Saturday 14 November 2015

HIDING BEHIND ANONYMITY



Unfortunately, for Verdi, Aquila, Snook, Plebgate,  Bluebag, Aiyoyo, Tigger and the rest of the anonymous cesspit hardcore, they have no back stories.  Are they male/female, old, young, parents, grandparents?  Who are they? Why have they been discussing the minutiae of the Madeleine case for 8 years? 

One of the joys of the internet and chatting with strangers online is that it gives every single one of us the joy of being whoever we want to be.  We can invent alter egos from any socio economic or educational background we want, even if they are just better and more successful versions of ourselves.  We can figuratively stand on an orange box at Hyde Park Corner and tell the world where it is going wrong, without fear of anyone pointing and laughing, or worse, talking behind our backs, because in our imaginary worlds, we always win. 

I have no problem with people creating alter egos, in fact, I would encourage it.  The real world can be shit at times.  This is one of the rare occasions when depressive, struggling writers are at an advantage, we can wander off for a while with our fictional characters.  With the internet, anyone can be anyone and it would be wrong to say there is no fun side to it.  I used to belong to a forum where, on the rare occasion when hostilities ceased, we would hold a 'masked' ball and attend as any character we wanted, past or present - the results were hilarious.  The insults continued, but they were much more witty, nearer to the knuckle and absolutely hilarious.   When you are wearing a mask you can say anything you want.

Sadly, many use the mask of anonymity for anything but fun.  They use the mask to unleash their crueller, darker natures.  They believe that if they make someone else feel bad, they will somehow, magically, feel better.  They feed off the pain of others.  They cannot tell their boss she is a cunning, manipulative bitch, but they can use those words against a stranger online - and if they are part of a group of similarly minded malcontents, they will be applauded and encouraged to say it again. Birds of a feather flock together - like the vultures from Jungle Book. 

Unfortunately, among the 'antis' there are sinister characters desperate, to hide their identities, why? Are they ashamed of what they do?  Do they have ulterior motives? If they believe they are right, and they do, why not state their arguments using their real names?  They are not just writing the occasional letter to a newspaper or blog, they are part of a sustained 8 year campaign 'for justice'? If they believe that what they are doing is right, why are they ashamed of it?  I have no doubt whatsoever that the parents are involved, ergo my conscience is clear. 

During the time they have been holed up in the cesspit, dozens of facebook groups have opened with thousands of people openly criticizing the McCanns in their own names and surviving.  Fear of Team McCann is no longer a factor.  They don't want to be harassed.  That could be fair enough, if they were posting without harassing others.  But they are not.  They are selecting named targets and tearing them to shreds, all the while protecting themselves with anonymity. 

Whilst I respect that many people have genuine reasons for remaining anonymous when commenting on this case (it can seriously affect your life), I have no respect for those cowards who use anonymity to hurl abuse at others.  Does their thuggish behaviour cross over into the real world?  If it does then they are completely devoid of any social graces whatsoever - or in words they can understand: 'you couldn't take them anywhere'.  As 'bad' as my parents were (I thought they were great!),  They oozed charm and good manners, even when my mother told someone to fuck orf, she did it politely. 

I know acknowledging their weird behaviour sets my own band of stalkers off into a frenzy, but what the heck, all's quiet on the western front.  Strangely, I have seem to have gathered more obsessive anonymous stalkers than most.  I even have entire blogs devoted to me!  Scarily, I can only see what they write publicly, I shudder to think what they say in their members only bits. 

Happily, beyond thinking they are weird (and hoping SY are keeping a close eye), they bother me not.  They have actually given me another area of interest to study.  Adding to my 'expert' portfolio, lol, I now know everything there is to know about trolling and psychotic group behaviour.  I honestly don't care who these people are, other than natural curiosity. I only have control over the way in which I react to their behaviour, sometimes it bothers me, mostly it doesn't, but as far as I am concerned, the police have better things to do. 

I am intrigued as to what their goals are?  I try not to discourage unrealistic goals, but if they hope to have me 'removed from the net', they are going to have as much luck as Sisyphus.  I am not abusive.  I don't write anything libellous - I'm a wordsmith and a former legal secretary who spent over a year working in the pedantic, semantic 'kill me now' Reinsurance  Division.  It's the reason I am still here and others are not.  No letters from Carter Ruck.

Anonymity can be used for good or for bad.  Fortunately, most people use it for good.  And in this crazed brave, capitalist new world, simply commenting on, or liking a Facebook page can see your inbox and social network sites flooded with adverts designed specifically to your own individual lifestyle.  In my case, Fat, Fifty and funeral plans.  We, as much as the vast network we log into are commodities, our names being traded for undisclosed sums.  Life is now a numbers game. 

Rather than wear a tin foil hat forever more, I personally have decided to live with it because I refuse to live in fear.  And realistically, fear is the only other option.  I'm not going to type with sun glasses and gloves on or dress like Secret Squirrel to avoid the CCTV cameras when I go out to buy a loaf of bread - freedom for me means living as I choose, not the way someone else chooses for me.  I can think of nothing worse than living in fear of what other people think.  It is a tragedy that so many people allow that fear to crush their dreams. They give up, even though they don't have to.  I once attended a student awards ceremony, where one of the recipients was a 90 year old lady who received her BA(Hons) Degree - her's was the longest standing ovation of the evening! 

