I loved CMoMM for the same reasons as yourself Lucy, and learned much from the great posters they once had. People who had obviously taken a lot of time and trouble to research and ponder the intricacies of this puzzling case. My own theories changed continually as I 'followed' those who were several steps ahead of myself and better equipped for analytical thinking. Petermac was great, but I am saddened to see he has joined in with the 'analysing Cristobell's mental health' shite, which is a shame.
As for trying to get the release of those statements, I fear its going to have to be one of those 'wait and see' irritants'. We were v.fortunate indeed to see the police files released at all, it was a unique situation that caught everyone (especially the McCanns and those involved in the cover up) by surprise.
Literally everything will depend on the outcome of the investigation. Scotland Yard will have to wrap it up one day, one way or another. It will be at that time that we will discover how thorough and transparent the investigation has been. And that will be the time to say, 'hang on, we know there were other statements', if we have to.
I very much stick to the findings of Goncalo Amaral and his book - he was there on the scene, he was the co-ordinator of the investigation and HE was the one who brought The Truth of the Lie' to the public's attention. They were out to destroy him for very good reason. Unfortunately, Goncalo was removed from the case when he began to investigate the Smithman sighting. That is significant on every level, it tells us what the McCanns and those involved in the cover up, feared the most. Once arrangements were made to fly the Smiths back to Portugal, there was an immediate shut down. And it was at the time, the PJ were closing in.
The only way a cover up could be effective imo, is if they find a reason to file it away under the Official Secrets Act, but having wracked my brains, I cannot think of anything that would warrant this. A lot of public money has been spent on Operation Grange and public bodies such as the police are accountable to the voters.
Those withheld statements may form part of the case for the prosecution (if there is one) already and it is understandable if the police do not want to reveal what, if anything, they have. The McCanns have been busting a gut to get hold of the FULL police files for 7 years, they even took Leicester Police to Court over the issue. Interesting, Bennett has been doing the same by bombarding the whole world and its dog with Freedom of Information requests.
I am not altogether sure the time is right for Petitions etc. At the moment we do not know what the police have or what they are up to. The very public activities, the dig etc, lead me to believe its real, if it isn't the entire production is going to cost more than Elizabeth Taylor's Cleopatra, and end with the world's most pathetic cop out and a lot of explaining to do.
I have never doubted the Smith family, and my heart goes out to them. Once this does reach a conclusion, questions should be asked about the harassment of witnesses in high profile cases. The press have respected their wishes to be left alone, but they have been left vulnerable to lone vigilantes, with God know's what agenda. It was fortunate for the Smiths, that the self appointed Witchfinder General was so inept with his research that he was persecuting the wrong family - but perhaps not quite so fortunate for them.
The truth is, none of us know what is going on. We may have access to masses of McCann material online, but we know naff all about Operation Grange, and they ain't gonna tell us! An armchair detective is not going to 'solve' this mystery, there will be no knighthoods, accolades or trips on the Orient Express.
The reason I do not present facts or theories and final solutions, is because I don't know! I find it somewhat ridiculous that people get all het up about' their theories' and fall out over last photos and shutters as if it the outcome of the case depended on it.
I am here several years later because of the endless twists, turns and revelations. I won't lie, I find it gripping, but the only thing I can say with any certainty, is the parents of Madeleine are involved in her disappearance and there has been a cover up. I believe I now know why, and that is discussed on other pages of this blog.
However, for me there is a line I will not cross. I don't want to meddle or interfere in what the investigation is doing. Although I am a rebel, lol, I lean towards law and order and believe there are a lot of good guys, like Goncalo Amaral, in the police who will be looking for justice for the victim. My own quest, as it were, was to understand the REASONS for the cover up and to study two of this centuries' most fascinating and infamous characters display behavioural patterns that will no doubt form the basis of psychological textbooks for years to come. For those who study human nature, Gerry and Kate are the gift that keeps on giving.
The tragedy of course lies in the loss of a child's life, but the investigation, judgement and retribution are, thankfully, out of my hands, for that I must put my faith in the professionals in the hope that the monstrosities we have seen of late, are the exception rather than the rule.
Ps. Quote from Plebgate (mouthpiece for TB on CMoMM) on Katie Hopkins:
'Twitter is not the platform for uncensored private opinions'.
Yes it is!!!!!! Gawd 'elp us all with people like defending our Freedom of Speech!
I think the reason for it being a National Security issue is the same reason the Government will wheel that out like Blair did when locking up Operation Ore and Gulf War 2. That is, they are hiding Westminster peadophile activity.
