Thursday, 12 February 2015

A FEMINIST ISSUE

Yesterday I went on a feminist rant having misread Blacksmith's blog and I unfairly lumped him in with the white, middle aged, middle class white men who run the way in which the missing Madeleine McCann case is reported and commented on in the media and on social networks. 

Men who insist we all focus on the minute details of this mysterious case, the discrepancies in the McCanns and their friends statements, the shutters, Smithman, the last photograph, the finger prints or lack of them, etc, etc, as if the research and in depth discussion of the minutiae on blogs and forums will directly affect the outcome of this case.  That we have discussed the discrepancies for 8 years matters not, there's still a lot of mileage and opportunity for peacocks to show off their analytical minds and research skills. 

But while I am in feminist rant mode, herewith Tony's next Petition:

Its all going wrong because of those interfering women!  We could have carried on for another 8 years discussing Tannerman, the shutters and the last photograph, but the girls have gone and spoiled it!  They just don't think!  They had to rock the boat, they had to make waves, they can't just accept things and leave them as they are.

For all our sakes I call on the government to take emergency measures as follows:

1.  The immediate blacklisting and ostracisation of the journalist/writer/presenter Sonia Poulton and writer Rosalinda Hutton, (Cristobell) and the removal of all their work from the internet.  Examples must be made, they are inciting others (especially obedient women) to speak out also. 

2.  Censorship of the Internet.  All blogs, posts, opinions, must be scrutinised by morally sound, middle class white men of faith (not compulsory, any form of extremism will do) who are personally affronted by the sight of naked flesh, swear words and libertarians and work themselves up into a frenzy worrying  about what other people are getting up to in their bedrooms.  Clearly the rabble can't be trusted to form the right opinions if the information fed to them isn't vetted by the right people - upstanding pillars of the community who have foregone life's pleasures of partying and sins of the flesh and have earned the right to sit in judgement of the rest of us.  That they must be male, is a given. 

3.  Women who speak out of line to be portrayed as menopausal, hormonal, hysterical, irrational, stupid in love, and off their heads.  On no account must we listen to what they say, they must be judged firstly on their oestrogen levels. 

4.  Compulsory teaching of creationism and the bible  in ALL schools from the age of 5.  The sooner girls are made to understand how inferior they are, the better.  After all, it was Eve who brought everything bad into the world and righteous men know this. It's ingrained in them.

5.  The immediate cessation of women saying anything subversive in the public arena on any case of national or international importance, other than discussion about the fashion, hair and make up of the major players.    It has been proven time and time again, that when women interfere they get things done, which is of course, the opposite of our aims. 

6.  Full public trials for any woman found to have a) opinions of their own and b) the nerve to say them out loud without the express permission of their father/husband/owner or responsible male adult.  Baskets of rocks and stones, ducking stools etc, to be supplied for when guilty verdict is announced.

Signed:  

Anon. Witchfinder General: Bettenn
Anon. Gmable
Anon. Mitellch
Anon. G.Cmcnan
Anon. Pmaceter (hesitantly)
Subjugated women everywhere
Bennett Babes


Ps.  To misogynists and misguided bad lads, if all else fails, chain woman to ironing board with a pile of your shirts, tell her its a new spin on 50 Shades of Grey, and nip down the pub ;) 


 

160 comments:

  1. I think you've missed the point, Ros. Blacksmith was mocking the McCann's Twitter supporters who, lacking any positive news or supporting facts for the McCann case, have been reduced to spewing personal insults at "antis".
    In fact, Blacksmith seems quite supportive of Sonia, though less so recently of Joana Morais. I certainly don't think he advocates calling Joana names, though. Hence his comment about these characters lacking class.

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  2. Bless you for pointing that out to me so swiftly 2.09 - all I took in was the nasty chant, and the red mist appeared! Thus confirming the 'irrational female' argument - doh! I will be rejigging it, with profuse apologies to Blacksmith :)

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    1. No he's just pointing out both of you are shamelessly self promoting on the back of a missing girl..nothing to do with your gender.

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    2. And stop censoring posts..it's an extremely fair accusation.

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  3. He was having a go at the witches having a go at you.

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  4. He certainly wasn't having a go at you. I agree with the two posts above Cristobell.

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  5. He was, but he is very cryptic sometimes and the message is not always clear. Though to be fair I am striking out at middle aged, middle class, white men on a generic basis at the moment - still trying to decide whether its them or me who has fallen off the insanity scale.

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  6. I never saw what you wrote in you your first draft but come on Ros: I may not be a friend - they don't exist on the treacherous web - but I'm not your enemy.

    Of course the comments weren't critical of you - it's the incredible filth that those losers are throwing at you and the others, including Deborah Butler, that I was highlighting. Don't you see what that tells you about how lost their cause is?

    Your arguments about the missing child have won - that's why the supporters have fallen silent because they haven't got a single argument to make anymore, only abuse.

    In your case the abuse is specifically designed to help you unravel - do I have to point that out?

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    1. How on earth can it be 'filth' to point out that Butler stole from and neglected her parents?
      How on earth can it be 'filth' to point out that Sonia's partner is a man with a very long criminal record who is threatening people on twitter?

      Where is your moral compass, blacksmith?

      I know you will not allow this to be published, but for god's sake just think about it!

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  7. Do not adjust your screens, I really am this red. Apologies Blacksmith, basically it was a blog about how all men are b'stads which was written whilst I was struggling to apply false eyelashes with hands disabled by false nails (I'm off to a 'do') and the feminist heckles were up :(

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  8. I have taken the liberty of drawing up the Witchfinder General's next Petition, but will have to rejig it later x :)

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  9. No apology required but thank you.

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    1. Blacksmith rocks and so do you Cristobell, keep up the good work.

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    2. I second that.

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    3. I agree too. Don't let the bastards get you down.

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    4. Yep! You guys rock. A box of my best hash chocs to both of you for Valentine's Day xx

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  10. Not often one sees such honesty, apologising for a misunderstanding, owning up to mistakes and imperfections - what a refreshing relief - a REAL human being.

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  11. 06:00, I agree, It's a pity more aren't like Cristobell then there'd be less bickering on forums.

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    1. The bickering seems to have become much worse since Amarals trial has ended. I wonder if it's the nerves of waiting for the final verdict? I also agree with another post that it just seems to be the women getting all the abuse in this campaign and not the men.

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  12. February has not been a good month for you so far has it?

    Last week it was an apology for being a drama queen and this week an apology for including someone in a list a bad middle aged men by mistake.

    I wonder what it will be next week whilst you are putting on your false eyelashes and nails and sending blushing smilies.

    Get a grip for God's sake.

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    1. One of Tony's women (or alter ego's I presume) no wonder people, cough- sorry it only seems to be women, are walking out of Jill Halverns if this is the sort of banal bullying they receive from members on joining. Your last sentence is more apt to yourself too.
      Pathetic.

