a political party, it isn't much different than working for the secret service, The MoD, or the mafia.You may 'leave' or retire, but you don't fully leave.It's a bit Hotel California.Ex mob members stay loyal and they pay if they don't.Clarence's loyalty is always for sale.He was once loyal to Labour.Eventually he was loyal to the Tories.Did he truly have an epiphany on the road to Westminster and rethink his ideologies ? Of course not. In between he was one of BBC's bitches.All along this timeline he maintained a personal and working relationship with Freud Communications / Daily Mail.
DeleteHe likes to consider himself a sort of media 'fireman' ( his description). That is, he's called in immediately to the major headline stories( yes, Clarence, of course.Because there's no journalists in the Uk is there-just you).What I've believed is simple really.He was called in at short notice to leave a comfortable well paid position in Whitehall to 'look after' the McCanns( or, as i think- look after the perception of the case).Common sense tells me that if I'd have been in his position I'd have asked some simple questions. 1- what's wrong with the police providing a family liaison officer. 2- It's a police matter in Portugal-what can we, or I, do.3- It's a missing child case, they get solved, sadly or successfully after about 2 weeks-what do I do after that ? 4- Can you guarantee that this job will last for months or years before i step down from my current job-if you can, how can you ? What transpired soon after suggests that he was given those guarantees.So, he took off his politicians hat and put his media hat on instead-thus looking like Clarence the reporter but not Clarence the politician.So there we had it, hidden in plain sight-the Government man controlling it all but never being questioned because he'd changed his hat.Let us not forget, the media is the propaganda arm of the Government.It's purpose is to shape public perception and engineer change beneficial to itself and it's friends and members.It just looks like a news outlet at first glance only.
As for the billionaire.Does he have a name-if not why not.Could it be a reticent philanthropist ? Or could it be a media mogul or political party ? it's convenient for a generous public spirited billionaires to remain 'background' isn't it. We can all admire whoever it is if we buy the narrative without proof.So, the Government aren't ostensibly paying him and he is ostensibly a media man.I don't believe any of it as politicians, media moguls and PR firms get rich through duplicity and concealing crime. I don't know and can't guess how much CM knows or if he's been told the whole truth.But his 15 hours a day 'meetings' with the parents seem a bit overboard. If an abduction took place how much could be discussed in a series of 15 hour meetings unless it was an abduction that doesn't compare with any other.An abduction involving dangerous ransoms or threats to high rankers.
https://www.jbp.co.uk/team-member/clarence-mitchell/
https://www.prweek.com/article/769746/profile-clarence-mitchell-spokesman-mccann-family
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/18/madeleine-mccann-family-spokesman-launches-pr-agency
Ros 21 Sept 14.30
DeleteClarence Mitchell started working for Freud Communications in September 2008 as well as still being spokesman for the McCanns:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/sep/02/marketingandpr.madeleinemccann
"Keep it in the family" comes to mind and keep your ear to the ground for the rumbles going on under the surface among the press.
Quite a coincidence really. So many coincidences in the disappearance of Madeleine, it makes one's mind boggle.
"Unoriginality & Simon Armitage"
ReplyDelete(...)
"The blurb to this book claims 'Language is on the loose in these poems, which cut and run across the parterre of poetic decorum with their cartoon-strip energies and air of misrule. Armitage creates world after world, peculiar yet always particular, where the only certainty is the unexpected.'
Compared with the energy and surprise that masters of this form can achieve (see for example the wonderful American poet Daniel Borzutzky), this seems extravagant nonsense. Maybe Armitage's so-so collection will impress British audiences, who are simply unaware of the richness of material available elsewhere. However, the internet makes this no excuse. I would recommend checking Borzutky's incredible collection The Ecstasy of Capitulation (BlazeVox, 2007) for a demonstration."
https://www.stridemagazine.co.uk/Stride%20mag2010/May%202010/Armitage%20review.htm
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https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/53803/the-ecstasy-of-capitulation
''The article is written of course by McCann superfan Tracy Kandhola ''
ReplyDeleteIs this a new thing, Ros ? Anyone who doesn't believe what you believe about the parents is a 'superfan' ? Very mature.
'UK media accused of trailing fake McCann stories to “pressure the European Court”'
ReplyDeletehttp://portugalresident.com/uk-media-accused-of-trailing-fake-mccann-stories-to-%E2%80%9Cpressure-the-european-court%E2%80%9D
Hi Ros,
ReplyDeleteAs you noted earlier, this case may well be the "Crime of the century".
I interpret this not so much for the killing of a child but for the intricately staged cover up.
The killing or disappearance of children happens world wide without much fanfare. - But in this case, to keep your mouth shut and tell the police to prove it - just like any loving parent would do does not pass the test.
Refuse a reconstruction, deny the Dogs, destroy your cell phone records, access library books about the ineffectiveness of tracker dogs. So creepy.
(On a bleaker unrelated note, millions of unborn but very much living and kicking children in the womb are put to death in "Christian" America and Europe each year and nobody blinks an eye.)
But let's not paint the McCanns in that last milieu.
The two doctors McCann are masters of the coverup, - never officially accused of anything. But at this stage you would think they'd know their story was unraveling.
I wonder, if like O J Simpson they will end up writing their very own version of his book called "I did it". - the way OJ (or his ghostwriters) did.