Many people reach the level that they have set for themselves and stay there.  Especially if it gives them the comfortable and contented lifestyle they want.  Sadly for them, to achieve one goal, they have had to abandon others.  For example, the wife and kids wouldn't be too impressed if hubby  wanted to wear a Princess ballgown and a tiara to the kids' school parents evening or mum wanted to go find herself in a Buddhist monastery in the Himalayas for 6 months.

For most of us, our lives and dreams are restricted by our responsibility to others.  And that is as it should be.  It makes us human and we wouldn't have it any other way.  We should care for each other.  But equally, we shouldn't supress our own dreams and desires.  I think the idea that once you have kids, you should shelve all your own hopes and ambitions is absurd.  Some unenlightened folk, usually young working class parents, believe their lives are over, everything must now be sacrificed for the kids.  Some are still in their teens and twenties! 

Whilst some might see sacrifice as noble, it actually builds up years and years of resentment, as in 'do you know how much I sacrificed for you'.  It is the constant chant of the needy middle aged who wonder why the kids never visit.  Being a mum is fun, being a single mum, though challenging, is also fun, I'm going to do a blog or book about it sometime.  Kids are adaptable little souls, up to the age of 14, they will happily go along with anything, they just love being with you.  Let's go see the new exhibit at the Tate is usually met with an okey dokey and a beaming smile especially if accompanied by bribery and corruption.  When they get better at the B&C than you, then its terrifying funfair rides forever more. They can always think of brilliant reasons for why it is a good idea to be propelled upside down through the air at a hundred miles an hour.  Kids will accept you have dreams, especially if you encourage them to have dreams too.

People who gave up on their dreams get an air of negativity about them, that makes them unpleasant company, laugh and the world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone, or if you are lucky you can find a forum of like minded folk where they are similarly weeping buckets, and stay there for the next decade.      

But I digress, the tone of forums such as CMoMM, Stop the Myths and JATKY2 is bitter and resentful.  Angry, that people like me with such appalling writing skills and such a degenerate, libertarian attitude to life, should get the audience that they crave.  They want recognition for all their painstaking hard work and strong (anonymous) moral fibre.  They want the on stage applause but they are scared to step out from behind the curtains.  This  anonymity somehow makes their commentary more credible and mine more likely to be shit because they don't seek fame for themselves.  How noble. Lol.  

People shouldn't listen to a drug addled wino like me, lol, they should listen to fine upstanding sober citizens (subjects) like them.  Why don't they? jeez, that is a mystery!  They fail to understand why not many MS journalists are cuing (sic) up to be locked in the town square stocks for the village eejits to throw rotten veg.  The inhabitants of the cesspit are in fact giving the McCanns far more protection than the police or even special forces could, they have driven all the sane people away. Most of the evidence for any potential defence will probably come from them. 

Part of the McCanns media strategy has been to keep the 'Hate' going.  Their trolls (anonymous supporters) have been goading the 'antis' for 8+ years.  Occasionally, they have got the much desired sensational pitchfork front pages they desired.  Who remembers the Facebook 'bang bang' incident? Who remembers the unattractive pictures of the leading members of the Madeleine Foundation?  In order for the McCanns to be victims, they have to have enemies.  They cannot justify their protection if they cannot prove they have been threatened, and as we saw in latest round of the libel action, they had no actual threats against themselves or their children to back up their damages claim.

I think one of the reasons, many choose to remain anonymous when commenting on this case, is because, and there is no getting away from it, it is a peculiar hobby.  We struggle to explain what it is about it that keeps us gripped.  For myself, I haven't watched Coronation Street or Eastenders for 8 years!  That is a lie, I have never been able to watch CS or E.  As I have said many times, I think it is because this case has all the main ingredients of a live, supercharged, soap opera, it is an escape from our own miserable lives.  While our minds are trying to figure out the pieces of the puzzle, we can switch off reality for a while. 

And there is nothing wrong with what we are doing.  Man (and woman) was made to think!  And we need to exercise our brains as much as we need to exercise our bodies.  Our survival depends on being able to distinguish between right and wrong.  If wrong gets the lead we go headlong into an apocalypse.  Most of know this instinctively, an injustice to one person is an injustice to everyone.

Most who criticise the injustice done to Madeleine are decent, regular people. The kind of people who would normally nod and say 'Oh well', but there is something about this case that sticks in their craw.  It could be the obvious class differences, the way in which Kate and Gerry have been treated in comparison to Karen Matthews for example  It could be the horror that a small vulnerable child could be made to disappear, no questions asked.  It could also be the realisation that our politicians and newspapers have actually been lying to us for years.  Who knows, it is probably all of these reasons and more, for most I suspect it is an objection to the appalling abuse of power that we have seen in this case. It is an affront to our sense of decency and fair play.

The British have a well deserved reputation for being one of the least barbaric countries in the world. They set the benchmark for democracy and justice. It is the reason so many refugees want to come here.  The British Bulldog will not tolerate racism or dictatorship or fascism.  It will fight them on the beaches and it will never surrender.  I once saw a documentary about horrifically injured pilots from WWII, despite their injuries, their amazing characters shone through.  One old boy, the treasurer because he had no legs, recalled his flights in a Spitfire defending the British coastline.  In a loud plummy voice, he repeated 'the cheek  of it, the dashed cheek of it'.  Most who are drawn to this case are just normal, decent people who, like Edmund Burke, are not willing to stand by and do nothing while evil succeeds. 