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  13. Brilliant Ros. Sometimes I do think that Bennett turned up here after going into a time transporter from the Victorian era; the only thing I can think off to make sense that he has no connection to the modern woman what-so-ever, is that he passed that time completely and just ended up here.
    It isn't personal either, so take it to heart; you only got to view the other, my guess also strong woman, who's just left to know that this problem of his involves any female who stands up for herself .
    He's not a decent man or a proper Christian either.

    Good to see you're fighting back hun xxx

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  14. Cristobell needs people like the blacksmith, see what the bureau is capable of doing when they take a dislike to someone.

    Apology my bum, if the blacksmith had really meant to discredit can you imagine the reaction? The next decade at least would be devoted to slandering the bureau, just like she does Mr Bennett and Jill Haverns forum generally.

    Publish if you dare!

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    1. If you look online, my false friend above, or go into the McCann forums you'll find that it's not just Cristobell but ex members who (slander) "complain" in my eyes, about Mr Bennett and JH actually.

      So is slander actually so, if others stand behind her in agreement?

      Or is it in reaction to the verbal abuse and false accusations you give out to the women behind your keyboard?

      Hmm, and here you are giving this one woman abuse again, like you're delighting in showing us above.

      Why you're laying yourself out for the world to see my false friend.

      Everybody and all can see why our friend retaliates, that is her right as a person.

      Does she have to stay mute while you do your kicking?

      Tell me, do you see her as vulnerable and alone?

      You can speak untruths about her, but she can't return?

      Says who?- You.

      No, you see that isn't a democracy. A woman has a right to speak and defend herself and it is the "right". As it is of her friends to defend her.

      That is me, and others.

      So you should return to spying on your members emails with their passwords that you gain by your spying software friend. Or read the private emails that they've sent.

      Or are these people slandering you?

      (Anybody interested just google Tony Bennett and you'll soon find evidence. Also if you search you can find complaints from ex members having their private emails read.)

      Surely that is illegal by the way? Do they know this happens?

      Either way a much more productive pass time than wasting your time here I think and bullying women.

      "Publish if you dare"-
      apt with the data you collect from your members. Maybe it should replace the no abuse one that is there already and means nothing.

      (ANON)

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    2. What?

      Oh and such hypocrisy, according to your deluded mind set, Cristobell and her fans can justify their existence in any way they see fit but if some nasty keyboard basher dares to confront, then you call it bullying?

      Wake up and smell the **** ANON. Cristobell doesn't do apology, it's another scene being played out in the life on an attention seeker.

      AMEN

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    3. Why don't you just leave her alone Amen? Anon is right, you're just showing yourselves for what you are by harassing the woman.

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  15. Great post anon. The thing that bugs me the most is that you can't unsubscribe from the bloody forum once you cotton on to his mi5 involvement. They keep you listed as a member even though the vast many has gone. Don't fall for it folks only a small amount are actually on there and its common knowledge they get you IP address. God knows what the paranoid goat does with that? V

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    1. I thought candyfloss told all how to unsubscribe. It's not really important though is it, the popularity of the forum is surely recognised by how many that post (and what they post) rather than listed membership.

      A thought, if the other place can get IP addresses for whatever reason, can't the candyfloss forum or any other do the same?

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    2. yes MMM also have your ip address and canyfloss and freedom seem a bit intimidated by Bennett for some reason.maybe he knows a few things about them after all they were part of his inner circle for along time.

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    3. Or maybe he's a nasty piece of work who likes to intimidate women and hound them after they left.

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    4. ANY Forumotion Forum has access to your IP address.

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  16. 12:05
    I may be wrong but I thought only the Moderators/ Admin had access to peoples IP addresses? Some years ago when I was a member of a certain forum, my posts were interfered with, and altered to cause trouble for me. Also someone must have had a way to read my private emails to other members, as they used to quote things I'd discussed, with others in private or so I thought!!

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  17. http://www.forumotion.com/unscribe

    This is how to delete accounts on Forumotion.

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    1. Thank you for this very useful piece of information.

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  18. Absolutely brilliant blog and so true. I'd have a little drinky poos to congratulate yourself for that one.

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  19. It's common knowledge that Tony Bennett and Halvern spy on the people who join, I've had mates pulled this on them.

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    1. It isn't common knowledge to me. What do your friends say happened to them?

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  20. I thought the Bennett hatefest on this blog might have stopped by now. But after 6 months, it's still going strong. ANOTHER whole post with only one purpose - Bash Bennett! Is it really necessary? Cristobell, please, what is the point of your campaign against him? Do you really not have anything else to write about?

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  21. Well one things for sure it warns others that are contemplating joining the forum what a ghastly place it can be, in other words if you follow the sheep you'll fit in nicely, otherwise, you'll be sent to the knackers yard without a second thought.

    Woof, the dogs have been let out to defend their master.

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  22. Every one of your blogs is a hate fest about Mr Bennett. Please get help for this obsession because it is slowly destroying you.

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  23. I have plenty to write about 16:08 but I find lies and disinformation and bullying especially vexing. This case of missing Madeleine became a global phenomenon through the social media campaigning of super efficient spinmeisters within and around the McCann family. It was the Oscar winner of stories distorted and celebrities created. It enabled a heinous crime not only to go unpunished, but to thrive and prosper.

    Tony Bennett has made himself very much part of the Madeleine sensation, he wanted a slice of the action from the off, hence his ill timed civil case for neglect against the McCanns and his appalling behaviour in leafleting their home town. He was the villain of piece, the bad 'anti' wheeled out by the MSM to illustrate that those who do not believe the abduction story are obsessive stalkers with murky agendas.

    Unable to gain a public role in the case of Madeleine McCann (or indeed any other high profile case he has latched onto), Bennett uses CMoMM to wage personal vendettas against those who refuse to see HIS light. Mr. Bennett wants fame or infamy, he's not fussed, in another life he would have shot a Beatle.

    He may have begun on the side of the 'anti's' but he has the same ideology as the 'pro's'. He wants censorship and he wants to rule. Tony Bennett is the WORD and the word is Smithman wasn't Gerry.

    Why do I continue to bash Bennett? Seriously? Tony hides behind Jill's forum firing Hezbollah missiles at myself and others daily in the hope we will remain silent and thus prove his point(s). No 5th Amendment in his fire and brimstone world. Unfortunately for him Sonia and I are subject to no 'gentlemen's agreements', we will tear apart and expose his lies for what they are. And by we, I mean mostly me, Sonia is far too busy right now.

    Buffoons like Bennett have enabled this debacle to carry on into it's eighth year. Their aim is to meddle and interfere in the way in which this case is investigated, reported and hopefully, ultimately resolved. People who genuinely want truth and justice do not harass and 'expose' vulnerable witnesses in a high profile crime nor do they campaign to silence others.

    I HATE bullying 16:08. My childhood in a convent left me emotionally scarred, I used to go to bed weeping because I was powerless to do anything to save myself, my friends or the little ones from the people in control and I never want to feel like that again. Besides which, it has taken me a lifetime to understand that turning the other cheek was the worst bit of advice I've ever taken. Its never made me feel good and its made my enemies more powerful. There comes a time when you have to say enough is enough.