For OJ, he was safe, you can never be retried for the same crime. (Law enforcement nailed him in the end for breaking into an apartment with a weapon to retrieve allegedly stolen souvenirs) The FBI must have been waiting for a golden opportunity - and they got it.
Hopefully the Portuguese police can produce enough evidence to prosecute with or without the help of the highly suspicious Operation Grange.
jc
'' in this case, to keep your mouth shut and tell the police to prove it''
DeleteHell of a trick. Could only happen in your world jc. Don't tell us, the police are looking for a globetrotting ventriloquist.
Your list of things the two police forces have ignored :
DeleteRefusal of the parents to stage a reconstruction;the evidence found by the dogs; the destruction of phone records ;Murder. That's a hell of a list. Your conclusion :
''The two doctors McCann are masters of the coverup''
Brilliant. Nothing to do with either complete incompetence of the joint police force then, or their decision to ignore one red flag after another.It was the McCanns.
''I wonder, if like O J Simpson they will end up writing their very own version of his book called "I did it". - the way OJ (or his ghostwriters) did.''
Or they could write their version of the actual book he wrote called '' if i did it'' ( you really should do the work jc, it's the least you could do if you can't provide a source for anything you claim...)
''For OJ, he was safe, you can never be retried for the same crime''
He was found not guilty.The police and prosecution counsel had more than enough time and evidence to nail him.
''Hopefully the Portuguese police can produce enough evidence to prosecute with or without the help of the highly suspicious Operation Grange''
Og was brought in because they couldn't manage that after years of supposedly investigating it.OG reviewed / investigated to see if anything had been overlooked( apparently) and still haven't improved on the investigation's pace or progress.Guess how big a chance of thee is of a prosecution now.The longer it goes on the further away a resolution looks.That's logic.
Zig zag @ 22;28 wrote.
ReplyDeleteOg was brought in because they couldn't manage that after years of supposedly investigating it.OG reviewed / investigated to see if anything had been overlooked( apparently) and still haven't improved on the investigation's pace or progress.Guess how big a chance of thee is of a prosecution now.The longer it goes on the further away a resolution looks.That's logic.
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The PJ archived after a year in 2008,reopened again in 2011 along with OG, where are the years investigating it?
Lol Zig Zag
DeleteAdd that to the poll.
There should be another category too.
H = Scottish
lol
I propose a Bennett type poll.
ReplyDeleteWhat is Ziggy Sawdust, Ziggy, The Zigmeister, The Zigster, Mr Sawdust, VT, Soredust and Anonymous, or whatever you want to call him?
Is he
A = troll doing it for fun
B = Intelligence Asset
C = Member of the McCann family
D = On the McCann payroll
E = Gullible member of the public
F = An idiot
G = Someone with a genuine alternative theory.
Please Vote.
All of them.
DeleteI think he's somebody who has followed the McCann case and posts his opinions about it and upsets people like you as you can't accept his common sense questions.Worse, you can't answer them or take his arguments apart so you try to incite childish bad feelings toward him. You use this kind of arena as though it's the school playground and you want to start a little 'gang'.You're displaying immaturity but nothing else. Try challenging him with your own logical arguments and tell him where he's wrong. Did somebody mention 'blogger clogger' recently ? It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with Ziggy. He makes topics far more interesting by adding another side or layer to them.What's your own contribution ? Grow up.
DeleteH = Someone with a genuine alternative mindset.
Delete@12:14
DeleteH sounds right.
@ 10:31
DeleteYou forgot Zesus
@ 10:31
DeleteYou forgot Mark ###### (surname withheld for privacy reasons)
What I don't understand is if Tony Bennett is trying so desperately to muddy the waters on behalf of the McCanns as Ben Thompson obsessively claims, why does he only bother to tweet on one McCann hashtag which seems to have less than about 20 regular tweeters anyway? There are other McCann tags he could include to widen the microscopic audience who actually read what is said about this case on Twitter (microscopic by comparison to the general population I mean).
ReplyDeletePerhaps it would be better if you went to his site/forum and asked him.
DeleteHe tweets on #McCann the same as Ros.
Deletehttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45602193
ReplyDelete'Peggy Knobloch went missing in 2001 on her way home from school in Bavaria. Her remains were only found in 2016.
Manuel S denies killing Peggy, telling police he took her body from another man, then buried her in nearby woods.
He has not been charged so far but is being investigated for murder, prosecutors said Friday.
One man served jail time for Peggy's murder but was later acquitted in a retrial.'
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'The latest breakthrough in the case comes a week after police raided Manuel S's home.
In his confession to police, the 41-year-old said another man directed him to Peggy's lifeless body at a bus stop in her hometown of Lichtenberg.
After failing to revive her, the then 24-year-old wrapped her in a red blanket and drove her into a nearby forest. A few days later, he burned her satchel and jacket at home.
Prosecutors told reporters that the suspect had been released, as "there was no immediate suspicion". They confirmed Manuel S had named the other man at the bus stop.'
Is this a new trend now ? Refer to some random children that have tragically been murdered and dumped and slip it into a conversation about Madeleine McCann ? Subtle. Twisted too.
Deletehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6192905/German-police-question-suspect-girls-2001-disappearance.html
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She's NOT the 'German Madeleine McCann'. Her name is Peggy Knobloch and her disappearance was nothing like that of Maddie McCann.