Sadly, some are here because they have a guttural desire to see the parents punished.  They are the ones with the obligatory missing teeth and knitting at the ready for their front row seats.  They get their jollies watching people suffer and they have existed since time began.  As much fun as it might be to lop off all their heads, it won't really solve the problem because the next generation of malcontents will be waiting in the wings to take over. 

Anonymous internet trolls are unpleasant, but they are the proverbial sticks and stones and they are a small price to pay for access to the wonders of the world wide web. Sadly, vile people are all part and parcel of life.  We encounter them everywhere.  But just as you can't 'ban' the bitch you share an office with, you can't 'ban' people from the internet. 

For me the priority is Freedom of Speech.  I am no friend of Bennett and his cronies, or Tigerloaf and his but I have no desire to silence them or what they say.  He is as entitled to his opinion as I am.  If I am offended I will challenge it, but most of the time I can't arsed. As far as I am concerned, karma can deal with the lot of them, they have to live with themselves.  Trolling is just one aspect of this case, but as time goes by sadly, it will become more important.  Not just to this case but to those who want the power to arrest perceived dissidents and seize their computers.  If the Brenda Leyland 'troll stunt' had succeeded, it would have severely restricted discussion of the McCann case online and it would have paved the way for new 'trolling' laws to police the lawless internet. Brenda knowingly, or unknowingly, completely scuppered their plans. 

The way in which people at the top of our society have used this case to bring in press restrictions that will hide crime under privacy laws drives many of us on.  They do not want to protect the innocent, they want to protect the guilty and they want to do this by silencing the opposition.  Sadly for them, if they try to silence me (or anyone) legally they will stir up the sleeping tiger that is the Freedom of Speech lobby.  As bad as the tories are, they have little appetite for the type of censorship the pros and some of the antis demand because they have nothing to gain from it and a barrel load of unnecessary problems.  It was ministers from the Brown labour government who supported Hacked Off's demands to curtail the freedom of the press.  The McCann case and rooting out and imprisoning renegade news hounds has gone hand in hand with demands for new privacy laws.  They are insulting our intelligence if they think we didn't notice. 
  
 

79 comments:

  1. The cesspit, really? Surely nest of vipers would be more apt.

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  2. I see TB is spouting his usual libel. Hopefully this is being noted by the appropriate authorities.

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    1. Let him spout whatever he wants, as far as I'm concerned we should all be allowed to say as we wish, expetives included. Anyone with a functioning brain cell can see the Mc's have him in their back pocket.
      Bennett's claim to fame; he had the Mc's lawyer admit in court the only evidence of Madeliene being abducted was from the parents themselves......well done Tony thats a new one on me....spare me.

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  3. Thought provoking blog Cristobell and very interesting. As usual the imbeciles that live under the bridge like to put their oar in every time you put a subject up for discussion, what's wrong with these people? They really are hypocrites accusing you of what they're guilty of themselves. Judging by the content of their ramblings they would find it difficult to run a blog, most of them can barely manage one line of text. You're good at what you do and they just can't stand it, there's no competition, and there never will be it's a case of sour grapes, but I think you already know that!!

    The McCann case IS gripping there's no doubt about that, the whole mystery I find intriguing. My partner insists that it will never be solved but he's a pessimist anyway so I just tend to ignore him whilst sat here doing my thing,lol.
    As an ex army man he just looks over the top of his glasses and says let me know when they're behind bars, knowing full well that it isn't going to happen because as far as he's concerned if the government want it covered up for whatever reason then it will be, It doesn't give much hope to those of us that want to see justice done does it.

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    1. Ah, tis true, they have neither the wit nor the vocabulary to respond, and I have to admit that amuses the mischievous Paddy in me!

      I smiled at your husband's reaction to all this 00:24. I am not actually allowed to talk about the McCann case at home. It tops our list of forbidden topics. For myself I have forbidden talk of Hobbits and the Hadron Collider, lol. Strangely, we are OK with politics and religion.

      Other than that, the rest of the list is the usual No spitting, No gouging, No ear twisting or punching below the belt - similar to most families preparing for the Christmas holidays, lol.

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    2. 'Neither the wit nor the vocabulary to respond'?
      Ha! That's rich coming from someone who can even spell cue. ( Hint, when using as a prompt there is no Q in it ).

      No Ros the reason we don't see responses is because you censor all but those dribbling over your fabulously ' honed craft '.

      You really have no self awareness. You don't insult? You don't enjoy insulting? You do nothing but and were proud to splash it all over The Sun how much you enjoyed 'squishing and getting a buzz'.

      Oh, anddon't flatter yourself that you have not received a letter from CR. I doubt they even know you exist and if they do, only read your crap for a giggle like the rest if us.

      Here's a tip if you want to any credibility. Stop posting only praise of you work and lay off writing so many anonymous of the same.
      Do you not see the irony? You condemn anyone posting anonymous then fill your comments with same. And while you're at it, take a peek at your back catalogue and the vile things you've said about others, including the Mccanns. Or has the visit from plod bought on this sudden turn about?