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    1. I understand where you're coming from but, for me, turning the other cheek is the best way. The tormenters have quickly given up.

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    2. Good on you - that takes real strength, however I prefer Flannery O'Connor's take on the cheek business:

      'I don't deserve any credit for turning the other cheek as my tongue is always in it.'

      Bigots like Tone (now there's a book title) hate nothing more than being laughed at.

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    3. There comes a time when you have to say enough is enough.

      Indeed.

      I've told you why people are wondering what Sonia's film is going to say. Nobody cares what she's going to say about the case, but do care about what she's going to say about BL.

      She has mixed the issues and therefore instigated the controversy herself.

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    4. Were you looking at your own reflection when you wrote that? I recognise quite a few Cristobell traits hidden beneath the name Bennett. Talking about yourself is after all what you do best isn't it?

      According to your previous accounts of your life in care, you were not powerless to do anything, you chose not to do anything. You were not a very young child when put in care, you were old enough to understand the difference between right and wrong but you decided not to report the alleged ill treatment of the children so drop the victim status that you use every time you're backed into a corner.

      Take note Cristobell, some people don't read your posts, take them on face value only and then hang on for the next blog. Some people remember what you've said in the past. You really don't do yourself any favours.

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    5. Reply to Anonymous @04:24
      "Nobody cares what she's going to say about the case, but do care about what she's going to say about BL.
      She has mixed the issues and therefore instigated the controversy herself."

      What do you mean Sonia has "mixed the issues"? The Brenda Leyland case is inextricably linked with the McCann case. It is precisely because Brenda voiced her opinions about the McCann case to a fairly small audience on Twitter that she was attacked by McCann supporters who encouraged Sky News to pursue her, resulting in repeated, very negative coverage on Sky News throughout the day before her (apparent) suicide.
      It is perfectly understandable that Sonia Poulton, a journalist who has covered online bullying in the past, would show an interest in this case and also that, having investigated why Brenda ended up in the situation she did, she would want to look closer at the McCann case as a whole.
      I, too, am curious as to what percentage of Sonia's documentary will be looking at the activities of the McCanns' online supporters and how much will be about Madeleine's disappearance, but I think both subjects are well worthy of further investigation and - in the case of Brenda Leyland - it would be impossible to investigate her demise without looking at the McCann case itself.
      Why anyone would think combining these two cases is in any way controversial is a mystery to me, except in the sense that anything that touches on the McCann case is inevitably mired in controversy.

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  24. I wasn't sure about the forum until I saw what they did to scarletlaw and then I knew Cristobell was right. They don't want anyone to believe that Smith man is Gerry and what hurts me most, is that they say horrible things about the people who disagree with them. It's just not nice.

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    1. @Lucybhayes. The forum did nothing to Scarletlaw, re-read the posts and then stop lying. I read it and cannot find any "horrible" comments. If the forum hurts you so much then cease reading and complaining. You sound like a whingeing child.

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    2. @4,50 Aquila and Ladyinred accused her of have being there before, I know this because I read it myself and posted here to start with. They did this after she wrote about Smith man being Gerry. They do this to everyone who goes against the tool Bennett. You're the one who's lying.

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    3. @06:22 provide evidence of your allegations.

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    4. @09.46 I saw it and so did this Lucy girl.So why don't you tell us then why she left and why you were trying to pull her into your members forum? I expect you're aquila or ladyinred and you already know that you were accusing her. You're full of shit and you know it.

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    5. 12.50 Accusing her of being there before is nasty and like she said, the forum is an unhealthy place and they don't treat new members well. I remember her saying that she hoped you treated any new members better than you treated her. You're not nice people and I've seen it with my own eyes now. Why can't you just keep your group as it is and not let new members join because you just bully them and it's not right.

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  25. Turning the other cheek doesn't get justice, in fact- it's rather cowardly don't you think?

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    1. Depends on whether Mrs. Doyle (more tea father?) or Mike Tyson do the slapping

      Moreover - does Mrs. Doyle or Mr. Tyson want to make a point in a reasonable debate - or just try to annihilate you?

      If it's the latter - kick 'em in the balls...or other softish parts - I say

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  26. @ 23:29
    What a load of old poo! How dare you purposely set out to destroy a forum that has been running for so long and kept afloat by so many dedicated posters.

    From what I've seen of Jill Havern's forum, there is no malice except for the obvious culprits who appear on the forum to make trouble and invariably trouble they do make. If you don't like what one poster says then ignore it, if you continue to gnaw away at the topic then don't be surprised if people defend themselves. That I believe is what TB is doing, defending himself against the constant attacks by Cristobell and her little army of followers, on this blog and anywhere else she can use as a soapbox. Also, if you strongly object to someones opinions, isn't it preferable to debate the topic rather than resort to personal abuse? Is that not an adult approach?

    As for being booted out for disagreeing with particular people, I've never heard such a juvenile load of rubbish. Cristobell, for example, was not banned from the forum any more than a load of others who have joined her merry throng of spitting vipers. It's easy to flounce off the forum in a tantrum and then shout I WAS BANNED from the rooftops. Prove it! Cristobell can't and I doubt if many others can.

    What happened to Cristobell's forum that promised such earthy delights I wonder? Is it in fact one and the same as the candyfloss forum?

    To save you the bother, no I am not Tony Bennett nor am I speaking on his behalf. Credit me with some intelligence please!

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    1. Why doesn't Tone take up a little hobby, say needlepoint or Morris dancing

      and leave the rest of civilisation in peace?

      He's stirred enough already - he should be sated by feeding on human suffering by now - surely, don't call my Shirley.

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    2. Christobell is only a member on Candyfloss forum. She does not own, mod or admin it.

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    3. Sorry 04:12, can't credit you with very much intelligence at all. If you cannot see the malice that emanates from TB. Yes there are posters that have been there to disrupt, but the majority that have left or have been expelled were not disrupters but insightful, reasoned people who's only aim was to find justice for MBM.
      But I must credit TB with some intelligence as he now has all the research done by some of these posters all for himself.

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  27. 04:12,
    I don't need to set out to 'destroy a forum' that's making a pretty good job of that all by its-self. Why shouldn't people gnaw away at the topic? After-all gnawing away could lead to the truth being exposed!

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    1. @ 04:43
      1. Then leave it alone to self destruct. If it doesn't need any help then why take every opportunity to slag it off?

      2. I didn't say people shouldn't gnaw away at a subject, I said if whoever persists then don't be surprised if people defend themselves.

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      I'm sorry that you can't see you are being played.

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    3. @ 04:40

      Same has been said of Tony Bennett over the other place but people seem quite prepared to believe that he is lying !

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    4. Why does Bennett want to silence Cristobell?
      Why does Bennett want to discredit Sonia?
      Why did Bennett lie when he said the McCanns promoted Smithman ?

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  28. There can only be one Tone Bennett

    except for the myriad of socklets he supplied over the years

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  29. Oh I dare 04:12, except I haven't set out to destroy a forum, Tony needs no assistance there, he managed it with the Mirror, 3A's and now CMoMM, its his own personal speciality.