ReplyDeleteWhy else would so many Government agencies were there in P da L the next morning? That bellows that (at least) one of their very own House members was involved in 5A, hence two people zooming away in two private jets that morning.
I know who my money is on and we know the likely suspects, those who left a day early from their holidays, for instance.
That's the "why".
Yes I certainly agree.
Delete@ 23:23 one of the earliest Sky reports stated that 2 people attached to the McCann group of friends staid at a nearby camping ground.
DeleteThat always struck me as odd then/and now - who were these people - the poor relations who could not afford the relative comfort of the OC appts.?
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Thankyou very much Christobell for your reply. Even though I was kind of scared of letting everyone know about what's going on because Tony and his inner circle frighten me a bit, I'm still happy I did put it out because it's important that other people know what's going on the forum and wanted to give you support from the nasty comments they've said about you. I know nothing about legal things and have no idea how these things work but I trust people like yourself on what to do next.
ReplyDeleteAlso If anybody out there knows Scarletlaw or if she reads this herself, I want you to know that not all of us who joined the forum are like Tony and his inner circle and want you to know we're supporting what you're doing in helping to find out what happened to Madeleine. Thankyou very much for your posts and brave people like you and Cristobell are my inspiration.x
What cannot be over emphasised and repeated enough is that Tony Bennett cannot comment on the mystery of Madeleine without the express permission of the McCanns.
ReplyDeleteThis is a legally binding contract between him, the McCanns and the High Court.
So imagine if Cristobel or Sonia discovered something accidently or otherwise directly detrimental to the Macs they could write about it, discuss it and expose it.
TB cannot, he would have to abide by what the McCanns wanted.
The TB campaign of hate and disinformation is the result.
The Smith fiasco is just one small part of the Bennett campaign of lies, there are many many more.
Remember he told anyone who would listen it was a libel trial, was he lying, insane,misguided, or just plain devious?
Absolutely spot on Cristobell. Forumiters have only ever had very limited information. We do not know or even imagine what really happened or what has been going on behind the scenes for 7 years. From the apparent cover-up I can only surmise that it is something very sensitive and serious. Granted there are many disinformation agents amongst the forums but as we have such limited information it is difficult even to decipher their true intent.
ReplyDeleteGlad to see you back posting - I read your blog and was worried about you. Don't let them get to you ;)
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I've been away and on catch up but it's bloody obvious that something is going on over there by picking on people who support the Smith sighting. Once or twice maybe they might fall out and argue about something but with Scarlett law now being picked on after putting what she thinks across, I know I don't need much more evidence. I 've always refused to take sides and like everyone's forum because I like all sides but I won't be going back to the forum now because I don't trust them anymore. It's sad because they're been a big part of my life for many years now and i'll miss some of the people there but enough has happened now to make me question some of the members motives for ousting people out. I've seen other people pushed out over the years, some I really liked, and frankly I don't want to be a part of that anymore. So I won't be returning and that's two members you've lost now.
ReplyDeleteI wish I saw Scarlettlaw's post, if anyone has it can you post it for me on here because I'd really like to see it. Thankyou in advance.
I would like to see it too.
DeleteNot sure but a Scarletlaws has joined Candyfloss's forum last week.Hope she is one and the same, although no posts as yet.
DeleteI really want to see it too. Come on moderators post it for us if you have it stashed somewhere. lol
DeleteStrange as it may seem the Telegraph is running a story on Madeleine McCann today which mentions the Smiths and shows the photo fit, also mentions the dogs etc.
ReplyDeleteI always had a feeling that Scarletlaw had connections to the press because she indicated a few times at things that showed she knew how the media works. Maybe she's showing them evidence and they're now tip-toeing and testing the water on what they can print and hopefully, preparing for something bigger later on. She was quite open about gathering evidence for some reason and maybe someone in the press hired her to go over the facts for legal reasons. I read that kate and gerry have injunctions on the press, so they have to be sure I guess before they print.
DeleteThis article was from January.
DeleteMakes sense to me also. When I was last there in December she had quite a few fights with Clarence's supporters and I felt there was something personal between them all and that this friction had be going on for a while. I'm sure she said once that she was used to fighting with Clarence and it's obvious now if she had reporter connections. These people all know each other in real life. You could tell that they wanted to push her out anyway. Looking back it is strange that these people having a go at her weren't kicked off or picked up by the moderator for causing a disruption?
DeleteAnother question for Tony.
I agree that we shouldn't do anything until Scotland Yard concludes their investigations because only then we will know all the facts on what they're doing. I still swing between thinking they're helping us, to they're going to do a whitewash. I do hope it's still the first because they've dumped Jane's Creche man theory down the drain. So at least they're looking at Smith man as a likely suspect.