      Whilst writing I must ask, any sign of Poulton's ' masterpiece '? I bet Star Wars wasn't this long in the making and I certainly can't recall George Lucas spouting so many pathetic, contradictory excuses.

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    3. There you go 00:49, I have published your witty, verbose response - no doubt my readers will be blown away by your mastery of the English language. Are you an Oxford don?

      Many thanks for your helpful hints and tips, I especially like the 'want to any credibility', which I assume means if I want credibility (like you?), I need to publish all the abuse. Please do point me in the direction of your own more popular and credible blog, I clearly have a lot to learn.

      The lawyers at Carter Ruck have no case against me. I spent over 20 years working as a legal secretary and I'm not an attention seeking buffoon like Bennett. I actually hope they do have a giggle when they read here, I can't think of a more boring, soul destroying profession than the Law, gawd 'elp 'em.

      I am intrigued at this 'sudden turn about' that you put down to a visit from 'plod'. I've had no such visit, though the tea and (homemade) cake are always at the ready - I have plenty to say, as you can imagine.

      Regarding Sonia's documentary, whilst I note that your underpants are tightly scrunched and making their way up your alimentary canal, there is little I or Sonia can do. This is a criminal investigation, you need to respect that and perhaps find some alternate viewing for the meanwhile? The reference to Star Wars and George Lucus btw, was laboured and too contrived, ergo if it was intended to be funny, it wasn't.

      As for the squishing. You have no idea how much I have to restrain myself. Fortunately for you, I had a very wise dad who's words 'don't destroy someone just because you can' are indelibly imprinted on my heart. Those words will allow you to crawl away relatively unscathed, though not with your head held high.

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    4. "no doubt my readers will be blown away by your mastery of the English language. Are you an Oxford don?"

      You will of course be aware that Durham, St Andrews and Cambridge all rate higher in league tables than Oxford. Your attempt at a put down to the previous poster is therefore dismissed.

      "I'm a wordsmith"

      I have seen no evidence in your blog to back this claim up. Your writing is ok, GSCE to first year 6th form (AS) level at most, but please, you're no Jane Austen (FYI, she was a famous wordsmith). I'm being cruel -- interesting fact time -- you do have something in common with Austen, she had difficulty with spelling also. Your attempts at claiming you are a wordsmith, for the reasons mentioned, are also dismissed.

      "I spent over 20 years working as a legal secretary"

      How does working in a profession -- no matter the length of time in that profession -- that requires no formal education or background in law give you the necessary understanding to assert you understand libel or slander? Please don't think I'm putting your profession down, I'm not, I applaud you in fact. There is nothing more tedious than having to sort ones own paperwork out, or having to make ones own tea. Good secretaries are worth their weight in gold for all the little jobs that nobody else wants to do. They are akin to paperboys on cold winter days. Your attempts to elevate yourself above the previous poster, for reasons mentioned, are dismissed.

      I will leave you something from a writer called Oliver Herford, also known as "The American Oscar Wilde"

      "Modesty: the gentle art of enhancing your charm by pretending not to be aware of it."

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    5. Good morning James, many thanks for using your real name, though it says nothing of your credentials unless of course you are the Fifth President of the USA?

      My writing is 'ok', many thanks, somewhere between GCSE and AS - lol. I will take that as a compliment. For me, pompous critics of literature are right up there with the pompous critics of art, they believe in a elite culture that excludes the 'popular' in favour of the unreadable.
      Happily what you interpret as simplistic, is recognised by people in the literary world as natural talent, I make writing appear easy, so easy in fact that one dimwit in the cesspit referred to my unique writing style as
      simply typing, lol. (was it you?).

      As for my being a legal secretary, making tea, akin to a paperboy etc, how insulting to secretaries! It was actually a job that I hated, but as a single working mother with two kids to support, I did what I had to do. When my kids were old enough, I followed my own dreams and became a full time mature student, but no doubt you will find something in that to mock as well.

      I am of course hugely relieved to be nothing like Jane Austen. If you said Emily Bronte, you might have struck a chord, but with the simpering Jane, I wholeheartedly agree with Mark Twain 'every time I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone'.

      Given the poor comprehension skills of some of my readers, I'm afraid modesty would go right over their heads, ergo, I much prefer the REAL Oscar Wilde, 'I have nothing to declare except my genius' ;)

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  4. My head hurts from shaking it so much at my computer screen, in incredulity. The man referred to as TB is vile. I am talking evil. The threads devoted to the subject of narcissism (attributed to the McCann clan) on both pro and anti fora are plentiful, yet the narcissistic disorders appear to emanate from the prolific posters on said fora.

    The last photo saga is tiresome. Either way, do any of the diehard contributors believe in earnest that Scotland Yard or, indeed, any of the Portuguese authorities involved have not considered (perhaps examined/debated/researched/scrutinised) every damned photo? What makes their armchair detective work 'to the naked eye' so worthwhile? Then we have the godforsaken experts. I would truly be delighted to know exactly what equipment the experts used on the 'last photo' to deduce that it was/wasn't faked or photoshopped. I cannot recall their findings or assumptions due to the surrounding falderal of recent.