    CMoMM has lost hundreds of posters because of the dictatorial way in which it is run and ridiculous censorship that allows no theories on missing Madeleine other than those of Bennett. [the WORD: Gerry is not Smithman and anyone saying 'well he might be' will be banned from CMoMM] .

    The 'trouble makers' you describe are those who disagree with the overlord - and we see them hounded and driven away from CMoMM on a daily basis by Bennett and his octogenarian babes.

    Unfortunately for Bennett, I had an alternate 'voice', my blog, a place where he has no control whatsoever, he can't censor me or any of the other 'trouble makers' he got rid of on here and that bugs the hell out of him.

    I was suspended from CMoMM for one week. In other words banned, with of course the constant underlying threat that if I ever say anything out of line I would get banned again. Those are conditions and threats that I personally won't tolerate in any area of my life from anyone, not from my peers and especially not from those online who have assumed they have some kind of authority over me and what I write.

    However, I agree, it is indeed preferable to debate, and I debated with Tony for several years. Unfortunately, he didn't like my responses so he banned me and is now calling for jihad, ex communication and a general casting out of society of myself and all my work.

    I make no such demands for Tony's blacklisting and ostracisation - on the contrary, his tedious volumes are a perfect example of how all work and no play has made Tony a very dull boy indeed.

    I'm happy to debate with Tony on any platform he chooses, he worries me not. Meanwhile, as long as he puts out lies about myself and others I respect, I will challenge him. Although with his most recent batch of lies, the appalling tweets he attributed to Sonia, I couldn't have done any better than Xertial, a current member of CMoMM who dared to disturb the universe by pointing out the obvious manipulation of the screenshot.


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    1. The WORD : Gerry is not Smith man and anyone saying 'well he might be' will be banned from CMoMM.

      This belief of yours is not true.

      For the record, I post as Gaggzy on the forum. On a recent thread, I posted that in my opinion, Smithman is Gerry McCann. I also followed this statement with, 'of course, I could be wrong.'

      I have read a number of times by yourself and others that CMoMM ban people who believe Gerry is Smithman.

      Is there a time limit on this ban I can now expect?

      Because 4 days later ... hey, I haven't been banned.

      Maybe you would like to revise your statement that people get banned from CMoMM if they believe Smithman is Gerry McCann?

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  30. I confirm that I am not an owner, admin or moderator of the Candyfloss forum. In all the years I have been on social media, it is something that has never appealed to me. I passionately believe in Freedom of Speech, so my 'moderating' skills are zero and chaos usually ensues, I know my limitations! lol. On here for example, it has taken me a while to distinguish between the obvious 'hate' spam and posts with valid points, but I am getting there.

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    1. CRISTOBELL UNBOUND
      Sunday 24th August 2014

      "I will continue to press for justice for the missing child, and thanks to some very kind assistance I will soon be setting up a new forum. It won't be solely devoted to Madeleine McCann, it will cover topical issues, controversial subjects and whatever comes along. I want it to be live and interactive. If anyone is interested in being Admin, then please contact me"

      With respect, your moderating skills are not so bad when monitoring your blog are they? I notice you allow posts that you think will garner support for you and yet you disallow posts that are a direct criticism and can't be defended!

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    2. A fleeting idea that was quickly discarded when I thought about the time, work, etc involved. Tis a woman's prerogative to change her mind :)

      And as for the hate spam, they are not getting a platform here - they will have to confine it to the members lounge of CMoMM and JATKY2 where birds of feather flock together.

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    3. Yeh yeh, if you say so!

      What is 'hate spam', comments that criticise you?

      Hasn't the 'candyfloss' forum got a private members lounge? I agree with what you say, birds of a feather do indeed stick together.

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  31. Dictators, control freaks, whatever you want to call them are so full of their own importance, they can't see that the more sane among'st us- just laugh at their over inflated egos.
    I'm so glad you have the support of so many people/friends, myself included, that can see what's going on here- IS just plain jealousy.

    The pen is mightier than the sword!

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  32. People should look into Tony and the forum before joining is my advice. Then make your mind up. Bit of coincidence that these "disrupters" were all picked on after disagreeing with Tony for me and especially the Smiths sighting. Again once or twice maybe,but there's been too many now and it's very obvious that they have to remove people. I wish they would just come clean now and be honest about why these people are pushed out. I've seen people I really liked be forced out and no more. It wasn't the place it was and you aren't allowed to debate there anymore.

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    1. I don't think there's any need to go delving into anything. If the McCann case interests you, register with CMoMM and / or the new one MMM and see how you get on. They're just a means of chatting with other people - if you don't like them, nobody is forcing you to stay.

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    2. quite, even a cursory google of Anthony will confirm that this is not a 'gentleman' one, of even somewhat sane disposition would want to break bread with.

      Bennett = scorched earth - what- whoever the subject - unless it's Tone himself.

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    3. @ 07:43

      I also wish people would be honest and that includes Cristobell.

      Cristobell adores the attention she's getting, she instigates confrontation to ensure she's the centre of attention at all times. The only time she declines to print comments is when there is direct proof of her duplicity and she can't wriggle her way out.

      Still if it feels good you're at liberty to anchor your ship to whatever mooring that suits your port of call albeit built on shifting sands.

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    4. Would that be 'is' as in third person singular present or 'IS' as in Islamic State?

      TB Bennett Tone Tony Bennett, what has that got to do with anything? I was under the impression that the general debate was centred around the case of Madeleine McCann's disappearance so why do you give the man so much space? What he thinks says or does has no relevance unless you give him that coverage, so why do you do it?

      If you ignore him or anyone like him he will fade into obscurity but keep his profile running and you will never rid yourselves of his presence. I repeat, why do you do it? To make yourself feel good?

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    5. Perplexed onlooker14 February 2015 at 21:22

      I'll go with that too. I do understand that, when lies are posted about someone, it's a natural reaction to respond and then the insults continue to be slung back and forth. Far better to maintain a dignified silence and not reduce yourself to the other person's level.

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  33. Can you adjust the blog time so it shows the correct time that comments are posted?

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  34. Cristobel..you just can't handle tony being far more intelligent and researched than yourself. And for implying he is tm...read his posts to see that is a blatant lie. Basically this just seems a forum for people who believe smithman is gerry. Well guess what i kinda think down that line too..yet have never been shouted down or abused on cmomm. Think its just tb sees you for what you are...a self obsessed publicity seeker...or a drama queen to quote yourself. And the fact he cares about madeleine and justice makes individuals such as yourself anathema to this cause.

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    1. Did you know that one of the foundations of Bennets theory, that Smith was lying about his sighting to protect his friend Murat, had been completely undermined by Smith himself who e mailed Ricard Hall and asked him to retract a statement fom his film because he is not a friend of Murat. Has Bennett apologised to Smith for accusing him of lying? Try asking him and see how long you last on the forum!