ReplyDeleteLast night I looked at Pat Browns site and on one of her articles about Smith man she did comment to someone underneath that Gerry had some time unaccounted for when he was searching, meaning he could've been the person seen.
I will be looking into area more now I know both these investigators thinks they're might be something within that time.
Come on then TB. You have done Shrimpton (whom you shared an office with) and Birch (whom conveniently sends you emails that no one ever sees)(sorry, almost forgot, phonecalls too) to a boring end. Tell us about Edward Harle, Also explain how you knew the Naomi Corlett was a secret service boat.
ReplyDeleteModerators sometimes turn a blind eye because they also have an agenda!
ReplyDeleteI haven't got a clue on what Scotland Yard has as evidence but whatever it is it won't be used for the McCanns getting arrested. Redwood has already said the parents aren't involved and I can't see him changing that.
ReplyDeleteRedwood ain't there any more. It's Prison Boundary in charge ... sorry, that'll be Nic Wall.
DeleteThink about it. From the outset, the police HAD to say that they weren't looking at the parents because if they said that they were, they would have been under extreme pressure to arrest and charge them within a short space of time.
But they need EVIDENCE to present to a jury in court and it doesn't appear as if there's a truck-load of physical evidence against the gruesome twosome. And they do need to eliminate just about anyone who was present at that time in PDL so they can then say, Right, we've eliminated just about every (ridiculous) suspect, NOW we are going to look at the McCanns and their friends.
Seems strange that Tigger, who a few days ago posted on Candyfloss's forum was no longer posting apart from references etc.She is firing on all cylinders today obviously not that busy then. Must be her Ego. How sad.
ReplyDeleteFor the first time in his life PeterMac makes sense.
ReplyDeleteMocking folks with mental health issues is inappropriate.
Quote 1) "The reason I do not present facts or theories and final solutions, is because I don't know!"
ReplyDeleteQuote 2) " the only thing I can say with any certainty, is the parents of Madeleine are involved in her disappearance and there has been a cover up"
Make your mind up.
Apologies to Petermac, I can see now that he wasn't 'joining in'.
ReplyDeleteTo clarify for 14:11. I know the McCanns are involved because they are lying, everytime they speak. They and their friends were the only ones with the means, motive and opportunity, in almost 8 years, no police force has found anyone else.
What I don't know are the finer details, and neither it seems do Scotland Yard or any of the countless detectives who have examined this case thus far, which of course, is why we are all here.
You seem to think that you are more clever than two police investigations:
Delete" the only thing I can say with any certainty, is the parents of Madeleine are involved in her disappearance and there has been a cover up"
So that's two women bullied this week then. If you're lucky someone new might join and you can make it a third.
ReplyDeleteWhat you don't know Cristobell is irrelevant.
ReplyDeleteTo implicate the McCann's is libel.
Wrong. People are just 'purporting theories.'
DeleteGerry has said that it's fine for people to do that.
@14.50 Just watch Evil Under the Sun. He gave the time of 10;03 on purpose because he left earlier. That isn't libel that's a fact.
DeleteYou are libelling the McCann's.
ReplyDeleteAnd you are talking absolute bollocks.
DeleteI don't believe nic ward is any different to redwood. I think this case is over has been for a long time and what we see or don't is simple a show like a play being played out so when its official closed they cant be accused of not doing anything. They will say hey look what we did do..
ReplyDelete" the only thing I can say with any certainty, is the parents of Madeleine are involved in her disappearance and there has been a cover up"
ReplyDeletelibel straight from the bennett school of libel.
Why is it libel? The parents claim they left her alone, and as a result of that she disappeared, they are therefore involved.
DeleteThey then suppressed e-fits, paid for by public donation, for five years. So yes, there has been a cover-up.
What part of any of that is "libel"? From the McCann School of Suppression, or otherwise?
If Cristobell is libeling the McCann's then so is most of the internet! Why single her out? I have to say, I do believe that SY knows that they are involved but have had instructions NOT to investigate them for obvious reasons, and instead find a scapegoat that lets them (the McCann's) off the hook.
ReplyDeleteAquila --again???? How many people people has she driven out now. Bloody ridiculous. She needs to check in her jealousy at the door before she logs in. Mb
ReplyDelete10:03 was the exact time of the sighting. Read GM's 2nd statement. That's his alibi time after passing the Smiths and he foolishly gave the time away.
ReplyDeleteI totally agree. I watched Evil under the Sun yesterday and I can see now how Gez did it . He told the time on purpose, then left earlier so he could scarper off to move her but was seen by Smith family. Libel that at me McCanns, I'd love to tell a court room and all the newspapers how he did it.
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