    I am further disgusted by the attacks on 'j.rob' and 'joyce1938' - you vile, vile people. That stupid girl (is her pseudonym aquila?) exudes an undeniable instability, volatility and repulsiveness; the likes of which I witness from 13 year old girls. This is, of course, my opinion, not knowing if she is a sock. Good god, the socks! Those cannot even be categorised as narcissism. The egosim and self-importance is priceless. It is richer than narcissism. Bloody funny all the same when they reply to themselves - *pat on the back for you* - *same to you my old son* - *don't mind if I do*.

    The police involved indeed. It breaks my heart firstly for the lovely people being accused of all sorts of bullshit. Secondly, get a bloody grip. Isn't it difficult enough financing our country's services without impotent and futile use of the police force for a 'he said/she said' claptrap episode ("the atrocity took place facing a monitor and typing on one of those god damned keyboards").

    Yet, it will continue.

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    1. Ha, ha, ha 01:42, great post! As my dear old Scottish dad would have said, they are away with the fairies!

      They cannot seem to comprehend that they are projecting their own vile characters onto others! For example, when they accuse Scotland Yard detectives of using their trips to Portugal to stay in 5* hotels and enjoying all the food and luxury the Algarve has to offer, they are imagining what THEY would do. That these officers are leaving their own families behind to search for the body of a tragic 3 year old, doesn't enter their heads.

      CMoMM have never been allowed to evolve, understandable, its run by a creationist ffs, that's why it is stuck in a time warp with the same threads it had 8 years ago. I once had a passing interest in the 'last photo', but like most, I realised it was one of the least interesting aspects of this fascinating case and I swiftly moved on.

      The sad fact is, nobody really cares who is right or who is wrong among the armchair detectives. It matters not a jot to anyone but themselves. I can't see any of them being called as expert witnesses and TB is not going to get his Perry Mason or 'I put it to you m'lud' moment before a Judge.

      I agree the back patting is hilarious - they have actually twinned with JATYKY2 for that! Seconded and thirded they shout back and forth with a few obligatory 'your words are mine' from Pedro, lol.

      I think what really bugs me is the fact that they don't even try. As a lover of language, their lacklustre attempts at prose offends me. Insulting people can be one of the most hilarious forms of creative writing and with a bit of imagination you can even do it without them noticing.

      I'm even thinking of starting up writing and English classes (for which I will charge :) ). I urge everyone to write in whatever genre they want. If you are able to express your inner thoughts, dreams, hopes and wild imaginings in the written word, you will never be lonely again.

      Writing is a great stress reliever. It is a genteel punchbag, a way in which to metaphorically chin your boss, win the X Factor, or write an acceptance speech for your future Oscar. More importantly it is a souvenir from history for your descendants.

      Most families, if they are lucky, have a recorder of history, a Grandma, or Pa, or an Uncle or Aunt, who pass all the stories down through the generations. Sadly, for most working class families, there is rarely a written record and as we feminists know, even rarer still, was HER story.

      I am still at the stage where I have to pinch myself everyday at our good fortune to have the wonders of the internet. Everyone of us can write a book - heck we can even publish it and sell it on Amazon ourselves at no cost! How amazing is that?

      We no longer have to be the silent majority. We have as much access to the world stage as the privileged elite, twitter especially is a great leveller. The McCann case, more than any other, has demonstrated that 'news' cannot be contained within borders.

      For most of those eejits, it is their inability to communicate that causes most if not all of their problems. Like frustrated toddlers knocking 7 bells out of each other, they do not have the language skills to express why they were perturbed that their pal pinched their toy train.

      They have no way in which to relieve their anger and frustration, so it must be someone's else's fault. The plea of the eternal whinger.

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  5. Textusa's being derided now, she may be right, on some levels maybe not, but for goodness sake she doesn't deserve being laughed at and sarcastically lambasted.

    Who the hell, do these jokers (rubbish investigators) think they are?

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  6. Oh the irony that your article 'Hiding behind anonymity' attracts erm....anonymous comments lol. Don't you ask your contributors for their real name, age, gender etc lol? And what about the members of your forum, aren't they anonymous too lol?

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    1. Anyone belonging to any forum either now or in the past will tell you why some prefer to remain anonymous. The truth is, once people join forums they tend to give information about themselves to their trusted cyber friends, only to have their personal life spread all over the net when they have cause to disagree. I've no wish to be part of their spiteful, childish antics and hopefully left all that behind in the school yard many years ago.
      Its much better to comment on here were you can participate, and cut down the hassle that goes with having different views to others.

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  7. As I have said before 06:40 - this is a blog, it is like the comments page of a national newspaper, it is not a members only group. There is no commitment here, people come and go as they please.

    The anonymous trolls in the cesspit have been posting with each other for years, yet they remain impersonal and completely detached from their real lives and the real world. They are not even 'friends' in the social sense - they are oblivious to each other, even after all this time. Most peculiar.

    The members of MMM by contrast, are living breathing human beings, they have ups, downs, good points and bad. You can't get more real than Andrew, and I hope he is allowed back soon. Look at the compassionate way in which the forum members responded to Candyfloss's recent tragic loss. Friendship thrives in MMM, in CMoMM, it doesn't exist. Therein lies the difference.