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    2. Tony is certainly not more intelligent than Cristobel! I am certain that, given a legitimate (as opposed to 'online') IQ test, that Cristobel's IQ would be substantially higher than Tonys. As regards Tony being better researched, Cristobel has a much higher understanding of how research works. That is why she puts the most 'faith' in the police files. Tony has 'invented' the idea that Smithman is Robert Murat, without a shred of evidence. Tony Bennett surrounds himself with 'followers' who are mostly (although not exclusively) not tertiary educated, and this gives him a senses of importance. Many believe he is intelligent, merely because he writes a lot! But if you read what he writes, and if you analyse his style of writing, it is extraordinarily verbose, immature and lacking in substance. Hence, he cannot surround himself with other tertiary qualified individuals, because they would simply laugh at him.

      Are you impressed by the fact that Tony has a law degree? I am astounded that he has such a degree, as he does not understand the most basic principles of the Westminster legal system. This is why he failed so dismally at his own trial. It is not the case that powerful law firms such as Carter Ruck always 'win' cases. Carter Ruck, like every other law firm, has also lost a great many cases. For all its problems, the Westminster system is better than most and sets a very high bar when it comes to evidence. Tony's letters to judge were profoundly ignorant, and he was unable to keep his writing to the facts of the case and the charges before him.

      I also think that Cristobel is a far better writer than Tony Bennett.

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  35. The only problem with that is.. if you don't retaliate people may believe the lies. What then? they get away with it!

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  36. Whst lies would that be? As long as you can produce evidence to back your viewpoint then you can agree to disagree. Cristobel imo never could do that..and although i actually agree with her views at times her attitude causes problems. I sure ain't a sheep..but because i post on cmomm or disagree with her thats what i am. Last refuge of a scandal..labelling someone because you cannot argue against their logic. This is what unsocial media has escalated more and more.

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    1. Bennett's logic led to a swimming pool in the Barrymore case

      and sunk without a trace

      Cristobell does not have that baggage - she calls things as she sees them - kudos.

      I applaud her for this.

      Cristobell also wears her heart on her sleeve and divulges her 'inner workings', sometimes too candidly.

      But I love her for that.

      That however leaves her open to abuse - as we have witnessed/screenshot for posterity over the last three weeks.

      Tone's a snake - he loves slithering - as he did slither through those Rothley bushes - when his master plan became all too apparent.



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  37. 13:29,
    For someone who is supposedly 'far more intelligent and researched' than Cristobel, he still gets things wrong. So you see.. even your master isn't perfect.
    And as far as not being shouted down, or abused, there's still time!

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  38. TB and Cristobell.

    The difference?
    One is paying for their idiocy. The other will surely be doing the same shortly.

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    1. Oh, I bet you're fun at parties

      Cristobell said her piece on the People's Voice channel and to to the Sun.

      She wasn't Carter *ucked - was she?

      Those days of the doctors being untouchable - have long since gone - thankfully.

      Tone just rushed in too early - as an Essex 'boy' would - and got hammered.

      IS

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    2. Perplexed Onlooker15 February 2015 at 00:10

      I can't see what Cristobell is doing that might cause the problems that Tony has had. Writing a blog and not agreeing with the contents is not a punishable offence!

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  39. Course tb makes mistakes..we all do. And his career HAS revolved round working with the issues this case brings. And debate is healthy. But to follow cristobell or sonia poulton blindly and not seeing that they are making money off the back of madeleine...ie promoting diet books..teasers for supposedly commisioned documentaries is missing the point that their personal jesus arejust creating controversy to raise their own profiles.

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    1. TB's career is Madeleine McCann?

      Therein might lie the problem 15:56, it isn't my career and it isn't Sonia's, it is only part of our lives, whereas it appears to be the entirety of Tony's.

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    2. Good point, well made

      IS

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    3. Naughty cristobel...i said his career had revolved round issues that this case raises...not that this is his career. Typical journo
      yes you don't have career in this field of research..hence don't havr same skill set. Jusr a good way of twisting words

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  40. 15:22,
    Why don't you just go away to be polite, and take your threats with you, idiot.

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  41. @ 11.51

    nope, no takers for abuse thank you

    Or in the words of the Doors - 'No time to wallow in the mire'

    IS

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  42. After a campaign against Bennett lasting about 9 months, he's still posting good articles about Madeleine every week - and CMOMM has just as many readers as it ever did, if not more. Face it, Ros, this hasn't been your most successful campaign, has it? Big dilemma - carry on attacking him and try to 'squish' him? Or give Bennett up and try another campaign to see if you can succeed with your next one?

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    1. Will there be an imminent / citizen's arrest by Tone of the perps??

      post here first please

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  43. IS = Is Stonking
    Box of best special chocs for you also xx

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  44. Delighted he can still find something new and interesting to say about Madeleine every week, 8 years on from the main event, I am sure his readers find his work endlessly enthralling.

    I see he is currently investigating/stalking/harassing others on the periphery of the case. Is he officially part of Operation Grange, working for MI5, or simply carried away with his own self importance? Does he receive weekly thank you notes from DCI Wall and her team, for pointing them in the right direction? Are the Defence/ Prosecution in a bidding war for the mountains of diatribes underlined in blue in the hope that the verbally effluent Mr. Bennett will either make or break their case?

    Cuckoo Land my friend. Tony is investigating this case with only a tiny fraction of the evidence that is available to the professionals. His contribution to the McCann canon is that of an armchair detective with delusions of grandeur. At best he is a meddling buffoon but at worst his publicity seeking antics and pro McCann propaganda could impact on the investigation and eventual trial.

    I'm perfectly happy to ignore Mr Bennett and his hissy fits, but I will challenge his lies and smears and hiding behind a gaggle of old birds won't save him. I don't really care whether he carries on or spontaneously combusts, I stopped his reading his shite years ago when I came across the appalling errors in his research and his fruitloop conclusions.


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    1. I don't know what Tone's motives are but he doesn't encourage Gez as the guy seen by Smith man. Whether this is because he believes the family are liars or he has done a deal?- I don't know, but they push you out if you mention Gez is Smith man and the forum it isn't a place you'll be welcome if you say you think this.

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    2. And Tony's endless requests from FOI are simply embarrassing. You can just imagine the groans in the office when they receive yet another one! It's hard to believe that this man was ever a solicitor. The legislation regarding FOI is not that complex, but Tony seems to think he can make requests that are beyond the rights of any legislation; this is also the reason he should not have represented himself in court, although I understand he didn't have much of a choice. He would have been better off with a non-solicitor 'friend' than representing himself. He doesn't appear to understand the law at all. All legal practitioners and government departments can only act within the powers invested in them by the current legislation, which can only be altered through an act of parliament. Oh right - that must be why Tony also went into politics at one stage! He is more articulate than a lot of his 'followers', (who seem to think he's some kind of intellect!), but I had to agree with the judge's ruling that described him as overly verbose! I love Tony's statements in his letters to the judge "I am going to make one more very brief point" ... seven pages later... Tony suffers from verbal diarrhea and constipation of ideas.

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  45. 16:17,
    I notice you say readers, and not contributors, that says it all really.

    Probably coming to have a laugh at TB ramblings.

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    1. Tone's most avid readers (all 3 of them) can be found at Jatyk2

      You can read, but can't post there

      Site's a bit like Dr. Strangelove - without the jokes - but loads of tumbleweed.

      IS

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  46. Ros, don't ignore Bennett, keep up your attacks on him, daily, until he is well and truly squished. Keep up your attacks on the McCann-supporting forum, CMOMM. Go and tell DCI Wall that those two e-fits are Gerry McCann, and expose Bennett's mischievous claims that those e-fits weren't done by the Smiths. You are the key Ros to solving this case, and then all Bennett's work will be exposed for the irrelvant, badly-researched rubbish it is. Go girl!

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    1. I sense that reply is rather tongue in cheek.

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  47. Cristobell, You say the Smiths saw Gerry, Bennett says they are making it up. Could it be that the Smiths really did see someone but it wasn't Gerry? I'm interested in what time you say Maddie died, why Gerry would carry his dead child through the streets of PdL, and what he did with her body before he got back to his apartment. What's your theory about all that?

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    1. I don't say anything 08:46 because I simply don't know! None of us do. I think however that a Gerry lookalike carrying a Madeleine lookalike through the streets of PDL just before the alarm was raised is a tad more than coincidental.

      Like many I have played 'Cluedo' with the facts of this case for several years, but unlike others I don't expect Operation Grange to step down so I can take over.

      I think the closest we can get to what happened in PDL was brought to us by Goncalo Amaral, the co-ordinating detective in charge of the case in the summer of 2007. He was there on the scene and his book 'The Truth of the Lie' is THE definitive book on this case, and until this case reaches a conclusion, its the best we have.

      Tony's 'work', his research, investigation and conclusions are based on speculation and prejudice. How can he, from his armchair and computer in Essex know more about this case than the detectives who were and are directly involved?

      Tony can come up with any theory he likes of course, as can anyone, but his campaign to smear the main witnesses, including a 12 year old girl who's school reports he was trying to obtain, is imo, despicable and one of the reasons I left CMoMM.

      and smearing of the witnesses

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    2. TB`s "research" over a number of years into the Smiths had led him to believe the 12 year old was actually an adult.

      Most of his research is in a similar vein.

      That is, total rubbish.

      He is there to misinform, the question is why?

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    3. Ros and JJ, I get your point about TB's research and agree - there's nothing worse than misinformation particularly from someone who is held in high regard by some.

      I do however see the need to keep the 8 years of discussing topics like Tannerman etc because without discussion it's difficult for new members to get a clear picture. The files are heavy going and IMO it's forum discussion and perspective that helps people understand true facts and debate them in a clear and logical manner.

      I'm concerned tbh that for the last 6 months new members have been put off on both forums because of differing opinions.

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  48. I too would like to know if you think that Madeleine was alive or dead when he was carrying her through Praia da Luz in her pyjamas at 10pm 3rd May

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  49. Gonçalo Amaral never met the parents in theinitial investigation,did he?
    When was he actually in the apartment at OC for the first time??

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  50. Anon (IS) 14th Feb 23:52:

    Are you saying that the man 'slithering nonchalantly' out of the side door in the video 'Madeleine Was Here' (Video #1 /5 at 01.53) - is our very own Tony Bennett? Really?

    Now that would a actually explain some strange things that happenened to me while a was a member at CMOMM and discussing the riddlers first post back in April 2014, my private emails are still being read even now...





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    1. The man coming out of the garage is not TB, he's way too short, and his bald head has a distinctive shape. Quite unlike any other in the jamboree style production which opened for business in 2007.

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  51. Borrowed from a website. Just one of many I have in my possession. I have lots more.

    Tony Bennett, where shall I start..??

    Well, first he lied and lied, and altered witness statements in the Michael Barrymore/ Stuart Lubbock case.. He left bits out to suit his idea if what happened.

    Second Lee Balkwell case ...... As it is now been reopened, I shall be careful what I say, except, Bennett was contacted by Balkwell's widow, who pleaded and begged Bennett to remove pictures of her husband , crushed in a cement mixer. Bennett, just mocked her and refused this to happen, citing he could do what he wanted to, as it was in the public domain, and it proved Balkwell was murdered.

    Thirdly..... The curious case of road traffic signs, where BentTit gave a false name and address whilst nicked for stealing road signs.

    Fourth.... The McCann case. There are reports of him contacting the McCanns first off, wanting to act for them, citing his experience as a child Solicitor (more on this later). He was refused this and since then conducted a war against the McCanns, their friends and supporters and those that believe the McCanns are innocent.

    Fifth...... He has never ever denied he was caught "cottaging" in public toilets in Leverton , Lincolnshire. (my personal favourite)

    Sixth... He was disciplined and told he could never be called a Solicitor again after charging a couple twice for legal work he did for them, whilst they were using the services of the Solicitors, Bennett was a Junior for. Bennett, decided to charge them, using his name, and set up as himself, claiming he did the work and sent invoices off.

    Seventh.... he is a weasel, a liar, a complete c**k head, and IMHO never be allowed anywhere near a computer keyboard.

    Oh and he said Karen Matthews was innocent and Mick Philpott too.


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    1. I forgot to add Mr Bennett if you try to pose as Scarletlaw in your planted clone on these lady's here website that you've set up in her name or anywhere else, than-

      "EXPECT" a reaction.

      Only she will speak for herself and we're very aware of what you're doing.

      (ANON)

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    2. The only purpose of scarletlaw posting was to proclaim Mathew Oldfield innocent!
      Makes sense now that scarletlaw was another Bennett sock.
      "Poppycock "as Aqulia /Fragrance said at the time.
      Maybe now his no1 fan will stop paying his fines.

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    3. she's an activist and used to be on twitter years ago when it first started. all the activists are doing stuff with the child abuse cases in the country atm. maybe it's something to do with the gasper papers?bennett shouldn't be taking the piss with these people they're are thousands of them everywhere.

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    4. Number 5. My favourite too ANON. Nice digging, I think he would envy your powers of detection. Any response Mr Bennett?

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  52. Oh and he said Karen Matthews was innocent and Mick Philpott too.

    Quote from previous post. I don't remember him saying that.

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    1. The above is taken from a conversation where he posted a thread about Tony Bennett and tried unsuccessfully to pose as another forum member by cloning them in name. He was caught doing this and my purpose in showing the post, is to point out to him that we're aware he's now setting this up to try and be Scarletlaw.
      Whether they're is truth in the posters words, you will have to ask Tony himself.

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  53. Okay - I don't agree with the notion that the McCanns have anything to do with their child's disappearance, however if I was going to listen to anyone who held the opposite view, I would take Christobell over any of the others. I don't believe that she is engaged in this subject for reasons of self-promotion, because whatever she writes is too spontaneous and self-revealing, and often way too vulnerable for her to be someone who is 'using' this case to get publicity. I think Tony and Sonia are publicity seekers who want an enormous amount of attention, but I don't get that feeling from Cristobell. She apologises when she's made mistakes, she writes about her vulnerabilities, and even though I disagree with her, I am sure she would not be writing about this case if she thought there was even a chance that she was wrong. I think Tony and Sonia attach themselves to causes for some kind of need for control or fame. I'm sure they believe their own statements, but I am equally sure that they would attach themselves to another high profile 'cause' in a heartbeat.