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    1. "Members connected during last 24 hours : AndyB, anny, Antonia, Bampots, canada12, catherinemac, Châtelaine, chilli, ciawoman, coppernob, costello, Cristobell, dantezebu, Dee Coy, dogs don't lie, Emily, espeland, fatfiona, Freedom, froggy, gbwales, Guinea Pig, Harry Wolf, Hellsbells, hesla, Honeyblade, jik kit, joyce1938, Louisa, Magnum, Mancmum, Me, Mearns, Mimi, Mo, nannygroves, noone, Nuala, PMR, Rebyette, Stewie, The Duchess, Walt, wjk, womandotcom"

      all genuine living human beings - no anonymity there then on MMM!

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    2. Looks like an average forum to me 16:12.

      You see it all depends on what people use the anonymity for. There is no campaign to smear or destroy the careers of people who do use their real names. MMM are not targeting witnesses in a high profile case, nor are they trolling or libelling anyone.

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  8. I hope that Andrew is "real" but I can't help wondering if it's all an act. I thought when he was on CMoMM that it could be like the situation where people send poison pen letters to themselves to rally support from others. "Look how brave so-and-so is to ignore threats from craven cowards".

    Then when he was on MMM, he could be used constantly by CMoMM as an insult - look at the type of people who are allowed to be members there.

    Perhaps I'm just being paranoid but I don't think that many people will blame me with all the deceit there is surrounding this case and not just from the McCanns themselves.

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    1. I totally agree with you Julia, I am a member of MMM (great forum and so friendly). I really liked Andrew and to to be honest I am gutted the fact he is no longer there. But something wasn't quite right, all his aggression focused on Mr Bennett, game set and plan. On the plus side it didn't work though so
      kudos to Candyfloss and Freedom.

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  9. Why are people on MMM posting photos of the Mccann twins for comment - what does that achieve?

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    1. The one person in particular is actually using three socks to put her views
      across if you follow all her posts.So obvious, and very sad.

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    2. Why don't you ask them 14:31?

      I simply avoid subjects that I am not comfortable with. Cowardly perhaps, but I accept that I have no control whatsoever over what people talk about, I am only responsible for my own behaviour.

      I fear the McCann twins are approaching an age where they will look themselves up online and we all need to be aware of that. It's why I despair when the parents use their names as part of their campaign and why I despair when the forums discuss them.

      Sadly, too many of the antis become fixated on single aspects of this case they think they can solve through science and technology and 'ifs' - even though they have no access to the original photographs. They do not seem to understand that pouring over the family pictures of strangers for hours, days, weeks etc on end is any way weird.

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  10. "ANONYMITY" - you need to go back to the days of Anorak and 3As - I was there and witnessed the outing attempts by bennett, stevo and others.

    If sweepyface had not made her real name publicly know - would she have been alive now?

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  11. "Hiding behind Anonymity "the title of your post. I am an occasional poster on cmomm.You may have issues with certain posters but it's very unfair of you to lump everyone as the same.Like you have said people are anonymous ,so you are making a generalised assumption about numerous people who you don't know.I have joined the forum like many to debate.Im not there to make friends or to verbally abuse people.

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  12. Fascinated to know how you "know" who uses sock accounts 15.19

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  13. BlueBag must lead a very lonely life. Posting 24/7 on a cesspit forum cannot be good for ones health. Surely there are better things to do with ones time?
    All it is doing by being so aggressive is to stop other members posting. Which if you think about it is not a bad thing!

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    1. Literally putting a sock in it!

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    2. When some of the more respected and prolific posters on that site believe a body was transported in that cheap nylon blue bag, calling oneself Blue bloody Bag in the first place is beyond sick and creepy.

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    3. I think of that poster as 'Bile Bag'. He's as misogynistic as Tony Bennett and I suspect, rather smells like TB's feet.

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    4. Bluebag works with and alongside Tony Bennett to 'shut up shop' on certain McTopics,

      McPayroll, quite obviously.

      Don't mention the Smiths or the Last Photo....

      I have done in the past and got banned, ridiculed, threatened, teased. All because of some codger who is as fake as they come. Silly old sod.

      Andrew.

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  14. A blog about folks wanting to remain anonymous and you complaining, how many of those commenting are 'anonymous'. Case closed!

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  15. Tony Bennett is a misogynistic, sly old bastard. Connected to the McCanns? Quite possibly when you remember how he released a mass of "anti" email addresses into the public domain. Getting Rich D Hall to ruin an otherwise credible documentary with his obscure view that the man the Smith family saw wasn't Gerry McCann was another defining moment. Running down other forums and trying to control how people express themselves is dictatorial and needlessly patrician to adults debating the case. Makes me want to swear just to piss the seedy old bugger right off.

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    1. What would you say if you weren't a fan of Tony?!

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  16. I hope Robert Murat sues the foul mouthed old misogynist Tonyfan, have you seen the latest post from him? It takes creepiness off the scale. He is accusing Robert of having a sadistic, violent and deviant sexual personality! FFS!

    What I said about Bennett doesn't even touch the top layer of vicious libel he is now aiming at RM. He is determined to make Madeleine's disappearance a sex crime committed by anyone other than the McCanns, and he has RM firmly in his sights.

    What the imbecile doesn't seem to understand, is that his entire sexually deviant post reflects his own sexual deviancy! It has come from his twisted mind, he doesn't know any of the people he is throwing these filthy accusations at, it all comes from his own disgusting imagination!

    I do hope Harlow and Kent police are watching and, as I say, I hope Robert Murat sues the creep.

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    2. Hi Not Textusa. I have to say Bennett and Verdi remind of Lord Longford and Mary Whitehouse, those paragons of virtue from the 1960's/70's who had always had front row seats at the strip shows and an unhealthy interest in pornography. Purely so they could tell the rest of us what we should or shouldn't watch, doncha know, lol. Bennett even looks like Longford!

      I find their obsession with 'deviant' sex quite amusing, if a little creepy, and wonder where they get all their peculiar ideas from. I just don't see Bennett passing the spliffs and the naked flesh at a 60's Love In. In fact I would go so far as saying that the sex, drugs and rock 'n roll probably passed him by.

      Bennett and Verdi confuse paedophilia and homosexuality because they don't understand it, and as we see daily, what they do not understand they fill in with their own freaky imaginations. Like bullies the world over, it is their own fear of being ostracised that drives them on, as in 'pick on the gays, not me'. In order for them to feel big, they must make others feel small. It would be sad if it were not so vindictive.

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    3. David Cameron also confused the two a few years ago on TV as I recall.

      Do you think that Mr B and Verdi are one and the same? Sometimes it seems blindingly obvious that they are, then at others not.

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    4. Hi - Of course they are. It's a tedious, tiresome and most the ridiculous thing going on. Not to mention the other socks he talks too. Just talks to himself. Have you ever seen so much nonsense. If it wasn't about a near 4 year old dead girl and he wasn't on the McPayroll then it would be quite amusing. It's not though and it's terrible. He's a pathetic little man.

      Regards, Andrew.

      P.S - Tony, Been a few weeks now. Can you PROVE i made these so called threats... NO i don't think so. Try again a bit harder next time old boy. Pathetic old sod.

      Andrew.

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    5. That isn't proof though, Andrew, of the duplicate identities. Mr B has adamantly denied the claims of other names.

      There was a mix-up a few weeks ago with posts from him, snook and the Rooster which definitely suggests those 3 are one and the same but the evidence for him and Verdi is less clear-cut.

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    6. Perhaps Irene would like to enlighten us as to this 'mix up' that almost certainly confirms 3 as 1 ?

      No ? Didn't think so. Such sad lives your commentators lead Cristobell. It seems , they like you have nothing better to do than analyse every word on cmomm .

      Watch them salivate when you are 'not libelling or insulting'.

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    7. Snook posted something, The Rooster replied calling him Tony and then Tony replied. It was around the middle of October.

      Okay, maybe not proof but a bit odd.

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    8. No doubt about it that Snook and TB are one and the same. Verdi as well. Rooster - No. It's interesting watching from the back seat. The way TB will pre-plan his posts,copy and paste, then send them simultaneously to try and avoid suspicion. He think's he's clever, but far from it. You only need socks to reinforce your argument if you have a set agenda. Sadly TB has a few of those and absolutely nothing to do with seeking truth and justice for poor little Madeleine. Really is sad.

      Regards, Andrew.

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    9. Willis, Hogwash. to name some more.. (and yes it really is a load of 'hogwash'. There's more than a few socks. Interesting when we all discussed the 'socks' on MMM a while ago and he tunes in with his threatening / libel accusations (how pathetic). Get it all removed and trying to get the forum shut down. (what a joke). Mind you, will give the loon some credit, He got me a ban from the place and made up a load of tosh (Any Police action yet Tony.. No I don't think so because it's a farce). All because I could see straight through him, and have done for a long time. All will come out in the wash though one day, Socks included and they certainly need one. (A wash - The place stinks)

      Regards, Andrew.

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  17. I'm just trying to get to grips with that post myself!

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  18. Nothing is what it seems. I doubt Andrew is a real person. From the first time TB claimed that he had been harrassed by phone, I didn't believe him. It's typical for TB, this modus operandi. He does it all the time, with his socks as well, on fora.
    So when Andrew admitted to it, long long ago, I smelled a rat.
    It's all an act. There is no Andrew. There's a Tony Bennett, with psychopatic ways.

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    1. Ha - im certainly not TB. Yes, admitted to ringing up in the past to stop him spouting absolute rubbish and lies about me. Never spoke to him though as he refuses to speak.

      Preferes to talk to his socks and yes, he does have psychopatic ways.

      Andrew

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  19. Someone else thought that the other day. Truly awful if it can be proved that "Andrew" does not exist.

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    1. I had my doubts about 'Andrew', too, I'm sorry to say.

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  20. I think Andrew is a real person, an emotional soul whose heart is in the right place, with (perhaps too much of) a liking for alcohol which makes him something of a loose cannon when not sober.

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    1. Who just happens to enable Tony Bennett to scream foul everytime playing the victim as well as playing the great prosecutor suits him. Nah.

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  21. I am the person who mentioned this at first. I don't feel so paranoid now to know that others have doubts too about Andrew.

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  22. I gotta say that Darren Warren Ware is one creepy mofo. IMO!

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  23. Some snippets of Bennett's snidey ways - ( from his own fair hand ) should be published to show just what he gets up to behind the scenes - just don't know where's best to post it all ?

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    1. You are welcome to publish them here 12:30. The way in which Bennett is showing total disregard for libel and criminal law with his abusive posts should be highlighted. What he is saying about Robert Murat is a zillion times more offensive and liable to criminal prosecution than what I said about him!