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    1. I had to publish this because you said such nice things about me - I think, lol.

      However, Tony Bennett and Sonia Poulton are poles apart, their reasons for campaigning entirely different. I agree that in the case of Mr. B, it is self publicity and a clear delineation between the righteous and the low lives (the rest of us). That is, once he has solved the mystery of Madeleine McCann (and been publicly acknowledged for it), he will have a pulpit from which to preach fire, brimstone and eternal damnation for anyone who indulges in hanky panky outside of wedlock.

      Sonia is journalist, a hack, if you like, but in the nicest possible way and she has fire in her soul. Like every journalist she is looking for that scoop, which is of course a pretty healthy attitude for any journalist to have. And all the good ones have it in abundance. She would not be who she is, and where she is, now if she confined herself to stories about dead donkeys and church bazaars. What is wrong with ambition?

      Picking up cases and reporting on them is her job! Far too many of us, and I include myself here, have allowed this perplexing case to take over our lives. A freelance journalist cannot focus on one story with the exclusion of everything else in order to be accepted as credible! If a Sky news reporter tells us there has been a crash on the M4, we don't think, well I won't believe that because he's got a dodgy past, and he was telling us about a burglary last week.

      While the rest of us have been mulling over cuddlecat, the distance between the tapas and the apartment, and how many drinks they all had, Sonia has been building a successful career and getting things done! Sonia is the first mainstream journalist to take an interest in this case, and after 8 blooming years, I for one, am eternally grateful to her!

      And I have to confess, I am cut from the same cloth, albeit the much less polished end of it, I've never wanted to be anything other than a writer. Even as a little girl, I cottoned on that I was good with words and that I could use my 'power' to help others and I always chose the underdog to defend. I'm a sucker for lost causes.

      I took the Catholic Church to Court because I knew I could. Too many of the survivors of the childrens' homes were walking wounded. They would have been demolished in the witness box. I knew I could speak on their behalf because I wasn't afraid, I wanted to face them, I wanted to look into the eyes of those people who had abused us so badly, I wanted to see them again and I wanted to face them as an equal and I wanted to ask them why!

      It was not a happy ending, as many know, but I was up against Goliath and not quite as powerful as I thought. But I'm still here, and I'm still fighting and I'm going to write that blooming bestseller one day! :)
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    2. Said nice things about you - you think?

      You've failed to print the critical comments or is that what you call "hate spam". I call it constructive criticism so where's your sense of balance, me myself I?

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    3. Actually, Cristobel posts a lot of nasty comments that people send to her; even those who refer to her as 'mad'; and this is extremely nasty given that Cristobel has been open about having a bi-polar diagnosis. You should read this blog more carefully before making snide remarks! There are lots of comments referring to Cristobel as a 'drama queen', an 'attention seeker' etc... and she has posted these herself! (Clearly). That is pretty brave, and if she wants to keep endless hate spam off her blog, then that is her right. Hate spam adds nothing to the subject in any case.

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  54. "Smethurst's young and glamorous wife ...."

    How many times has bennett posted that now?

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    1. I noticed that and it made me cringe. What relevance is it to anything? It couldn't possibly be jealousy, could it?

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  55. My name is Flowers:
    Cristobel, you come across as a nice, open, very witty person and I enjoy reading your blog. I have read some of the things you have written on the 'other forum' too and you come across as normal :) you change your mind sometimes, like we all do, you admit if you feel you've made a mistake and are not afraid to offer an apology either, whether one was necessary or not. All qualities that I warm to in a person. As this is your blog it promotes you as a writer yet I feel you promote SP here to. Your choice of course but she's a different kettle of fish to you Cristobel. She may be 'bigger' than you but I'm not a fan of hers, I find she has a chip on her shoulder, shouts way too loud and elbows her way through! Let her find her own fans, I'm sure she must have her own platform somewhere and cannot imagine her singing your praises there. As you say, she's looking for her 'scoop' let's hope she returns the favour Cristobel. Good luck with the Bestseller, always follow your dreams :)

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  56. Regarding Candyfloss Forum. I know there isn't any news regarding the MM case at the moment but there doesn't seem to be anybody discussing anything on there at the moment. I'm not a member there or of any forum but I like to go on and read, are most of the topics being discussed in private in the members lounge? Why have private lounges and not every topic open to read? Surely if anything being discussed is libellous or defamatory it would still be seen in there as anybody who wants to look for such material can become a member if they wish and find it, so why have private lounges? This is not a negative, I'm curious as to what is discussed in them. Thanks, Flowers.

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    1. Why don't you join the forum, Flowers? You won't find a hoard of secret topics though! All forums go quiet at times when there's not much news.

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    2. The forums and groups are quiet at the moment Flowers because there isn't very much to talk about, and because the forum owners/mods/ admin etc, keep a tight rein on all the discussions. They have to, they have been backed into a corner by the demands of certain members to keep the discussion to Madeleine and the PJ files, for fear of offending anybody or attracting negative attention from the MSM.

      The anti groups are so different and diverse that they have never been able to unite and act as one (a bit like the socialists), but they have live alongside each other vying for the top spot. And they do this, by striving for harmony, avoiding confrontation and keeping the debate within 'Madeleinespeak' guidelines through censorship and by banning those who refuse to join the unison choir.

      For myself, having been censored several times recently by those panicked into believing I was the devil incarnate, I have taken a step back and granted the wishes of those of who wanted me to shut up and go away. Far be it for me to detract from the crucial work they are doing.

      The bigger picture. This case is nearing the end and several camps are very jittery. The anonymous voices that have been so prominent in this case are close to being revealed, either through the Brenda Leyland Inquest or the troll investigations that follow.

      The McCanns claim for damages against Goncalo Amaral is about to fail spectacularly and Operation Grange is too quiet for anybody's liking.

      Discussion just now, is either going over the 'facts' again or speculation about the 'facts', so as not to confuse newscomers to the case, and of course 2000 word essays about Cuddlecat. All pretty safe, mundane stuff and not my cup of tea at all.

      I just wish someone would have the guts to open a free for all page/forum where we could slug it out in a face off debate, instead of firing off sneaky little arrows that doesn't allow the recipient the right to reply (Ben Thompson).

      Anyway, I am possibly being unfair. Owning or moderating a group or forum is a thankless and difficult task, and as I've said before, not a role I've ever wanted.

      As for the 'lounges', I suspect that is where all the 'juicy' gossip occurs Flowers, if any, it all depends on how tight the reins are. :)

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  57. I don't know who to trust anymore but I know lots of my mm friends think jill haverns and bennett are in cahoots with scotland yard. Not hard to see why when certain people are silenced, pressured out and then slagged off by the members afterwards. Certainly looks suspicious.