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    2. Perceived weak targets are often ripped to shreds by quasi Christians.

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  24. So the cesspit are now saying Madeleine's death was the result of an organised sexual event. Jeez, that lot must spend all their time on weirdo porn sites, everything for them is below the waist.

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    1. As far as I can see, the links are all adults only material? It is difficult though to stay awake when trying to read one of Tony's posts.

      I am not convinced that the visual artist Jorge Rocha is the same man who ran a restaurant in 2007. Rocha is a very common name in Portugal. There is no mention of it in this extract from his website.

      Between 2005 and 2008 he was producer at Lagos Cultural Centre in Portugal, producing among other exhibitions: Zoologia dos Trópicos: obras de Nelson Leirner e Jorge Dias; LACCOBRIGA: the Roman settlement around the Lagos Bay; Local Worlds: spaces visibilities and transcultural flows, under Allgarve08.

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    2. Kudos to you for sticking with it Irene, I couldn't, lol. No surprise all Bennett's links are to adult only material, I think 'adult only' stuff makes up a lot of Bennett's research. Should his computer ever be seized, he has all the excuses at the ready.

      I couldn't read his attack on these artists tbh, I constantly seek enlightenment and I can only tolerate ignorance in very small doses - Bennett does ignorance on an industrial scale. He has no understanding of art and culture whatsoever - fortunately it matters not, the people he attacks are usually far too successful to give two hoots.

      The work of Jorge Rocha sounds fascinating, what shame Bennett and his ilk can only see 'gay'.

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    4. Thanks for confirming that there is nothing illegal on these sites.

      As I thought, they are unlikely to have the slightest relevance to this case.

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    6. Gerry McCann has always pinged my gaydar.

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  25. Has anyone else noticed TB never chooses balding avatars? He had DCI Nicola Wall's long blonde locks for quite a while and now he is luxuriating behind Wojchiech Krokowski's thick man-bob.

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  26. Andrew was very real. I just got caught up in the underhand games that goes on. I retaliated as I can't stand the man and was sick of his awful bullying behaviour, his general nonsense and outright lies.

    Although didn't leave the so called Death Threats. Innocent until proven guilty maybe.

    All a load of nonsense and you can see more of the games and his agenda when you step back from it all.

    Andrew

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    1. Andrew I might have been wrong on this one. Thought the man made it all up.

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    2. If anyone has got half a brain cell (no disrespect - to all), but surely you can see what goes on with him. Smiths, last photo, Murat.. etc. Anything to distort, misinform and try and gauge an opinion (try again, and again) and give the Mc's a chance. Always for the Mc's hey Tony. Pathetic old sod.

      Andrew.

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  28. At it again I see? Welcoming people to join you in posting ' not abuse ' about other people. You coward. Must be nice to sit and attack moderating responses do no one can answer back.

    What a beacon of free speech you are, twisting and spreading vile accusations which could only spring from a sick, feeble mind like yours.

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  29. Your anger is palpable 18:39, scarily so, and I am thinking of you here. Unless you are personally involved, your rage is illogical. Anger managements perhaps?

    I'm no coward 18:39, you are the one hiding your identity. I am happy to publish criticism, indeed I welcome it, it gives me an opportunity to reply and state my case.

    If you want me to address the issues that trouble you, just state them politely, it is not difficult! If you simply want to call me a bitch in a hundred different ways, go to the cesspit or JATKY2 where you will find like minded people.

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    1. You publish criticism ? I notice a few now seeing the light of day but that is a rare event.

      If you welcome criticism how come you have yet to respond to my comment? Could it be because you don't consider anything written by you should not be taken as attack as you are a 'wordsmith' with an outstanding talent? Don't forget modesty.

      If you cannot see how offensive this little gem from you is then you need to seek psychiatric help immediately.

      ''What the imbecile doesn't seem to understand, is that his entire sexually deviant post reflects his own sexual deviancy! It has come from his twisted mind, he doesn't know any of the people he is throwing these filthy accusations at, it all comes from his own disgusting imagination!''

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    2. Unless Mr. Bennett has a front row seat in any of these men's bedrooms, or indeed a long lens camera, then everything he is accusing them of must come from his own imagination. Where else could it come from?

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  30. very Great post.. thanks for sharing bro.. keep up the very good work.
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  31. I see 'Smithman Part 763' has been resurrected. Just to copy over posts from one forum so he can try and answer them on his forum. Reminds me of that time ages ago when he tried to join a 'Smithman' discussion on some facebook group.They all told him to piss off, so again he copied over all posts and replied individually with a load of panic-stricken blue ink on his forum. Pathetic.

    Regards, Andrew.

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    1. Hi Andrew, strange eh, it's almost as if Bennett's life depends on proving Smithman is not Gerry McCann, I wonder why? It's not as if Bennett's 'research' will form any part of the Operation Grange investigation or conclusion. I doubt even the McCanns Defence team would give it a second glance, especially as he was stalking the wrong Mr. Smith for the first year. The fact that Mr. Bennett also believes 100% in Adam, Eve, the Seven Dwarves and the Rapture doesn't help his cause either.

      The only people he seems to have his convinced with his crackpot Smithman theory are various versions of himself with different avatars - he's fooling no-one. It would be sad if he were not such a malicious man intent on meddling and derailing high profile criminal cases.

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