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    1. Scotland Yard in cahoots with TB. Now you really are having a laugh. I'm guessing they have a recycling bag full to the brim with his name on it. They gave up on the shredder after he broke the last two with his guff.

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  58. There is not much going on in any other forum either. I noticed the absence of a certain profilic poster (with lots of humour) over at JH. Maybe he's taking a break???

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    1. Its quite COMMON for him to take a break on PURPOSE

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    2. Yes who?! Long time since that place made me raise a smile.

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  59. Who are you meaning and why does he take a break?

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  60. Nick, I'm dubious to join another forum. I joined the one 'over there' and all I will say is first and last. I intend to keep well away from anything that stores my IP address.

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    1. Gotta love on this site how everyone makes claims against individuals on cmomm with zero evidence. C'mon sheeple..make claims etc back it up with links and evidence..cos it smells of bs

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    2. Ok then as a start - become a member of CMOMM (if you are not already!), go into the members lounge and look for the 'All at sea' thread'. This is regarding member's IP location. Many member's IP addresses are shown as located in Westminster when they are geographically located elsewhere. You may come up with an explanation for this IP quirk - I never received one from the mods at CMOMM despite several requests. On the last request the IP map was taken away - I believe the link is on the last few pages of the thread or I can provide it here if you request it. Now what made me suspicious is that I noticed a pattern to who was located in Westiminster. I could accurately predict who would be located in Westminster according to the subjects being discussed and their comments. After showing an interest in the riddler thread my own IP location was split between my actual location and London each and every time I logged onto CMOMM - this was without exception for over nine months. I have extensively checked my IP address on other sites and CMOMM is the only site that does this. And yes I have screen shots of the IP map. If you could explain this then I would be interested - not saying it is any one particular person on CMOMM but maybe data integrity issues. Some kind of external monitoring of the internet?

      As I said, this is just a start.

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    3. CMOMM and the McCann files are both monitored by Scotland Yard they were left for a reason in the cull, primarily to keep tabs on visitors and give out regular misinformation. There's a particular file both these sites have that was purposely doctored by certain people and this has never been scrutinised by the people on either forum. Both sites you can't trust for information.

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    4. I know the topic you mean. I didn't see anything sinister in it myself - it was just a laugh to see how inaccurate it was. There was one person actually in Spain who apparently hotfooted it to Westminster to post on the forum. Other people were all over the U K from John o' Groats to Lands End when they only ever posted from one fixed location.

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    5. Yeah, and I'm the Xmas fairy.

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    6. .......and very pretty you look too.

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    7. @8.40
      Explains where some of the 10 million is going, these guys wages to monitor us. Just proves that Grange aren't really looking and it's just a fake cover up to me and they are protecting the McCanns. Why pay people to watch the public otherwise?
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  61. That makes complete sense to me @anon 17 Feb 09:21. Can you tell me more about this particular file that both CMOMM and McCann have. A file of disinformation that was to be disseminatedover time? A file of members IP addresses to be monitored? A list of member email addresses to hack? A file of PM's that were doctored when certain matters discussed? Or a file of information pertaining to the case?

    Happy Christmas Xmas Fairy

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    1. I would like some more info, too. My name in real life was in the email address I used to sign up to CMOMM and this leads on to my Facebook etc. It makes me feel ill to think I have been spied upon by TB/TM/MI5. Thank you Cristobell for allowing us to discuss these things here.

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  62. I meant PM at JH. He seems to be having a break, don't know if this is normal behaviour. He used to be a very active poster.

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    1. Ah, yes, thank you, realise who you mean.

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  63. PM is probably stunned like me. I'm genuinely shocked by all that's been going on and have no idea what to think. I really thought the forum was a place of like minded people and now, well I'm starting to see things differently. Kl

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  64. There's an interesting topic on the miscarriage of justice forum about the site being asked to inform McCanns of potential libellous posts, please read it because it's very informative. This quote is taken from the bottom of page 2.

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    "You really shouldn't judge other forums admin, like Bennett. He is the only one I have known pass personal details of members to others.
    Not a clever move, on his part, the list he sent me by email, sometime ago, contained, hundreds of log in names, along with real names and email address's.
    Now if I was as underhand as some, I could use these, just like he did."

    http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1258.15

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  65. All posters worth reading have abandoned the forum. Those left are Bennettbabes and a handful of relative newcomers. So sad. So what IF the debate gets heated, how boring otherwise....like Jatyk2 et al. Everone agrees with everyone.

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  66. Use them for what?

    I am not aware of any poster on any of the Madeleine Mccann forums being pursued for libel or defamation. So what are these lists for? For narrowing down targets to make an example of such as Brenda Leyland?

    This is surely illegal. What on earth is going on here.

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    1. Sorry, my comment above refers to comments made by @ 18th Feb 10:12.
      I would really like to find out what these lists are for.

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    2. These lists, I think anyway and don't know for sure, was for the McCanns to find evidence on libelling them; not only to find people like Brenda and keep the we're being picked on story up for PR, but they're also apparently (gossip going around) finding things in order to have them removed by Google.
      They say to protect the twins from reading it now they're getting older. I don't think the pair would ever go after an individual anymore, the Brenda persecution cock-up put that in the bin, but I think they will still try and stop books being written etc. They only tend to sue when there's money in it for them, so if you're just an average person I wouldn't worry to much.
      If they went after one person again like Brenda it would just put fuel into the campaign against them again and bring them unwanted media attention. With Clarence now defected they haven't got the resources currently to cope with this. Also the Amaral trial doesn't look in favour of them too at this time, so I think they're keeping their heads down.
      Most sites would only hand over the information if the McCanns went for an actual court order and were made to hand it over. They wouldn't just hand it over if asked because of data protection.

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    3. Thank you for that long reply Anon 18th Feb @13:25.
      That does reassure me and I think you are right if the Mccanns are now acting in isolation - but what worries me is who is or has protected them behind the scenes? I am still very peeved to think that my personal data has been compromised somewhere along the line by registering at CMOMM. I would warn others to be very careful with your personal data regarding all forums. Thx again.

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  67. Scarlet is an Anarchist, a very beautiful one, the girl is very attractive, but she is a whirlwind who enjoys chaos and doesn't trust the police. She should contact the police first if she has any concerns and I'm sure they could lay her fears to rest that they're doing everything they can to get to the truth of what happened that night.

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    1. Patronising to talk about a woman's looks. Shining a light is not chaos, only the fungus is afraid of the sun because it is mould. Mould should be removed if it breeds in the dark and causes hurt. People have a right to know who their friends are. They only have each other after all when the Law they pay for no longer represents them and entices people to betray them.
      I hope the police are putting just as much effort into investigation as they are into this spying on the people.
      If they are, then we'll have the gypsy; gardener, boat owner, pedo, pedo gang, man across the street, (what is it this week) of course the burglar who killed and stayed for an hour, - in no time.
      S x

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  68. Has Tony said anything yet about all these allegations? Can't stomach going over there to look.

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    1. There's nothing that can be seen by non-members.

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